No White At Night (diet)
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Food is really much more delicous without plopping it on a bed of noodles or rice or smashing it between two slices of bread. Just my opinion of course.You shouldnt eat any of those "white carbs" ever...
why not?
To increase micronutrient density while staying within a calorie limit. Not everyone on this site has weight loss as their only goal. (But yes, I realize that some people do. So, eat whatever. I don't care and I'm not the one saying "should" or "shouldn't." Just saying there are plenty of reasons a person might want to limit "white carbs" all the time.)
Saying "you shouldn't ever" is a powerful statement.
No it isn't. It's better on white rice.
Just my opinion of course.
And that's a good thing. BecauseI prefer my food swimming in fat.0 -
that's hillarious! lol.0 -
Probably not but, off hand, I don't know of any "white carbs" that are true "all stars" in terms of nutrient density. And, just guessing here, I think that even when a "white carb" has a certain amount of vitamins and minerals, one could probably find other food sources where those micronutrients are greater. Were you thinking of some food in particular?
To increase micronutrient density while staying within a calorie limit.
Genuine question, are all white carb sources less nutrient dense than non-white carbs?
I don't avoid all white carbs, personally. (Just had some white potatoes this morning.) I think it is just a rule of thumb that tends to make choosing more nutrient-dense foods easier.0 -
You shouldnt eat any of those "white carbs" ever...
why not?
To increase micronutrient density while staying within a calorie limit. Not everyone on this site has weight loss as their only goal. (But yes, I realize that some people do. So, eat whatever. I don't care and I'm not the one saying "should" or "shouldn't." Just saying there are plenty of reasons a person might want to limit "white carbs" all the time.)
Saying "you shouldn't ever" is a powerful statement.
Someone had to do it. Really though...if someone has the idea to not eat white carbs (or brown carbs, IMO they're equally bad for ME) at night, then maybe they should try not eating them at all and see how much better it CAN work for them. Food is really much more delicous without plopping it on a bed of noodles or rice or smashing it between two slices of bread. Just my opinion of course.
Everyone's taste buds are different :] I agree somewhat, I do like tortillas and rice too much i think xD
I don't really find either bad, just a personal preference0 -
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Probably not but, off hand, I don't know of any "white carbs" that are true "all stars" in terms of nutrient density. And, just guessing here, I think that even when a "white carb" has a certain amount of vitamins and minerals, one could probably find other food sources where those micronutrients are greater. Where you thinking of something in particular?
I don't avoid all white carbs, personally. (Just had some white potatoes this morning.) I think it is just a rule of thumb that tends to make choosing more nutrient-dense foods easier.
No, I don't have any particular foods in mind, but I think it's important that people see the difference between selecting nutrient dense foods (a very valid premise) and avoiding white carbs due to GI or something else that's not-important for the majority.
In the context of a varied diet with the presence of mostly whole-food choices, chances are good that micronutrient sufficiency will be met, and at some point, selecting some foods that aren't nutrient dense isn't going to hurt in the slightest.
So in short, I agree with your premise and I think it's strategically smart to select nutrient dense foods "most" of the time, I just wouldn't word it as "avoid white carbs". Wasn't your original wording, just making the point regardless.
It would be interesting to compare white to brown carbs, strictly looking at nutrient profile. I would bet they aren't too far off, but I don't know for sure.0 -
Probably not but, off hand, I don't know of any "white carbs" that are true "all stars" in terms of nutrient density. And, just guessing here, I think that even when a "white carb" has a certain amount of vitamins and minerals, one could probably find other food sources where those micronutrients are greater. Where you thinking of something in particular?
I don't avoid all white carbs, personally. (Just had some white potatoes this morning.) I think it is just a rule of thumb that tends to make choosing more nutrient-dense foods easier.
No, I don't have any particular foods in mind, but I think it's important that people see the difference between selecting nutrient dense foods (a very valid premise) and avoiding white carbs due to GI or something else that's not-important for the majority.
In the context of a varied diet with the presence of mostly whole-food choices, chances are good that micronutrient sufficiency will be met, and at some point, selecting some foods that aren't nutrient dense isn't going to hurt in the slightest.
So in short, I agree with your premise and I think it's strategically smart to select nutrient dense foods "most" of the time, I just wouldn't word it as "avoid white carbs". Wasn't your original wording, just making the point regardless.
It would be interesting to compare white to brown carbs, strictly looking at nutrient profile. I would bet they aren't too far off, but I don't know for sure.
Brown medium grain rice: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5710/2
White medium grain rice: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5718/2
I didn't actually look at the nutrient breakdown, this is just a courtesy.
