Even MORE controversial question.

brittanyjeanxo

Yep, I'm posting another one, just because everyone was pretty good at keeping things well-mannered and civil rather than getting all defensive. So, here's another debate for everyone to discuss their POV, and this one is pretty controversial...gun control.

In my biased opinion as a proud gun owner, I say that (some) of the regulations that are in place now should be lifted. For instance in my state (Connecticut) there's an assault weapons ban in place that I find absolutely ridiculous. If you want to own a rifle, it can only have one of the following 5 folding/collapsing stock, pistol grip, flash suppressor, bayonet lug, and grenade launcher. Apparently, if you have more than one, that automatically makes it an assault rifle. There are plenty of other bans and regulations that I find absolutely ridiculous as well, and I think regulating them even more is absurd. It is highly unlikely that anyone that is going to shoot someone owns that gun legally. And in Illinois, for those of you that don't know, the only people allowed to carry a gun are police officers or retired police officers, which is extremely unconstitutional (the right of the people to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS shall NOT be infringed.)

I could go on and on, but I won't for the sake of reading. What are your opinions? Again, please keep it civil so this doesn't get deleted.

LizC26

Hold on...You mean I can LEGALLY have a grenade launcher on my rifle as long as I don't have anything else???

Where do I buy one of those from???

tgh1914

That's one thing I like about Texas - GUNS for EVERYONE!!! I need to get myself into a concealed weapons course before those get taken away.

Iamfit4life

I don't know about regulation or how highly regulated they should be.
I hate guns, and I hate a lot of things that happen when they get into the wrong hands. So I don't know enough to get into a long debate.


I was going to say they should have some kind of psychiatric testing, to keep crazies from getting them.

But a you said, thse people were probably going to obtain them somehow anyway.

brittanyjeanxo

Hold on...You mean I can LEGALLY have a grenade launcher on my rifle as long as I don't have anything else???

Where do I buy one of those from???

You sure can. 200 dollar transfer tax, but yes

macpatti

I'm in Texas~ everyone is packing!

brittanyjeanxo

I don't know about regulation or how highly regulated they should be.
I hate guns, and I hate a lot of things that happen when they get into the wrong hands. So I don't know enough to get into a long debate.


I was going to say they should have some kind of psychiatric testing, to keep crazies from getting them.

But a you said, thse people were probably going to obtain them somehow anyway.

You are one of the very few people that admits you don't know enough to debate it. Kudos to you! If you don't mind, can I ask why you hate guns? You can message me if you'd prefer. I used to "hate" them myself, but it was mostly because I was uneducated (not saying that's your case, though.)

LizC26

Hold on...You mean I can LEGALLY have a grenade launcher on my rifle as long as I don't have anything else???

Where do I buy one of those from???

You sure can. 200 dollar transfer tax, but yes

Totally moving to Connecticut

Seriously, everyone should have the right to have guns....given the fact that they have no violent criminal past and aren't crazy.

Contrarian

I have never touched a gun or seen a handgun that was not in the holster of a cop. I know nothing of guns.

foremant86

http://www.tooshocking.com/videos/2048/Family_Guy__Right_to_Bear_Arms

that is all, lmao

BigDaddyBRC

I don't know about regulation or how highly regulated they should be.
I hate guns, and I hate a lot of things that happen when they get into the wrong hands. So I don't know enough to get into a long debate.


I was going to say they should have some kind of psychiatric testing, to keep crazies from getting them.

But a you said, thse people were probably going to obtain them somehow anyway.

Good to see you acknowledge needing more information. Sad that Hate guns. Ever fire one? Ever had the proper training on them? Ever been in a situation where you felt Overly threatened? I say take a safety course, get to know how to use, handl and care for them. Then make that decision. If you dont have the knowledge to debate it, i would say you dont to say you hate them.

just sayin'

brittanyjeanxo

I have never touched a gun or seen a handgun that was not in the holster of a cop. I know nothing of guns.

I saw you were the last post and I got afraid it was going to be something sarcastic :P anyway, if you have any questions about them don't hesitate to message me.

Totally moving to Connecticut

Seriously, everyone should have the right to have guns....given the fact that they have no violent criminal past and aren't crazy.

We actually have two with grenade launchers on them. Now getting actual grenades...totally different story! lol. And I wholeheartedly agree!

Iamfit4life

I don't know about regulation or how highly regulated they should be.
I hate guns, and I hate a lot of things that happen when they get into the wrong hands. So I don't know enough to get into a long debate.


I was going to say they should have some kind of psychiatric testing, to keep crazies from getting them.

But a you said, thse people were probably going to obtain them somehow anyway.

