Perspective

Wynterbourne

I know that Jane will lose weight (and fat) at a faster pace than Cynthia will even though they will consume the same amount of calories.

No, you don't KNOW, you BELIEVE.

And you would be wrong.

^This^

SergeantSunshine_reused

So you're saying that its okay that creamer has all these additives so it can taste like creamer? There are 40 different names for msg, look them up and see what it does to your brain. Then look up GMO... its GENETICALLY MODIFIED ORGANISM... your saying its okay to drink genetically modified creamer? Why would all these ingredients need to be in creamer anyway? shouldnt we just be drinking milk and it say Ingredients: Milk. (even these days milk isnt great for you because they inject it with STERIODS and HORMONES)

Educate yourself, watch movies, read articles, do some research.

This is my favorite part of the thread.

OP educate yourself. You are wrong on MANY of your points.

rockerbabyy

*sneaks in to hide in the corner to follow the thread*
*also eats some popcorn*

ElizabethRoad

*sneaks in to hide in the corner to follow the thread*
*also eats some popcorn*

As long as you don't put any delicious butter on it.

rockerbabyy

*sneaks in to hide in the corner to follow the thread*
*also eats some popcorn*

As long as you don't put any delicious butter on it.

damn, i did. its going to stall my weight loss isnt it?

blairsselme

Perspective (from Latin perspicere, to see through) in the graphic arts, such as drawing, is an approximate representation, on a flat surface (such as paper), of an image as it is seen by the eye. The two most characteristic features of perspective are that objects are drawn:

* Smaller as their distance from the observer increases
* Foreshortened: the size of an object's dimensions along the line of sight are relatively shorter than dimensions across the line of sight

Sridenbaugh

bah such negativity....

Subject is perspective... this is my perspective based on the knowledge ive learned...
Also if your going to be negative dont reply.

My point was this and only this:


eating 1400 calories of whole foods will not give you the same results of eating a 1400 calorie diet of junk food. take it or leave it.

servilia

bah such negativity....

Subject is perspective... this is my perspective based on the knowledge ive learned...
Also if your going to be negative dont reply.

My point was this and only this:


eating 1400 calories of whole foods will not give you the same results of eating a 1400 calorie diet of junk food. take it or leave it.

How is any of this "junk food":

Breakfast: bagel with a little cream cheese, one piece of bacon and one egg. coffee with french vanilla creamer and water.

Snack: Kellogs 90 calorie bar. water

Lunch: 2 slices of pizza cheese only. water

Snack: protein shake. water

Dinner: Steak and veggies. water

Sridenbaugh

bah such negativity....

Subject is perspective... this is my perspective based on the knowledge ive learned...
Also if your going to be negative dont reply.

My point was this and only this:


eating 1400 calories of whole foods will not give you the same results of eating a 1400 calorie diet of junk food. take it or leave it.

How is any of this "junk food":

Breakfast: bagel with a little cream cheese, one piece of bacon and one egg. coffee with french vanilla creamer and water.

Snack: Kellogs 90 calorie bar. water

Lunch: 2 slices of pizza cheese only. water

Snack: protein shake. water

Dinner: Steak and veggies. water

I WAS JUST THROWING FOOD OUT THERE. MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE JUST PUT SIMPLE CARB SIMPLE CARB SIMPLE CARB FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT SO PEOPLE WOULDNT TAKE THIS SO LITERALLY.

auctoritas

But fat food ISN'T junk food. Weight loss aside, a diet high in fat (though necessarily low in carbs) can be as good or better for your body than a diet high in carbs. Ketoers, for example, eat up to 70% of their daily calories in fat - whole eggs, lots of butter, tallow, lard, and coconut oil, veggies, steak, etc, and most of us lose weight FAST and in general, our cholesterol and fasting glucose levels look great. The difference is that we treat carbs as junk rather than fat, which is what (some) high carb diets do.

While I agree that "whole" foods are better than "junk" foods, I think your definition of junk food is wrong.

arewethereyet

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It is OK to debate, but please keep it kind and helpful. We can disagree without attack. OP-any post can bring different views. This is an excellent time to back up your theory. :flowerforyou:

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arewethereyet

My comments as an MFP regular for almost 4 years.

I love to experiement so in my hayday of weight loss, and following a healthy lifestyle to the T, I did this experiment.

WK1 I ate 1200 calories of fast foods, white pasta/bread, cupcakes. I used 1200 because I didnt want to gain weight after all my work, but I did. Only a pound, but I gained.

