Carbs & Sugars :(
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Reps back. Wait, huh? Not srs.Bookmarked. I am always in constant search of this....since one of the rebuttles is "Lyle clearly thinks that a low CHO is superior".
I will say that for someone that doesn't completely understand the way the body oxidizes nutrients, his statements can be taken in the sense that he believes that low carb has metabolic advantages.
Reps for link.
Waitwut?
Lyle is more well-known for the fact that he was among the first to apply the physiology to ketogenic dieting to those aiming for fat loss. Before him, it was most well known for its treatment in epileptic patients to reduce/eliminate seizures. Applying it to fat loss is simply something that has been attributed to him, and thus that's what he's well known for. Among his articles, however, he has no problem with higher amounts of carb intakes. You can even quote him suggesting a 40/40/20 diet, which is funny considering how ill-received diets based on ratios are these days
He's very arrogant, no doubt about it, but he forms his opinions based on research.I have been reading his articles and I would admit that what he says is often confusing and he will not hesitate to attack anyone who doesn't understand him. I do find it interesting that one of his books promotes Ketosis, which is of course caused by ingesting low carbs.
Personally i need to read more of his articles before I decide if he is really knowledgeable or just wacky,lol.
And as said above in this message, he is one of the originators of the ketogenic diet applied to fat loss, but that doesn't mean he sees it as THE BEST. He's just been referenced as one of the people who applied it to body recomposition.
See: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/comparing-the-diets-part-4.html
"If you think of me as the keto-guru, you’re probably expecting me to advocate the ketogenic/low-carb diet over all the others. People seem to think since my first book The Ketogenic Diet was about nothing but, I must be the diet’s strongest promoter. It makes me wonder if these morons actually read the book since I made it clear there that I didn’t feel that ketogenic diets were necessarliy ideal. I repeated this multiple times within that book. People didn’t get it."0 -
Yep. I've read Lyle's book "The Ketogenic Diet", and I think this has to be the best publication available explaining the physiology behind ketosis.0
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Yep. I've read Lyle's book "The Ketogenic Diet", and I think this has to be the best publication available explaining the physiology behind ketosis.
Anyone considering following a ketogenic diet for any span of time needs to read this publication.
I've read it. Excellent work and Lyle is an excellent resource for information regarding nutrition, however arrogant he comes off.0 -
His arrogance makes it more entertaining to read.Yep. I've read Lyle's book "The Ketogenic Diet", and I think this has to be the best publication available explaining the physiology behind ketosis.
Anyone considering following a ketogenic diet for any span of time needs to read this publication.
I've read it. Excellent work and Lyle is an excellent resource for information regarding nutrition, however arrogant he comes off.
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His arrogance makes it more entertaining to read.Yep. I've read Lyle's book "The Ketogenic Diet", and I think this has to be the best publication available explaining the physiology behind ketosis.
Anyone considering following a ketogenic diet for any span of time needs to read this publication.
I've read it. Excellent work and Lyle is an excellent resource for information regarding nutrition, however arrogant he comes off.
/truthbomb
He's much more fun to read IMO than Tom Venuto
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So you dismiss dozens upon dozens of dietary studies? Do you know what the law of large numbers is? I'd say it's relevant to the point you're making, which also kind of goes hand-in-hand with external validity. Fact is: what you are saying is not a justification to ignore the results that have been attained from possibly hundreds of studies.
If you go look at any "dietary study" you too would quickly become disillusioned with them. They are terrible! The law of large numbers has nothing to do with the fact that people are terrible at reporting what they eat and terrible at staying on diets.I'm telling you that mainstream anything is USUALLY the enemy to proper scientific research. I don't want to read a book because it's an indirect source. I don't want to watch a Youtube video, like Lustig's video on HFCS, because he left out key information in the data he reported. I want DIRECT sources. I want scientific research; empirical, peer-reviewed.
I appreciate your passion for learning about nutrition, but books are not your most reliable source of information. Scientific research is. Pubmed.com or Google Scholar far outweigh most any book on the market.