You are one of the very few people that admits you don't know enough to debate it. Kudos to you! If you don't mind, can I ask why you hate guns? You can message me if you'd prefer. I used to "hate" them myself, but it was mostly because I was uneducated (not saying that's your case, though.)

Perhaps hate is a strong word. But I do hate when irresponsible owners/parents leave them where children can get to them and children are killed or wounded badly.
I hate how somebody with whacked out personal beliefs will go onto a school campus and kill lord knows how many....

I do love the idea that people can charge and protect themselves, but it scares the crap out of me.
My significant other wants to buy me one, since he is not here with me right now. And I agreed that he can, and I'll take classes and educate myself.
But again...they just scare me.

I'm an old hippie. ll

brittanyjeanxo

I don't know about regulation or how highly regulated they should be.
I hate guns, and I hate a lot of things that happen when they get into the wrong hands. So I don't know enough to get into a long debate.


I was going to say they should have some kind of psychiatric testing, to keep crazies from getting them.

But a you said, thse people were probably going to obtain them somehow anyway.

Good to see you acknowledge needing more information. Sad that Hate guns. Ever fire one? Ever had the proper training on them? Ever been in a situation where you felt Overly threatened? I say take a safety course, get to know how to use, handl and care for them. Then make that decision. If you dont have the knowledge to debate it, i would say you dont to say you hate them.

just sayin'

She could know she hates them, you never know. She might have been in a situation that makes her feel very uneasy or unsafe around guns, but I see your point.

billsica

I really need an assault riffle. no joke. I am starting a militia. It has been far to long for a rebellion.

I need, riffles, grenades, grenade launcher and possibly flame throwers.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." - Thomas Jefferson

brittanyjeanxo

I don't know about regulation or how highly regulated they should be.
I hate guns, and I hate a lot of things that happen when they get into the wrong hands. So I don't know enough to get into a long debate.


I was going to say they should have some kind of psychiatric testing, to keep crazies from getting them.

But a you said, thse people were probably going to obtain them somehow anyway.

You are one of the very few people that admits you don't know enough to debate it. Kudos to you! If you don't mind, can I ask why you hate guns? You can message me if you'd prefer. I used to "hate" them myself, but it was mostly because I was uneducated (not saying that's your case, though.)

Perhaps hate is a strong word. But I do hate when irresponsible owners/parents leave them where children can get to them and children are killed or wounded badly.
I hate how somebody with whacked out personal beliefs will go onto a school campus and kill lord knows how many....

I do love the idea that people can charge and protect themselves, but it scares the crap out of me.
My significant other wants to buy me one, since he is not here with me right now. And I agreed that he can, and I'll take classes and educate myself.
But again...they just scare me.

I'm an old hippie. ll

I don't think leaving them where children can get to them is irresponsible. I think that leaving them where an uneducated child can get to them is irresponsible, but that's a whole other matter :laugh: I used to feel the same way about them, but handling them and learning more about them and how they work put me at ease, and I love them now. Good on you for being willing to become more educated!

Iamfit4life

I don't know about regulation or how highly regulated they should be.
I hate guns, and I hate a lot of things that happen when they get into the wrong hands. So I don't know enough to get into a long debate.


I was going to say they should have some kind of psychiatric testing, to keep crazies from getting them.

But a you said, thse people were probably going to obtain them somehow anyway.

You are one of the very few people that admits you don't know enough to debate it. Kudos to you! If you don't mind, can I ask why you hate guns? You can message me if you'd prefer. I used to "hate" them myself, but it was mostly because I was uneducated (not saying that's your case, though.)

Perhaps hate is a strong word. But I do hate when irresponsible owners/parents leave them where children can get to them and children are killed or wounded badly.
I hate how somebody with whacked out personal beliefs will go onto a school campus and kill lord knows how many....

I do love the idea that people can charge and protect themselves, but it scares the crap out of me.
My significant other wants to buy me one, since he is not here with me right now. And I agreed that he can, and I'll take classes and educate myself.
But again...they just scare me.

I'm an old hippie. ll

I don't think leaving them where children can get to them is irresponsible. I think that leaving them where an uneducated child can get to them is irresponsible, but that's a whole other matter :laugh: I used to feel the same way about them, but handling them and learning more about them and how they work put me at ease, and I love them now. Good on you for being willing to become more educated!

10 years ago I would have told him no way. But I don't trust people these days, and until he gets here it's just me and the kids.
My apartments aren't great, there have been attacks.

Life is about learning. This can be something else I learn.

brittanyjeanxo

I don't know about regulation or how highly regulated they should be.
I hate guns, and I hate a lot of things that happen when they get into the wrong hands. So I don't know enough to get into a long debate.


