Primal Blueprint Anyone?

laurelderry

Hi Everyone,

I have been doing the Primal Blueprint since Dec 1st. I have had a few slip ups here and there, but for the most part am adhering to it well. I noticed a great deal of initial weightloss (see below)

Weight 12/12/11 126.7 delete
Weight 12/11/11 128.1 delete
Weight 12/10/11 129.1 delete
Weight 12/06/11 129.3 delete
Weight 12/03/11 129.7 delete
Weight 12/02/11 132 delete
Weight 12/01/11 133 delete

However, since the 12th I am back up to 129.4. That's a 2.7 gain. Overall, I have still lost 3.6 lbs since the 1st- which is great, but I'm interested to figure out why I have gained nearly 3 lbs in the last three days. After doing some research on marksdailyapple.com, I think it may be the excessive dairy I am consuming. I think it's also a combination of the fact that I am very well sated the whole day, and my overall cal intake has dropped significantly, in addition to higher sodium level. However, I have been drinking a lot of water to counterbalance this *(ignore my diary, I don't log my water very accurately).

Any primal/paleo eaters please feel free to comment. The carbohydrate curve for weightloss is (and I am usually consuming 75-100 a day):

150-300 grams/day – Steady, Insidious Weight Gain

Continued higher insulin-stimulating effect prevents efficient fat burning and contributes to widespread chronic disease conditions. This range – irresponsibly recommended by the USDA and other diet authorities – can lead to the statistical US average gain of 1.5 pounds of fat per year for forty years.

100-150 grams/day – Primal Blueprint Maintenance Range

This range based on body weight and activity level. When combined with Primal exercises, allows for genetically optimal fat burning and muscle development. Range derived from Grok’s (ancestors’) example of enjoying abundant vegetables and fruits and avoiding grains and sugars.

50-100 grams/day – Primal Sweet Spot for Effortless Weight Loss

Minimizes insulin production and ramps up fat metabolism. By meeting average daily protein requirements (.7 – 1 gram per pound of lean bodyweight formula), eating nutritious vegetables and fruits (easy to stay in 50-100 gram range, even with generous servings), and staying satisfied with delicious high fat foods (meat, fish, eggs, nuts, seeds), you can lose one to two pounds of body fat per week and then keep it off forever by eating in the maintenance range.

0-50 grams/day – Ketosis and Accelerated Fat Burning

Acceptable for a day or two of Intermittent Fasting towards aggressive weight loss efforts, provided adequate protein, fat and supplements are consumed otherwise. May be ideal for many diabetics. Not necessarily recommended as a long-term practice for otherwise healthy people due to resultant deprivation of high nutrient value vegetables and fruits.

Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-primal-carbohydrate-continuum/#ixzz1gibRKPbj


**Please, I'm not interested in negativity. I work in the clinical research in addition to having an overall sound knowledge of nutrition. If you don't have a clinical research study to quote as to why my low carb intake is wrong, then please don't comment. I am not interested in opinions as to why low carb is "wrong," but suggestions from those that follow this way of eating also.

Thanks in advance!!!

neanderthin

Probably water weight. Anyway considering you claim to understand nutrition, then this needs to be explained.

150-300 grams/day – Steady, Insidious Weight Gain

laurelderry

Probably water weight. Anyway considering you claim to understand nutrition, then this needs to be explained.

150-300 grams/day – Steady, Insidious Weight Gain

Are you a primal/paleo eater?

Acg67

I work in the clinical research in addition to having an overall sound knowledge of nutrition. If you don't have a clinical research study to quote as to why my low carb intake is wrong, then please don't comment. I am not interested in opinions as to why low carb is "wrong," but suggestions from those that follow this way of eating also.

your cho curve for weightloss is silly

please show me some controlled metabolic ward studies that have show keto diets have a metabolic advantage

also 150g-300g of cho will lead to steady weight gain? So 600-1200 cals from Cho will lead to weight gain in everyone?

neanderthin

Not really, but I understand it. I did attempt it about 5 years ago, epic fail, and went back to my normal farm to fork philosophy.

laurelderry

I work in the clinical research in addition to having an overall sound knowledge of nutrition. If you don't have a clinical research study to quote as to why my low carb intake is wrong, then please don't comment. I am not interested in opinions as to why low carb is "wrong," but suggestions from those that follow this way of eating also.

your cho curve for weightloss is silly

please show me some controlled metabolic ward studies that have show keto diets have a metabolic advantage

also 150g-300g of cho will lead to steady weight gain? So 600-1200 cals from Cho will lead to weight gain in everyone?


This isn't my curve, but that established by the Primal Blueprint. marksdailyapple.com

And please read my entire post- I wasn't interested in comments from those that aren't apart of this way of eating, as you clearly haven't done the research.

laurelderry

Not really, but I understand it. I did attempt it about 5 years ago, epic fail, and went back to my normal farm to fork philosophy.

Thank you for you input... I also am a farm to table eater and make virtually everything I eat entirely from scratch.

_Bro

Can I add your research (curve for weightloss) to my Bro-fact blog?

