Net Carbs? Atkins?

Grokette

The trouble with Atkins is that there are some people who decide they can eat forty pieces of bacon and still be ok. This is what leads to the misconceptions. Honestly, a healthy diet that's low in carbs is good for you, as long as it still contains all the food groups and is not crazy high in saturated fats and calories. It's especially healthy for diabetics. The trouble is, many people take it to the extremes.

:::confused::: I happen to love my "Pound of Bacon Saturday". Bacon is not making people fat. grains and sugars make people fat and produce high cholesterol and heart diseases. One more time...all together now: Eating fat is not what is making people fat.

I eat meat and fat 90% of my diet....occasionally do I actually eat a vegetable and a fruit. And thats the way, uh huh, uh huh, I like it, uh huh uh huh...

You are absolutely correct!!!!!!

90% of what I eat is also Fat and Protein and upwards to 95 and 98%...................

LowCarbForLife

Atkins is horribly bad for you! Don't follow it!

Normally weight loss causes cholesterol to fall but for about one-third of Atkins dieters, everything goes in the wrong direction, and their cholesterol levels sometimes go through the roof. They also lose calcium, as researchers have found with urine tests. Over the long run, the concern is that that could lead to osteoporosis--elevated cholesterol levels may lead you to life threatening-heart disease!

ANY DIET THAT ELIMINATES A FOOD GROUP IS UNHEALTHY! You need to eat a variety of all foods! carbs, fats, and protein!

OH, and you are not ELIMINATING carbs, you are CONTROLLING carbs.

Thanks for trying but I think her mind is made up and you'll only confuse her with the facts.

heatherzotigh

Actually we are not really carnivores, Canines are! The human digestive anatomy is very short compared to animals whose trunks are the majority of their weight (naturally), not talking about the fat guy at chilis eating never-ending wings whose trunk is the majority of his weight also... Anyways, carnivores have long GI tracts because it takes A LOT to digest animal proteins and fat (they are very large cells)- so our livers make up for all the **** we put in our body that we are not in all but for the majority not able to Fully digest! When I have a question I teach myself, I read reliable sources and I learn! When the Funk is Fact you cant fight the Funk! I just read an article with fossil facts dating back to 8 million years ago evolutionarily speaking we like a solely plant based diet... Hasn't been happening the last forty thousand years, because of hardships, even before the myans which is humans first record of civilization and thats only 5 or so thousands of yrs ago, but none the less fact...
WATCH IT--"Forks Over Knives" is a 2011 American documentary film directed by Lee Fulkerson, an American independent filmmaker. The film examines the "profound claim that most, if not all, of the degenerative diseases that afflict us can be controlled, or even reversed, by rejecting our present menu of animal-based and processed foods," principally by tracing the careers and research of American physician Caldwell Esselstyn and professor of nutritional biochemistry T. Colin Campbell.

LowCarbForLife

Actually we are not really carnivores, Canines are! The human digestive anatomy is very short compared to animals whose trunks are the majority of their weight (naturally), not talking about the fat guy at chilis eating never-ending wings whose trunk is the majority of his weight also... Anyways, carnivores have long GI tracts because it takes A LOT to digest animal proteins and fat (they are very large cells)- so our livers make up for all the **** we put in our body that we are not in all but for the majority not able to Fully digest! When I have a question I teach myself, I read reliable sources and I learn! When the Funk is Fact you cant fight the Funk! I just read an article with fossil facts dating back to 8 million years ago evolutionarily speaking we like a solely plant based diet... Hasn't been happening the last forty thousand years, because of hardships, even before the myans which is humans first record of civilization and thats only 5 or so thousands of yrs ago, but none the less fact...
WATCH IT--"Forks Over Knives" is a 2011 American documentary film directed by Lee Fulkerson, an American independent filmmaker. The film examines the "profound claim that most, if not all, of the degenerative diseases that afflict us can be controlled, or even reversed, by rejecting our present menu of animal-based and processed foods," principally by tracing the careers and research of American physician Caldwell Esselstyn and professor of nutritional biochemistry T. Colin Campbell.

