Enough calories but not too much sugar?
Kelseyyyy22
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I'm trying to gain weight, and pretty much no matter what I do I go waaaaay over on sugar, sometimes even without reaching my calorie goal. How do I fix this?
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Hard to tell without knowing what you eat, and it depends on the type of sugar too. The sugars in a peach and the sugars in a donut are totally different-anyone who says otherwise is a dirty dirty liar.0
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Where do most of your sugars come from? If its from a natural source I do not pay attention to it because I usually am getting many other nutrients with it :]0
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Fruit is high in sugar. Assuming you don't eat a bunch of cookies, cakes, candies, etc...consider limiting fruit to one or two servings per day and focusing more on veggies. Grains (like corn) can be deceptively high in sugar too so watch those.
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Hard to tell without knowing what you eat, and it depends on the type of sugar too. The sugars in a peach and the sugars in a donut are totally different-anyone who says otherwise is a dirty dirty liar.
LOL no anyone who says differently has taken a few nutrition courses. fruit sugar is not "healthier" than table sugar. Sugar is sugar. Its the source and the nutrients that come with it that matters.0 -
Fruit is high in sugar. Assuming you don't eat a bunch of cookies, cakes, candies, etc...consider limiting fruit to one or two servings per day and focusing more on veggies. Grains (like corn) can be deceptively high in sugar too so watch those.
Yup! I was surprised by corn actually. Sweet potatoes too of course :]0 -
Hard to tell without knowing what you eat, and it depends on the type of sugar too. The sugars in a peach and the sugars in a donut are totally different-anyone who says otherwise is a dirty dirty liar.
LOL no anyone who says differently has taken a few nutrition courses. fruit sugar is not "healthier" than table sugar. Sugar is sugar. Its the source and the nutrients that come with it that matters.
THANK YOU!
Your pancreas still sends out insulin when it's fructose just like it does for sucrose or glucose! That means you're going to have that adrenaline-fueled crash later regardless of whether you ate a cupcake or a couple bananas.
Sugar is sugar!0 -
You seem like the type that would believe the corn growers who claim high fructose corn syrup is ok and 'natural' because it come from corn.Hard to tell without knowing what you eat, and it depends on the type of sugar too. The sugars in a peach and the sugars in a donut are totally different-anyone who says otherwise is a dirty dirty liar.
LOL no anyone who says differently has taken a few nutrition courses. fruit sugar is not "healthier" than table sugar. Sugar is sugar. Its the source and the nutrients that come with it that matters.
OP-Why the obsession with sugar? We can all give our views and opinions, but as long as no one knows what you eat it's all futile, and even then really, all we can give are views and opinions.0 -
You seem like the type that would believe the corn growers who claim high fructose corn syrup is ok and 'natural' because it come from corn.
I beg to differ. No. She really doesn't seem like that kind of person at all. I'm surprised YOU don't believe that...0 -
Yes, because I said a peach was healthier than a donut...0
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No, actually. Because you said, "The sugars in a peach and the sugars in a donut are totally different-anyone who says otherwise is a dirty dirty liar."
But they aren't different when it comes to how your body responds to them. So anyone who says different isn't a "dirty dirty liar".
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May I ask a question here about the sugar in milk then. Is it processed the same way as fruit sugars?0
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I believe that if you do regular Cardio at least every other day it should help offset some of the sugar if you get your heart rate up high enough (80%+ MHR)?0
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After almost 7 months of successful maintenance (87 pounds down), I have found myself trying to gain and having the same difficulty of reaching my calorie goals without going over on sugar grams. I have to restrict my sugar consumption. I have had to cut way down on all fruits as well as the obvious things like candy, cookies, cakes, ice cream and the like. Berries seem to be okay and a few other fruits. But I, too agree. Sugar is sugar. This is a big problem for many of us. We struggle to gain a few pounds without going over on sugars and fats. Whole grains and nuts seem to contain the right fats and are calorie dense without sugars. Any other suggestions would be welcome! Good luck to you.0
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My natropath said to me that yes sugar is sugar. The fact that sugars in whole fruits have fibre counteracts and slows down the intake of the majority of the sugar. While a donut for instance has little fibre in it and goes straight to those parts of the body we don't like.(Fat)
But of course if you drink the juice of the fruit it also has little fibre in it and goes directly to your blood stream. (like a donut.)0 -
My natropath said to me that yes sugar is sugar. The fact that sugars in whole fruits have fibre counteracts and slows down the intake of the majority of the sugar. While a donut for instance has little fibre in it and goes straight to those parts of the body we don't like.(Fat)
But of course if you drink the juice of the fruit it also has little fibre in it and goes directly to your blood stream. (like a donut.)
