6 meals a day, insulin stability, speeds up metabolism(myths

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  • FrenchMob
    FrenchMob Posts: 1,167 Member
    6 meals a day myth, foxnews...
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,543801,00.html

    Courtney post, on metabolic shut down... she speaks from "EXPERIENCE"
    http://1gastricbypasssurgery.com/lap-bandgastric-bypass-surgery-how-do-they-avoid-starvation-mode/

    You're like a politician. You find info that makes YOUR theories real, whether they are true or not. Just like ANY statistic can be made to look favorable to your position.

    You keep saying people need to think for themselves, yet you keep posting YOUR theories as gospel. Give it up already.

    Starvation mode is NOT a myth, just the name is misleading, and it doesn't happen overnight. Over time, the metabolism adjusts to this new limited intake of calories, and once it does, you plateau until you do something to stimulate it, like eat more and/or exercise more, etc etc. You're not starving, it's just an adjustment.

    And yes frequent meals stabilizes blood sugars and energy levels. Yes it still goes up and down, but the highs are lower and the lows are not as low. You eat a big 3000 cal meal, your sugars will go high...REAL high and for longer. Then if you don't eat for 5-6 hours, the lows will go to fasting levels.

    Frequent meals graph:
    ______
    ______
    ______
    ______

    3 bigger meals graph:


    ___________ _____________

    Get it?
  • FrenchMob
    FrenchMob Posts: 1,167 Member
    ...and just because some girl did a halfazzz test with a meter in your other thread, it doesn't prove anything worth a crap.

    Oh, and I was type 2 diabetic so I know a thing or 2 about blood levels.
  • wolsamnoraa
    wolsamnoraa Posts: 10
    Yessss!!!! Boom!
  • Barneystinson
    Barneystinson Posts: 1,357 Member
    ...and just because some girl did a halfazzz test with a meter in your other thread, it doesn't prove anything worth a crap.

    Oh, and I was type 2 diabetic so I know a thing or 2 about blood levels.

    Oh you mean me?

    The 3 meals a day idiot?
  • Barneystinson
    Barneystinson Posts: 1,357 Member
    Maybe you should all re-read my post stating that it really comes down to personal preference and that there is no MAGIC answer of re-feeding times for a person with normal blood sugar levels.

    Oh, but wait, I'm just a dumbazz girl with a blood sugar monitor who eats 3 meals a day within her caloric recommendations.

    Well, excuuuuuuuse me.
  • registers
    registers Posts: 782 Member
    Yessss!!!! Boom!

    EXACTLY BOOOOOOOOOOOOM! Here are medical journals that says fasting is a way to reduce body weight, the weight watcher link says there is no evidence that exist that starvation mode exist...

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15741046
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11416824
    http://www.weightwatchers.com/util/art/index_art.aspx?tabnum=1&art_id=35501
    Yessss!!!! Boom!
  • registers
    registers Posts: 782 Member
    ANyone with a bit of knowledge knows that eating increases insulin level. Insulin also stores fat. SO do i want high insulin levels, or low????? i'd perfer low, thank you.
  • PokenStick
    PokenStick Posts: 204
    Why is everyone over thinking things and being aggressive?

    Most people on these forums aren't body builders and really don't need to worry about insulin levels. It's not a big deal. If you're fat, eat less and exercise more. If you're not fat, have a dance party.


    As for starvation mode, this forum has always been anti fasting and extreme calorie cutting. Because I think this site is trying to promote a healthy and ENDURING life style. Will you go into starvation mode if you only eat 1,000 calories a day and stop losing weight? No...that's not enough of a calorie cut to do anything. Will you have the energy to work out and get your body in shape so you're not just bones and skin? No.

    So really, you should eat enough calories not to avoid starvation mode, but so that you can push your physical activity as hard as you can and get your body in good physical shape. Don't be a fat skinny person.

    Stop over thinking things. Find what works for you and stop being so mean. :)
  • hsk11270
    hsk11270 Posts: 48
    Why is everyone over thinking things and being aggressive?

    Most people on these forums aren't body builders and really don't need to worry about insulin levels. It's not a big deal. If you're fat, eat less and exercise more. If you're not fat, have a dance party.