I was going to say they should have some kind of psychiatric testing, to keep crazies from getting them.

But a you said, thse people were probably going to obtain them somehow anyway.

You are one of the very few people that admits you don't know enough to debate it. Kudos to you! If you don't mind, can I ask why you hate guns? You can message me if you'd prefer. I used to "hate" them myself, but it was mostly because I was uneducated (not saying that's your case, though.)

Perhaps hate is a strong word. But I do hate when irresponsible owners/parents leave them where children can get to them and children are killed or wounded badly.
I hate how somebody with whacked out personal beliefs will go onto a school campus and kill lord knows how many....

I do love the idea that people can charge and protect themselves, but it scares the crap out of me.
My significant other wants to buy me one, since he is not here with me right now. And I agreed that he can, and I'll take classes and educate myself.
But again...they just scare me.

I'm an old hippie. ll

I don't think leaving them where children can get to them is irresponsible. I think that leaving them where an uneducated child can get to them is irresponsible, but that's a whole other matter :laugh: I used to feel the same way about them, but handling them and learning more about them and how they work put me at ease, and I love them now. Good on you for being willing to become more educated!

10 years ago I would have told him no way. But I don't trust people these days, and until he gets here it's just me and the kids.
My apartments aren't great, there have been attacks.

Life is about learning. This can be something else I learn.

Then pepper spray is a great option until you're comfortable enough for a gun! Definitely try to stay safe any way you can.

sagetracey

It's very different here in Australia, but - I've been on the other end of a gun in a street shooting and it was absolutely terrifying. I have fired a rifle when rabbit shooting (when it was legal for me to do so), but not once during the street shooting did it occur to me to wish that I had a gun of my own. All I cared about was getting to my son's school and getting it locked down for safety. I had images of Columbine flashing through my mind until the kids were safe and the police were on site.

Per capita, I don't know whether Australia has more or less gun related accidents, incidents or crimes than America or any other country, but I am glad that gun ownership is so restricted here. It makes me feel safer.

lor007

And in Illinois, for those of you that don't know, the only people allowed to carry a gun are police officers or retired police officers, which is extremely unconstitutional (the right of the people to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS shall NOT be infringed.)

Because of Chicago, Illinois will probably never have more conservative gun laws. I live in the southern part of the state where the general population's political views are about as far as one could get from Chicago, but we all have to play by the same rules.

Contrarian

I have never touched a gun or seen a handgun that was not in the holster of a cop. I know nothing of guns.

I saw you were the last post and I got afraid it was going to be something sarcastic :P

That hurts...

BigDaddyBRC

In my biased opinion as a proud gun owner, I say that (some) of the regulations that are in place now should be lifted. For instance in my state (Connecticut) there's an assault weapons ban in place that I find absolutely ridiculous. If you want to own a rifle, it can only have one of the following 5 folding/collapsing stock, pistol grip, flash suppressor, bayonet lug, and grenade launcher. Apparently, if you have more than one, that automatically makes it an assault rifle. There are plenty of other bans and regulations that I find absolutely ridiculous as well, and I think regulating them even more is absurd.

My background - US Army 8 years, in the Firearms industry 10 years, CCW holder, NRA Member

Why do you need an Assault Rifle? For hunting? What, you can't kill the animal with one shot? If in your hause you have an intruder, you feel the need to SPRAY the ammo all over exiting your house and putting more innocent people at risk? Unless you are a curator or collector you have no need for one. With the way hangun ammunition is made, he stopping power is already there in a pistol round. Fearing a Canadian invasion? Not going to happen. Fearing a revolution? Go back to when this country was fought and won with ball and packed powder and smarts.

All things being said, I LOVE tactical gear. It wouldbe cool to own one, but I dont need one. Come in my house unannounced, and you'll see...well, you'll see flash and smoke then darkness. Now, for home defense...get a shotgun. In defense against that statement, there is a need for manuverability within confined areas...they should allow a collapsable stock and pistol grip. but the others...you're just trolling for amusement.

kykykenna

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Concealed weapons permit carrier.

ninerbuff

Although I support the right to have guns (and I staunchly support) and don't even have a problem with people having concealed weapons, I'm not really in favor of assault weapons. Now granted the thugs and gangsters will have them, but if you just really think just in your life experience........and be honest, have you ever been held up or intimidated personally by someone carrying a gun of any sort? Chances are no. You're more likely to have a car accident then be robbed.
This lead me to not getting one because although you can have the best of intentions and have the total know how to handle and shoot correctly, lapses in judgement can mean the difference between life and death.
My cousin has an arsenal in his home. His vehicle had been broken into a few times and one night he heard it being broken into again. He got his shotgun and confronted the thieves. As they ran off, he fired one round towards the ground near his fence line out of anger. Unfortunately the neighbors small dog was near that area and was mortally wounded. He is now facing criminal charges and is also being sued at the same time. And he knows how to handle guns since he actually works security for a government lab. I'm not sure what's been going on, but from the sounds of it he may be in trouble. Just saying that it just takes a moment for things to go wrong.

