Activities: Log or not Log? That is the question...
Azdak
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A constant question on the forum is "Should I count "X" activity as exercise?". The "X" can include everything from standing, to housecleaning, to yard work, to golf, to sex--and everything in between. Usually it is some one new to MFP who has just started a program and who is trying to be diligent about monitoring energy intake and output.
First and foremost, it is essential to remember that when we track calories, it is an external accounting system that exists primarily in our minds. It is something we use to try to describe reality, not the reality itself.
By that I mean that your body already keeps track of calories in and calories out. It does so very precisely, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. It is 100% accurate. If you want to look at the "balance" in your "calorie account", all you have to do is take off your clothes and look in the mirror.
Although the body is extremely accurate, it doesn't give much instight as to what is going on day to day. As you plan your diet and exercise program, obviously it is important to track calories in and calories out. It is just important to understand that these are all indirect estimates of what is happening in your body.
As many of us are aware, losing fat requires a sustained calorie deficit--you must expend more energy than you take in. Total energy expenditure consists of Resting Metabolic Rate (RMR) + Thermic Energy of Food (TEF) + Thermic Energy of Activity (TEA). TEA can be broken down in to exercise energy expenditure and casual activity.
We can calculate BMR or Basal Metabolic Rate with a reasonable degree of accuracy. When using a site like MFP to determine your recommended daily calorie intake, the TEF is automatically included. That leaves activity calories. Exercise workouts are discrete events that normally consume a lot of calories, and we have a number of tools--HRMs, formulas--to calculate the energy expended, so we usually count that separately. Exercise is also not something that everyone does every day.
That leaves calories expended during casual activity (including work). That can be a significant amount--even for a sedentary person, it can be 15%-25% of total energy intake. And it's the most variable and least quantifiable part of the equation. Since casual activity varies so much, the standard tools that calculate total daily energy use a standard "factor" to calculate the amount. The "activity factor" is an average calorie output, based on one's job requirements and daily activity habits.
The key word here is AVERAGE. Some days, people will move a little more, some days a little less. Sometimes people will do a lot of additional activity at one point in the day, but do less the rest of the day. Over time, the busier days will be offset by the more sedentary ones.
So let's go back to the original question and discuss the pros and cons of each approach.
The biggest argument I have heard from people who like to track housework and other ADLs is that keeping a "score" motivates them to be more active. Kind of like wearing a pedometer and having a goal of increasing the number of steps walked each day. Certainly I can understand that reasoning. If you are using activity calories as that kind of "scorecard", and you have a system that works for you, then it can be a positive thing. However, I would not recommend using those numbers in your eating plan--at least, not on a regular basis.
Another reason I hear is that people are afraid of "starvation mode"--they include extra activity calories because they don't want to undereat. This one I think has to be approached with some caution. The response to a large caloric deficit varies widely -- by individual, by overall plan, by body fat levels, be length of time on a weight loss program, etc. I am not saying there are not negative effects from sustaining too high a caloric deficit, but I think the "fears" are greatly overstated, especially for people starting a weight loss program. In most cases, calculating a BMR, adding in an activity factor, working out, and properly refueling after a workout with provide more than sufficient calories to avoid any type of "starvation mode" even with a large caloric deficit. Part of the problem is that people persist in arbitrarily choosing 1200 calorie/day eating plans, when it's not appropriate. Very few registered dietitians would prescribe a diet plan consisting of so few calories. In our weight loss program, with most of the incoming clients starting at 200-300 pounds, the plans prescribed by the dietitians range from 1600 to 2000 calories.
A third reason would be logging activity calories so that you have a greater allowance to eat more. I don't think I need to elaborate on the potential pitfalls of this approach.
What are the reasons to recommend against logging calories?
First goes back to my earlier statement that the "activity factor" built into your recommended daily calorie intake is an AVERAGE--it's not the automatic minimum that you use each day. Things like walking the dog, doing light housework, regular yard work, shopping--these are already included and accounted for. Human beings are experts at having selective memories. It's easy to remember the hour you spent moving furniture and forget about the weekend you spent with you butt glued to the couch. Unless you are wearing a device such as a Body Bugg, or keep a minute-by-minute movement log, it is difficult to measure variances in casual or work activity with any degree of accuracy.
Second: this is related to the other argument. I have read numerous studies that show that, on average, people who start diets decrease their casual activity; studies that document that people who start vigorous exercise programs decrease their actvity the rest of the day following a workout; studies that show that people who start new jobs that involve an increase in activity, tend to significantly decrease their exercise activity. Unless you make a conscious effort to maintain or increase casual activity, it is easy--actually, it is likely--that you are overestimating your activity caloric expenditure.
And lastly, if you think the tables and sources for exercise activity are inaccurate, they have laser-like precision compared to the references used to estimate activity calories. Often, these tables were measured using small sample sizes, so they have wide variability; plus the numbers often are only valid for continuous activity, not the intermittent way we normally perform these types of activities.