Another difference between sugar in fruits and in sweets, is the amounts! Yes, your body responds to sugar the same no matter the source, but it's the amounts that really matter. So, an apple has about 13 gs of sugar. A piece of generic chocolate cake can have between 15-35gs of sugar, depending on recipe, icing, etc.
It's handling the large amounts of sugar in desserts and sweets that causes your body to crash and burn. I don't know about you, but I've never experienced a sugar crash after eating an apple.
Here's a pretty informative doc on the subject. It's from the 80's, so a little old, but it's kind of scary that we knew all this stuff about sugar way back then and still haven't really done anything about it:
http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/2011/08/21/before-sugar-the-bitter-truth/0 -
My natropath said to me that yes sugar is sugar. The fact that sugars in whole fruits have fibre counteracts and slows down the intake of the majority of the sugar. While a donut for instance has little fibre in it and goes straight to those parts of the body we don't like.(Fat)
But of course if you drink the juice of the fruit it also has little fibre in it and goes directly to your blood stream. (like a donut.)
Another difference between sugar in fruits and in sweets, is the amounts! Yes, your body responds to sugar the same no matter the source, but it's the amounts that really matter. So, an apple has about 13 gs of sugar. A piece of generic chocolate cake can have between 15-35gs of sugar, depending on recipe, icing, etc.
It's handling the large amounts of sugar in desserts and sweets that causes your body to crash and burn. I don't know about you, but I've never experienced a sugar crash after eating an apple.
Here's a pretty informative doc on the subject. It's from the 80's, so a little old, but it's kind of scary that we knew all this stuff about sugar way back then and still haven't really done anything about it:
http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/2011/08/21/before-sugar-the-bitter-truth/0 -
My natropath said to me that yes sugar is sugar. The fact that sugars in whole fruits have fibre counteracts and slows down the intake of the majority of the sugar. While a donut for instance has little fibre in it and goes straight to those parts of the body we don't like.(Fat)
But of course if you drink the juice of the fruit it also has little fibre in it and goes directly to your blood stream. (like a donut.)
Another difference between sugar in fruits and in sweets, is the amounts! Yes, your body responds to sugar the same no matter the source, but it's the amounts that really matter. So, an apple has about 13 gs of sugar. A piece of generic chocolate cake can have between 15-35gs of sugar, depending on recipe, icing, etc.
It's handling the large amounts of sugar in desserts and sweets that causes your body to crash and burn. I don't know about you, but I've never experienced a sugar crash after eating an apple.
Here's a pretty informative doc on the subject. It's from the 80's, so a little old, but it's kind of scary that we knew all this stuff about sugar way back then and still haven't really done anything about it:
http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/2011/08/21/before-sugar-the-bitter-truth/
I have never had a rollercoaster from eating an apple...........however, I have had a major insulin response after eating grapes, pineapple and mango and left me feeling worse than I had after eating a candy bar..............0 -
My natropath said to me that yes sugar is sugar. The fact that sugars in whole fruits have fibre counteracts and slows down the intake of the majority of the sugar. While a donut for instance has little fibre in it and goes straight to those parts of the body we don't like.(Fat)
But of course if you drink the juice of the fruit it also has little fibre in it and goes directly to your blood stream. (like a donut.)
Another difference between sugar in fruits and in sweets, is the amounts! Yes, your body responds to sugar the same no matter the source, but it's the amounts that really matter. So, an apple has about 13 gs of sugar. A piece of generic chocolate cake can have between 15-35gs of sugar, depending on recipe, icing, etc.
It's handling the large amounts of sugar in desserts and sweets that causes your body to crash and burn. I don't know about you, but I've never experienced a sugar crash after eating an apple.
Here's a pretty informative doc on the subject. It's from the 80's, so a little old, but it's kind of scary that we knew all this stuff about sugar way back then and still haven't really done anything about it:
http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/2011/08/21/before-sugar-the-bitter-truth/
I have never had a rollercoaster from eating an apple...........however, I have had a major insulin response after eating grapes, pineapple and mango and left me feeling worse than I had after eating a candy bar..............