jenny95662

i never had been around guns untill i married my husband who is from TX lol I dont know much about them but have shot one with him in tx. i feel if your responsable then see no issue with it.

ninerbuff

In my biased opinion as a proud gun owner, I say that (some) of the regulations that are in place now should be lifted. For instance in my state (Connecticut) there's an assault weapons ban in place that I find absolutely ridiculous. If you want to own a rifle, it can only have one of the following 5 folding/collapsing stock, pistol grip, flash suppressor, bayonet lug, and grenade launcher. Apparently, if you have more than one, that automatically makes it an assault rifle. There are plenty of other bans and regulations that I find absolutely ridiculous as well, and I think regulating them even more is absurd.

My background - US Army 8 years, in the Firearms industry 10 years, CCW holder, NRA Member

Why do you need an Assault Rifle? For hunting? What, you can't kill the animal with one shot? If in your hause you have an intruder, you feel the need to SPRAY the ammo all over exiting your house and putting more innocent people at risk? Unless you are a curator or collector you have no need for one. With the way hangun ammunition is made, he stopping power is already there in a pistol round. Fearing a Canadian invasion? Not going to happen. Fearing a revolution? Go back to when this country was fought and won with ball and packed powder and smarts.

All things being said, I LOVE tactical gear. It wouldbe cool to own one, but I dont need one. Come in my house unannounced, and you'll see...well, you'll see flash and smoke then darkness. Now, for home defense...get a shotgun. In defense against that statement, there is a need for manuverability within confined areas...they should allow a collapsable stock and pistol grip. but the others...you're just trolling for amusement.

Agree here. Shotgun and a pistol for home protection is really all you need.

maryd523

Why does anyone need a gun, really? It's a weapon of murder. It kills people. There are non-lethal ways to protect yourself (if you really need protecting that badly, which I highly doubt).

It seems to me the chances of a gun actually saving your life are a lot less than the chances of an accident happening with you, your kids, the neighbor kids, whatever. Why take the chance?

spaztastic13

Right to bare arms....woot!!!!!!

MelC2564

Per capita, I don't know whether Australia has more or less gun related accidents, incidents or crimes than America or any other country, but I am glad that gun ownership is so restricted here. It makes me feel safer.

^ this. I am very content with the fact guns are rare in Aus, there is enough stupid violence in our cities as it is, god knows how much worse it'd be if we were allowed guns - especially 'assault weapons'.

ninerbuff

I don't think leaving them where children can get to them is irresponsible. I think that leaving them where an uneducated child can get to them is irresponsible, but that's a whole other matter :laugh: I used to feel the same way about them, but handling them and learning more about them and how they work put me at ease, and I love them now. Good on you for being willing to become more educated!

How do you educate a 3 year old on a gun? You can say no, you can say "you'll kill yourself", but a 3 year olds mind can't comprehend that. Sorry gotta disagree here.

brittanyjeanxo

Although I support the right to have guns (and I staunchly support) and don't even have a problem with people having concealed weapons, I'm not really in favor of assault weapons. Now granted the thugs and gangsters will have them, but if you just really think just in your life experience........and be honest, have you ever been held up or intimidated personally by someone carrying a gun of any sort? Chances are no. You're more likely to have a car accident then be robbed.
This lead me to not getting one because although you can have the best of intentions and have the total know how to handle and shoot correctly, lapses in judgement can mean the difference between life and death.
My cousin has an arsenal in his home. His vehicle had been broken into a few times and one night he heard it being broken into again. He got his shotgun and confronted the thieves. As they ran off, he fired one round towards the ground near his fence line out of anger. Unfortunately the neighbors small dog was near that area and was mortally wounded. He is now facing criminal charges and is also being sued at the same time. And he knows how to handle guns since he actually works security for a government lab. I'm not sure what's been going on, but from the sounds of it he may be in trouble. Just saying that it just takes a moment for things to go wrong.

People like your friend are the difference between a responsible gun owner and one that gets guns strictly for safety. He should have never had his finger on the trigger, and if it was a shotgun and he knew how to handle it properly, that means he would have been shouldering it, which is not something a responsible gun owner would have done in that situation unless he felt his life was in danger. Unfortunately, that is totally your friend's mistake. No responsible gun owner would have done that.