    As for starvation mode, this forum has always been anti fasting and extreme calorie cutting. Because I think this site is trying to promote a healthy and ENDURING life style. Will you go into starvation mode if you only eat 1,000 calories a day and stop losing weight? No...that's not enough of a calorie cut to do anything. Will you have the energy to work out and get your body in shape so you're not just bones and skin? No.


    So really, you should eat enough calories not to avoid starvation mode, but so that you can push your physical activity as hard as you can and get your body in good physical shape. Don't be a fat skinny person.

    Stop over thinking things. Find what works for you and stop being so mean. :)




    I totally agree ;)
  • FL_Nettie
    FL_Nettie Posts: 265 Member
    I agree with Knanns and hsk11270; read the post, do the research for yourself, talk to your doctor and decide for yourself what works for you.

    asmcriminal - maybe the reason people get so upset with your posts is in the way you present your information. Instead of telling everyone what they're doing wrong and that we should all be doing it your way, post your information and say, "Hey, here's what I found out. Check it out and see what you think!".
  • registers
    registers Posts: 782 Member
    Netite thanks for the tip.
  • registers
    registers Posts: 782 Member
    I'm still blown away that you can eat 3000 calories in one sitting, as you said in the other starvation mode thread. What did you eat? Deep fried jellybean casserole?

    I answered you in the other forum. but here it is again....

    I call it my main meal, it's within 2hrs...
    muscle milk protien shake 2 scoops 280 calories
    tortilla 120 calories
    Hot dog 180 calories
    A small bag of peanuts 290
    Burrito 975
    chips ahoy 6 cookies 320
    Peanut butter cup 300
    A smoothie(pineapple, mixed fruit apple juice) 160
    1lbs of cod 368
  • registers
    registers Posts: 782 Member
    I'm still blown away that you can eat 3000 calories in one sitting, as you said in the other starvation mode thread. What did you eat? Deep fried jellybean casserole?
  • Barneystinson
    Barneystinson Posts: 1,357 Member
    I'm still blown away that you can eat 3000 calories in one sitting, as you said in the other starvation mode thread. What did you eat? Deep fried jellybean casserole?

    I answered you in the other forum. but here it is again....

    I call it my main meal, it's within 2hrs...
    muscle milk protien shake 2 scoops 280 calories
    tortilla 120 calories
    Hot dog 180 calories
    A small bag of peanuts 290
    Burrito 975
    chips ahoy 6 cookies 320
    Peanut butter cup 300
    A smoothie(pineapple, mixed fruit apple juice) 160
    1lbs of cod 368

    Are you following LeanGains?
  • Forensic
    Forensic Posts: 468 Member
    I believe that eating more often does stabilize your blood sugar. Here's why.

    Eat a big meal, your blood sugar skyrockets. Wait many hours and it then plummets. Eat another big meal and it shoots way up again.

    Now, smaller, more sugar conscious meals, and your blood sugar goes up, but not as far, and goes down, but not as deep of a dive. It's more stable than diving up and down like a rollercoaster.

    Besides, there's no way to eat without your sugars going up and down, that's what the body does.
  • leighton1245
    leighton1245 Posts: 125
    I'm still blown away that you can eat 3000 calories in one sitting, as you said in the other starvation mode thread. What did you eat? Deep fried jellybean casserole?

    I answered you in the other forum. but here it is again....

    I call it my main meal, it's within 2hrs...
    muscle milk protien shake 2 scoops 280 calories
    tortilla 120 calories
    Hot dog 180 calories
    A small bag of peanuts 290
    Burrito 975
    chips ahoy 6 cookies 320
    Peanut butter cup 300
    A smoothie(pineapple, mixed fruit apple juice) 160
    1lbs of cod 368

    There is a reason why you look like you do see quoted above lol I really hope you do everyone on here a favor and stop posting bad and dangerous inforamtion.
  • registers
    registers Posts: 782 Member
    I believe the studies were posted in response to your original starvation mode thread. And for the record: people aren't getting "upset" because you're shattering our worldview with your revolutionary ideas. People are getting upset because you're essentially saying to go ahead and eat minimal calories. Because it's fine -- according to you -- since starvation mode is a myth.

    Okay I do understand what you're saying. If people believe I said that, that's not correct. What i meant by that is, the process of you eating a reduce caloric diet, doesn't cause you to put on body fat, or prevent you from losing body fat. Low caloric diets, should be under medical supervision. Forums aren't a place to get information. I don't advise doing what I have said. It can be very dangerous if done incorrectly. You do need to talk to a a certified person if you have any questions on this matter. In person, not online.