Dear God, I should have guessed you were vegan/vegetarian (one part cult, one part eating disorder) from the misinformation you've been spewing. Actually we are omnivores but I guess you didn't learn that big word in your dietetics lessons. You can wish all you want that humans were actually something else but all of recorded history says otherwise. When humans have a choice they will eat plants and animals. True herbivores have a completely different digestive system than humans by the way. What on earth are they teaching you in this dietetics program you're supposedly in?

heatherzotigh

Actually we are not really carnivores, Canines are! The human digestive anatomy is very short compared to animals whose trunks are the majority of their weight (naturally), not talking about the fat guy at chilis eating never-ending wings whose trunk is the majority of his weight also... Anyways, carnivores have long GI tracts because it takes A LOT to digest animal proteins and fat (they are very large cells)- so our livers make up for all the **** we put in our body that we are not in all but for the majority not able to Fully digest! When I have a question I teach myself, I read reliable sources and I learn! When the Funk is Fact you cant fight the Funk! I just read an article with fossil facts dating back to 8 million years ago evolutionarily speaking we like a solely plant based diet... Hasn't been happening the last forty thousand years, because of hardships, even before the myans which is humans first record of civilization and thats only 5 or so thousands of yrs ago, but none the less fact...
WATCH IT--"Forks Over Knives" is a 2011 American documentary film directed by Lee Fulkerson, an American independent filmmaker. The film examines the "profound claim that most, if not all, of the degenerative diseases that afflict us can be controlled, or even reversed, by rejecting our present menu of animal-based and processed foods," principally by tracing the careers and research of American physician Caldwell Esselstyn and professor of nutritional biochemistry T. Colin Campbell.

Dear God, I should have guessed you were vegan/vegetarian (one part cult, one part eating disorder) from the misinformation you've been spewing. Actually we are omnivores but I guess you didn't learn that big word in your dietetics lessons. You can wish all you want that humans were actually something else but all of recorded history says otherwise. When humans have a choice they will eat plants and animals. True herbivores have a completely different digestive system than humans by the way. What on earth are they teaching you in this dietetics program you're supposedly in?

*sigh* I give up... one, I'm not vegetarian or vegan--I am a "flexatarian"--I eat chicken/fish on rare occasions and no dairy. Two, you're right, they don't teach this in standard dietetics but that doesn't make it any less true... the world is quite OBVIOUSLY not ready to accept that we can live healthily and happily off a primarily plant based diet... People who maintain a plant based diet have lower incidences of heart disease, diabetes, most cancers, have lower LDL levels and lower blood pressures--that is from a standard nutrition course!
Oh and three, I recently had all my blood work done--lipid profile, Ca++, Fe, B12, CBC, thyroid panel, etc.-- just out of curiosity to see if I was meeting my nutrient needs--and it all came back in normal ranges--proof that if you know what your are doing and eat a variety of veggies, fruits and legumes you CAN meet all your needs on a primarily plant based diet! Also I get micro-fits on a regular basis which test body fat, bicep strength, back flexibility, blood pressure, resting heart rate, and aerobic fitness--my results continuously put me in the "FIT" category--more proof that you can be perfectly healthy and fit off a primarily plant based diet! By none of this am I saying I am better or more fit than anyone (because I know there's plenty of people at higher fitness levels) I am just citing this as a personal example that the lifestyle I live is HEALTHY!

yummummum

GROKETTE: "Umm with Atkins you climb the carb ladder and you eat everything...........it is no different than an elimination diet a doctor or dietician will put someone on to figure out if you have food allergies or not."