Basically, the more detailed you try to be in logging activity calories, the higher the likelihood that you will overestimate your total caloric expenditure.
Someone who already has a system and has figured out their own "calibration" or technique, and is realizing success should obviously continue what they are doing. However, others should be wary of simply copying that approach. The fact that someone "counts" cleaning calories and is still losing weight is not "proof" of the effectiveness of that system. It could be just random chance, it is more likely that they are still underestimating total daily activity.
But if you are just starting a program, and wondering if you should log miscellaneous casual activity, I would strongly urge caution. Think about what you are doing and why you are doing it--don't just assume this something that everybody does. If you are 40, 50, 60 pounds overweight or more and you are eating in the 1400-1500 calorie/day range, you have little to fear from "starvation mode", so you can afford to be cautious about overestimating activity calories.
First and foremost, it is essential to remember that when we track calories, it is an external accounting system that exists primarily in our minds. It is something we use to try to describe reality, not the reality itself.
By that I mean that your body already keeps track of calories in and calories out. It does so very precisely, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. It is 100% accurate. If you want to look at the "balance" in your "calorie account", all you have to do is take off your clothes and look in the mirror.
Although the body is extremely accurate, it doesn't give much instight as to what is going on day to day. As you plan your diet and exercise program, obviously it is important to track calories in and calories out. It is just important to understand that these are all indirect estimates of what is happening in your body.
As many of us are aware, losing fat requires a sustained calorie deficit--you must expend more energy than you take in. Total energy expenditure consists of Resting Metabolic Rate (RMR) + Thermic Energy of Food (TEF) + Thermic Energy of Activity (TEA). TEA can be broken down in to exercise energy expenditure and casual activity.
We can calculate BMR or Basal Metabolic Rate with a reasonable degree of accuracy. When using a site like MFP to determine your recommended daily calorie intake, the TEF is automatically included. That leaves activity calories. Exercise workouts are discrete events that normally consume a lot of calories, and we have a number of tools--HRMs, formulas--to calculate the energy expended, so we usually count that separately. Exercise is also not something that everyone does every day.
That leaves calories expended during casual activity (including work). That can be a significant amount--even for a sedentary person, it can be 15%-25% of total energy intake. And it's the most variable and least quantifiable part of the equation. Since casual activity varies so much, the standard tools that calculate total daily energy use a standard "factor" to calculate the amount. The "activity factor" is an average calorie output, based on one's job requirements and daily activity habits.
The key word here is AVERAGE. Some days, people will move a little more, some days a little less. Sometimes people will do a lot of additional activity at one point in the day, but do less the rest of the day. Over time, the busier days will be offset by the more sedentary ones.
So let's go back to the original question and discuss the pros and cons of each approach.
The biggest argument I have heard from people who like to track housework and other ADLs is that keeping a "score" motivates them to be more active. Kind of like wearing a pedometer and having a goal of increasing the number of steps walked each day. Certainly I can understand that reasoning. If you are using activity calories as that kind of "scorecard", and you have a system that works for you, then it can be a positive thing. However, I would not recommend using those numbers in your eating plan--at least, not on a regular basis.
Another reason I hear is that people are afraid of "starvation mode"--they include extra activity calories because they don't want to undereat. This one I think has to be approached with some caution. The response to a large caloric deficit varies widely -- by individual, by overall plan, by body fat levels, be length of time on a weight loss program, etc. I am not saying there are not negative effects from sustaining too high a caloric deficit, but I think the "fears" are greatly overstated, especially for people starting a weight loss program. In most cases, calculating a BMR, adding in an activity factor, working out, and properly refueling after a workout with provide more than sufficient calories to avoid any type of "starvation mode" even with a large caloric deficit. Part of the problem is that people persist in arbitrarily choosing 1200 calorie/day eating plans, when it's not appropriate. Very few registered dietitians would prescribe a diet plan consisting of so few calories. In our weight loss program, with most of the incoming clients starting at 200-300 pounds, the plans prescribed by the dietitians range from 1600 to 2000 calories.
A third reason would be logging activity calories so that you have a greater allowance to eat more. I don't think I need to elaborate on the potential pitfalls of this approach.
What are the reasons to recommend against logging calories?
First goes back to my earlier statement that the "activity factor" built into your recommended daily calorie intake is an AVERAGE--it's not the automatic minimum that you use each day. Things like walking the dog, doing light housework, regular yard work, shopping--these are already included and accounted for. Human beings are experts at having selective memories. It's easy to remember the hour you spent moving furniture and forget about the weekend you spent with you butt glued to the couch. Unless you are wearing a device such as a Body Bugg, or keep a minute-by-minute movement log, it is difficult to measure variances in casual or work activity with any degree of accuracy.
Second: this is related to the other argument. I have read numerous studies that show that, on average, people who start diets decrease their casual activity; studies that document that people who start vigorous exercise programs decrease their actvity the rest of the day following a workout; studies that show that people who start new jobs that involve an increase in activity, tend to significantly decrease their exercise activity. Unless you make a conscious effort to maintain or increase casual activity, it is easy--actually, it is likely--that you are overestimating your activity caloric expenditure.