    Lastly, I'll note that I've been reading books on space and quantum theory since I was in my early teens. I would, however, never qualify that as decades of education in the field.

    Many people have different views and opinions on subjects, that doesn't meant their theories are correct, even if they are certified. It's people that people who are uncertified know more information than a person who is certified. The bottom line is take what you come across with a grain of salt. Use your gathered knowledge to make your own decisions, don't let anyone make decisions for you. Only YOU know your body more than anyone else.
  • registers
    registers Posts: 782 Member
    I'm still blown away that you can eat 3000 calories in one sitting, as you said in the other starvation mode thread. What did you eat? Deep fried jellybean casserole?

    I answered you in the other forum. but here it is again....

    I call it my main meal, it's within 2hrs...
    muscle milk protien shake 2 scoops 280 calories
    tortilla 120 calories
    Hot dog 180 calories
    A small bag of peanuts 290
    Burrito 975
    chips ahoy 6 cookies 320
    Peanut butter cup 300
    A smoothie(pineapple, mixed fruit apple juice) 160
    1lbs of cod 368

    There is a reason why you look like you do see quoted above lol I really hope you do everyone on here a favor and stop posting bad and dangerous inforamtion.

    I have lost over 100lbs, and since i started this method i lost 15lbs in 2 weeks, can you say the same? thank you...
  • registers
    registers Posts: 782 Member
    I'm still blown away that you can eat 3000 calories in one sitting, as you said in the other starvation mode thread. What did you eat? Deep fried jellybean casserole?

    I answered you in the other forum. but here it is again....

    I call it my main meal, it's within 2hrs...
    muscle milk protien shake 2 scoops 280 calories
    tortilla 120 calories
    Hot dog 180 calories
    A small bag of peanuts 290
    Burrito 975
    chips ahoy 6 cookies 320
    Peanut butter cup 300
    A smoothie(pineapple, mixed fruit apple juice) 160
    1lbs of cod 368

    Are you following LeanGains?

    I am not familiar with lean gains, so that's a no, but i'll look in to it. And see what it is.
  • Barneystinson
    Barneystinson Posts: 1,357 Member
    I believe that eating more often does stabilize your blood sugar. Here's why.

    Eat a big meal, your blood sugar skyrockets. Wait many hours and it then plummets. Eat another big meal and it shoots way up again.

    Now, smaller, more sugar conscious meals, and your blood sugar goes up, but not as far, and goes down, but not as deep of a dive. It's more stable than diving up and down like a rollercoaster.

    Besides, there's no way to eat without your sugars going up and down, that's what the body does.

    It rises, point is, regardless of how often you eat you shouldn't be skyrocketing your blood sugar at meals. And maybe I should have rephrased my above (somewhat defensive) post to this:

    If you're eating meals that are calorically dense, but very lower in carbohydrate, fewer times daily, your BG levels will stay pretty consistent. Personally, I find meals higher in fat and protein to be of high satiety, so naturally, I'm not hungry as often.

    If you're eating large portions of carbohydrate fewer times daily, your BG levels will spike considerably more than if you eat smaller portions of the carbohydrates spaced more frequently throughout the day. If you are eating smaller meals spaced at a higher interval throughout the day, you're generally also eating with your body's more frequent hunger pattern.

    Regardless of the interval, the quality and composition of what you eat in a given day should not be continuously spiking your blood sugar to abnormal levels. If you're maintaining a healthy, average blood sugar, you're doing it right. Be it 3 meals daily, or 7.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    I believe that eating more often does stabilize your blood sugar. Here's why.

    Eat a big meal, your blood sugar skyrockets. Wait many hours and it then plummets. Eat another big meal and it shoots way up again.

    Now, smaller, more sugar conscious meals, and your blood sugar goes up, but not as far, and goes down, but not as deep of a dive. It's more stable than diving up and down like a rollercoaster.

    Besides, there's no way to eat without your sugars going up and down, that's what the body does.

    Your blood sugar doesn't necessarily skyrocket after a big meal. It depends on what the meal contained.
  • leighton1245
    leighton1245 Posts: 125
    I'm still blown away that you can eat 3000 calories in one sitting, as you said in the other starvation mode thread. What did you eat? Deep fried jellybean casserole?