Like everything, moderation is key! A cup worth of grapes, pineapple and even mango (although much sweeter) are all lower in sugar than most candy bars. But like everything, if you eat a lot of them, you're still eating a lot of sugar. My point was that one chocolate bar (let's say an Oh Henry! bar) has 32gs of sugar. A cup of grapes, pineapple, and mango have 15g, 14g, and 24g of sugar, respectively.0 -
I'm trying to gain weight, and pretty much no matter what I do I go waaaaay over on sugar, sometimes even without reaching my calorie goal. How do I fix this?
Eat more fat and protein. Cook with olive or canola oil. Drizzle olive oil over steamed veggies. Make your own salad/sandwich dressings with olive oil. Add nuts or nut butters to your dishes. Nuts contain lots of healthy fat and protien and are very high in calories.0 -
Hard to tell without knowing what you eat, and it depends on the type of sugar too. The sugars in a peach and the sugars in a donut are totally different-anyone who says otherwise is a dirty dirty liar.
LOL no anyone who says differently has taken a few nutrition courses. fruit sugar is not "healthier" than table sugar. Sugar is sugar. Its the source and the nutrients that come with it that matters.
This^^^
Sugar is sugar. The reason people assume that sugar from fruit is "good"
and sugar from a cookie is "bad" :devil: is that the fruit is more likely to meet other vitamin and nutrient needs 0 -
Hard to tell without knowing what you eat, and it depends on the type of sugar too. The sugars in a peach and the sugars in a donut are totally different-anyone who says otherwise is a dirty dirty liar.
LOL no anyone who says differently has taken a few nutrition courses. fruit sugar is not "healthier" than table sugar. Sugar is sugar. Its the source and the nutrients that come with it that matters.
This^^^
Sugar is sugar. The reason people assume that sugar from fruit is "good" and sugar from a cookie is "bad" :devil: is that the fruit is more likely to meet other vitamin and nutrient needs
Fructose, also called fruit sugar, was once a minor part of the American diet. A century ago, the average person took in about 15 grams a day (roughly half an ounce), mostly from eating fruits and vegetables. Today, we get more than triple that amount, almost all of it from the refined sugars and high-fructose corn syrup used to make breakfast cereals, pastries, soda and fruit drinks, and other sweet foods. Given the way the body breaks down fructose, that increase may be contributing to liver and heart disease, reports the September 2011 issue of the Harvard Heart Letter.
Liver cells are the only cells in the body that metabolize fructose. Surprisingly, fat is a key byproduct of the breakdown of fructose. Give the liver enough fructose, and tiny fat droplets begin to accumulate in the organ. This buildup is called nonalcoholic fatty liver disease. If it becomes severe enough, it can cause serious liver damage.
Cycling of fructose through the liver also elevates triglycerides in the bloodstream, increases harmful LDL (so-called “bad”) cholesterol, promotes the buildup of fat around organs (visceral fat), increases blood pressure, and causes other changes that are harmful to the arteries and heart. Two recent studies have linked higher intake of fructose with higher chances of developing or dying from heart disease.
Avoiding these problems doesn't mean giving up fruit, which is good for you. Instead, it is another good reason for avoiding sugary drinks and foods with added refined sugar or high-fructose corn syrup.
http://www.health.harvard.edu/press_releases/too-much-fructose-a-hazard-for-heart-health
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Alright I can admit some of you are correct and I misspoke in the sugar debate-perhaps to a point 'sugar is sugar'.
My point was more that it seems ridiculous to tell someone not to eat fruit, adn perhaps my body can handle more sugar than others. I have never felt these sugar highs and lows from eating fruit, that others speak of. From looking at my diary and a quick change to monitor my own sugar intake I saw I get about 15g a day over what MFP says. I know that it's all from fresh fruit (okay and prunes).
My opinion is that it depends on where the sugar is coming from and the the food in general that you are eating. I still stand by my thoughts that fruit is healthier than something like a donut.0 -
The thing that bums me out is the amount of sugar in orange juice. Even the 100% unsweetened is still loaded with sugars from the oranges. One thing of orange juice will put you over your sugar for the day. I only drink it for special treats now.0
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Alright I can admit some of you are correct and I misspoke in the sugar debate-perhaps to a point 'sugar is sugar'.
My point was more that it seems ridiculous to tell someone not to eat fruit, adn perhaps my body can handle more sugar than others. I have never felt these sugar highs and lows from eating fruit, that others speak of. From looking at my diary and a quick change to monitor my own sugar intake I saw I get about 15g a day over what MFP says. I know that it's all from fresh fruit (okay and prunes).