I am fully familiar with reading research. I have access to virtually all scientific journals and if I read a mainstream article, I almost always go back and read the original research, or at least the abstract since scientific reporting is appalling. That doesn't mean that I can't see the value in books and exploring interconnected ideas and issues in a way that cannot be done in a short journal article. I am a scientist and I appreciate studies in their place, but they aren't a replacement for critical thinking and discussion. Anyhow, Taubes books are critiquing the scientific research on diet, so it should be interesting to you if you read so many dietary studies. It's a ****ing thick book though, I don't blame you for not wanting to read it.0 -
Very entertaining. I implemented a ketogenic diet for around 10 weeks a while back (for increased satiety).
This is the same reason I implement IF. I LOVE TO EAT, and hunger control is something I strive after. Lol.
Keto was fine until I realized there was no way I could sustain the diet and be happy/generally satisfied without carbs. I heart cereal and oatmeal. Since using IF, hunger is gone (for the most part).0 -
Never got into Venuto much. Some of the bits of things I've seen from him have been very, 'meh.' I know some of his books have been very well-received, but some things I've seen him say can rub me the wrong way.He's much more fun to read IMO than Tom Venuto
Alan Aragon all the way for me. Anyone who really wants to learn should invest in his research review immediately. Pay $10/month and you have access to 2 years of his critiquing dozens upon dozens of published science. You can download everything he's submitted, and he updates it once every month.0 -
AA FTMFW.0
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Law of large numbers weeds out the discrepancies/anomalies over a long periods of time. After decades of nutritional data compiled via peer-reviewed publication, it's safe to say we can start to make SOME sorts of conclusions. Insulin being an evil hormones that should be avoided at all costs is false based on some of these conclusions, as it does not defy a caloric deficit and the law of thermodynamics, again, outside of those who are insulin resistant.If you go look at any "dietary study" you too would quickly become disillusioned with them. They are terrible! The law of large numbers has nothing to do with the fact that people are terrible at reporting what they eat and terrible at staying on diets.
I am fully familiar with reading research. I have access to virtually all scientific journals and if I read a mainstream article, I almost always go back and read the original research, or at least the abstract since scientific reporting is appalling. That doesn't mean that I can't see the value in books and exploring interconnected ideas and issues in a way that cannot be done in a short journal article. I am a scientist and I appreciate studies in their place, but they aren't a replacement for critical thinking and discussion. Anyhow, Taubes books are critiquing the scientific research on diet, so it should be interesting to you if you read so many dietary studies. It's a ****ing thick book though, I don't blame you for not wanting to read it.
You can see value in books, but the main purpose of writing a book in this context is to make money. Scientific research is done for pretty much no reason outside of expanding knowledge. The overwhelming majority of researchers don't make money for attaining interesting findings; they research for the purpose of knowledge. Their pay doesn't change based on the results they stumble upon.
The research of interest is clinical trials. Taubes doesn't have any that are relevant to human physiology. I have yet to see empirical evidence in the form of clinical trials that implicates insulin as being as demonic a hormone as many, like Taubes, seems to think. Again, outside of those who are insulin resistant.
Best day of my life? Getting mod repped by Alan Aragon. Better than losing my virginity, better than graduating college, and better than my future wedding + birth of child.AA FTMFW.
Just sayin'.0 -
Best day of my life? Getting mod repped by Alan Aragon. Better than losing my virginity, better than graduating college, and better than my future wedding + birth of child.
Just sayin'.
Screenshot or it didn't happen.0 -
It's buried :[ I don't know how to see them from that long ago!Screenshot or it didn't happen.0 -
Never got into Venuto much. Some of the bits of things I've seen from him have been very, 'meh.' I know some of his books have been very well-received, but some things I've seen him say can rub me the wrong way.He's much more fun to read IMO than Tom Venuto
Alan Aragon all the way for me. Anyone who really wants to learn should invest in his research review immediately. Pay $10/month and you have access to 2 years of his critiquing dozens upon dozens of published science. You can download everything he's submitted, and he updates it once every month.
