Weights first ... cardio second

Fitness_Chick
Fitness_Chick Posts: 6,648 Member
edited September 19 in Fitness and Exercise
Weights first ... cardio second


Do you lift weights and do cardio in the same session? If at all
possible, try to break 'em up to different sessions. But if you're
busy like most folks, perhaps you find yourself having to do weights
and cardio at the same time.

Here's a mistake that many people make: they do cardio and then do
their weight lifting. If your goal is to get firm and burn fat, you
should do weights first and THEN do cardio.

Why?

Because by doing weights first and then cardio, you're ordering them
in such a way that you get maximum benefit.

The goal of weight lifting is to build some muscle, right? Well in
order to lift heavy weights and stimulate muscle growth, you need
energy. And one good form of energy is the glycogen in your liver
(this is basically the result of eating energy-packed carbohydrates).
The glycogen will give you the energy you need to have a good, heavy
workout. Afterall, if you aren't pushing yourself to your limits
while lifting those weights, your muscles won't grow. Simple as that.


Now stick with me here, it gets better: once your glycogen stores are
depleted, your body starts burning fat for fuel.

Ding, ding, ding...that's what you want, right?

Well yes. So THAT'S why you need to do weights first, and then
cardio...


You see, when you do weights first, your body will use the glycogen
so you can get a heavy workout. That's good. By the time you get to
the cardio portion of your session, the glycogen is probably depleted
and your body is now burning fat for energy. Hence your cardio
session becomes a fat burning sesssion nearly immediately!

Weights before cardio -- that's the *right* way to do it.

So what happens if you do it the other way? You're almost wasting
your time -- or minimally, your workout isn't as effective as it
could be.

You see, if you start off with a cardio session, it will probably
take 20-30 minutes before your glycogen stores are depleted and
you're burning fat for energy. So chances are, you spent most of yoru
cardio session just trying to deplete your energy stores before you
even got to the fat burning part of your workout!

Now here you are with depleted glycogen stores (read: depleted
energy) and you go hit the weights. What happens? You're not lifting
to your full capacity. And when you don't lift to your full capacity,
you aren't doing your body any favors. You need to constantly push
yourself under the weights if you want to stimulate muscle growth.

So if you do cardio and then weights, you have a cardio session that
burns glycogen rather than fat, and a weight session that's probably
inadequate.

But if you do weights and THEN cardio, you'll be strong and fresh for
the weights, and you'll be burning fat during cardio.

[note: yes, you CAN and should do a "warm up" cardio session before
weights. But in that case, I'm talking about 5-10 minutes, not a full-
blown session)


from: http://transformforwomen.blogspot.com/2005/03/weights-first-
cardio-second.html
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  • Fitness_Chick
    Fitness_Chick Posts: 6,648 Member
    Weights first ... cardio second


    Do you lift weights and do cardio in the same session? If at all
    possible, try to break 'em up to different sessions. But if you're
    busy like most folks, perhaps you find yourself having to do weights
    and cardio at the same time.

    Here's a mistake that many people make: they do cardio and then do
    their weight lifting. If your goal is to get firm and burn fat, you
    should do weights first and THEN do cardio.

    Why?

    Because by doing weights first and then cardio, you're ordering them
    in such a way that you get maximum benefit.

    The goal of weight lifting is to build some muscle, right? Well in
    order to lift heavy weights and stimulate muscle growth, you need
    energy. And one good form of energy is the glycogen in your liver
    (this is basically the result of eating energy-packed carbohydrates).
    The glycogen will give you the energy you need to have a good, heavy
    workout. Afterall, if you aren't pushing yourself to your limits
    while lifting those weights, your muscles won't grow. Simple as that.


    Now stick with me here, it gets better: once your glycogen stores are
    depleted, your body starts burning fat for fuel.

    Ding, ding, ding...that's what you want, right?

    Well yes. So THAT'S why you need to do weights first, and then
    cardio...


    You see, when you do weights first, your body will use the glycogen
    so you can get a heavy workout. That's good. By the time you get to
    the cardio portion of your session, the glycogen is probably depleted
    and your body is now burning fat for energy. Hence your cardio
    session becomes a fat burning sesssion nearly immediately!

    Weights before cardio -- that's the *right* way to do it.

    So what happens if you do it the other way? You're almost wasting
    your time -- or minimally, your workout isn't as effective as it
    could be.

    You see, if you start off with a cardio session, it will probably
    take 20-30 minutes before your glycogen stores are depleted and
    you're burning fat for energy. So chances are, you spent most of yoru
    cardio session just trying to deplete your energy stores before you
    even got to the fat burning part of your workout!

    Now here you are with depleted glycogen stores (read: depleted
    energy) and you go hit the weights. What happens? You're not lifting
    to your full capacity. And when you don't lift to your full capacity,
    you aren't doing your body any favors. You need to constantly push
    yourself under the weights if you want to stimulate muscle growth.

    So if you do cardio and then weights, you have a cardio session that
    burns glycogen rather than fat, and a weight session that's probably
    inadequate.

