Scary Crap. . ..

tigersword

So, what exactly is this "study" proving? Does it control for the fact that BT is a NATURALLY occurring bacterium, that can be found in various natural sources, beyond "evil conspiracy murderous corn?" What were the exact health symptoms that this study uncovered by this "toxin" (which isn't toxic to humans at all) traveling through the bloodstream before (presumably) being destroyed by the immune system and/or filtered out by the kidneys? How can any kind of accurate result be pulled from such a small sample size? Can we temper the outrageous fear mongering with a little common sense and critical thinking?

EDIT - OH, so this came from one of those "spam, fear mongering, conspiracy, let's just make stuff up to terrify people" emails... Ok, carry on then...

No it came from a caring FRIEND . . that knows getting the word out is very important. . I am studying nutrition. . so I find these kind of research based articles absolutely fascinating. . and feel that the public has a right to know what is being put in their food and what is in turn going into their bodies. . So any way that I can increase aweness of such things. . I am going to do so.

You're still ignoring the fact that BT toxin is a naturally occurring bacterium, and that the study in no way shows any kind of verifiable proof that corn is to blame for it, as you would have to do an exclusionary study that makes a point to exclude all potential sources of the bacteria in question.

_GlaDOS_

Actually - for people that think this is a joke (including Polar Bear facepalmers ) - it isn't. I personally wouldn't be preachy about it (responses to the OP are enough evidence as to why) but if we think there is absolutely no negative effects to the GMO stuff that we consume in mass quantities...then I think we might have our collective heads in the sand.

Now, it's time for my shake weight workout. :bigsmile:

Humans have been genetically modifying food for thousands of years, honestly. Cross breeding IS a form of genetic modification, as you are changing the basic gene structure of the original food source.

Cross-breeding is entirely different. With cross-breeding, you essentially can’t “transfer” genes across species barriers. Cross-breeding is done by nature, allowing the plant to regulate the expression of certain traits and mutations. Genetic engineering is the process of inserting new genes, often from other species, into plants to produce a specific trait. We do this in a lab, with things like gene guns. The process of inserting a new bacteria or virus into a plant is not precise or perfect by any means, and it is almost certainly going to cause the expression of new mutations, change the DNA of the plant, and produce unknown adverse effects in humans. We have co-evolved with our food for a reason. Messing with it will most certainly do harm. And you can’t forget the fact that nutrition and food research itself is incredibly difficult to do when you want to measure long-term probable harmful effects of food on human health.

The fact that all sorts of new and higher rates of certain illnesses have come about since we introduced GM crops into our food supply is by no means a coincidence. The evidence is there, and although the article here isn’t a very good interpretation of the actual study, it shouldn’t be ignored. There is some other research out there, as well as books and resources on GMOs if you want to educate yourself.

ThePhoenixRose

how is a 1000 word essay "in a nutshell"? those must be GIANT NUTS...

BondBomb

Actually - for people that think this is a joke (including Polar Bear facepalmers ) - it isn't. I personally wouldn't be preachy about it (responses to the OP are enough evidence as to why) but if we think there is absolutely no negative effects to the GMO stuff that we consume in mass quantities...then I think we might have our collective heads in the sand.

Now, it's time for my shake weight workout. :bigsmile:

Humans have been genetically modifying food for thousands of years, honestly. Cross breeding IS a form of genetic modification, as you are changing the basic gene structure of the original food source.

What makes you an expert?

I'm pretty sure you don't have to be an expert to state a well known fact.

scapez

Cross-breeding is entirely different. With cross-breeding, you essentially can’t “transfer” genes across species barriers. Cross-breeding is done by nature, allowing the plant to regulate the expression of certain traits and mutations. Genetic engineering is the process of inserting new genes, often from other species, into plants to produce a specific trait. We do this in a lab, with things like gene guns. The process of inserting a new bacteria or virus into a plant is not precise or perfect by any means, and it is almost certainly going to cause the expression of new mutations, change the DNA of the plant, and produce unknown adverse effects in humans. We have co-evolved with our food for a reason. Messing with it will most certainly do harm. And you can’t forget the fact that nutrition and food research itself is incredibly difficult to do when you want to measure long-term probable harmful effects of food on human health.

The fact that all sorts of new and higher rates of certain illnesses have come about since we introduced GM crops into our food supply is by no means a coincidence. The evidence is there, and although the article here isn’t a very good interpretation of the actual study, it shouldn’t be ignored. There is some other research out there, as well as books and resources on GMOs if you want to educate yourself.