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Understood. And yeah, I tend to agree with you on your last point/hypothesis. I generally limit "brown carbs" too (for various health-related reasons such as controlling what seems to be hypoglycemia) but I think a lot of them aren't really that great in terms of nutrition-for-their-calorie-content. Usually better than "white carbs" but still not the amazing superfoods they tend to be made out to be (at least in my mind). Some can be pretty good, but I think there tend to be better non-carb or non-starchy-carb sources of the same micronutrients. For example (I made this point on another thread awhile ago) look at sprouted grain bread compared with beef liver:Probably not but, off hand, I don't know of any "white carbs" that are true "all stars" in terms of nutrient density. And, just guessing here, I think that even when a "white carb" has a certain amount of vitamins and minerals, one could probably find other food sources where those micronutrients are greater. Where you thinking of something in particular?
I don't avoid all white carbs, personally. (Just had some white potatoes this morning.) I think it is just a rule of thumb that tends to make choosing more nutrient-dense foods easier.
No, I don't have any particular foods in mind, but I think it's important that people see the difference between selecting nutrient dense foods (a very valid premise) and avoiding white carbs due to GI or something else that's not-important for the majority.
In the context of a varied diet with the presence of mostly whole-food choices, chances are good that micronutrient sufficiency will be met, and at some point, selecting some foods that aren't nutrient dense isn't going to hurt in the slightest.
So in short, I agree with your premise and I think it's strategically smart to select nutrient dense foods "most" of the time, I just wouldn't word it as "avoid white carbs". Wasn't your original wording, just making the point regardless.
It would be interesting to compare white to brown carbs, strictly looking at nutrient profile. I would bet they aren't too far off, but I don't know for sure.
Of course, not a lot of people want to eat liver these days (I mix it in with my ground beef and can't even taste it). The main point being, brown carbs or white carbs, I eat them because I want them (or need some more calories), not because I think they are super nutritious (in general).0 -
The main point being, brown carbs or white carbs, I eat them because I want them (or need some more calories), not because I think they are super nutritious (in general).
^ Good statement.0 -
Probably not but, off hand, I don't know of any "white carbs" that are true "all stars" in terms of nutrient density. And, just guessing here, I think that even when a "white carb" has a certain amount of vitamins and minerals, one could probably find other food sources where those micronutrients are greater. Where you thinking of something in particular?
I don't avoid all white carbs, personally. (Just had some white potatoes this morning.) I think it is just a rule of thumb that tends to make choosing more nutrient-dense foods easier.
No, I don't have any particular foods in mind, but I think it's important that people see the difference between selecting nutrient dense foods (a very valid premise) and avoiding white carbs due to GI or something else that's not-important for the majority.
In the context of a varied diet with the presence of mostly whole-food choices, chances are good that micronutrient sufficiency will be met, and at some point, selecting some foods that aren't nutrient dense isn't going to hurt in the slightest.
So in short, I agree with your premise and I think it's strategically smart to select nutrient dense foods "most" of the time, I just wouldn't word it as "avoid white carbs". Wasn't your original wording, just making the point regardless.
It would be interesting to compare white to brown carbs, strictly looking at nutrient profile. I would bet they aren't too far off, but I don't know for sure.
Brown medium grain rice: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5710/2
White medium grain rice: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5718/2
I didn't actually look at the nutrient breakdown, this is just a courtesy.
look at some of the studies on possible anti nutritional factors in brown rice and research on phytic acid and it's effect on absorption of minerals in the body0 -
look at some of the studies on possible anti nutritional factors in brown rice and research on phytic acid and it's effect on absorption of minerals in the body
Got any links offhand?0 -
Here's one (that I have, honestly, only skimmed, but I've had it on my Kindle for awhile, so maybe the next time I am on a flight....):
look at some of the studies on possible anti nutritional factors in brown rice and research on phytic acid and it's effect on absorption of minerals in the body
Got any links offhand?
http://www.direct-ms.org/pdf/EvolutionPaleolithic/Cereal Sword.pdf
It's a review, not primary research.0 -
look at some of the studies on possible anti nutritional factors in brown rice and research on phytic acid and it's effect on absorption of minerals in the body
Got any links offhand?
Comparison of the nutritional value between brown rice and white rice
Callegaro Mda D, Tirapegui J. Arq Gastroenterol. 1996 Oct-Dec;33(4):225-31.
Cereals are considered an important source of nutrients both in human and animal nourishment. In this paper nutritional value of brown rice is compared to that of white rice in relation to nutrients. Results show that despite higher nutrients contents of brown rice compared to white rice, experimental data does not provide evidence that the brown rice diet is better than the diet based on white rice. Possible antinutritional factors present in brown rice have adverse effects on bioavailability of this cereal nutrients.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9302338
Effects of brown rice on apparent digestibility and balance of nutrients in young men on low protein diets
J Nutr Sci Vitaminol (Tokyo). 1987 Jun;33(3):207-18. .Miyoshi H, Okuda T, Okuda K, Koishi H.
