Considering LowER Carb - suggestions?

PB67

find alternatives to switch (sweet potato mash instead of regular potato, for instance)

Why do you believe this?

scagneti

It's more the possibility of going into ketoacidosis that can happen from maintaining ketosis for too long. Not likely to happen, but, it does happen. This is from a medical perspective as I've seen it. I just generally don't think Atkins is healthy.

Ketoacidosis is the dangerous condition that happens to Diabetics who also have kidney issues. You are confusing ketosis and ketoacidosis.

Have you even looked at the recipes on the Atkins website to see what you are saying is simply not true?

The 20 grams of carbs are only for 2 weeks, then you start upping your carbs and adding in vegetables and then fruit, then nuts, dairy, grains, beans, etc.



By the way, I am not trying to push Atkins on you, I am just trying to educate on the misconceptions and stereotypes that are mentioned on these threads.

It is true that it is most common in diabetics (specifically moreso in Type 1 (IDDM)), but can also occur in an individual that remains in ketosis for too long (which probably isn't going to happen with Atkins, if you do follow the low carbs for just the first few weeks, but, some people, as we know, aren't that bright) I'm a nurse, trust me, I know the difference between the two. Is ketoacidosis likely to happen to a normal healthy person, no, it's not, but, it certainly can. Generally, your compensatory mechanisms kick in and correct any imbalance before that would happen. I understand the whole acid/base compromise and it's a very scary condition. Again, is it likely in a healthy person, no and I'm aware of that. Truthfully, I'm not all that well educated on Atkins, but, that's because, from what I know of it, and maybe I'm wrong, it seems to contain a lot of high fatty foods - not my thing. I guess I just don't feel it's a healthy diet, overall. (and, again, maybe I'm wrong here, but, didn't Dr. Atkins die of a heart attack?) That's all. That comes from nutrition classes and seeing people with many different health conditions r/t what they eat, etc. I'm not saying it's right or wrong for anyone in particular, to each his own, I'm just saying I don't necessarily think it's right for me.

If you're going to be concerned about everything that COULD happen, then you'd never leave the house. You can get sick off of chicken and veggies -- are you never going to eat those?

Dr. Atkins fell on ice and slammed his head against a sidewalk and died a week or two later at the age of 72. Don't think grains or buckets of fruit would have helped him much.

ETA: Here's his death certificate found with very minimal Googling: http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=lowcarbdiets&cdn=health&tm=46&gps=505_565_789_831&f=11&su=p284.12.336.ip_p1051.2.336.ip_&tt=2&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bloombergatkins1.html

sd101483

It's more the possibility of going into ketoacidosis that can happen from maintaining ketosis for too long. Not likely to happen, but, it does happen. This is from a medical perspective as I've seen it. I just generally don't think Atkins is healthy.

Ketoacidosis is the dangerous condition that happens to Diabetics who also have kidney issues. You are confusing ketosis and ketoacidosis.

Have you even looked at the recipes on the Atkins website to see what you are saying is simply not true?

The 20 grams of carbs are only for 2 weeks, then you start upping your carbs and adding in vegetables and then fruit, then nuts, dairy, grains, beans, etc.



By the way, I am not trying to push Atkins on you, I am just trying to educate on the misconceptions and stereotypes that are mentioned on these threads.

It is true that it is most common in diabetics (specifically moreso in Type 1 (IDDM)), but can also occur in an individual that remains in ketosis for too long (which probably isn't going to happen with Atkins, if you do follow the low carbs for just the first few weeks, but, some people, as we know, aren't that bright) I'm a nurse, trust me, I know the difference between the two. Is ketoacidosis likely to happen to a normal healthy person, no, it's not, but, it certainly can. Generally, your compensatory mechanisms kick in and correct any imbalance before that would happen. I understand the whole acid/base compromise and it's a very scary condition. Again, is it likely in a healthy person, no and I'm aware of that. Truthfully, I'm not all that well educated on Atkins, but, that's because, from what I know of it, and maybe I'm wrong, it seems to contain a lot of high fatty foods - not my thing. I guess I just don't feel it's a healthy diet, overall. (and, again, maybe I'm wrong here, but, didn't Dr. Atkins die of a heart attack?) That's all. That comes from nutrition classes and seeing people with many different health conditions r/t what they eat, etc. I'm not saying it's right or wrong for anyone in particular, to each his own, I'm just saying I don't necessarily think it's right for me.