Interesting, I'll have to check that out, thanks.0 -
It's buried :[ I don't know how to see them from that long ago!Screenshot or it didn't happen.
Giving you a hard time. :-)
What was your post about that he repped you?
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I mean, I probably SHOULDN'T promote it in this fashion, but you can pay $10 to subscribe for a single month, download over 2 years worth of publications being critiqued by him (which equates to well over 100 as he does 2-3 per month every month), then unsubscribe. And you would have a WEALTH of information at your hands for $10. Amazing, amazing deal.Interesting, I'll have to check that out, thanks.
I made him laugh about something. Probably a paleo joke or something ^_^Giving you a hard time. :-)
What was your post about that he repped you?
/hijack
I am the mastermind behind this, though: http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr98/ericsauble/insulinfairycopyfinal.jpg
See: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=663589511&postcount=155
Claim to fame.0 -
I mean, I probably SHOULDN'T promote it in this fashion, but you can pay $10 to subscribe for a single month, download over 2 years worth of publications being critiqued by him (which equates to well over 100 as he does 2-3 per month every month), then unsubscribe. And you would have a WEALTH of information at your hands for $10. Amazing, amazing deal.Interesting, I'll have to check that out, thanks.
I made him laugh about something. Probably a paleo joke or something ^_^Giving you a hard time. :-)
What was your post about that he repped you?
/hijack
I am the mastermind behind this, though: http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr98/ericsauble/insulinfairycopyfinal.jpg
See: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=663589511&postcount=155
Claim to fame.
Sounds like a good use of $10. Probably moreso than the sad $70 I pay monthly for cable TV...0 -
Law of large numbers weeds out the discrepancies/anomalies over a long periods of time. After decades of nutritional data compiled via peer-reviewed publication, it's safe to say we can start to make SOME sorts of conclusions. Insulin being an evil hormones that should be avoided at all costs is false based on some of these conclusions, as it does not defy a caloric deficit and the law of thermodynamics, again, outside of those who are insulin resistant.
We don't have decades of nutritional data and you can't apply the law of large numbers when the problems aren't abnormalities but the majority. It's funny that you are so interested in discussing this, but you refuse to read a book about itYou can see value in books, but the main purpose of writing a book in this context is to make money. Scientific research is done for pretty much no reason outside of expanding knowledge. The overwhelming majority of researchers don't make money for attaining interesting findings; they research for the purpose of knowledge. Their pay doesn't change based on the results they stumble upon.
I don't think the main purpose of his book was to make money. It took him absolute years to write and it's not exactly an easy or short read. It was never going to be a best seller.
You have a very naive view of scientists and scientific research. I can assure you that it's not done only to expand knowledge, especially in the realms of human health. There is ****loads of money to be made off of this stuff. If someone could develop a pill to cure obesity, they would be richer than Bill Gates. Researchers pay absolutely increases as their prestige and influence increases. It's actually pretty cut-throat. Add in the way science is reported in the mainstream media and you get a bunch of nonsense.The research of interest is clinical trials. Taubes doesn't have any that are relevant to human physiology. I have yet to see empirical evidence in the form of clinical trials that implicates insulin as being as demonic a hormone as many, like Taubes, seems to think. Again, outside of those who are insulin resistant.
This conversation is pointless because you're trying to argue against something you haven't read. Taubes goes through study after study. I have problems with some of his logic, but you cannot say he doesn't have the studies to back himself up. He has literally hundreds of citations listed at the back of the book! The thing is that he is using them to deconstruct the whole dieting paradigm that we've been operating in since the late 70s.0 -
Over a hundred studies critiqued by arguably one of the brightest minds in the field of nutrition, or *Glee...Sounds like a good use of $10. Probably moreso than the sad $70 I pay monthly for cable TV...
Goodness that is a hard decision!
*Stereotyping all young girls as having an affinity for Glee.0 -
Over a hundred studies critiqued by arguably one of the brightest minds in the field of nutrition, or *Glee...Sounds like a good use of $10. Probably moreso than the sad $70 I pay monthly for cable TV...
