Is it justified for me to be so damn mad?!
In regards to what's been happening in London, a friend of mine has been acting like such a douche in my opinion! I live in Denham, and my friend lives in High Wycombe.
First of all, she pulls out the 'pity me' card because where she used to live IN London was on fire. I can understand being upset, anyone would be to see their home of 10 years being destroyed. But then she starts making all these comments, comparing this country to that of Africa (where she was born). Saying things like 'this would never get out of hand in Africa, the rule is - you break the rules and the police break your legs'. Fair enough, I can let that one go despite the complete ignorance that it isn't the fault of the police here. They can only do what has been allowed by our Government. If they started shooting people and breaking legs then there would be an even bigger uproar. I agree, it is too soft, but the politics of this country only allow minimal acceptable force because we don't really want to hurt people.
Then she proceeded to call all of the British public (and I quote) "Then the british public need to stop being such over-sensitive politically correct snobs and wake up and smell the ****ing coffee!"
This remark made me SO angry! How can you claim to be a REAL London girl one minute and then make a racist remark like that against an entire population of people who are being devastated right now?! Unless she's calling HERSELF an over-sensitive politically correct snob too, I think she's way out of line by putting herself on a pedestal above the rest of us.
First of all, she pulls out the 'pity me' card because where she used to live IN London was on fire. I can understand being upset, anyone would be to see their home of 10 years being destroyed. But then she starts making all these comments, comparing this country to that of Africa (where she was born). Saying things like 'this would never get out of hand in Africa, the rule is - you break the rules and the police break your legs'. Fair enough, I can let that one go despite the complete ignorance that it isn't the fault of the police here. They can only do what has been allowed by our Government. If they started shooting people and breaking legs then there would be an even bigger uproar. I agree, it is too soft, but the politics of this country only allow minimal acceptable force because we don't really want to hurt people.
Then she proceeded to call all of the British public (and I quote) "Then the british public need to stop being such over-sensitive politically correct snobs and wake up and smell the ****ing coffee!"
This remark made me SO angry! How can you claim to be a REAL London girl one minute and then make a racist remark like that against an entire population of people who are being devastated right now?! Unless she's calling HERSELF an over-sensitive politically correct snob too, I think she's way out of line by putting herself on a pedestal above the rest of us.
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Lots of people are posting ****ty things about it all. My Sister in Law is in Sutton, next to Croydon, and it's started kicking off there as well
They set fire to IKEA FFS!
It's scary. I'm guessing Cameron regrets sacking all those police men now. We could do with them.0 -
Heh, that's true. It's like they're making a point in a way. 'Look at what happens when you take everything we NEED away'0
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You are totally justified in your anger especially over the comment about the Brits in general. That was uncalled for and unacceptable as well as untrue.0
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I completely concur with your opinion. The riots are a criminal act performed by bunch of thugs. Even if the black guy was shot with bad intent,this is no way to express your anger. Looting, burning and attacking fellow humans is a disgraceful act.
As for the English laws, they have to be a bit more strict but that does not mean beating and torturing people, even looters. You can not allow the law of the jungle to enter UK .Africa is in such dire condition because of the corrupt and ruthless leaders ruling the continent.
Every country and race is peaceful.It is only few thugs and Draconian leaders that spoil the image of a nation or ethnicity.0 -
Thanks guys. It's the fact that SHE is fuming at ME right now! I just flat out stopped the argument in it's tracks because it's pathetic. And clearly a lost cause on someone so damn ignorant. Who was saying 'All i'm saying is, the British police need to recruit the African police to show them how it's done'. Yeah of course, love... that makes perfect sense.0
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I agree the police are too soft (b/c of the government), however I don't agree with "breaking legs" etc.! I think you and your friend just have a cultural difference of opinion... I have a friend from Africa also who believes that they should all have their "balls chopped off because scum like that shouldn't be allowed to reproduce".
To be honest though there are worse problems in Africa than there are here... and I don't think that police brutality would be helpful... these kids need hope, something to live for and to be shown how to be useful members of society0 -
this morning I attempted to be highbrow and listen to Radio 4 but wanted to throttle John Humphrys. Because what he was doing, and what I hear said a lot in the media, is that the police should be doing more to stop this.
It's like all the blame is being put on the police. But seriously - if there wasn't the looting and burning in the first place, they wouldn't need to be there.
Who was ever hurt by Carpetright, a florist, a 140 year old furniture store?
