Raw Foodism
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We drink raw milk from a local natural dairy farm, but that's because my daughter has allergies and for some reason can tolerate milk in it's truly raw form. Otherwise I have no idea about raw foodism.:huh:0
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We drink raw milk from a local natural dairy farm, but that's because my daughter has allergies and for some reason can tolerate milk in it's truly raw form. Otherwise I have no idea about raw foodism.:huh:
Wow, that is really interesting. I can't say I'm surprised though. They milk that you get from conventional cows (which I'm sure you've researched) is far from pure and wholesome!0 -
I accidentally found this raw foodism site last night (it's not in English, so no use even quting the name) and I have been truly impressed by it. Everything was so well explaint and argumented and there were numerous examples of people curing their diseases and extra weight through it, so I was ready to begin right there......
it's not as simple however, and as elli suggests it has to go through vegetarian, then vegan, then eventually turn to raw foodism... i have been a vegetarian for most of my life, not a strict one but i never really liked meat or fish, nor eggs, so as soon as i let go of the dairy products i am pretty much a ready vegan - it doesn't seem hard to do but eating only raw food will be extremely hard, so for now my aim is become a vegan and eat as raw as possible while at it...
as for the correct nutrition, i have had problems with my iron and B12 intake after i started my weight loss and i forced myself to eat meat and eggs because I could never get enough of it otherwise... it's not so much the lack of animal products but rather i was too careless about it, so i will definitely research everything well before i start anything and i'm pretty decided to do it as soon as possible
will keep you posted and hope we can gather a larger group on here and maintain the topic :flowerforyou:0 -
Low Carb lifestyle, such as Atkins..............
Dr Atkins focused primarily on lots of green leafy veggies and protein for the first 2 weeks to get rid of sugar cravings.
Low carb lifestyle is a pretty NATURAL way of eating, protein in abundance. Lots of fresh vegetables and low glycemic fruits, nuts, seeds, berries...................grains in the form of oats, sprouted grains, brown rice.........Starches in the form of beans, legumes, sweet potatos.
If you climb the "carb Ladder" as is instructed every week you add in more and more veggies, fruits, nuts, until nothing is off limits EXCEPT for white sugar, white flour and processed foods..........stuff our body does not need anyway.............
Eating this way is what has gotten me into exploring a raw food diet.0 -
my understanding is that raw foodism includes only raw, living foods. there are some sub-types that include raw meat (like beef carpaccio and sashimi). i also understand that there are no beans or soy in the diet, although you can eat the bean "sprouts".
i've also read that the "not enough protein" in the diet is a myth, as vegetables have enough protein to keep the body functioning optimally (i'm not a doctor, but this is what i have reasearched...)
It's not the amount of protein that's the issue, but getting sufficient complete proteins from the diet. All vegetables (except for a certain type of algae) contain incomplete proteins, meaning they don't contain all the essential amino acids we need (the ones our bodies can't produce). So while you can get sufficient grams of protein, you have to pair certain foods to create complete proteins, like bread with cheese and rice with beans. Vegans are at the greatest risk for malnutrition because they don't consume any animal products. I'm not saying it's more or less healthy than an omnivorous diet, it just takes more planning and attention to nutrients.
Fortunately, spinach and kale (followed closely by other greens) contain 45-49% protein. There is no doubt that someone who eats a diet high in raw leafy green vegetables, a wide assortment of all other kinds of vegetables, beans, seeds, and whole grains, will not be lacking in protein. To say that vegans are at the greatest risk for malnutrition is a pretty broad stroke. Especially since it seems like most people who become vegan are very into nutritional awareness and self-education. And actually, I still wouldn't hesitate to say that a vegan who is *not* especially concerned with counting grams and calories is a stretch "healthier" than a person consuming the Standard American Diet.
-Meredith
Once again, it's not the NUMBER of protein grams, but the AMINO ACIDS. You can take in sufficient protein grams and still lack the essential amino acids that can't be synthesized by the body. Any time you remove an entire food group, whether it's grains, meats, vegetables, fats, or dairy, you increase your risk of malnutrition by removing sources of some nutrients that are hard to find outside of their given food group source. Most people eating the SAD don't eat vegetables and fruits. Hence, they are at a great risk for malnutrition. This isn't about vegan-bashing, it's just statistics and common sense. I never stated that veganism is better or worse than any other way of eating. It just takes more work.0 -
About the locked thread...