    I answered you in the other forum. but here it is again....

    I call it my main meal, it's within 2hrs...
    muscle milk protien shake 2 scoops 280 calories
    tortilla 120 calories
    Hot dog 180 calories
    A small bag of peanuts 290
    Burrito 975
    chips ahoy 6 cookies 320
    Peanut butter cup 300
    A smoothie(pineapple, mixed fruit apple juice) 160
    1lbs of cod 368

    There is a reason why you look like you do see quoted above lol I really hope you do everyone on here a favor and stop posting bad and dangerous inforamtion.

    I have lost over 100lbs, and since i started this method i lost 15lbs in 2 weeks, can you say the same? thank you...

    Actually I cant say the same because i would never let myself get that sloppy and its impossible to loss 15lbs in a 2week s unless you are morbly obese or had surgery, but on the other hand i can see how you would get there look at your lack of diet just to list some that you quoted

    tortilla 120 calories
    Hot dog 180 calories <---- little kids and FAT people eat these pure garbage
    Burrito 975
    chips ahoy 6 cookies 320 <---<---- little kids and FAT people eat these pure garbage
    Peanut butter cup 300<---- little kids and FAT people eat these pure garbage

    lol nothing really left to say here, now you could of had a fighting chance if you happen to be just some what in shape or be close to having 9.5% BF like I currently do. Please im trying to be nice and forevery ones sake stop posting
  • Barneystinson
    Barneystinson Posts: 1,357 Member
    I'm still blown away that you can eat 3000 calories in one sitting, as you said in the other starvation mode thread. What did you eat? Deep fried jellybean casserole?

    I answered you in the other forum. but here it is again....

    I call it my main meal, it's within 2hrs...
    muscle milk protien shake 2 scoops 280 calories
    tortilla 120 calories
    Hot dog 180 calories
    A small bag of peanuts 290
    Burrito 975
    chips ahoy 6 cookies 320
    Peanut butter cup 300
    A smoothie(pineapple, mixed fruit apple juice) 160
    1lbs of cod 368

    Are you following LeanGains?

    I am not familiar with lean gains, so that's a no, but i'll look in to it. And see what it is.

    It's boosting strength gains through intermittent fasting. There are a couple IF threads here on the boards that may be a better home for related topics.

    Along with LeanGains, there's Robb Wolf, Lyle McDonald, Brad Pilon - all proponents of intermittent fasting and eating for strength.
  • registers
    registers Posts: 782 Member
    I'm still blown away that you can eat 3000 calories in one sitting, as you said in the other starvation mode thread. What did you eat? Deep fried jellybean casserole?

    I answered you in the other forum. but here it is again....

    I call it my main meal, it's within 2hrs...
    muscle milk protien shake 2 scoops 280 calories
    tortilla 120 calories
    Hot dog 180 calories
    A small bag of peanuts 290
    Burrito 975
    chips ahoy 6 cookies 320
    Peanut butter cup 300
    A smoothie(pineapple, mixed fruit apple juice) 160
    1lbs of cod 368

    Are you following LeanGains?

    Okay i checked, NO i am not following leanGains. Before anyone goes wacko with what I am about to say, I am going to say this. What I am about to say, isn't for beginners in nutrition, these are very advanced body building methods. If you have less then 3yrs experience in the field, don't even consider them. If you do have 3yrs or more experience, consult a certified medical doctor or a higher authority in the field of medicine/nutrition.

    Okay, What I am currently doing, is a form of IT (intermittent fasting) It's a hybrid of the top bodybuilding diets I am aware of....
    The warrior diet, and the CKD (Cycled ketosis diet). In a intermittent diet form.

    I already wrote that, not eating will trigger an increase of GH and adrenaline in the body. This is the flight of fight mechanism, in lamen terms it's a form of stress to the body which produces the flight or fight mechanism. GH is a very powerful anti catabolic hormone and fat burning hormone. Anti catabolic means, it preserves muscle tissue. A constant feeding of calories doesn't have this benefit, which will cause a loss of muscle mass when you're reducing your caloric intake. GH preserves muscle tissue. When you don't eat, the energy source is carbs first, then when the stores run out, it turns in to a fat burning metabolism. So I am hungry most of the day, with high GH levels, at the end of the day, I eat my meal. What this does, is create a very high insulin spike, forcing all the nutrients in the muscle, since most of my glycogen in the muscles are depleted. They will get refilled., since my body is craving nutrients it will utilize the nutrients more effectively compared to a constant intake of calories.