Very well said.

The bottom line is, people want to believe what the FDA says as concrete truth and look no further. Any alternative evidence, if it upsets the 'norm', is shunned and ridiculed.

BondBomb

Actually - for people that think this is a joke (including Polar Bear facepalmers ) - it isn't. I personally wouldn't be preachy about it (responses to the OP are enough evidence as to why) but if we think there is absolutely no negative effects to the GMO stuff that we consume in mass quantities...then I think we might have our collective heads in the sand.

Now, it's time for my shake weight workout. :bigsmile:

Humans have been genetically modifying food for thousands of years, honestly. Cross breeding IS a form of genetic modification, as you are changing the basic gene structure of the original food source.

Cross-breeding is entirely different. With cross-breeding, you essentially can’t “transfer” genes across species barriers. Cross-breeding is done by nature, allowing the plant to regulate the expression of certain traits and mutations. Genetic engineering is the process of inserting new genes, often from other species, into plants to produce a specific trait. We do this in a lab, with things like gene guns. The process of inserting a new bacteria or virus into a plant is not precise or perfect by any means, and it is almost certainly going to cause the expression of new mutations, change the DNA of the plant, and produce unknown adverse effects in humans. We have co-evolved with our food for a reason. Messing with it will most certainly do harm. And you can’t forget the fact that nutrition and food research itself is incredibly difficult to do when you want to measure long-term probable harmful effects of food on human health.

The fact that all sorts of new and higher rates of certain illnesses have come about since we introduced GM crops into our food supply is by no means a coincidence. The evidence is there, and although the article here isn’t a very good interpretation of the actual study, it shouldn’t be ignored. There is some other research out there, as well as books and resources on GMOs if you want to educate yourself.

I believe all he said was that it was a form of genetic modification. Which it is.

StrengthIsBeautiful

I'll tell you what's some scary crap-- Lunesta.

scapez

I'll tell you what's some scary crap-- Lunesta.

I would take it if I had those cool glowy translucent butterflies come into my room at night. Talk about trippin'!

_GlaDOS_

Actually - for people that think this is a joke (including Polar Bear facepalmers ) - it isn't. I personally wouldn't be preachy about it (responses to the OP are enough evidence as to why) but if we think there is absolutely no negative effects to the GMO stuff that we consume in mass quantities...then I think we might have our collective heads in the sand.

Now, it's time for my shake weight workout. :bigsmile:

Humans have been genetically modifying food for thousands of years, honestly. Cross breeding IS a form of genetic modification, as you are changing the basic gene structure of the original food source.

Cross-breeding is entirely different. With cross-breeding, you essentially can’t “transfer” genes across species barriers. Cross-breeding is done by nature, allowing the plant to regulate the expression of certain traits and mutations. Genetic engineering is the process of inserting new genes, often from other species, into plants to produce a specific trait. We do this in a lab, with things like gene guns. The process of inserting a new bacteria or virus into a plant is not precise or perfect by any means, and it is almost certainly going to cause the expression of new mutations, change the DNA of the plant, and produce unknown adverse effects in humans. We have co-evolved with our food for a reason. Messing with it will most certainly do harm. And you can’t forget the fact that nutrition and food research itself is incredibly difficult to do when you want to measure long-term probable harmful effects of food on human health.

The fact that all sorts of new and higher rates of certain illnesses have come about since we introduced GM crops into our food supply is by no means a coincidence. The evidence is there, and although the article here isn’t a very good interpretation of the actual study, it shouldn’t be ignored. There is some other research out there, as well as books and resources on GMOs if you want to educate yourself.

I believe all he said was that it was a form of genetic modification. Which it is.

True, but they are most certainly not the same type of genetic modification.

_GlaDOS_

So, what exactly is this "study" proving? Does it control for the fact that BT is a NATURALLY occurring bacterium, that can be found in various natural sources, beyond "evil conspiracy murderous corn?" What were the exact health symptoms that this study uncovered by this "toxin" (which isn't toxic to humans at all) traveling through the bloodstream before (presumably) being destroyed by the immune system and/or filtered out by the kidneys? How can any kind of accurate result be pulled from such a small sample size? Can we temper the outrageous fear mongering with a little common sense and critical thinking?

EDIT - OH, so this came from one of those "spam, fear mongering, conspiracy, let's just make stuff up to terrify people" emails... Ok, carry on then...