The argument shouldn't be about politically correct snobs being too soft, it should be about yobs not bothering to use their brains. What EXACTLY are they angry about? I bet they don't know.0 -
I just didn't like the generalization she made about all brits being overly sensitive, politically correct snobs. SO out of line! To make a point, I said that you wouldn't hear me making such harsh comments about a collective group of people! I said to her that I think the blood diamond trade in Africa is ****ty. But you wouldn't hear me making evil remarks like 'all Africans are stupid neanderthal barbarians for allowing such evil slavery and treatment of others to continue. and you would never see anything like that happen here in England!'. She didn't like that. She couldn't even compose an answer to that. She just decided to attack ME again by trying to say that I was being discriminatory. Idiot.0
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I seriously don't think the people doing this have anything to do with the person who got shot.
It is all just mindless violence now and they need to be stopped. There is no excuse for what these people are doing and I think if I was in the same studio with Ken Livingston yesterday I would have slapped him.0 -
I just didn't like the generalization she made about all brits being overly sensitive, politically correct snobs. SO out of line! To make a point, I said that you wouldn't hear me making such harsh comments about a collective group of people! I said to her that I think the blood diamond trade in Africa is ****ty. But you wouldn't hear me making evil remarks like 'all Africans are stupid neanderthal barbarians for allowing such evil slavery and treatment of others to continue. and you would never see anything like that happen here in England!'. She didn't like that. She couldn't even compose an answer to that. She just decided to attack ME again by trying to say that I was being discriminatory. Idiot.
Yeah, I understand why you would be mad about that... she can't really call herself a brit and then insult british ideals. You may have gone a little OTT with your comment though...0 -
Thanks guys. It's the fact that SHE is fuming at ME right now! I just flat out stopped the argument in it's tracks because it's pathetic. And clearly a lost cause on someone so damn ignorant. Who was saying 'All i'm saying is, the British police need to recruit the African police to show them how it's done'. Yeah of course, love... that makes perfect sense.
Yes we have such a remarkable example in Libya. Some African mercenaries were hired by the ruthless Moummar Qaddafi and look what they did to unarmed civilians. Innocent civilians were butchered by so called African force. Debating with a ignorant is a dumb act not to be performed. She can go and marry a African policeman that she adores.0 -
I just didn't like the generalization she made about all brits being overly sensitive, politically correct snobs. SO out of line! To make a point, I said that you wouldn't hear me making such harsh comments about a collective group of people! I said to her that I think the blood diamond trade in Africa is ****ty. But you wouldn't hear me making evil remarks like 'all Africans are stupid neanderthal barbarians for allowing such evil slavery and treatment of others to continue. and you would never see anything like that happen here in England!'. She didn't like that. She couldn't even compose an answer to that. She just decided to attack ME again by trying to say that I was being discriminatory. Idiot.
Yeah, I understand why you would be mad about that... she can't really call herself a brit and then insult british ideals. You may have gone a little OTT with your comment though...
Yeah I know that was a low blow. But she wasn't getting it that I was so offended. So I made an unnecessary, harsh and drastic comment back. I don't really believe the comment I made. Of course I don't. Generalizations of people and name calling of other races is for ignorant retards.0 -
I agree with you all. I'm from Canada but I can tell you that the police are not to blame here. Irregardless of what country you may live in, we all have are problems. I agree with girnahat, do they even know what they are fighting about????? It is a shame that these old buildings are being burned for the sake of WHAT being right. My rational is if you are not happy in the present country you are living in, go back to your own country and think why you left in the first place. Hopefully this will get resolved soon.0
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Firstly Africa is not a country, it is a continent full of countries. Secondly, as an African, I can tell you she is talking rubbish.
The criminals here in South Africa have more rights than victims.That type of justice may work in some of the central or west african countries , but for her to generalise it by saying "in Africa, such and such would happen" shows her ignorance of the continent and also shows off her close-mindedness
I also disagree with her statements though, and think you have a right to be miffed.
I however am of the belief that if parents were as stern as they were in the past , alot of what is happening would not be happening. If those kids got more hidings as children, they would have more self discipline.0 -
There are alot of silly comments going around, the ones that iritate me are the following
It's political correctness gone mad.
This is broken britan
The resession is to blame
and all the other coments on migration ect.
I know people are entitled to have an opinion but serious wish these people would think before they speak.0 -
The only reason I can think of is what a lot of other people are saying... pent up frustration about the current situation with emplyment, government cuts etc... but do these youths even have the intelligence to understand that stuff?
My guess is that a lot of these kids would be unemployed yobs even if there were more jobs out there. It's the formation of inner city gangs which seem to be largely ignored by the government/ police which is a major issue...
I don't know exactly what is at the heart of the problem but I think that really researching and finding out about the issues of these inner city gangs of kids has been put off for way too long.0 -
No country is perfect... nor its people. We have to live with what we've got and count our blessings. I just hope not too many people were hurt...0
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The only reason I can think of is what a lot of other people are saying... pent up frustration about the current situation with emplyment, government cuts etc... but do these youths even have the intelligence to understand that stuff?