    That's the warrior diet part, that determines my "way" of eating. What determines "what i eat" is the CKD method. This is a hybrid of the CKD(cycled ketosis diet) For 2 days following the above eating method, i eat mostly protein, with about 100 grams of carbs. Which will have me at lower glycogen levels, which will run out quickly turning me back in to a fat burning metabolism. I eat those carbs to transfer nutrients in to the muscles. I pretty much eat low carb 2 days in a row. On day 3, I replenish my carbs stores fully, pretty much eating anything I can get my hands on. That was last night, if you can't tell. haha. That's why I can eat things like peanut butter cups, with out any undue side effects.
    I am also zigzagging my calories. trying to eat 1500,2000 calories on my protein days. On day 3, it's all out, no holds bar.

    The reason why i restore my carb intake, is because, if you're on a low carb diet, for a while, your muscle turn flat, and it can cause a lot of health issues. I get the benefits of a high protien diet, zigg zagging, intermittent fasting...CKD diet all in one.
    The CKD diet, is supposed to be at 30 carbs Monday Through Friday, and let loose on saturdays and sundays. I just shorten the period 2 days high protein, 1 day all out. All out eating still has to be monitored. I am not going to go and buy a tub of ice cream and eat it. you know? Last night i finished my meal with a smoothie made of apple juice, mixed fruits, and pineapple to resore the the glycogen in the muscle stores. That's why I also ate sugary candy.

    I was reading about how fat preserves muscle when on a low caloric diet. I might experiment with that, I don't know yet. The high caloric meal, strengthens your metabolism. Like a sprinter, compared to a marathon runner. You can eat little meals throughout the day, or you can eat it all at once. Who's muscles are "stronger" a sprinter or a marathon runner? Obviously a sprinter. Your metabolism response to adaptive stress just like your muscles.

    ANother benefit of this diet, is... How many calories can you eat in one sitting? I usually get full at around 1500 calories. My maintained calories is around 3,5000. That's a caloric deficit of 2000 calories, with out even trying. Then I eat that big *kitten* meal, to prevent my metabolism from reaching a lower level. My metabolism is like "sometimes this guy eats a lot of food, I might as well be strong" This is the same principal as muscle confusion.
  • registers
    registers Posts: 782 Member
    I'm still blown away that you can eat 3000 calories in one sitting, as you said in the other starvation mode thread. What did you eat? Deep fried jellybean casserole?

    I answered you in the other forum. but here it is again....

    I call it my main meal, it's within 2hrs...
    muscle milk protien shake 2 scoops 280 calories
    tortilla 120 calories
    Hot dog 180 calories
    A small bag of peanuts 290
    Burrito 975
    chips ahoy 6 cookies 320
    Peanut butter cup 300
    A smoothie(pineapple, mixed fruit apple juice) 160
    1lbs of cod 368

    There is a reason why you look like you do see quoted above lol I really hope you do everyone on here a favor and stop posting bad and dangerous inforamtion.

    I have lost over 100lbs, and since i started this method i lost 15lbs in 2 weeks, can you say the same? thank you...

    Actually I cant say the same because i would never let myself get that sloppy and its impossible to loss 15lbs in a 2week s unless you are morbly obese or had surgery, but on the other hand i can see how you would get there look at your lack of diet just to list some that you quoted

    tortilla 120 calories
    Hot dog 180 calories <---- little kids and FAT people eat these pure garbage
    Burrito 975
    chips ahoy 6 cookies 320 <---<---- little kids and FAT people eat these pure garbage
    Peanut butter cup 300<---- little kids and FAT people eat these pure garbage

    lol nothing really left to say here, now you could of had a fighting chance if you happen to be just some what in shape or be close to having 9.5% BF like I currently do. Please im trying to be nice and forevery ones sake stop posting

    I just got back in to this 2 weeks ago, how long you been doing this and you're at 9.5? why not 7??? having a problem?
  • leighton1245
    leighton1245 Posts: 125
    I'm still blown away that you can eat 3000 calories in one sitting, as you said in the other starvation mode thread. What did you eat? Deep fried jellybean casserole?