No it came from a caring FRIEND . . that knows getting the word out is very important. . I am studying nutrition. . so I find these kind of research based articles absolutely fascinating. . and feel that the public has a right to know what is being put in their food and what is in turn going into their bodies. . So any way that I can increase aweness of such things. . I am going to do so.

You're still ignoring the fact that BT toxin is a naturally occurring bacterium, and that the study in no way shows any kind of verifiable proof that corn is to blame for it, as you would have to do an exclusionary study that makes a point to exclude all potential sources of the bacteria in question.

There are also different types of Bt toxin. It is also one thing for a plant to produce a naturally occurring Bt toxin from the soil it is grown from, as opposed to genetically modifying the seed to produce the toxin in larger amounts by itself.

BondBomb

Humans have been genetically modifying food for thousands of years, honestly. Cross breeding IS a form of genetic modification, as you are changing the basic gene structure of the original food source.

Cross-breeding is entirely different. With cross-breeding, you essentially can’t “transfer” genes across species barriers. Cross-breeding is done by nature, allowing the plant to regulate the expression of certain traits and mutations. Genetic engineering is the process of inserting new genes, often from other species, into plants to produce a specific trait. We do this in a lab, with things like gene guns. The process of inserting a new bacteria or virus into a plant is not precise or perfect by any means, and it is almost certainly going to cause the expression of new mutations, change the DNA of the plant, and produce unknown adverse effects in humans. We have co-evolved with our food for a reason. Messing with it will most certainly do harm. And you can’t forget the fact that nutrition and food research itself is incredibly difficult to do when you want to measure long-term probable harmful effects of food on human health.

The fact that all sorts of new and higher rates of certain illnesses have come about since we introduced GM crops into our food supply is by no means a coincidence. The evidence is there, and although the article here isn’t a very good interpretation of the actual study, it shouldn’t be ignored. There is some other research out there, as well as books and resources on GMOs if you want to educate yourself.

I believe all he said was that it was a form of genetic modification. Which it is.

True, but they are most certainly not the same type of genetic modification.
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No one said it was.

Thomasm198

Now this is scary crap:

HMonsterX

Yeah, you should post this everywhere to increase awareness.
:flowerforyou:

Thanks. . yes. . I got it in my email. . I am going to post it on FB as well. . that is so aweful~

Sarcasm missed...

Correction. . sarcasm ignored as it is a very serious subject and not really funny!

You already posted this in the nutrition thread. Does it really also belong in "Chit chat, fun, and games?"

Jade_Butterfly

Yeah, you should post this everywhere to increase awareness.
:flowerforyou:

Thanks. . yes. . I got it in my email. . I am going to post it on FB as well. . that is so aweful~

Sarcasm missed...

Correction. . sarcasm ignored as it is a very serious subject and not really funny!

You already posted this in the nutrition thread. Does it really also belong in "Chit chat, fun, and games?"

Why not. . obviously everyone is having a good CHIT-CHAT about GMOs. . so I feel it was successful! Have a nice day!

ninerbuff

One study isn't enough to conclude anything (if that were true then HCG should be the magic pill). Post some opposition studies by peer reviewed sources.

We've had BT in food for years now. We've had genetically modified foods since the early 1900's.

_GlaDOS_

One study isn't enough to conclude anything (if that were true then HCG should be the magic pill). Post some opposition studies by peer reviewed sources.

We've had BT in food for years now. We've had genetically modified foods since the early 1900's.

Posting one study does not mean it is the only study.

People also seem to not understand that when you patent your genetically modified seeds, you also control the research that is done on those seeds. Meaning, limited to no access to the actual seeds means less independently produced and reviewed studies. You also miss the politics and corruption that occurred between the FDA and the producers of the seeds during the time GM seeds were initially being reviewed for human consumption.

If you've done your own research on HCG, I suggest doing your own on GMOs.

VegGrrl

Monsanto (and all other Big Ag) is the Devil!! Some folks make fun of those who eat organic, but there's more to it than just chemical fertilizers and pesticides - GMOs are just not good for anyone or anything.


Stop the subsidies and let there be a resurgence of small farms and food processors...

Jade_Butterfly

Monsanto (and all other Big Ag) is the Devil!! Some folks make fun of those who eat organic, but there's more to it than just chemical fertilizers and pesticides - GMOs are just not good for anyone or anything.


Stop the subsidies and let there be a resurgence of small farms and food processors...

I absolutely wholeheartedly agree. .I am all for community gardens and things of this nature. . then at least we know what is in our food.

Gigi_licious

I have no idea what you just said.....mainly because I don't care. And because that's a whole lotta words. I'm at work, this is my relax time. Shorter post next time please and thank you.