What is interesting about this statement is that this is exactly how I found out that i FEEL LIKE A DIFFERENT PERSON on a low carb diet!!!! I went to my Dr and had tests and tests, tired, depression, couldn't lose weight no matter how hard I was trying and counting cals and doing Weight Watchers. Then GI issues bloating that got worse til I looked pregnant, pain. Got an endoscopy- every thing looked fine- no celiac. None of the drs were helping me or making suggestions about my diet. I ate a fairly healthy diet based on the normal food pyramid. Lots of whole wheat stuff, cereal, oatmeal, fruit. (But loaded with carbs and sugars. )

FINALLY, I decided I was in so much pain I would do an elimination diet on my own. I eliminated all gluten which was helping some but I still had flare ups that I started to notice when I ate starchy things. My face would swell and my stomach was huge. I was literally banging my head against the wall trying to loose a pound. I decided to just eat a few things for a couple days to see what happened. I cut out all sugar and starchy carbs and ate salads and chicken.

It was like I was awake for the first time in years! My stomach pain was disappearing and slowly deflating too.

I felt so good I decided to cut out all fake stuff and just eat clean. And started researching other diets including low carb diets. I decided since I had been trying to lose weight for years on weight watchers I have nothing to lose by trying. But by trying it I have realized that all my GI symptoms are GONE. I mean completely gone. For me, I will never go back to eating the way I used to.

I eat so much better now then I did! I should do a side by side comparison of a typical weight watcher day compared to my new low carb day! Now I eat Kale, broccoli, nuts, salmon, chicken, eggs, cheese, real butter, olive oil, fish oil.
But the very best thing of all is I am not hungry, no blood sugar crashes or cravings!

When I start to introduce things I will do it carefully and slowly but I never want to go back to feeling the way I did.

pork_belly

But the very best thing of all is I am not hungry, no blood sugar crashes or cravings!

When I start to introduce things I will do it carefully and slowly but I never want to go back to feeling the way I did.

The best part of losing weight using a low carb diet (and eventually lifestyle) is not having to STARVE EVER!!!!

LowCarbForLife

Actually we are not really carnivores, Canines are! The human digestive anatomy is very short compared to animals whose trunks are the majority of their weight (naturally), not talking about the fat guy at chilis eating never-ending wings whose trunk is the majority of his weight also... Anyways, carnivores have long GI tracts because it takes A LOT to digest animal proteins and fat (they are very large cells)- so our livers make up for all the **** we put in our body that we are not in all but for the majority not able to Fully digest! When I have a question I teach myself, I read reliable sources and I learn! When the Funk is Fact you cant fight the Funk! I just read an article with fossil facts dating back to 8 million years ago evolutionarily speaking we like a solely plant based diet... Hasn't been happening the last forty thousand years, because of hardships, even before the myans which is humans first record of civilization and thats only 5 or so thousands of yrs ago, but none the less fact...
WATCH IT--"Forks Over Knives" is a 2011 American documentary film directed by Lee Fulkerson, an American independent filmmaker. The film examines the "profound claim that most, if not all, of the degenerative diseases that afflict us can be controlled, or even reversed, by rejecting our present menu of animal-based and processed foods," principally by tracing the careers and research of American physician Caldwell Esselstyn and professor of nutritional biochemistry T. Colin Campbell.

Dear God, I should have guessed you were vegan/vegetarian (one part cult, one part eating disorder) from the misinformation you've been spewing. Actually we are omnivores but I guess you didn't learn that big word in your dietetics lessons. You can wish all you want that humans were actually something else but all of recorded history says otherwise. When humans have a choice they will eat plants and animals. True herbivores have a completely different digestive system than humans by the way. What on earth are they teaching you in this dietetics program you're supposedly in?