    I answered you in the other forum. but here it is again....

    I call it my main meal, it's within 2hrs...
    muscle milk protien shake 2 scoops 280 calories
    tortilla 120 calories
    Hot dog 180 calories
    A small bag of peanuts 290
    Burrito 975
    chips ahoy 6 cookies 320
    Peanut butter cup 300
    A smoothie(pineapple, mixed fruit apple juice) 160
    1lbs of cod 368

    There is a reason why you look like you do see quoted above lol I really hope you do everyone on here a favor and stop posting bad and dangerous inforamtion.

    I have lost over 100lbs, and since i started this method i lost 15lbs in 2 weeks, can you say the same? thank you...

    Actually I cant say the same because i would never let myself get that sloppy and its impossible to loss 15lbs in a 2week s unless you are morbly obese or had surgery, but on the other hand i can see how you would get there look at your lack of diet just to list some that you quoted

    tortilla 120 calories
    Hot dog 180 calories <---- little kids and FAT people eat these pure garbage
    Burrito 975
    chips ahoy 6 cookies 320 <---<---- little kids and FAT people eat these pure garbage
    Peanut butter cup 300<---- little kids and FAT people eat these pure garbage

    lol nothing really left to say here, now you could of had a fighting chance if you happen to be just some what in shape or be close to having 9.5% BF like I currently do. Please im trying to be nice and forevery ones sake stop posting

    I just got back in to this 2 weeks ago, how long you been doing this and you're at 9.5? why not 7??? having a problem?

    No problems just carrying extra lbs so that I have plenty of energy for cycling events and there isnt anyone that isnt training for a BB compitition that stays at 6-7% BF for to long . I read your last long post and the whole diet sounds far out there but you have to realize there is people out there that will try to starve themselves just because someone on the internet said it would work and instead of working you are actually hurting yourself. One of the very dangerous parts of your binge eat is that you are eating food that is garbage and not correctly training your body how to use the nutrients that it need at the correct times. Your body will actually tell you what it need hence the craving you get or lack of energy. But will that said good luck to you and it would have been better to start a topic about the warrior diet not some crazy i just busted a myth and nobody has to ever eat kind of thing.

    Also if you have been reading books about body building for 16yrs you should know that the first thing the body burns is Carbs for energy and the second well that is muscle becuase the body releases hormones that actually stop the burning of fat so that it can be stored for later use. Then it turns on its self and starts breaking down muscle and what is the main muscle in the body that keeps you alive your heart and if you stay on a diet where you starve yourself to long well you normally end up haveing a heart attack among being super rail thin and weak.
  • Teemo
    Teemo Posts: 338
    You really need to re-evaluate what you're doing. You have, quite honestly, thrown together a haphazard mix of routines and sciences. A little of this, a little of that, and you expect it to work. But a lot of what you've said in the past few posts is just... incorrect.

    To start:

    1. The warrior diet is not intermittent fasting in the truest sense.

    2. The effect of fasting on GH release is not a "fast for a few hours" thing. It's a "fast for 24 hours or more" thing.

    3. The primary benefit of CKD is to give you energy for working out. It's not to keep you in ketosis which seems to be what you're trying to do.

    4. A high calorie meal does not "strengthen" your metabolism. In fact, you've argued exactly the opposite in all your threads (i.e., a low calorie meal will not weaken your metabolsim.) The difference in lean mass between sprinters and marathon runners is a product of training and necessity.

    5. Muscle confusion? Are you trying to say you're "confusing" your metabolism? :laugh: Today I told my body I was going to feed it a big steak for lunch so it got its metabolism all primed and then BAM!! Salad. Instant fat loss. What.
  • registers
    registers Posts: 782 Member
    You really need to re-evaluate what you're doing. You have, quite honestly, thrown together a haphazard mix of routines and sciences. A little of this, a little of that, and you expect it to work. But a lot of what you've said in the past few posts is just... incorrect.

    To start:

    1. The warrior diet is not intermittent fasting in the truest sense.
    I never said the warrior diet was intermittent fasting.

    2. The effect of fasting on GH release is not a "fast for a few hours" thing. It's a "fast for 24 hours or more" thing.

    Insulin and growth hormone work in opposition, if insulin is up, GH is down.

    3. The primary benefit of CKD is to give you energy for working out. It's not to keep you in ketosis which seems to be what you're trying to do.

