My Fat2Fit experiment

Derv

Great to have ye join me Joseph and Ben.
Joseph I like your number crunching! I wonder am I still eating too little if I'm going for 1585 food and not eating my 200 or so exercise cals, not much better than the 1200 net cals MFP gives me. Hmmm. What do you think?

Good luck with the new plan Ben, hope it smashes that plateau.

Going well here, had an all time low weigh-in yesterday (my usual weigh-in day) but then had a heavy calories day so back up again this morning. I'll be back with my weekly report on Monday.

GoGoGadgetMum

Bump till tomorrow

Cityperks

Bump.

Derv

Week 2 results
Below I will list the prev days intake (food/exercise) and the following mornings weight.

My goal is to eat 1585 (my sedentary target on fat2fit) and then some igf needed, but not all of my exercise cals.


Sunday - 1694/325 - 129.2
Monday - 1683/208 -129
Tuesday - 1617/242 - 128.6
Wednesday - 1710/492 - 127.6
Thursday - 1985/323 - 128.4
Friday - 1611/200- 128.4
Saturday - 1854/0 - 129.2
Sunday - 1518/300 - 129.8

So am mixed & at the end dissapointing week, was so thrilled with the low of 127.6 - but week ended with a net gain of 0.6lbs. As you can see some of my days were quite high in cals & I paid the price the next day.
I think I have been eating too much not so good stuff because I have the calories to use so I must get on top of that.

Ok, new week, let's go!

joseph9

My plan: Eat a minimum of 1700 net calories every day, and eat to a daily average of 1739-1939 net calories. (I.e., after counting exercise, my daily calories should never drop below 1700 and should average a little higher over the course of the week.)

MFP's hypothesis: MFP estimates my BMR at 2060, and predicts that if I eat 1939 net calories per day, my weight loss will drop to 0.2 pounds per week.

My hypothesis: Based my last few weeks of calorie intake and weight loss, I think I have a true BMR of about 2477, and I hypothesize that I will lose about a pound per week.

Week 1 report: Average net calories/day: 1936. Weight change: Lost 1.8. Estimated BMR: 2836

Well, like the man said, no plan survives contact with the enemy. ;-)

Fri-Sun was a class reunion out of town. I didn't get much exercise, and I ate and drank a ton, resulting in an average 2921 net calories per days for the first three days.

At that point, probably the right F2F response would be to stick to 1700 cal/day, but instead, I tried to get back to my average. I averaged 1197 net calories per day for the last four days of the week, for an overall average of 1936 cal/day for the week.

Bottom line: this week isn't a good test of the program, since I didn't follow it. On the other hand, I did average close to 2000 calories per day and still lost 1.8, so the bottom line is so far, so good.

This week I'm going to try to stick to the program I've described. My guess is that I'll gain a little water weight for a net marginal loss, but we'll see.

Derv

Bottom line: this week isn't a good test of the program, since I didn't follow it. On the other hand, I did average close to 2000 calories per day and still lost 1.8, so the bottom line is so far, so good.

This week I'm going to try to stick to the program I've described. My guess is that I'll gain a little water weight for a net marginal loss, but we'll see.

That IS good, nice loss!

So here's the cals/exercise for each day and my weigh in the next morning
I have included the net cals too. I'm not sure I'm doingt he fat2fit thing properly at all at this stage....because my net calories are still around the 1300 mark...thoughts please?

Sunday - 1518/300=1218 - 129.8
Monday - 1587-220=1367 - 129.4
Tuesday - 1463-225=1238 - 127.4!
Weds- 1603-3030=1300- 128.6
Thurs - 1614-323=1291 - ?
Friday - 1546- 128.7
Sunday -1591- 129

So down 0.8lbs . I loved that one day of 127, lol.

rosied915

I found your post too interesting to ignore so I checked out Fat2Fit and used their calulators and I must say, I'm just not sure about this.

So, you can see my stats in my siggy.
EVERY single chart in the world tells me I am at least 'obese' and some even have me at 'morbidly obese'.

But not Fat2Fit~ they've got my body fat % in the healthy range (28%) for my age!!

THEY tell me my goal weight should be 179 pounds! Are ya kidding me?

I'm missing something, right?

Ifly4free

I am still watching every week to see how your " experiment" is going. Both weeks are very similar in that the middle of the week your at your lowest and then it jumps back up. How frustrating!
Till next week....

Tracy

Derv

I found your post too interesting to ignore so I checked out Fat2Fit and used their calulators and I must say, I'm just not sure about this.

So, you can see my stats in my siggy.
EVERY single chart in the world tells me I am at least 'obese' and some even have me at 'morbidly obese'.

But not Fat2Fit~ they've got my body fat % in the healthy range (28%) for my age!!

THEY tell me my goal weight should be 179 pounds! Are ya kidding me?

I'm missing something, right?

I'm not sure which ccalculator you used on the site?
Your body fat % and your weight in pounds aren't the same thing. 28%bf is pretty ok, so you must have some nice muscle in those pounds.
But your bmi is 37.3, to get that in to the healthy range you'd need to get to 128. If you do that nice & slowly you'll retain your muscle & with exercise build more and get you body fat% down too.

I am still watching every week to see how your " experiment" is going. Both weeks are very similar in that the middle of the week your at your lowest and then it jumps back up. How frustrating!
Till next week....

Tracy

It is frustrating! And my calories are pretty consistrent so I don't know why... I am doing this experiment Monday to Sunday and we all know that Monday morning is the worst time of the week to weigh-in , lol.

joseph9

RosieD, my guess is that the F2F body fat calculators are off in your case, but you could get some other readings, like caliper or electronic, to compare. Maybe there's a metric-English problem or something -- I can't believe any calculator would recommend 179 pounds at 5'1".