    But if you do weights and THEN cardio, you'll be strong and fresh for
    the weights, and you'll be burning fat during cardio.

    [note: yes, you CAN and should do a "warm up" cardio session before
    weights. But in that case, I'm talking about 5-10 minutes, not a full-
    blown session)


    from: http://transformforwomen.blogspot.com/2005/03/weights-first-
    cardio-second.html
  • Destined
    Destined Posts: 116
    Thank you Fitness Chick. It makes sense. I will use your advice at the gym. I just joined the gyme today...yeay... I am so excited because I am tired of being stuck in a rut..This year is all about me. I am still very overwhelmed with all the machines, but I have the trainer who will show me what all of those machines are.. that they are not going to eat me and they are harmless.. I am so happy... my hubby is totally supportive of me....:smile::blushing: ...
  • Fitness_Chick
    Fitness_Chick Posts: 6,648 Member
    I'm so happy for you Destined, the gym can be so much fun. Especially with someone to show you the ropes, that's a good gym for ya! It'll be much less intimidating before you know it and you'll be loving it as much as I do!!:flowerforyou: :heart:

    Yea the article makes sense...before I knew better I tried doing strength training after cardio...whew, couldn't even lift my arms to do biceps/tricep work....what a difference when I did it first!!:bigsmile:

    FC:heart:
  • cdngirl71
    cdngirl71 Posts: 2,641 Member
    Wow I never knew to do weights first then cardio.............thanks for the info. I am going to try that tonite when I go to the gym.
  • altazin0907
    altazin0907 Posts: 188 Member
    what if you don't do weights then are you still wasting your time?:huh:
  • hmo4
    hmo4 Posts: 1,673 Member
    I'm so happy for you Destined, the gym can be so much fun. Especially with someone to show you the ropes, that's a good gym for ya! It'll be much less intimidating before you know it and you'll be loving it as much as I do!!:flowerforyou: :heart:

    Yea the article makes sense...before I knew better I tried doing strength training after cardio...whew, couldn't even lift my arms to do biceps/tricep work....what a difference when I did it first!!:bigsmile:

    FC:heart:

    Makes sense FC. Thanks. When I think about it, a lot of the fitness competitors do it this way. There, a new change to my work out!:flowerforyou:
  • SHBoss1673
    SHBoss1673 Posts: 7,161 Member
    Cool article FC.

    Better yet, come join me in my HIIT training. Does both cardio and anaerobic work. It's evil, and you'll probably puke the first time you do it, but it really works! (I'm such a shill!:ohwell: )
  • RKJR925
    RKJR925 Posts: 254
    I follow the same principle and I was told by a trainer that trains NASCAR Pit Crews (The Over the wall guys who are all athletes) That typically after an hour your muscles go into endurance mode and you will not see the results you would in your tone and definition.

    Of course that is if you workouts are longer than an hour which mine are 60 minutes of lifting and 30 minutes of cardio.


    He likened to the build of a marathon runner whose muscles are trained to endure vs a sprinter.
  • Mireille
    Mireille Posts: 5,134 Member
    Okay, so I was told the same thing by a friend at the gym. So I tried it. I did not enjoy it.
    For some odd reason, I see better results on my body when I cardio first and then do weights. I also burn way more calories while weight training if I've done cardio first.

    As Max always says, Canadians always do things backwards so... that's my reasoning. :flowerforyou:
  • FC so Ideally it would be better to do Weights in one session, say in the morning? and then Cardio session at night?
  • gottaluvboyz
    gottaluvboyz Posts: 555 Member
    Thanks for the info as I have been wondering about this a lot lately!
  • chrissyh
    chrissyh Posts: 8,235 Member
    I needed that one! thanks
  • tazzy
    tazzy Posts: 197
    Why are more and more trainers turning to circuit training weights and cardio TOGETHER. Because you get afterburn from weights and fat burning from cardio.

    PLUS you CANNOT build muscle while following a weight loss plan you need a calorie surplus not a deficit to fuel building muscle all you do is shred out the muscle not build it. Have you ever heard of a body builder eating 1200 cals a day I dont think so.

    Plus all those people who say oh I havent lost weight I have gained muscle though this is also BS 1 pound of muscle weighs the same as 1 pound of fat just putting this out there read an article about this this weekend after the guy who came to fix my elliptical was telling me the same thing.

    I think all these theories are being changed all the time as people understand more about the human body and how things work I suggest maybe doing a bit more research.
  • so i always do cardio and then weights and was going to switch it cause of what i read but you are saying it doesnt matter my cals are 1360 a day and i work out like 2-4 time a week what should i focous on
  • altazin0907
    altazin0907 Posts: 188 Member
    gosh I am so confused, everyone has a different idea, or a trainer told them something different. It makes my head hurt trying to figure out what is the "true right way" to do everything. :huh: :tongue:
  • me too:mad:
  • Mireille
    Mireille Posts: 5,134 Member
    gosh I am so confused, everyone has a different idea, or a trainer told them something different. It makes my head hurt trying to figure out what is the "true right way" to do everything. :huh: :tongue:

    Do what works for you. :flowerforyou:
  • tazzy
    tazzy Posts: 197
    Banks what is HIIT is that like circuit training. By circuit training I mean like 30 day shred but with heavier weights like 10 lb bicep curls with lunges for 30 sec then 30 sec push ups repeat then jumping jacks or similar 30 secs butt kicks 30 sec repeat then abs for 1 min. then a different set of exercises . This is getting confusing I have allways done at seperate intervals until I started shred with a bit extra. As I find after a good session of circuit training there is no way I could survive a high intensity cardio session I need to eat wait at least another hour then get stuck in again otherwise I burn out way too soon if with a caffeine and aspirin stack.

    AAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH.
  • SHBoss1673
    SHBoss1673 Posts: 7,161 Member
    Banks what is HIIT is that like circuit training. By circuit training I mean like 30 day shred but with heavier weights like 10 lb bicep curls with lunges for 30 sec then 30 sec push ups repeat then jumping jacks or similar 30 secs butt kicks 30 sec repeat then abs for 1 min. then a different set of exercises . This is getting confusing I have allways done at seperate intervals until I started shred with a bit extra. As I find after a good session of circuit training there is no way I could survive a high intensity cardio session I need to eat wait at least another hour then get stuck in again otherwise I burn out way too soon if with a caffeine and aspirin stack.

    AAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH.

    HIIT is High Intensity Interval Training. It encorporates both aerobic and anaerobic workouts in one. Brutal but awesome. Google HIIT training and EPOC training.
  • tazzy
    tazzy Posts: 197
    I get it. I just changed to something similar I use my elliptical the stairs in my house and jump rope I sprint for 3 mins on the elliptical hard resistance (high) the jog up and down the stairs for 2 mins (moderate intensity) and then jump rope for 2 mins (high intensity) and repeat can only manage this 5 times and it nearly kills me. Hoping to get a treadmill soon and will incorporate that too. I have had great results before with this but had another baby and I am back here again.
  • charliesgold
    charliesgold Posts: 235 Member
    I started weight training as well as switched to running a month ago and I couldn't do it in any other order, I do weights and then run because by the time i'm through running i'm EXHAUSTED!
  • Fitness_Chick
    Fitness_Chick Posts: 6,648 Member
    Cool article FC.

    Better yet, come join me in my HIIT training. Does both cardio and anaerobic work. It's evil, and you'll probably puke the first time you do it, but it really works! (I'm such a shill!:ohwell: )
    :laugh: I just might have to try that Banks:wink:
  • Fitness_Chick
    Fitness_Chick Posts: 6,648 Member
    :drinker:
  • ce_fit
    ce_fit Posts: 299 Member
    Great write up.

    Time to bump.!!!
  • AmyNVegas
    AmyNVegas Posts: 2,215 Member
    So does anyone know if I do Weight training/resitance one day then cardio on alternate days do I get the same efffect or is the store back up by the next day? Just wondering.

    Amy:bigsmile:
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  • Fitness_Chick
    Fitness_Chick Posts: 6,648 Member
    So does anyone know if I do Weight training/resitance one day then cardio on alternate days do I get the same efffect or is the store back up by the next day? Just wondering.

    Amy:bigsmile:
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    from what I understand the two are different enough that you can do them the same day, I think it depends on how intense your workouts are. Somedays I do as to get in 3 strength training days and 5-6 cardio they overlap, but I do always alternate the weights, I never do back to back on those.

    My thoughts..for what they're worth:bigsmile:

    FC:heart:
  • sunflower8926
    sunflower8926 Posts: 485 Member
    Thanks, FC, great info. :drinker:
  • banfathi99
    banfathi99 Posts: 23 Member
    So does anyone know if I do Weight training/resitance one day then cardio on alternate days do I get the same efffect or is the store back up by the next day? Just wondering.

    Amy:bigsmile:
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    Current research is actually suggesting this may be the way to go. Some of the components (enzymes) that cause the desired changes we want to see from each a weight training workout may actually inhibit the effects of enzymes needed for the effects of endurance/cardio training to be effective and vice versa. But as with most health reseach, the next set of researchers will probably prove them wrong. So figure out what works for you and go with it.
  • AmyNVegas
    AmyNVegas Posts: 2,215 Member
    Thanks! I will try to get some cardio on weight days now then. I will also do the resistance bands first instead of last on days I don't go to the gym. Who knows it might help my cardio workouts. Never hurts to try anything right. :flowerforyou:

    banfathi99- I like what you said about them finding contradicting evidence. No wonder we don't know who to listen too anymore everyone has a study to back up their opinion no matter what it is. One study always seems to contradict another. So much for science being exact.:laugh:

    Amy:bigsmile:
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  • nitag
    nitag Posts: 706 Member
    This was good reading.

    I always warm up on the treadmill for 10 mins then do some weights then 15 mins on the treadmill then weights again 15 more mins on the treadmill ect.. Usually 60 mins on the treadmill and 20 mins for the weights..

    Does anyone have any tips for me.. I need to spice it up ....

    I started on Jan 22nd and have lost 14 lbs..
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