Acg67

I work in the clinical research in addition to having an overall sound knowledge of nutrition. If you don't have a clinical research study to quote as to why my low carb intake is wrong, then please don't comment. I am not interested in opinions as to why low carb is "wrong," but suggestions from those that follow this way of eating also.

your cho curve for weightloss is silly

please show me some controlled metabolic ward studies that have show keto diets have a metabolic advantage

also 150g-300g of cho will lead to steady weight gain? So 600-1200 cals from Cho will lead to weight gain in everyone?


This isn't my curve, but that established by the Primal Blueprint. marksdailyapple.com

And please read my entire post- I wasn't interested in comments from those that aren't apart of this way of eating, as you clearly haven't done the research.

o rly? become enlightened, keto diets have no metabolic advantage

http://www.ajcn.org/content/20/10/1104.full.pdf

http://www.ajcn.org/content/21/11/1291.full.pdf

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/92/11/4480.full

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8968851

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8561057

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2319073

Rheatheylia

How are your measurements, or if you don't measure, are your clothes fitting tighter/looser? It's possible you're gaining muscle but losing fat, resulting in a leaner, heavier body.

laurelderry

Can I add your research (curve for weightloss) to my Bro-fact blog?

Sure, please quote marksdailyapple.com- this is Mark Scisson's approach.

Sidesteal

Sure, please quote marksdailyapple.com- this is Mark Scisson's approach.

a.k.a. bro-facts.

laurelderry

I work in the clinical research in addition to having an overall sound knowledge of nutrition. If you don't have a clinical research study to quote as to why my low carb intake is wrong, then please don't comment. I am not interested in opinions as to why low carb is "wrong," but suggestions from those that follow this way of eating also.

your cho curve for weightloss is silly

please show me some controlled metabolic ward studies that have show keto diets have a metabolic advantage

also 150g-300g of cho will lead to steady weight gain? So 600-1200 cals from Cho will lead to weight gain in everyone?


This isn't my curve, but that established by the Primal Blueprint. marksdailyapple.com

And please read my entire post- I wasn't interested in comments from those that aren't apart of this way of eating, as you clearly haven't done the research.

o rly? become enlightened, keto diets have no metabolic advantage

http://www.ajcn.org/content/20/10/1104.full.pdf

http://www.ajcn.org/content/21/11/1291.full.pdf

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/92/11/4480.full

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8968851

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8561057

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2319073



This isn't a "keto" diet, dear. As you aren't in ketosis regularly unless you choose to place yourself into IF. This is more about the anti nutrients produced from the ingestion of legumes and food such as brown rice. It sounds like you don't know anything about Monsanto either. Please move along- I already told you I wasn't interested in negativity- and I don't have time for it. Thanks.

neanderthin

Not really, but I understand it. I did attempt it about 5 years ago, epic fail, and went back to my normal farm to fork philosophy.

Thank you for you input... I also am a farm to table eater and make virtually everything I eat entirely from scratch.

I'm also a chef and have eaten this way for ever, and have also been a member of slow food since 89. Anyway, you didin't answer my question.

_Bro

Bro knows that farm to table and slow food help burn fat!

laurelderry

Not really, but I understand it. I did attempt it about 5 years ago, epic fail, and went back to my normal farm to fork philosophy.

Thank you for you input... I also am a farm to table eater and make virtually everything I eat entirely from scratch.

I'm also a chef and have eaten this way for ever, and have also been a member of slow food since 89. Anyway, you didin't answer my question.

Your question wasn't clear. If you understand primal eating as you said you did, then you would understand Mark's carbohydrate curve.

Acg67

This isn't a "keto" diet, dear. As you aren't in ketosis regularly unless you choose to place yourself into IF. This is more about the anti nutrients produced from the ingestion of legumes and food such as brown rice. It sounds like you don't know anything about Monsanto either. Please move along- I already told you I wasn't interested in negativity- and I don't have time for it. Thanks.

And for someone supposedly knowledgeable in nutrition, you are quite ignorant to nutrition

so IF puts you in ketosis? funny since i follow IF and i'm not in ketosis.

I'm well aware of possible anti nutrients in whole grains and brown rice, one of the likely culprits is their phytic acid content

and i wasn't being negative i was pointing out the silliness of the CHO curve for weightloss.

Acg67

_Bro

The Bro, truly follows the Paleo diet!

The only way to be monolithic is to eat paleolithic

LuckyLeprechaun

So what you're saying is: even though you're NOT getting the results predicted, you're unwilling to listen to any advice about doing something different, or re-examining the approach you're using.......



Makes perfect sense.

laurelderry

So what you're saying is: even though you're NOT getting the results predicted, you're unwilling to listen to any advice about doing something different, or re-examining the approach you're using.......



Makes perfect sense.

I asked for suggestions from those that follow this way of eating also. Not for comments from individuals that don't. That should be enough. Of course I don't want to argue with people whom I wasn't directing this question to.

MrsCon40

I work in the clinical research in addition to having an overall sound knowledge of nutrition. If you don't have a clinical research study to quote as to why my low carb intake is wrong, then please don't comment. I am not interested in opinions as to why low carb is "wrong," but suggestions from those that follow this way of eating also.

your cho curve for weightloss is silly

please show me some controlled metabolic ward studies that have show keto diets have a metabolic advantage

also 150g-300g of cho will lead to steady weight gain? So 600-1200 cals from Cho will lead to weight gain in everyone?