WK 2 I ate 1400 calories of healthy foods. I believe in whole eggs (but can only have 1 or 2 yolks a week due to cholesterol issues) I made a healthy menu for the week, going by an example given by my medical doctor. Of course he isnt a nutritionist, but it was for a diabetic.

I did not change my exercise, work, or home life in the least. I felt 100% better on week 2, and lost 2 lbs. Now I KNOW it was some water weight, but the best part was feeling healthier.

This thread has made me think hard on what I am eating, and how it is making me feel physically and mentally.

Gonna make a nice menu and stick to it for a week. I can do it for 1 week!!

P.S. I believe in bacon, eggs, good fats.

LorinaLynn

My perspective is that happiness counts for a LOT in sticking to any program.

If someone is happy eating clean, whole foods... fantastic!

Personally, I'm happier knowing that something like pizza or chili cheese nachos or a bacon double cheeseburger isn't completely off my menu.

For instance, the lunch I had on Friday was amazing: chicken breast chopped into small pieces, stir fried with a bunch of frozen mixed veggies and a fresh tomato in buffalo sauce (5 calories), over a half cup of penne pasta mixed with light ranch dressing (80 calories), sprinkled with parmesan cheese. The buffalo and ranch are "junk" (and truthfully higher in sodium than I'd like) but they made what would have been a bland, boring meal taste absolutely decadent. They made me happy with what I'm eating. And enjoying a meal that much was sooooo worth that 85 extra calories.

RonSwanson66

bah such negativity....

Subject is perspective... this is my perspective based on the knowledge ive learned...
Also if your going to be negative dont reply.

My point was this and only this:


eating 1400 calories of whole foods will not give you the same results of eating a 1400 calorie diet of junk food. take it or leave it.

This is completely and utterly false. Why do believe this and why do you insist on regurgitating it?

Please read the following:
http://jcdfitness.com/2010/09/clean-eating-is-a-scam-and-why-you-should-abandon-it/

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/

Jorra

bah such negativity....

Subject is perspective... this is my perspective based on the knowledge ive learned...
Also if your going to be negative dont reply.

My point was this and only this:


eating 1400 calories of whole foods will not give you the same results of eating a 1400 calorie diet of junk food. take it or leave it.

This is completely and utterly false. Why do believe this and why do you insist on regurgitating it?

Please read the following:
http://jcdfitness.com/2010/09/clean-eating-is-a-scam-and-why-you-should-abandon-it/

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/

Too late, she is gone. Another example of someone taking disagreement as negativity.

LorinaLynn

Too late, she is gone. Another example of someone taking disagreement as negativity.

Such a shame. She had great results and knew what worked for HER, which I'm sure would work for others as well. Too bad she thought it was the ONLY way that would work for EVERYONE.

It's like religion. If you're happy with it and it works for you, that's great. But don't expect everyone else to want to follow the same path.

heykatieben

I hope this is true. It bodes well for me.

To add to it, I've lost weight reaallly fast so far (please don't let this jinx me!), even though I didn't/don't have a ton to lose - down 10 lbs from 141 in about 6 weeks! Has blown my mind.. I've been eating really cleanly, most of my calories from fruits & veggies, nuts, greek yogurt - so maybe this explains it. Thanks for the post!

Edited to add: I've found it much easier to be satisfied on 1400 calories with whole foods, also. I don't think it's possible for me to eat enough pasta, chips, candy to truly be satisfied (I swear it's addictive!), but after whole food meals, I just feel good, more peaceful - like, it was really tasty, but I'm not dying for another portion of it.

Your doing great!! I agree it is more satisfying to eat whole foods. Foods like pasta, chips, candy is addictive. Check out my blog on MSG. Keep up the good work!

Thanks!

Uhh, to the person saying clean eating is a scam - jeez, I never thought I'd hear that sentence said! So the fruits & vegetables that we either evolved on or God put here for us (depending on your views) are a scam? I'm pretty gullible, but that's such a bizarre statement that i'm not even compelled to read the argument.

I guess you could consider it a scam if you thought that was the only way to lose weight, and you truly hated eating clean and felt deprived all the time. But people are different, which is why we can all vehemently argue our own points. We're all correct, with one flaw - we're extending what's worked for us to say that it should work best for everyone. Gah. I'd bet good money that there truly are people for whom an Atkins diet is healthiest, or a vegan diet, or even a SAD diet. For me, a clean diet happens to work really darn well.