The effect of brown rice with low protein intake was studied in five healthy young men. Feces were weighed, the digestibility of nutrients was determined, and blood tests were made. Each subject followed a diet consisting mainly of polished rice for 14 days and one consisting mainly of brown rice for 8 days. Both diets contained 0.5 g protein per kg of body weight. The brown rice diet had 3 times as much dietary fiber as the polished rice diet. On the brown rice diet, fecal weight increased, and apparent digestibility of energy, protein, and fat decreased, as did the absorption rates of Na, K, and P. The nitrogen balance was negative on both diets, but more negative on the brown rice diet. The phosphorus balance on the brown rice diet was significantly negative, but other minerals were not affected by the diet. The levels of cholesterol and minerals in the plasma were not significantly different on the polished rice diet and the brown rice diet. Comparing these results with data on standard protein intake (Miyoshi, H. et al (1986) J. Nutr. Sci. Vitaminol., 32, 581-589.), we concluded that brown rice reduced protein digestibility and nitrogen balance.
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Thanks! I will check those links.
EDIT: Interesting. Curious if Alan Aragon has ever commented/reviewed this.0 -
I might be mistaken, but I was under the impression that Alan Aragon was mostly in the business of debunking/reviewing research related to fat loss and muscle building, not research related to more general health and disease prevention (the two can overlap, but not necessarily).
Thanks! I will check those links.
EDIT: Interesting. Curious if Alan Aragon has ever commented/reviewed this.0 -
Thanks! I will check those links.
EDIT: Interesting. Curious if Alan Aragon has ever commented/reviewed this.
he has, that's where i found the links from
there was a debate on the superiority of brown rice to white rice and he chimed in0 -
I might be mistaken, but I was under the impression that Alan Aragon was mostly in the business of debunking/reviewing research related to fat loss, not research related to more general health and disease prevention (the two can overlap, but not necessarily).
He's into debunking a pretty wide array of dietary myths, and because GI typically comes up in some bro-circles of bodybuilding, it wouldn't surprise me if this one crossed his path. No idea though, I'm just curious because I enjoy Alan's approach.0 -
Thanks! I will check those links.
EDIT: Interesting. Curious if Alan Aragon has ever commented/reviewed this.
he has, that's where i found the links from
there was a debate on the superiority of brown rice to white rice and he chimed in
Sorry I keep asking you for links but can if this happened over at bb.com can you send me the forum link? Would really like to read it. It actually sounds somewhat familiar.0 -
Cool. Yeah, I have read some of his stuff, but I don't subscribe to his big lit reviews (or whatever they are). That review I linked to has a 300+ item reference section, too, so there's a lot of research out there if you want to dig in. :happy:
I might be mistaken, but I was under the impression that Alan Aragon was mostly in the business of debunking/reviewing research related to fat loss, not research related to more general health and disease prevention (the two can overlap, but not necessarily).
He's into debunking a pretty wide array of dietary myths, and because GI typically comes up in some bro-circles of bodybuilding, it wouldn't surprise me if this one crossed his path. No idea though, I'm just curious because I enjoy Alan's approach.
Edit: To the OP, sorry if we've hijacked your thread!0 -
That review I linked to has a 300+ item reference section, too, so there's a lot of research out there if you want to dig in. :happy:
I'm sifting through it actually. I've come accross some of them in various paleo debates, most of which end up in flaming e-battles. I'm not a fan of paleo or Loren in particular, but I'm definitely interested in reading peer reviewed research so in that regard I'm checking out the massive list at the end of that .pdf. Thanks for linking it.0 -
This is definitely silly. I worked with a woman whose husband was on a diet where he couldn't eat carbohydrates at all EXCEPT FOR AFTER 5PM. That makes just about as much sense as the other way around, to me.0
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I have no doubt the discussions have ended in flame wars. I linked to it because it has such a massive reference section in one place and the charts looked pretty informative, too. I'd like to know what someone more versed in human biology and nutrition, etc. have to say because I am certainly not.That review I linked to has a 300+ item reference section, too, so there's a lot of research out there if you want to dig in. :happy:
I'm sifting through it actually. I've come accross some of them in various paleo debates, most of which end up in flaming e-battles. I'm not a fan of paleo or Loren in particular, but I'm definitely interested in reading peer reviewed research so in that regard I'm checking out the massive list at the end of that .pdf. Thanks for linking it.0 -
This is a silly restriction. You can wake up in the middle of the night and eat wonderbread, and as long as it fits your macros, you will be fine.
I keep a slice of white bread on my nightstand.0 -
This is definitely silly. I worked with a woman whose husband was on a diet where he couldn't eat carbohydrates at all EXCEPT FOR AFTER 5PM. That makes just about as much sense as the other way around, to me.
LOL. Never heard of something like this but it's equally ridiculous.
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It's simple, really. Eat what you want, when you want, as long as it fits into your overall nutritional needs.0
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I try and have all of my carbs for the day in the mornings, I find they get the motors burning and keep my metabolism up through the day when I'm busy and burning calories..... I try avoid ALL carbs after 5pm if I can at all help it....
How do you know it keeps your metabolism up?
I find when I eat my carbs in the morning I have more energy during the day and don't feel sluggish If I don't eat some carbs I feel drained........ If I DO eat carbs at night, I feel bloated, and sluggish the next day..... I'm not saying it's true for everyone..... but if we could all eat the same way and look the same we wouldn't be in here 0
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