This isn't my curve, but that established by the Primal Blueprint. marksdailyapple.com

And please read my entire post- I wasn't interested in comments from those that aren't apart of this way of eating, as you clearly haven't done the research.

It appears that this well researched plan of yours isn't working for you if you're gaining weight.

LuckyLeprechaun

So what you're saying is: even though you're NOT getting the results predicted, you're unwilling to listen to any advice about doing something different, or re-examining the approach you're using.......



Makes perfect sense.

I asked for suggestions from those that follow this way of eating also. Not for comments from individuals that don't. That should be enough. Of course I don't want to argue with people whom I wasn't directing this question to.

Because.....only people who eat this fad diet are knowledgeable on nutrition?

neanderthin

Not really, but I understand it. I did attempt it about 5 years ago, epic fail, and went back to my normal farm to fork philosophy.

Thank you for you input... I also am a farm to table eater and make virtually everything I eat entirely from scratch.

I'm also a chef and have eaten this way for ever, and have also been a member of slow food since 89. Anyway, you didin't answer my question.

Your question wasn't clear. If you understand primal eating as you said you did, then you would understand Mark's carbohydrate curve.

It's a pretty simple question really. How does consuming 150-300 g's of carbs a day cause steady, insidious weight gain. I'm quite familar with Marks philophy and the daily apple, but I would like your educated response to this....hope this makes my question clearer.

laurelderry

How are your measurements, or if you don't measure, are your clothes fitting tighter/looser? It's possible you're gaining muscle but losing fat, resulting in a leaner, heavier body.

Measurements are down about an 3 inches overall and my clothes fit are a bit looser than they were. I've only been primal for not quite three weeks and initially lost 7 lbs but have gained about 3 back over the last few days. So I was just trying to hone in what could be causing it (if my macronutrients need to be tweaked, etc). I looked at your diary, YUM! What do you usually do to keep your cal intake higher? Nuts are always a great go-to for me, but I'm getting sick of them.

ilookthetype

*sigh*

laurelderry

Not really, but I understand it. I did attempt it about 5 years ago, epic fail, and went back to my normal farm to fork philosophy.

Thank you for you input... I also am a farm to table eater and make virtually everything I eat entirely from scratch.

I'm also a chef and have eaten this way for ever, and have also been a member of slow food since 89. Anyway, you didin't answer my question.

Your question wasn't clear. If you understand primal eating as you said you did, then you would understand Mark's carbohydrate curve.

It's a pretty simple question really. How does consuming 150-300 g's of carbs a day cause steady, insidious weight gain. I'm quite familar with Marks philophy and the daily apple, but I would like your educated response to this....hope this makes my question clearer.

From Mark and others:

"Continued higher insulin-stimulating effect prevents efficient fat burning and contributes to widespread chronic disease conditions. This range – irresponsibly recommended by the USDA and other diet authorities – can lead to the statistical US average gain of 1.5 pounds of fat per year for forty years."

Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-primal-carbohydrate-continuum/#ixzz1gimu99MF

"Weight loss is all about insulin; moderate your production by eliminating sugar and grains (yes, even whole grains) and you will lose the excess body fat you desire without dieting—plus you will improve your energy level, reduce inflammation, and eliminate disease risk."

And this link:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grains-are-unhealthy/#axzz1giU6O3MK

Of course there are much more reliable sources than Mark, but I'm at work and don't have time to attach a reference list and other sources. I really only posted this so that I could take to others who follow (and LIKE) paleo and primal eating and could offer insight.

laurelderry

So what you're saying is: even though you're NOT getting the results predicted, you're unwilling to listen to any advice about doing something different, or re-examining the approach you're using.......



Makes perfect sense.

I asked for suggestions from those that follow this way of eating also. Not for comments from individuals that don't. That should be enough. Of course I don't want to argue with people whom I wasn't directing this question to.

Because.....only people who eat this fad diet are knowledgeable on nutrition?

Do you have something better you could be doing? Because if I was as opposed to "fad diets" as you are, I probably wouldn't be wasting my time harassing someone over the internet.

LuckyLeprechaun

Harassing? That's a stretch. I'm just trying to understand why you asked for advice and then shot down every person who wasn't a cheerleader for what you are already doing.


Ask for advice: you're going to receive opinions. Shoot down every opinion you're given (even when accompanied by research), it just doesn't make any logical sense.

So you're not asking for help, just a yes-man.

laurelderry

Harassing? That's a stretch. I'm just trying to understand why you asked for advice and then shot down every person who wasn't a cheerleader for what you are already doing.


Ask for advice: you're going to receive opinions. Shoot down every opinion you're given (even when accompanied by research), it just doesn't make any logical sense.

So you're not asking for help, just a yes-man.

Asking for advice from a specific group of people = only wanting that group of people to respond.

LuckyLeprechaun

Asking for advice from a specific group of people = makes sure you only hear what you want to hear