My opinion is that it depends on where the sugar is coming from and the the food in general that you are eating. I still stand by my thoughts that fruit is healthier than something like a donut.
There is not much room for argument there.0 -
Alright I can admit some of you are correct and I misspoke in the sugar debate-perhaps to a point 'sugar is sugar'.
My point was more that it seems ridiculous to tell someone not to eat fruit, adn perhaps my body can handle more sugar than others. I have never felt these sugar highs and lows from eating fruit, that others speak of. From looking at my diary and a quick change to monitor my own sugar intake I saw I get about 15g a day over what MFP says. I know that it's all from fresh fruit (okay and prunes).
My opinion is that it depends on where the sugar is coming from and the the food in general that you are eating. I still stand by my thoughts that fruit is healthier than something like a donut.
It'll give you other nutrients while the donut is mainly just sugar. Other then that it's all X amount of calories. They've proven time and time again to lose weight it's all about calories in. The problem is you still have basic nutrients your body needs to be healthy and you can get those easier eating natural products like fruit and vegetables. The sugars are still sugars and the health wise of the sugars their is no difference. The difference comes from the other items.0 -
You seem like the type that would believe the corn growers who claim high fructose corn syrup is ok and 'natural' because it come from corn.Hard to tell without knowing what you eat, and it depends on the type of sugar too. The sugars in a peach and the sugars in a donut are totally different-anyone who says otherwise is a dirty dirty liar.
LOL no anyone who says differently has taken a few nutrition courses. fruit sugar is not "healthier" than table sugar. Sugar is sugar. Its the source and the nutrients that come with it that matters.
OP-Why the obsession with sugar? We can all give our views and opinions, but as long as no one knows what you eat it's all futile, and even then really, all we can give are views and opinions.
HMMM as a junior in college going for my dietetics degree.... no. I don't believe that. haha xD0 -
Alright I can admit some of you are correct and I misspoke in the sugar debate-perhaps to a point 'sugar is sugar'.
My point was more that it seems ridiculous to tell someone not to eat fruit, adn perhaps my body can handle more sugar than others. I have never felt these sugar highs and lows from eating fruit, that others speak of. From looking at my diary and a quick change to monitor my own sugar intake I saw I get about 15g a day over what MFP says. I know that it's all from fresh fruit (okay and prunes).
My opinion is that it depends on where the sugar is coming from and the the food in general that you are eating. I still stand by my thoughts that fruit is healthier than something like a donut.
It'll give you other nutrients while the donut is mainly just sugar. Other then that it's all X amount of calories. They've proven time and time again to lose weight it's all about calories in. The problem is you still have basic nutrients your body needs to be healthy and you can get those easier eating natural products like fruit and vegetables. The sugars are still sugars and the health wise of the sugars their is no difference. The difference comes from the other items.
Well I'm glad you've figured this out.0 -
You seem like the type that would believe the corn growers who claim high fructose corn syrup is ok and 'natural' because it come from corn.Hard to tell without knowing what you eat, and it depends on the type of sugar too. The sugars in a peach and the sugars in a donut are totally different-anyone who says otherwise is a dirty dirty liar.
LOL no anyone who says differently has taken a few nutrition courses. fruit sugar is not "healthier" than table sugar. Sugar is sugar. Its the source and the nutrients that come with it that matters.
OP-Why the obsession with sugar? We can all give our views and opinions, but as long as no one knows what you eat it's all futile, and even then really, all we can give are views and opinions.
HMMM as a junior in college going for my dietetics degree.... no. I don't believe that. haha xD
That's good. I would have been disturbed if it were true.0 -
All this seems to have gotten way off topic of what the OP asked, which was suggestions for food that has high(er) calories without sugar. I still say fat and protein is the answer to that question.
But there is no one single answer to how sugar is digested. Sugar is processed differently in people with diabetes or insulin resistance than in those without it. It's even processed differently in those with type 1 diabetes than it is by those with type 2. There is some good information in this link if you are interested.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/carbohydrates-full-story/index.html#when-sugar-management0 -
Meh I only drink orange juice when vodka is involved.The thing that bums me out is the amount of sugar in orange juice. Even the 100% unsweetened is still loaded with sugars from the oranges. One thing of orange juice will put you over your sugar for the day. I only drink it for special treats now.0
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