My guess is that a lot of these kids would be unemployed yobs even if there were more jobs out there. It's the formation of inner city gangs which seem to be largely ignored by the government/ police which is a major issue...
I don't know exactly what is at the heart of the problem but I think that really researching and finding out about the issues of these inner city gangs of kids has been put off for way too long.
Not that we even have the funds to help these kids anymore... Not that the government are willing to spend anyway. It makes me so sad that kids just aren't getting the opportunities they deserve.0 -
The only reason I can think of is what a lot of other people are saying... pent up frustration about the current situation with emplyment, government cuts etc... but do these youths even have the intelligence to understand that stuff?
My guess is that a lot of these kids would be unemployed yobs even if there were more jobs out there. It's the formation of inner city gangs which seem to be largely ignored by the government/ police which is a major issue...
I don't know exactly what is at the heart of the problem but I think that really researching and finding out about the issues of these inner city gangs of kids has been put off for way too long.
Not that we even have the funds to help these kids anymore... Not that the government are willing to spend anyway. It makes me so sad that kids just aren't getting the opportunities they deserve.
Maybe one good thing to come out of all this mess will be a wake up call for the government0 -
Firstly Africa is not a country, it is a continent full of countries. Secondly, as an African, I can tell you she is talking rubbish.
The criminals here in South Africa have more rights than victims.That type of justice may work in some of the central or west african countries , but for her to generalise it by saying "in Africa, such and such would happen" shows her ignorance of the continent and also shows off her close-mindedness
I also disagree with her statements though, and think you have a right to be miffed.
I however am of the belief that if parents were as stern as they were in the past , alot of what is happening would not be happening. If those kids got more hidings as children, they would have more self discipline.
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What opertunities should the goverment be giving these youths exacally?
I was in care for most of my childhood, not all the places I lived were nice or with nice people. Is this an excuse for me to go and take something I haven't paid for or break windows? No it is not. I wasn't treated any different from someone who grew up with a family I had school and education paid for by the goverment. You can not blame the goverment for the way people act or bring up their own children.
Your life is what you make of it. You can not use your upbringing as an excuse.0 -
What opertunities should the goverment be giving these youths exacally?
I was in care for most of my childhood, not all the places I lived were nice or with nice people. Is this an excuse for me to go and take something I haven't paid for or break windows? No it is not. I wasn't treated any different from someone who grew up with a family I had school and education paid for by the goverment. You can not blame the goverment for the way people act or bring up their own children.
Your life is what you make of it. You can not use your upbringing as an excuse.
That's true. I suppose it's just the age we're living now.0 -
There is absolutely no excuse to be smashing up and looting things, None at all. But I can understand that economic and social factors have played a part in how this escalated and to ignore that fact seems ridiculous to me.0
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Just heard there's rioting and looting in my town, Wellingborough, going on as i type.
There's just no reason for it, especially in London, which was about to receive a huge boost to its economy with the olympics. This really isnt going to help with getting the money from visitors...0 -
no excuse for rioting and looting PERIOD. I dont care what economic status you have or what race you are. Its wrong PERIOD. What point does it make? How does ROBBING a convenient store make a statement other than you are a POS? Its an excuse to act like a complete piece of trash IMHO.
If you want to protest then do so in a proper manner. These fools are everywhere. Its completely disgusting if you ask me. When you do this you are no better than the person/reason you are "protesting".
Im sure this statement is going to go over about like a turd in a punch bowl but i personally believe "light their *kitten* up"! However, i have heard that law enforcement in the UK doesnt carry firearms. Not sure if this is true or not. Forgive my ignorance.
P.S. i do not intend for my comments to be offensive in any matter. This is IMHO.0 -
Lots of people are posting ****ty things about it all. My Sister in Law is in Sutton, next to Croydon, and it's started kicking off there as well They set fire to IKEA FFS!
It's scary. I'm guessing Cameron regrets sacking all those police men now. We could do with them.
WHAAA! I live inbetween Sutton and Croydon (in Banstead) I heard they set fire to ASDA - i thought I was gona cry ... BUT IKEA!!! NOOOO :sad:0 -
To the OP's friend, who compared her native country to England: if your native country is so much better, please go back there.
I live in the U.S., and I get so tired of hearing non-citizens and naturalized citizens talking about how something is much better in their native land. I always say (or want to say): then why are you here???0 -
Be mad. Be as mad as you want. Just don't go out and break *kitten*. And an armed response would be a last resort, but it would be effective. During the Rodney King riots, a stalwart bunch of Korean-American shop owners who were legally armed stopped the riot COLD in their neighborhood. It makes one rethink just how badly one wants to loot, when faced with a very real possibility of being shot to death or worse. Hoping things work out for all of you guys over there.0
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