*sigh* I give up... one, I'm not vegetarian or vegan--I am a "flexatarian"--I eat chicken/fish on rare occasions and no dairy. Two, you're right, they don't teach this in standard dietetics but that doesn't make it any less true... the world is quite OBVIOUSLY not ready to accept that we can live healthily and happily off a primarily plant based diet... People who maintain a plant based diet have lower incidences of heart disease, diabetes, most cancers, have lower LDL levels and lower blood pressures--that is from a standard nutrition course!
Oh and three, I recently had all my blood work done--lipid profile, Ca++, Fe, B12, CBC, thyroid panel, etc.-- just out of curiosity to see if I was meeting my nutrient needs--and it all came back in normal ranges--proof that if you know what your are doing and eat a variety of veggies, fruits and legumes you CAN meet all your needs on a primarily plant based diet! Also I get micro-fits on a regular basis which test body fat, bicep strength, back flexibility, blood pressure, resting heart rate, and aerobic fitness--my results continuously put me in the "FIT" category--more proof that you can be perfectly healthy and fit off a primarily plant based diet! By none of this am I saying I am better or more fit than anyone (because I know there's plenty of people at higher fitness levels) I am just citing this as a personal example that the lifestyle I live is HEALTHY!

I wish you would give up because your knowledge of nutrition is pathetic and it is condescending of you to enter forum threads on topics you clearly know very little about, such as low carb diets, and claim they are unhealthy. Do you know how ridiculous you appear when you claim your own experiences will apply to everyone else? I don't know any other dietitian, no matter how poorly trained who will make those claims. And if you are so FIT, then why are you trying to lose 20 pounds according to your profile?

I certainly have no problem with you promoting your supposedly healthy lifestyle however when you do it by ignorantly criticizing other diets then I do have a problem and I will respond to correct your misinformation. Every time.

HMonsterX

Why does this remind me of "my god is better than your god" argument?

You don't like the idea of atkins, (same as me btw), so dont do it!

You like the idea of being restricted in some things for the rest of your life, go ahead and do it!

Can we let this rest now?

lockef

LCFL... it's probably time to give up on this one. Another person who believes that correlation implys causation, and is probably not intelligent enough to understand anyways.

Dead horse = Beaten

LowCarbForLife

Why does this remind me of "my god is better than your god" argument?

You don't like the idea of atkins, (same as me btw), so dont do it!

You like the idea of being restricted in some things for the rest of your life, go ahead and do it!

Can we let this rest now?

"Why does this remind me of "my god is better than your god" argument?"
The problem with this analogy is that only one of us, and it isn't me, is making this argument. If you find any place anywhere where I state that Atkins or low carb will work for everybody please feel free to call me on it but I know you won't. IMO, we all, or at least the sane, rational people, voluntarily restrict ourselves from certain things in life. Shot up any heroin or had a binge drinking session lately? Me neither. What you see as an unworkable dietary restriction, I see as the controlled intake of a substance that I believe does me more harm than good, not dissimilar to the way I view alcohol.

And no, I won't let it rest as long as people like Heather choose to enter threads related to Atkins or other low carb diets and attempt to spread ignorance and misinformation. If that bothers you then don't read them.

LowCarbForLife

LCFL... it's probably time to give up on this one. Another person who believes that correlation implys causation, and is probably not intelligent enough to understand anyways.

Dead horse = Beaten

You may be right but for the time being I'm going to keep responding. If we give in to the dark side we all lose. ;-)
I really like your signature quote. I thought I'd read every good quote of TJ but somehow I missed that one.

KavemanKarg

Dat fair. Karg does speak at da grade 2 lebel.

HA! you got that right! you talk on a pre-school "lebel"!

Since you are incapable of seeing past the caveman accent, please review the link I provided. If you are truly "studying" dietetics, then it may benefit you to learn from the BEST and from leading edge research.

There are currently no clinical trials that refute the findings that I have found anywhere, period. And I have spent considerable time looking. And please note, a clinical trail is far different from, and far more reliable then, a study, which is basically interviewing people and hoping they are honest.

The link that was provided was actually a clinical trial run by a PHD, with a long history of unbiased peer reviewed trials, who just happens to be a vegan.

Your views are clearly guided by some anti-low carb fear mongering dogma.