Truth about Soy,Almond Milk

Dayquasar

I copied this from my blog but I want to cram it into everyones brain so I'm putting it here to. I've read up about soy and almond milk, please check out these sites, Like I said before I care about what goes into your body, please be reading those labels:



Carrageenan is a thinckening agent found in almond milk and other foods and products please read this all the way to the bottom.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrageenan



Soy- http://www.foodrenegade.com/dangers-of-soy/


P.S.: it's really easy to make your own Almond Milk and it is really good- http://eatingcleanrecipes.com/2011/06/recipe-make-almond-milk-nut/

cdstadt

Bunk

flutterby6973

thank you! me and my son drink almond milk ... not after reading that

dovesgate

"Health concernsThe Joint FAO/WHO expert committee on food additives states that, "based on the information available, it is inadvisable to use carrageenan or processed eucheuma seaweed in infant formulas".[14] There is evidence from studies performed on rats, guinea pigs, and monkeys that indicates that degraded carrageenan (poligeenan) may cause ulcerations in the gastro-intestinal tract and gastro-intestinal cancer.[15] Poligeenan is produced from carrageenan subjected to high temperatures and acidity. The average carrageenan molecule weighs over 100,000 Da while poligeenans have a molecular weight of less than 50,000 Da. A scientific committee working on behalf of the European Commission has recommended that the amount of degraded carrageenan be limited to a maximum of 5% (which is the limit of detection) of total carrageenan mass. Upon testing samples of foods containing high molecular weight carrageens, researchers found no poligeenan.[16]"

Ehh.. I wouldn't drink any sort of milk after it has been subjected to high temperatures or acidity.
However, this may be worrying:

"A recent publication[17] indicates that carrageenan induces inflammation in human intestinal epithelial cells in tissue culture through a BCL10-mediated pathway that leads to activation of NFkappaB and IL-8. Carrageenan may be immunogenic due to its unusual alpha-1,3-galactosidic link that is part of its disaccharide unit structure. Consumption of carrageenan may have a role in intestinal inflammation and possibly inflammatory bowel disease, since BCL10 resembles NOD2, mutations of which are associated with genetic proclivity to Crohn's Disease.

Carrageenan is reported to interfere with macrophage activity.[18][19][20]"

kmartinko

I tried almond milk and can only tolerate it in cereal. I prefer Skim Plus. It's tasty and it's loaded with protein and calcium.

sarahmaryfearnley

ah, wikipedia. Excellent source of peer reviewed information.

cdstadt

ah, wikipedia. Excellent source of peer reviewed information.

Exactly. I repeat, bunk.

I use almond milk for almost everything.

Soy on the other hand... Soy is people.

RangerSteve

What a complete and utter load of bull****.

The fact that I just spent 10 minutes wasting my time makes me disappointed in myself as well.

1) Wikipedia.........wikipedia

2) Did you even bother to read the sources that they linked in the references part in the Wiki article?

3) The 3 studies that they referred to in the health concerns (18,19.20) all had to do with mice and guinea pigs. On top of that, the carrageenan was injected. INJECTED.

4) CRAZY CONCEPT OF THE DAY: When you inject things into your body instead of eat them, it will behave differently. Your liver and kidneys filter out things for a living, that's their job and it's what they do until the day you die. Injecting bypasses the digestion phase and has ZERO relevance to eating/drinking something that contains very small amounts of carrageenan.

5) The amounts injected, on top of the low body-weight of the test mice, means that drinking almond milk at the typical weight of a human being will have no relevance to these studies.

RangerSteve

thank you! me and my son drink almond milk ... not after reading that

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Dayquasar

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rosebarnalice

If we want to talk about about a powerful lobby influencing food and nutrition information in the market place, let's talk about the dairy industry.

Com'on peeps-- biologically, we're designed to drink HUMAN milk until we're about 6. . . and not much older than that.

I love almond milk, and much less concerned about a naturally-occurring seaweed extract than I am about the long-perpetuated myth that we, as adult mammals, should be drinking the mammilian extract of ANOTHER mammal in large quantities on a daily basis.

RangerSteve

There are other websites that say the same thing, thats just one of them.-You know what I give up and don't care anymore do what you want.

Good.

When you post wikipedia articles with complete bull**** sources that have mice being injected with something and say it's unhealthy for humans right after then you need to take a step back and re-evaluate your position and why you're trying to "inform" people of their supposedly crappy dietary choices.

You know what else can kill you in large amounts when injected? Water. We better stop drinking water in order to be healthy.

hush7hush

I don't think anything with wiki as a source is going to stop me from enjoying my almond milk.

RangerSteve

If we want to talk about about a powerful lobby influencing food and nutrition information in the market place, let's talk about the dairy industry.

Com'on peeps-- biologically, we're designed to drink HUMAN milk until we're about 6. . . and not much older than that.

I love almond milk, and much less concerned about a naturally-occurring seaweed extract than I am about the long-perpetuated myth that we, as adult mammals, should be drinking the mammilian extract of ANOTHER mammal in large quantities on a daily basis.

This is why there are tests that can look for:

a) dairy allergies

and

b) lactose tolerance issues

Certain populations have a much easier time digesting milk compared to others. If you get tested and have no issues drinking milk, eating cheese, etc then there is no problem consuming dairy products.

RangerSteve

I don't think anything with wiki as a source is going to stop me from enjoying my almond milk.

Just make sure that you're not a mouse or a guinea pig and that you're not injecting it into your blood stream and you'll be fine.

Dayquasar

So I didn't mean to get you all worked up about this, just wondering where you get your information so maybe I might learn the correct theory on this subject? You seem to know alot on several subjects and do alot of posting to better inform people, so maybe if you could point me in the correct direction of maybe a website or book that you support?