Thomasm198

I absolutely wholeheartedly agree. .I am all for community gardens and things of this nature. . then at least we know what is in our food.

Jade_Butterfly

I absolutely wholeheartedly agree. .I am all for community gardens and things of this nature. . then at least we know what is in our food.

Yeppers and proud!

BeeElMarvin

Dr. Mercola is sort of a quack ... In my opinion.

hikeout470

Actually - for people that think this is a joke (including Polar Bear facepalmers ) - it isn't. I personally wouldn't be preachy about it (responses to the OP are enough evidence as to why) but if we think there is absolutely no negative effects to the GMO stuff that we consume in mass quantities...then I think we might have our collective heads in the sand.

Now, it's time for my shake weight workout. :bigsmile:

Humans have been genetically modifying food for thousands of years, honestly. Cross breeding IS a form of genetic modification, as you are changing the basic gene structure of the original food source.

What makes you an expert?

Are you trying to deny that cross breeding different species with different gene structures in order to obtain a different food with different genetic traits is genetic modification? Because it is. The entire history of genetics and the study of the human genome started when Gregor Mendel started studying the genetic changes caused by cross pollinating different fruits and flowers, which humans have been doing for thousands of years with many different plants and animals. Take the various breeds of dogs, carefully bred with multiple species over multiple generations to combine genetic traits for a certain task. Or the fact that farmers genetically bred the bitterness out of cucumbers over several generations until they got what we now know as the current cucumber.

Did you know some carrots are purple? The familiar orange color is due to cross breeding, which raised the level of beta carotene (which is bright orange.) These are all examples of genetic modification.

OK, I am not a scientist. And my question was literal, not sarcastic. I know from reading the book that Monsanto is not trying to produce a better, more nutrition food. They are trying to take over the world's food supply and make lots of money. These genetic experiments (ie mating fish with tomatoes using laboratory tools) were introduced to the United States food supply by method of corrupt politics. No one ever posted a sign in the produce department labeling them. Many European countries will not allow the sale of these products. So, kudos to the OP for spreading awareness on this very important topic!

Oh and for you jokers out there, you really should read the stories of farmers experiments with these foods. The animals turn away from the modified feed and will only eat it after all of the non modified feeds is gone, same with geese and other birds / animals.

Jade_Butterfly

Actually - for people that think this is a joke (including Polar Bear facepalmers ) - it isn't. I personally wouldn't be preachy about it (responses to the OP are enough evidence as to why) but if we think there is absolutely no negative effects to the GMO stuff that we consume in mass quantities...then I think we might have our collective heads in the sand.

Now, it's time for my shake weight workout. :bigsmile:

Humans have been genetically modifying food for thousands of years, honestly. Cross breeding IS a form of genetic modification, as you are changing the basic gene structure of the original food source.

What makes you an expert?

Are you trying to deny that cross breeding different species with different gene structures in order to obtain a different food with different genetic traits is genetic modification? Because it is. The entire history of genetics and the study of the human genome started when Gregor Mendel started studying the genetic changes caused by cross pollinating different fruits and flowers, which humans have been doing for thousands of years with many different plants and animals. Take the various breeds of dogs, carefully bred with multiple species over multiple generations to combine genetic traits for a certain task. Or the fact that farmers genetically bred the bitterness out of cucumbers over several generations until they got what we now know as the current cucumber.

Did you know some carrots are purple? The familiar orange color is due to cross breeding, which raised the level of beta carotene (which is bright orange.) These are all examples of genetic modification.

OK, I am not a scientist. And my question was literal, not sarcastic. I know from reading the book that Monsanto is not trying to produce a better, more nutrition food. They are trying to take over the world's food supply and make lots of money. These genetic experiments (ie mating fish with tomatoes using laboratory tools) were introduced to the United States food supply by method of corrupt politics. No one ever posted a sign in the produce department labeling them. Many European countries will not allow the sale of these products. So, kudos to the OP for spreading awareness on this very important topic!

Oh and for you jokers out there, you really should read the stories of farmers experiments with these foods. The animals turn away from the modified feed and will only eat it after all of the non modified feeds is gone, same with geese and other birds / animals.

You are absolutely correct. . they could require Monsanto corp to label products as GMO. . . so that is when many foods started getting labeled as non-GMO. . . But yes it is scary when you read that they were injecting nuts into the tomatos to improve the color. . so Hmmm wonder what that does for people with nut allergies?