Maybe it was seen as a little divisive considering the previous thread.
About Raw foodism....
was reading it included meats also. Am I wrong?
No true raw only includes nuts no cooked foods which means not even cooked beans.
You can have soaked beans, not fully cooked. Raw foodism is about not eating anything that has been raised to a temperature higher than 160 degrees internally................0 -
Ok....as much as it may seem like I'm being a smartass, this question is completely serious:
Why does raw foodism seem to only be for vegans and vegetarians?
I mean, I eat raw fish in the form of sashimi. I've had several raw beef dishes. Of course no poultry, but are there any raw foodists who incorporate raw meat?0 -
Yes there are rawists who eat meat and dairy raw but it seems like being a raw vegan is more popular, or at least gets talked about more.0
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Great info as ALWAYS SBSmy understanding is that raw foodism includes only raw, living foods. there are some sub-types that include raw meat (like beef carpaccio and sashimi). i also understand that there are no beans or soy in the diet, although you can eat the bean "sprouts".
i've also read that the "not enough protein" in the diet is a myth, as vegetables have enough protein to keep the body functioning optimally (i'm not a doctor, but this is what i have reasearched...)
It's not the amount of protein that's the issue, but getting sufficient complete proteins from the diet. All vegetables (except for a certain type of algae) contain incomplete proteins, meaning they don't contain all the essential amino acids we need (the ones our bodies can't produce). So while you can get sufficient grams of protein, you have to pair certain foods to create complete proteins, like bread with cheese and rice with beans. Vegans are at the greatest risk for malnutrition because they don't consume any animal products. I'm not saying it's more or less healthy than an omnivorous diet, it just takes more planning and attention to nutrients.
Fortunately, spinach and kale (followed closely by other greens) contain 45-49% protein. There is no doubt that someone who eats a diet high in raw leafy green vegetables, a wide assortment of all other kinds of vegetables, beans, seeds, and whole grains, will not be lacking in protein. To say that vegans are at the greatest risk for malnutrition is a pretty broad stroke. Especially since it seems like most people who become vegan are very into nutritional awareness and self-education. And actually, I still wouldn't hesitate to say that a vegan who is *not* especially concerned with counting grams and calories is a stretch "healthier" than a person consuming the Standard American Diet.
-Meredith
Once again, it's not the NUMBER of protein grams, but the AMINO ACIDS. You can take in sufficient protein grams and still lack the essential amino acids that can't be synthesized by the body. Any time you remove an entire food group, whether it's grains, meats, vegetables, fats, or dairy, you increase your risk of malnutrition by removing sources of some nutrients that are hard to find outside of their given food group source. Most people eating the SAD don't eat vegetables and fruits. Hence, they are at a great risk for malnutrition. This isn't about vegan-bashing, it's just statistics and common sense. I never stated that veganism is better or worse than any other way of eating. It just takes more work.
:flowerforyou: Glad you posted it!
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so....... i went on a raw food cleanse for 2 days and had to stop because i got extrememly sick. i was expecting detox symptoms, but did not expect it to be as bad as it was. pounding monster migraine-type headache, really bad diahrhea, nausea, etc.
it amazes me how completely toxic my body is. it did not like veggies AT ALL which says alot about the poor state of my health. the first day, i really enjoyed the foods. i tried for the "whole foods" approach, without alot of prep time (which is what most raw foodist default too after a period of transitioning, with recipes etc. making the switch easier.) i can say that i will absolutely keep trying to eat as much raw as possible. this morning, i feel great and the feedback i have gotten from the people on a raw forum has been really enlightening.
i love love love meat, but after reading about what it does to the body, the planet and the poor animals themselves, it makes me really rethink if that steak is worth it.
as for the proteim debate, apparently it has been questioned for as long as raw foodism has been [popular, but there are literally hundreds of raw foodies out there who have been doing the lifestyle since the 60's with no animal or bean protein, and they are surviving and thriving. i guess it all comes down to who you trust and what you beleive.