If you're going to be concerned about everything that COULD happen, then you'd never leave the house. You can get sick off of chicken and veggies -- are you never going to eat those?

Dr. Atkins fell on ice and slammed his head against a sidewalk and died a few days later. Don't think grains or buckets of fruit would have helped him much.

You're RIGHT! You know, maybe I won't ever eat chicken and veggies again! Yeesh - not saying I'm really afraid, and, again, as I stated, I know it's not likely to happen. I've made my stance on it, that's my opinion, that's all.

I do believe it's time to abandon this thread now. I've received enough good advice, that I've made an informed decision.

Again, thank you to those that offered up your thoughts. Appreciated!

amycal

pretty sure my diary is open - you can check it out from past week. I started following a diet plan that a doctor outlined on last Wednesday. It is supposed to have 4 phases of 2 weeks each. I am going to switch to phase 2 after 10 days though. In phase 2 I can add in 1/2 cup steel cut oats and certain fruits. The current phase allows meat, certain veggies 1/2 - 1 cup of certain beans a day, avocado, walnuts, pinenuts and olive oil. I am using a Metagenics meal replacement drink 1x a day too. It is definitely high protein, high fat, low carb and I doubt I can eat this way forever but I was on a 4-5 month plateau and I want to lose more fat in my middle. This week I have lost almost 7 pounds and 2 inches off my stomach (just below belly button - fattest spot on me!)

I do workout too. Today I had a few people at the club tell me I am looking good so I am getting noticeable results fast. One lady said "I am melting away" of course it was hot in yoga so I really felt like I was melting LOL!

Grokette

It's more the possibility of going into ketoacidosis that can happen from maintaining ketosis for too long. Not likely to happen, but, it does happen. This is from a medical perspective as I've seen it. I just generally don't think Atkins is healthy.

Ketoacidosis is the dangerous condition that happens to Diabetics who also have kidney issues. You are confusing ketosis and ketoacidosis.

Have you even looked at the recipes on the Atkins website to see what you are saying is simply not true?

The 20 grams of carbs are only for 2 weeks, then you start upping your carbs and adding in vegetables and then fruit, then nuts, dairy, grains, beans, etc.



By the way, I am not trying to push Atkins on you, I am just trying to educate on the misconceptions and stereotypes that are mentioned on these threads.

It is true that it is most common in diabetics (specifically moreso in Type 1 (IDDM)), but can also occur in an individual that remains in ketosis for too long (which probably isn't going to happen with Atkins, if you do follow the low carbs for just the first few weeks, but, some people, as we know, aren't that bright) I'm a nurse, trust me, I know the difference between the two. Is ketoacidosis likely to happen to a normal healthy person, no, it's not, but, it certainly can. Generally, your compensatory mechanisms kick in and correct any imbalance before that would happen. I understand the whole acid/base compromise and it's a very scary condition. Again, is it likely in a healthy person, no and I'm aware of that. Truthfully, I'm not all that well educated on Atkins, but, that's because, from what I know of it, and maybe I'm wrong, it seems to contain a lot of high fatty foods - not my thing. I guess I just don't feel it's a healthy diet, overall. (and, again, maybe I'm wrong here, but, didn't Dr. Atkins die of a heart attack?) That's all. That comes from nutrition classes and seeing people with many different health conditions r/t what they eat, etc. I'm not saying it's right or wrong for anyone in particular, to each his own, I'm just saying I don't necessarily think it's right for me.

If that were true, then I should be well on the way to being dead or dead already. I am an otherwise healthy person with Diabetes due to complications of PCOS and I have been in ketosis for 8 months and well on my way to getting back off the medications that I was off of when I followed Atkins from Phase 1 (Induction) to Phase 4 (Maintenance) from 2003 - 2008 (had a car accident which wrecked my way of eating and way of life for a while).

Your way off base as a higher fat eating plan is found to be more healthful - as long as your not eating processed foods.

A way of eating that contains Natural fats (yes, animal fat and coconut oil, olive oil), moderate amounts of proteins and lots of green leafy vegetables is one of the healthiest and most natural way one can live.

And NO, Dr A did not die of a heart attack. He slipped on the ice and fell into a coma from head injuries.

Does this look unhealthy to you? This is how you would be eating with a low carb lifestyle - whether Atkins, Paleo, Primal, South Beach or make up your own plan.............

sd101483

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