Did you see how many calories the calculator recommended for you?

joseph9

My plan: Eat a minimum of 1700 net calories every day, and eat to a daily average of 1739-1939 net calories. (I.e., after counting exercise, my daily calories should never drop below 1700 and should average a little higher over the course of the week.)

MFP's hypothesis: MFP estimates my BMR at 2060, and predicts that if I eat 1939 net calories per day, my weight loss will drop to 0.2 pounds per week.

My hypothesis: Based my last few weeks of calorie intake and weight loss, I think I have a true BMR of about 2477, and I hypothesize that I will lose about a pound per week.

Week 1: Average net calories/day: 1936. Weight change: Lost 1.8. Estimated BMR: 2836
Week 2: Average net calories/day: 1693. Weight change: Lost 1.6. Estimated BMR: 2493

This week was much closer to my plan than last week. Instead of a massive weekend followed by four starvation weekdays, I stayed pretty much exactly at 1700 calories per day. (Wednesday was closer to 1900, and Thursday I just couldn't eat all 1700, so I ended up at about 1550, so my overall average was right around 1700). The losses are still more than I predicted, but we definitely need more data.

Derv

I did the massive weekend for you this week Joseph!
Well done on the consistency and the nice loss. I will update in the morning.

Derv

What can I say? bit of a wipeout of a week - I had a book(aka wine!) club on thursday night & from then to a party on Sunday it was not the best.
Got down to 127.4 earlier in the week but back up to 129 this morning - so no loss this week.

rachelleahsmom

Loving this thread! Thanks for allowing us to watch your progress on this program!

Ifly4free

Thanks for the update!!

Tracy

Derv

Thanks guys!

robinaddison

BumP

Tenar13

Bump

Erica0718

I found this thread and find it very interesting and I hope to follow you. I am 5 9 and 155 trying to get down to 140 and MFP set me on 1200 cals, I soon found this was too low so I upped it to 1400. I dropped a couple lbs and here I am stuck again. I have a desk job but work out 5-6 days per week and am trying to find the calorie intake that is right for me. I look forward to your results and notes.

Derv

Hi Erica. Have look at ww.fat2fitradio.com and look/listen at the how to get out of a plateau soundbite. Hopefully somethingt here will help.
I still am uncertain whether I'm doing it right, but basically I am never eating less than 1350 and up to 1585. But I am not eating back exercise cals (for the most part). Sometimes my head is wrecked trying to figure it all out! But I shall soldier on - I am certainly doing no worse than when I was eating 1200 net.

Erica0718

Hello, I don't know if I am on a plateau or not just having trouble getting started, I started at 158 and am just 155 now. I have been looking at the fat 2 fit website and it wants me to eat a little over 1700 cals a day with a sedentary lifestyle. I am willing to try anything, I am not one of these that doesn't want to eat. The only thing I know for a fact is 1200 cals and under is not for me.

It is a crazy math game, and I am not good with math lol Will be coming back to this thread, good luck to you

Derv

128.8 this morning so down 0.2 lbs whic is ok seeing as I wasn't able to run much this week and had my period. Will try to hit the 127's this week - I have my 20 year school reunion on Friday!

joseph9

My plan: Eat a minimum of 1700 net calories every day, and eat to a daily average of 1739-1939 net calories. (I.e., after counting exercise, my daily calories should never drop below 1700 and should average a little higher over the course of the week.)

MFP's hypothesis: MFP estimates my BMR at 2060, and predicts that if I eat 1939 net calories per day, my weight loss will drop to 0.2 pounds per week.

My hypothesis: Based my last few weeks of calorie intake and weight loss, I think I have a true BMR of about 2477, and I hypothesize that I will lose about a pound per week.

Week 1: Average net calories/day: 1936. Weight change: Lost 1.8. Estimated TEE: 2836
Week 2: Average net calories/day: 1693. Weight change: Lost 1.6. Estimated TEE: 2493
Week 3: Average net cal/day: 2036. Weight change: Lost 0.4. Estimated TEE: 2236
Week 4: Average net cal/day: 1795. Weight change: Lost 3.6. Estimated TEE: 2617

Notes: After 4 weeks, I'm definitely not following the F2F plan. I'm averaging 1700-2000 net calories per day, but I'm dropping to 1200 net calories some days to make up for 2400 or 3000 calorie days in the same week. So far, I'm pretty happy with that plan, but it's definitely not what Jeff and Russ would propose.

Still, increasing the average calories has made it a lot easier to follow the diet, and is producing results. I'm still losing a lot faster than the pound per week I'm shooting for, so I'm increasing my range to 1,800-2,000 this week.

* TEE: Maintenance calories, not including logged exercise calories but including all other activities

Derv

Great post Joseph, and well done on some decent losses!

128.8 this morning so down 0.2 lbs whic is ok seeing as I wasn't able to run much this week and had my period. Will try to hit the 127's this week - I have my 20 year school reunion on Friday!

no 127's sts this week.

I think my experiment has run it's course ....final result - my weightloss is about the same and just as erratic on 1575cals as 1200 cals so I will stick to the 1575 thank you

thanks for all the interest, support & new mfp firends

Ifly4free

Thank you Derv for keeping us posted on your "experiment". I know if it were me, I would be frustrated with the end result, but in the end you ate more and didn't gain either. So that is a good thing!

Good luck on the rest of your Journey

Tracy