    No this is not what I am trying to do, The CKD is not about that. It's about using fat stores as energy with out having the undue sideeffects of a constant high protien diet.

    4. A high calorie meal does not "strengthen" your metabolism. In fact, you've argued exactly the opposite in all your threads (i.e., a low calorie meal will not weaken your metabolsim.) The difference in lean mass between sprinters and marathon runners is a product of training and necessity.

    No I never said that. I challenged the "term" starvation mode, I never said that a reduce caloric diet won't cause loss in muscle mass which in tern can prevent fat loss "ANY FARTHER". You will be fine if you stay at that caloric level.

    5. Muscle confusion? Are you trying to say you're "confusing" your metabolism? :laugh: Today I told my body I was going to feed it a big steak for lunch so it got its metabolism all primed and then BAM!! Salad. Instant fat loss. What.

    Here's the thing, people don't think before they type. Every bodily function is a form of stress and recovery, the more you stress it the stronger it gets. Of course with proper recovery Tell me it won't apply to metabolism as well. It's a biological habit we're creating.
  • registers
    registers Posts: 782 Member
    I'm still blown away that you can eat 3000 calories in one sitting, as you said in the other starvation mode thread. What did you eat? Deep fried jellybean casserole?

    I answered you in the other forum. but here it is again....

    I call it my main meal, it's within 2hrs...
    muscle milk protien shake 2 scoops 280 calories
    tortilla 120 calories
    Hot dog 180 calories
    A small bag of peanuts 290
    Burrito 975
    chips ahoy 6 cookies 320
    Peanut butter cup 300
    A smoothie(pineapple, mixed fruit apple juice) 160
    1lbs of cod 368

    There is a reason why you look like you do see quoted above lol I really hope you do everyone on here a favor and stop posting bad and dangerous inforamtion.

    I have lost over 100lbs, and since i started this method i lost 15lbs in 2 weeks, can you say the same? thank you...

    Actually I cant say the same because i would never let myself get that sloppy and its impossible to loss 15lbs in a 2week s unless you are morbly obese or had surgery, but on the other hand i can see how you would get there look at your lack of diet just to list some that you quoted

    tortilla 120 calories
    Hot dog 180 calories <---- little kids and FAT people eat these pure garbage
    Burrito 975
    chips ahoy 6 cookies 320 <---<---- little kids and FAT people eat these pure garbage
    Peanut butter cup 300<---- little kids and FAT people eat these pure garbage

    lol nothing really left to say here, now you could of had a fighting chance if you happen to be just some what in shape or be close to having 9.5% BF like I currently do. Please im trying to be nice and forevery ones sake stop posting

    I just got back in to this 2 weeks ago, how long you been doing this and you're at 9.5? why not 7??? having a problem?

    No problems just carrying extra lbs so that I have plenty of energy for cycling events and there isnt anyone that isnt training for a BB compitition that stays at 6-7% BF for to long . I read your last long post and the whole diet sounds far out there but you have to realize there is people out there that will try to starve themselves just because someone on the internet said it would work and instead of working you are actually hurting yourself. One of the very dangerous parts of your binge eat is that you are eating food that is garbage and not correctly training your body how to use the nutrients that it need at the correct times. Your body will actually tell you what it need hence the craving you get or lack of energy. But will that said good luck to you and it would have been better to start a topic about the warrior diet not some crazy i just busted a myth and nobody has to ever eat kind of thing.

    Also if you have been reading books about body building for 16yrs you should know that the first thing the body burns is Carbs for energy and the second well that is muscle becuase the body releases hormones that actually stop the burning of fat so that it can be stored for later use. Then it turns on its self and starts breaking down muscle and what is the main muscle in the body that keeps you alive your heart and if you stay on a diet where you starve yourself to long well you normally end up haveing a heart attack among being super rail thin and weak.

    I don't know where people are getting this from. I never said "go on a long term extremely low diet" that is very bad for muscle tissue. As you already know.
  • mike_littlerock
    mike_littlerock Posts: 296 Member
    I have to admit that this thread is HILARIOUS.. Asscriminal is clearly pranking everyone with his outlandish comments, just to push their buttons and get a reaction. I love his carefully crafted mix of grammar/spelling errors and pseudo-science jargon, very well done attempt.

    Thanks for the chuckle!
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