Lift_hard_eat_big

So I didn't mean to get you all worked up about this, just wondering where you get your information so maybe I might learn the correct theory on this subject? You seem to know alot on several subjects and do alot of posting to better inform people, so maybe if you could point me in the correct direction of maybe a website or book that you support?

My research starts at www.googlescholar.com
be careful with wiki, ANYONE can post something on wiki as well as many other websites.
Look for peer reviewed articles like from googlescholar.com, then use the references from those articles to further conduct your research

ryoungers

Com'on peeps-- biologically, we're designed to drink HUMAN milk until we're about 6. . . and not much older than that.

I love almond milk, and much less concerned about a naturally-occurring seaweed extract than I am about the long-perpetuated myth that we, as adult mammals, should be drinking the mammilian extract of ANOTHER mammal in large quantities on a daily basis.

agreed!

ryoungers

P.S.: it's really easy to make your own Almond Milk and it is really good- http://eatingcleanrecipes.com/2011/06/recipe-make-almond-milk-nut/

I love homemade almond milk! It is so much richer and creamier than the store bought stuff.

maremare312

So I didn't mean to get you all worked up about this, just wondering where you get your information so maybe I might learn the correct theory on this subject? You seem to know alot on several subjects and do alot of posting to better inform people, so maybe if you could point me in the correct direction of maybe a website or book that you support?

I just think research of legitimate sources and personal responsibility are a good start. Evaluate their testing methods and the sources quoted to see if it's reasonable to believe in something before you pass it on to people who may believe without questioning.

JaenaM

ah, wikipedia. Excellent source of peer reviewed information.

Exactly. I repeat, bunk.

I use almond milk for almost everything.

Soy on the other hand... Soy is people.

WORD UP!

Adrenaline_Queen

Brilliant topic.

Soya is hard for your body to digest. Coconut water is good, but I know the taste... Not coconut milk, but water! xx Brilliant for you! xx

Dayquasar

So I didn't mean to get you all worked up about this, just wondering where you get your information so maybe I might learn the correct theory on this subject? You seem to know alot on several subjects and do alot of posting to better inform people, so maybe if you could point me in the correct direction of maybe a website or book that you support?

I just think research of legitimate sources and personal responsibility are a good start. Evaluate their testing methods and the sources quoted to see if it's reasonable to believe in something before you pass it on to people who may believe without questioning.

I have done this, but someone freaked out on me and I didn't mean to start a rant. If you have looked it up it's everywhere not just wiki for petes sake.

Dayquasar

I found a similar thread please check it out see what you think-

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/322007-soy-good-bad-indifferent-for-women-especially?hl=is+soy+bad#posts-4292500

clong1985

To the OP, I don't think anyone "freaked out" on you, they disagreed with the mumbo-jumbo-pseudo-science presented in a Wikipedia article that you chose to post. It hurts to have your opinion critiqued but when you post something as definitive as "Truth" you must expect some reaction. You said there are other articles online. I'm sure there are, there are articles online that support pretty much every theory for and against every substance known to man. ANYONE can post ANYTHING on the internet, and when they preface it by saying that the FDA or "big agra" etc. are working in some kind of New World Order conspiracy to hold down people and make them ill, people get titillated by the scandal of it all and believe it, hook line and sinker.
The fact of the matter is, almost all food has something "gross" or "scary" about it when you dissect it, whether it's a TV dinner with preservatives, or an organic squash raised in decomposed cow manure and bone meal. I worked for years at a restaurant with a fully-functioning organic farm and the year we started a CSA, we had customers legitimately freaking out because they got a head of kale with a spider in it. A spider, in a pesticide-free plant. Go figure.
It's good to be aware of what you're putting into your body, but don't buy into every scare tactic or you'll probably never eat again.

callmeBAM

None of you have proven anything.

Dayquasar

Hey guys, wish this post was deleted, I have changed my opinion on soy after further investigating and reading up on it from MD's etc. anyway I still don't like carrageenan. And I apologize for being so blunt with my original post. Just ignore this whole thread and go on with your regular activities and read up on anything your curious about from reliable sources, don't try to learn things from random people on MFP. We are always learning things, and don't get mad at the ignorant, they can't help what they don't know. And that doesn't mean you know it all either. Goodbye!

cleanjerksnatch

Hey guys, wish this post was deleted, I have changed my opinion on soy after further investigating and reading up on it from MD's etc. anyway I still don't like carrageenan. And I apologize for being so blunt with my original post. Just ignore this whole thread and go on with your regular activities and read up on anything your curious about from reliable sources, don't try to learn things from random people on MFP. We are always learning things, and don't get mad at the ignorant, they can't help what they don't know. And that doesn't mean you know it all either. Goodbye!

Soy is genetically modified as most of our food and animal feed as well (wheat, soy, corn, etc etc)


-Autism has increased 20 fold in one generation.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/autism/la-me-autism-day-one-html,0,1218038.htmlstory




GMO danger by Dr Mercola
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/04/27/19-studies-link-gmo-foods-to-organ-disruption.aspx

Soy Infant Formula
http://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/agents/sya-soy-formula/index.cfm


-Infertility is a rising problem by Dr Rosemary Leonard
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4243/Infertility-rising-problem.html

Key words, " 'unexplained' fertility" in the article


-Genetically modified soy linked to sterility, infant mortaliy in hamsters
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/genetically-modified-soy_b_544575.html



Soy is bad.

Non GMO fermented soy is healthy BUT we live in an estrogen dominant environment.

Avoid estrogen at all costs!


-Esposure to Air Pollution in pregnancy may boost chances of of obesity in kids
http://healthland.time.com/2012/04/17/exposure-to-air-pollution-in-pregnancy-may-boost-chances-of-obese-kids/



You are what you eat.

FullOfWin

None of you have proven anything.

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