there's one thing that really struck me about protien. if companies were truthful about the lack of animal protien needed, that would pretty much have bankrupted the majority of the weightloss industry, the cattle, poulty and pork industries, the supplement industries, and so on. i'm still in the early phases of researching this lifestyle, but it seems very interesting to me and i look forward to making as much of a raw food switch as i can.0 -
so....... i went on a raw food cleanse for 2 days and had to stop because i got extrememly sick. i was expecting detox symptoms, but did not expect it to be as bad as it was. pounding monster migraine-type headache, really bad diahrhea, nausea, etc.
it amazes me how completely toxic my body is. it did not like veggies AT ALL which says alot about the poor state of my health. the first day, i really enjoyed the foods. i tried for the "whole foods" approach, without alot of prep time (which is what most raw foodist default too after a period of transitioning, with recipes etc. making the switch easier.) i can say that i will absolutely keep trying to eat as much raw as possible. this morning, i feel great and the feedback i have gotten from the people on a raw forum has been really enlightening.
i love love love meat, but after reading about what it does to the body, the planet and the poor animals themselves, it makes me really rethink if that steak is worth it.
as for the proteim debate, apparently it has been questioned for as long as raw foodism has been [popular, but there are literally hundreds of raw foodies out there who have been doing the lifestyle since the 60's with no animal or bean protein, and they are surviving and thriving. i guess it all comes down to who you trust and what you beleive.
there's one thing that really struck me about protien. if companies were truthful about the lack of animal protien needed, that would pretty much have bankrupted the majority of the weightloss industry, the cattle, poulty and pork industries, the supplement industries, and so on. i'm still in the early phases of researching this lifestyle, but it seems very interesting to me and i look forward to making as much of a raw food switch as i can.
One of the most important things for me in making any kind of signifcant change is to approach it gradually and with moderation. Whether it be working out or my fuel (food). Some while ago, I went vegan and then raw and found it too demanding to maintain and the issue of animal proteins is a completely different argument.
Forr me I am sure, going raw is just too much too expect without a longer time foundation and a better base of eating clean, then vegeatarian then vegan and then raw. To go from pizzas straight to raw is not realistic. This is tough love but please be assured it is said with thebest intentions. You are setting yourself up for something that you haven't prepared for. Try just simple clean eating. It is hard at first but 100 times easier than going raw food. The benefits you will get from clean eating will amaze you.
good luck
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Excellent points made Dave...gradual on any changes is always what seems to work best.:flowerforyou:so....... i went on a raw food cleanse for 2 days and had to stop because i got extrememly sick. i was expecting detox symptoms, but did not expect it to be as bad as it was. pounding monster migraine-type headache, really bad diahrhea, nausea, etc.
it amazes me how completely toxic my body is. it did not like veggies AT ALL which says alot about the poor state of my health. the first day, i really enjoyed the foods. i tried for the "whole foods" approach, without alot of prep time (which is what most raw foodist default too after a period of transitioning, with recipes etc. making the switch easier.) i can say that i will absolutely keep trying to eat as much raw as possible. this morning, i feel great and the feedback i have gotten from the people on a raw forum has been really enlightening.
i love love love meat, but after reading about what it does to the body, the planet and the poor animals themselves, it makes me really rethink if that steak is worth it.
as for the proteim debate, apparently it has been questioned for as long as raw foodism has been [popular, but there are literally hundreds of raw foodies out there who have been doing the lifestyle since the 60's with no animal or bean protein, and they are surviving and thriving. i guess it all comes down to who you trust and what you beleive.
there's one thing that really struck me about protien. if companies were truthful about the lack of animal protien needed, that would pretty much have bankrupted the majority of the weightloss industry, the cattle, poulty and pork industries, the supplement industries, and so on. i'm still in the early phases of researching this lifestyle, but it seems very interesting to me and i look forward to making as much of a raw food switch as i can.
One of the most important things for me in making any kind of signifcant change is to approach it gradually and with moderation. Whether it be working out or my fuel (food). Some while ago, I went vegan and then raw and found it too demanding to maintain and the issue of animal proteins is a completely different argument.