Goodness that is a hard decision!
*Stereotyping all young girls as having an affinity for Glee.
I'm more of a "Big Bang Theory" and "Archer" fan, but hey, the Glee sterotype is understandable. I break out in hives watching adults randomly break into musical-style song. It frightens me.0 -
We don't have decades of nutritional data and you can't apply the law of large numbers when the problems aren't abnormalities but the majority. It's funny that you are so interested in discussing this, but you refuse to read a book about it
We don't? We've been studying nutritional for a very long time now.You have a very naive view of scientists and scientific research. I can assure you that it's not done only to expand knowledge, especially in the realms of human health. There is ****loads of money to be made off of this stuff. If someone could develop a pill to cure obesity, they would be richer than Bill Gates. Researchers pay absolutely increases as their prestige and influence increases. It's actually pretty cut-throat. Add in the way science is reported in the mainstream media and you get a bunch of nonsense.
I said in most cases. I've participated in 4 studies myself and am interviewing as a clinical trials associate with a bachelor's. Not trying to impress with credentials, but I think I have a pretty informed view of scientists and research. Hence me saying in MOST cases, it's not done for the promise of money. MOST research is done on topics that the common person would not understand. Biology, chemistry, neuroscience, physics, etc. I 'specialize' in neuroscience, and in my curriculum we had to take a year of merely looking at research in the field. There's zero money or glory to be made in 99.99% of published research in neuroscience, haha.
I don't need to read a book to tell you the studies are insufficient. If there were clinical trials that showed the effects of insulin and how they defy a caloric deficit, I'd have seen it by now. Where as I HAVE seen a plethora of research that shows a caloric deficit > temporary boosts in insulin outside of those with insulin resistance or chronically high levels of insulin, which is a minority of the population.This conversation is pointless because you're trying to argue against something you haven't read. Taubes goes through study after study. I have problems with some of his logic, but you cannot say he doesn't have the studies to back himself up. He has literally hundreds of citations listed at the back of the book! The thing is that he is using them to deconstruct the whole dieting paradigm that we've been operating in since the late 70s.0 -
My ex tried to get be into BBT, but I just couldn't do it. I've seen a few episodes of Archer online, and they all made me laugh. I should probably finish out those episodes...I'm more of a "Big Bang Theory" and "Archer" fan, but hey, the Glee sterotype is understandable. I break out in hives watching adults randomly break into musical-style song. It frightens me.
You girls and your shows about adults posing as high school students who break out into song. One of my guy friends is obsessed with that show, and, well, he's never going to hear the end of it.0 -
My ex tried to get be into BBT, but I just couldn't do it. I've seen a few episodes of Archer online, and they all made me laugh. I should probably finish out those episodes...I'm more of a "Big Bang Theory" and "Archer" fan, but hey, the Glee sterotype is understandable. I break out in hives watching adults randomly break into musical-style song. It frightens me.
You girls and your shows about adults posing as high school students who break out into song. One of my guy friends is obsessed with that show, and, well, he's never going to hear the end of it.
As an aside, I subscribed to AA's Research Review and his analysis of the saturated fat debacle from April's edition is fantastic.0 -
Sorry, all I read was:As an aside, I subscribed to AA's Research Review and his analysis of the saturated fat debacle from April's edition is fantastic.
"As an aside, I subscribed to AA's Research Review and his analysis of EVERYTHING IN NUTRITION AND LIFE from EVERY EDITION EVER is fantastic."0 -
Sorry, all I read was:As an aside, I subscribed to AA's Research Review and his analysis of the saturated fat debacle from April's edition is fantastic.
"As an aside, I subscribed to AA's Research Review and his analysis of EVERYTHING IN NUTRITION AND LIFE from EVERY EDITION EVER is fantastic."
I am going to blow through a lot of printer ink printing a number of these out for reading on a transatlantic flight next week.0 -
You're welcome for the reference, and I apologize to you and the environment for the extreme use of ink and paper.I am going to blow through a lot of printer ink printing a number of these out for reading on a transatlantic flight next week.0
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