Recent Food Recalls - First the Canteloupe, now ground beef

kducky22

Organic....... I grow some of my own, but now with smaller gardens people dont, I also get my veg from the fruit and veg market, where farms and shops all get theirs! And regarding meat, I do try and only get organic, yes it is more expensive, but I would rather put my money in my childrens stomaches not for, drinking and smoking or clothes.... It can be done and you also use less packaging....

Supermarkets are the worst places to shop... But that is just my oppinion.... xx

I am looking for some youtube fims about battery animals... To show my children... I know mean huh... xx

Peta.com has some crazy sad videos :frown:

BrewerGeorge

I am not wrong in my thinking and I am not the only one that feels this way. Most of the hunger in this world is due to political conflicts.

These governmental organizations will have you believe that there is just not enough food in the world so they can continue to push their factory and GMO farming on you and others.
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And as for those Wicki articles, ANYONE can write and submit Wicki articles, so they are of barely any fact to me and most others.

With all due respect, this is not about how you feel. Frankly, that's your problem, you persist in believing your feelings and emotions on the subject rather than the facts.

The political hunger you keep bringing up is what we call a straw man argument. You've brought up the subject so you can argue it with yourself. I'm talking about whether traditional farming can feed the world's population. The current state of world hunger and how it's influenced by politics doesn't matter at all to that discussion. That's because the world currently - USING MODERN TECHNIQUES - produces enough food to feed itself. The fact that this food exists in the first place makes it possible for warlords to destroy or misdirect it and cause current hunger.

If not for the rest of the world using modern techniques and producing as much as 300 bushels of corn per acre (with similar largess in other crops), instead of the 12 bushels per acre that is average with 19th century methods you're talking about, warlords would have no food to steal. Americans and Europeans would be spending significant portions of their income on food, Asia and Africa would be starving to death, and there sure as hell wouldn't be much need for sites like MFP.

As for the wikipedia article I quoted about Norman Borlaug, there are FIFTY-SIX primary sources listed at the bottom. I'd list them all, but that would be rude.

Here's just one:
http://reason.com/archives/2000/04/01/billions-served-norman-borlaug

That fact that you won't read THAT either tells me it's time to stop wasting my time talking about this with you. You're obviously going to believe what your feelings tell you to believe in spite of any silly facts I may put forth. Have fun, and I sincerely hope that none of us ever have to experience the true tragedy that would result from your food fantasies.

I'm out.

pez1234

Watch the documentaries Fresh and Food Inc and you'll see why US food production is DANGEROUS, and farmers need subsidies to survive, those big dirty corporate greed tanks are screwing you people and the farmers forcing you to eat *kitten* food. Australia's not far behind by the way! While the makers of those docs have an axe to grind you can't deny the visual evidence. The fact is the further food needs to be transported, the more processing that takes place, the more it is handled, the greater the risk of contamination. Find local producers for seasonal fruit and vege, and try to find a local meat supplier to minimise the risk of bad food. I'm lucky enough to grow a lot of my own fruit and vege and have a local butcher who processes locally slaughtered beef and chicken.

Grokette

I am not wrong in my thinking and I am not the only one that feels this way. Most of the hunger in this world is due to political conflicts.

These governmental organizations will have you believe that there is just not enough food in the world so they can continue to push their factory and GMO farming on you and others.
...
And as for those Wicki articles, ANYONE can write and submit Wicki articles, so they are of barely any fact to me and most others.

With all due respect, this is not about how you feel. Frankly, that's your problem, you persist in believing your feelings and emotions on the subject rather than the facts.

The political hunger you keep bringing up is what we call a straw man argument. You've brought up the subject so you can argue it with yourself. I'm talking about whether traditional farming can feed the world's population. The current state of world hunger and how it's influenced by politics doesn't matter at all to that discussion. That's because the world currently - USING MODERN TECHNIQUES - produces enough food to feed itself. The fact that this food exists in the first place makes it possible for warlords to destroy or misdirect it and cause current hunger.

If not for the rest of the world using modern techniques and producing as much as 300 bushels of corn per acre (with similar largess in other crops), instead of the 12 bushels per acre that is average with 19th century methods you're talking about, warlords would have no food to steal. Americans and Europeans would be spending significant portions of their income on food, Asia and Africa would be starving to death, and there sure as hell wouldn't be much need for sites like MFP.

As for the wikipedia article I quoted about Norman Borlaug, there are FIFTY-SIX primary sources listed at the bottom. I'd list them all, but that would be rude.

Here's just one:
http://reason.com/archives/2000/04/01/billions-served-norman-borlaug

That fact that you won't read THAT either tells me it's time to stop wasting my time talking about this with you. You're obviously going to believe what your feelings tell you to believe in spite of any silly facts I may put forth. Have fun, and I sincerely hope that none of us ever have to experience the true tragedy that would result from your food fantasies.

I'm out.

I read through these and everything in them promotes factory and industrialized farming. YES traditional farming could feed the world as it did previously.

I didn't bring up the other argument. It was already brought up previously by another poster.