And lastly, if you think the tables and sources for exercise activity are inaccurate, they have laser-like precision compared to the references used to estimate activity calories. Often, these tables were measured using small sample sizes, so they have wide variability; plus the numbers often are only valid for continuous activity, not the intermittent way we normally perform these types of activities.
Basically, the more detailed you try to be in logging activity calories, the higher the likelihood that you will overestimate your total caloric expenditure.
Someone who already has a system and has figured out their own "calibration" or technique, and is realizing success should obviously continue what they are doing. However, others should be wary of simply copying that approach. The fact that someone "counts" cleaning calories and is still losing weight is not "proof" of the effectiveness of that system. It could be just random chance, it is more likely that they are still underestimating total daily activity.
But if you are just starting a program, and wondering if you should log miscellaneous casual activity, I would strongly urge caution. Think about what you are doing and why you are doing it--don't just assume this something that everybody does. If you are 40, 50, 60 pounds overweight or more and you are eating in the 1400-1500 calorie/day range, you have little to fear from "starvation mode", so you can afford to be cautious about overestimating activity calories.
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I don't log my activity here. I use WOWY.com and Dailymile.com for that. Just food here.0
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Holy cow, I couldn't even read that without wondering what I read.....I view exercise as incorporating movement into one's life (if you
are not doing any) or if you do exercise already, finding something to do for the rest of your life that you love and will keep up. Sometimes too much emphasis is placed on "exercise" and we can overcompensate with more food . Keep a good eye on what goes in your mouth, be honest with yourself and you'll see results. The better your results, the better your self esteem becomes which can lead to trying exercise( why not?). Keep moving everyone!!0 -
Interesting....... Overestimating exercise, and underestimating caloric intake!! It pretty much sums up the battle of the bulge. Very well written and easy to understand post. Thank you.0
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Very well written! Thank you for the toughtful and detailed explanation of this topic.0
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Wonderfully explained
That is how I operate, overestimating calories consumed, selecting sedentary as my activity level (even though I'm constantly moving all day long), and considering any extra strenuous activity as an added bonus to my weight management.
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Funny - I was just thinking of you this morning as I climbed the steps up from the pool. I'd had a lack-luster 30 minutes in the pool and I was wondering what my "additional" calorie burn might have been for that 30 minutes - beyond what my body would have burned had I not been in the pool.
I was also thinking while in the pool of the person who recently asked about Curves, because water resistance is like the Curve's machines - you get out of it only as much effort as you put into it - allowing your body to slide into under performance as soon as you mind slips off to say THIS kind of thought!
After picking up Panera pastries for the office (it was my birthday yesterday shouldn't I use that as an excuse to poison my co-workers?) and then going to Wolfgang Puck for lunch after my oncology appointment I realized that worries about exercise calories is the least of my issues.
Which brings me back to... try to underestimate aerobic exercises calories and over estimate my food AND unless I am seriously working up a sweat all day, assume my lifestyle is inactive - then use the MyFitnessPal guides as just that, a guide and know its working if the weight starts to come off.0 -
I have a question. MFP puts me at 1200cals/day....now I am only 5'2" and weigh 149lbs. I am looking to lose about 20-25lbs more. I even tried on the Mayo Clinic website and they also put me at 1200cals/day to lose 1-2 lbs a week. I do not count exercise cals from arbitray things like cleaning and laundry. Just my actual work-outs....then I try to eat back at least 1/2 of those calories. Should I be doing something different??0
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I have a question. MFP puts me at 1200cals/day....now I am only 5'2" and weigh 149lbs. I am looking to lose about 20-25lbs more. I even tried on the Mayo Clinic website and they also put me at 1200cals/day to lose 1-2 lbs a week. I do not count exercise cals from arbitray things like cleaning and laundry. Just my actual work-outs....then I try to eat back at least 1/2 of those calories. Should I be doing something different??
There is no one "best" strategy, so if you are doing something that works, stick with it. Personally, I think that given your work schedule, I would try a daily average of at least 1400. On the days you work, you are probably pushing 2000 calories for the day, so I don't know that you need the added stress of trying to maintain 1200/day. You can then decide whether or not to add any exercise calories.
I don't know your fitness level, but at your age, if you can work some heavier lifting and higher-intensity interval work into your routine a couple of days per week, that would be helpful as well. If you are not doing that now, take some time to build up to it, but I think it will give you the best chance of success.0 -
Thanks for your advice....I am decently actice. Right now I run 2-3 days a week, about 3-5miles on hilly trails. The other 5 days a week I do Jillian Michaels 30 Day Shred, which is intervals and circuits. My issue is that I am seeing very little weight loss. So I dont know what I should be adjusting to maximize my results?0
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Love reading your posting, very insightful.0
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