Forr me I am sure, going raw is just too much too expect without a longer time foundation and a better base of eating clean, then vegeatarian then vegan and then raw. To go from pizzas straight to raw is not realistic. This is tough love but please be assured it is said with thebest intentions. You are setting yourself up for something that you haven't prepared for. Try just simple clean eating. It is hard at first but 100 times easier than going raw food. The benefits you will get from clean eating will amaze you.
good luck
Dave
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so....... i went on a raw food cleanse for 2 days and had to stop because i got extrememly sick. i was expecting detox symptoms, but did not expect it to be as bad as it was. pounding monster migraine-type headache, really bad diahrhea, nausea, etc.
it amazes me how completely toxic my body is. it did not like veggies AT ALL which says alot about the poor state of my health. the first day, i really enjoyed the foods. i tried for the "whole foods" approach, without alot of prep time (which is what most raw foodist default too after a period of transitioning, with recipes etc. making the switch easier.) i can say that i will absolutely keep trying to eat as much raw as possible. this morning, i feel great and the feedback i have gotten from the people on a raw forum has been really enlightening.
i love love love meat, but after reading about what it does to the body, the planet and the poor animals themselves, it makes me really rethink if that steak is worth it.
as for the proteim debate, apparently it has been questioned for as long as raw foodism has been [popular, but there are literally hundreds of raw foodies out there who have been doing the lifestyle since the 60's with no animal or bean protein, and they are surviving and thriving. i guess it all comes down to who you trust and what you beleive.
there's one thing that really struck me about protien. if companies were truthful about the lack of animal protien needed, that would pretty much have bankrupted the majority of the weightloss industry, the cattle, poulty and pork industries, the supplement industries, and so on. i'm still in the early phases of researching this lifestyle, but it seems very interesting to me and i look forward to making as much of a raw food switch as i can.
One of the most important things for me in making any kind of signifcant change is to approach it gradually and with moderation. Whether it be working out or my fuel (food). Some while ago, I went vegan and then raw and found it too demanding to maintain and the issue of animal proteins is a completely different argument.
Forr me I am sure, going raw is just too much too expect without a longer time foundation and a better base of eating clean, then vegeatarian then vegan and then raw. To go from pizzas straight to raw is not realistic. This is tough love but please be assured it is said with thebest intentions. You are setting yourself up for something that you haven't prepared for. Try just simple clean eating. It is hard at first but 100 times easier than going raw food. The benefits you will get from clean eating will amaze you.
good luck
Dave
Good morning Dave..................
My personal opinion on the detox thing, is not to do it gradually............but to get it done and over with.
Yes, suffer the migraines, diahrrea, shakes, withdrawals, etc.................get it over with so your body doesn't do it in small ways like periodically zapping your energy, etc.............
Dec 29, 2008 I started Atkins, gave up caffeine and stopped smoking the same day.....................OMG, by January 2, 2009 I was soooo sick. Migraine headaches, vomiting, diahrrea, night sweats, shaking etc...............I thought I was sick with the flu............
After 4 or 5 days of feeling absolutely HORRIBLE, I got this burst of energy that has gotten me going ever since.................
It is best to tough it out, get it done and over with and be on with life with an absolutely new zest.
To each his own though!!!0 -
The food combining theory is a myth that has been debunked. Animal flesh proteins are "complete," meaning they contain all nine essential amino acids in amounts similar to those found in human flesh. Plants have all these too, just in slightly differing amounts. It was previously believed that in order to create proteins from vegetarian foods, you needed to combine them in specific ways. For example, rice and beans had to be eaten together to maximize their potential. However, it is now known that eating a variety of foods (which I hope anyone gets on any diet) from plant sources provides all the building blocks we need. Further, the microorganisms and recycled organisms in our intestinal tracts make complete proteins for us. All we have to do is eat healthy balanced diets.
I hope I didn't come off as defensive, and if I did, I apologize. I would have to agree that veganism does take more planning and more care. But being *healthy* takes more planning and more care... We all have this cocktail of nutritents- vitamins, minerals, lipids, proteins, carbohydrates- to balance, and I guess the debate is just the form you're getting it in. Vegans may worry about fatty acids and B12, but omnivores have to watch their cholesterol and probably some vitamins and minerals (and rBGH!). We all have to work hard to be balanced and healthy. But I have not found (in research, or on my personal heath) that the exclusion of animal products creates any problems. Rather, it has only proven to solve them.
Hope this helps!0 -
Im a raw Foodist!
i love it so much.
its amazing and i feel healthier everyday,
yes. it takes lots of discipline though its so worth it.0
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