Metabolism Miracle
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I absolutely agree that everybody needs a deficit in order to lose. The difference for me is that it is MUCH easier to eat less on a low-carb plan than it is on a low fat plan. I think that there are also some changes in my metabolism that I have less energy and burn fewer calories when I am on a low-fat plan as opposed to a low-carb plan.It's not that calories in vs calories out doesn't work, it's that you have to figure out what your proper macro's are to go with it. If you ate a ton of protein, and vegetables, and constantly over your calories you would gain weight. My mother has the same problem, and I have noticed a difference myself, that if I stay with-in my calories goal, but have more carbs, I don't lose as much, and she won’t lose anything, but if I have a great week where I get most of my calories from meat and vegetables then I will lose at least a pound more...but you still need to eat at a deficit for this to work.0 -
do you mean if you stay under your allotted cals you will still not lose weight? ever?
Number of calories I eat and exercise I do is meaningless if I am eating too many carbs. I ride a bike, walk, do strength training, and eat healthy food and am at a calorie deficit, but do not lose ANYTHING at all. the best I can do while eating carbs is stay below 1200 calories, starve myself, and maintain my fat belly. No thank you.
I will back you up on this. I am exactly the same. Months and months of 1400 calories with no loss. 1400 calories eating less than 75 grams of carbs = steady loss. All other things remaining equal.0 -
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"...each and everyone is different."
I contest this idea.
Says the man with the tinfoil hat.....
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I have not read this particular book, but in working with my dietician I have discovered that I cannot and will not lose weight on any of the traditional so-called "healthy" diets. I am very active and have eaten healthy for years.. still year after year, my weight goes up, my waist gets bigger and my energy goes down. Exercise has no impact at all on my weight, and I've never lost more than a couple of pounds on Weight Watchers, Nutri-system, Quick Weight Loss Center -- even tried Joel Furhman's Eat To Live, Why? We believe it's because when I eat carbs, my body will not burn fat - no matter how much I exercise or how low-fat my diet is, my body will only use carbs for fuel.
It is not fat that makes me fat -- it's carbs that makes me fat. This is not true of everyone, but if you eat a healthy carb - like an apple, and then a couple of hours later you are craving a cookie -- you could also be carb-sensitive, insulin resistant or as the book says Metabolism B.
I am currently on a low-carb, high fat, moderate protein diet. 62% of my calories every day must come from fat, 25% from protein and only 13% from carbs. My carbs are only green vegetables - mostly raw. In 3 weeks, I've lost 4 pounds. More importantly, I've lost 2.5 inches on my waist - 2 inches on my hips and 2 inches on my chest!! I am in a mild state of ketosis, which is *NOT* a bad thing. I will have a blood test in a few weeks and we expect my bad cholesterol to drop and my good cholesterol to increase. I've already noticed a drop in my blood pressure.
Calories in/Calories Out is a myth if you are like me. No matter how few calories I eat or how much I exercise, if I eat certain carbs and volume of carbs, I absolutely will not lose weight. I am currently reading "Why We Get Fat: And What to Do About It". It's a tough read - lots of research and scientific data - but it explains where the Calories In/Calories Out myth came from - and it explains that prior to WW2 there were German scientists that were well on their way to figuring out that Carbs make us fat, not fat... their research was shunned after the war because they were German and the idea of Calories In/Calories out was born.
We are not fat because we overeat - we overeat because we are fat! I know I will probably get blasted for this, and it is not true of everyone, but if you have dieted and been honest about your calorie intake and exercise, and not lost weight, this might be true of you!! If you have a beer belly -- ask yourself -- how much fat is in beer? NONE!! Beer is all carbs and it makes your belly fat! I rest my case.
you sound like me! low carb all the way!
calories mean nothing to me.
but, as always, your mileage may vary.
i just feel excellent when in ketosis. i wish everyone could feel as good as i do!0 -
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bump to read later - i think this really applies to me too!0
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Very interesting. How did you discover this?
My doctor first suggested that I get rid of carbs - I said "even fruit" and she said -- pretty much all carbs except green, leafy vegetables. But she didn't give me a diet - how many calories to eat, ration of carbs/fat/protein.
Now I have a dietician and we meet weekly to go over my weight loss, Body Fat percentage, measurements, etc. to see if we need to tweak it. At this point, I'm on 1300 calories a day - 62% fat, 25% protein, 13% carbs. I meet with him tonight and we'll see if I need to tweak or stay the course.
This is what my nutritionist says is the BEST way to eat - at least for me, too. Glad to see I have this in common with someone! :flowerforyou:
I also have to drink 1/2 my weight in water every day. I also work out at least 1 hour a day 6-7 days a week - combination of strength, Pilates and cardio.
I don't want to leave the impression that this is for everyone -- but if you are someone who has tried every kind of low fat diet eating "healthy" carbs, and have not lost weight, this might be you. I understand about 50% of overweight people might respond to this type of eating and lose weight.
This is exactly what my nutritionist told me to do. Amazing!0 -
Very interesting. How did you discover this?
My doctor first suggested that I get rid of carbs - I said "even fruit" and she said -- pretty much all carbs except green, leafy vegetables. But she didn't give me a diet - how many calories to eat, ration of carbs/fat/protein.
Now I have a dietician and we meet weekly to go over my weight loss, Body Fat percentage, measurements, etc. to see if we need to tweak it. At this point, I'm on 1300 calories a day - 62% fat, 25% protein, 13% carbs. I meet with him tonight and we'll see if I need to tweak or stay the course.
I also have to drink 1/2 my weight in water every day. I also work out at least 1 hour a day 6-7 days a week - combination of strength, Pilates and cardio.
I don't want to leave the impression that this is for everyone -- but if you are someone who has tried every kind of low fat diet eating "healthy" carbs, and have not lost weight, this might be you. I understand about 50% of overweight people might respond to this type of eating and lose weight.
So you really drink half your weight in water everyday? How are you not dead? I am about 200lbs. A pound of water is about 8 oz (give or take depending on the temp of the water). So I would have to drink 100 cups of water to follow your advice. That would be 800 oz or 6.25 gallons. That is well above the 4 gallons that healthy human kidneys can process in a day. Even if you were much lighter and had to drink somewhat less it would severely tax your body after just a few days.0 -
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I will need to go peek at this as well... I too have been "clean eating" for the last 4 months... with very little scale change... Hypothyroid, but i keep falling into the4 "normal range" on that... no help from family dr...
This may be the next idea to try!!! Thanks so much!0 -
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Very interesting thread. thanks for the info. :flowerforyou:0
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Very interesting. How did you discover this?
My doctor first suggested that I get rid of carbs - I said "even fruit" and she said -- pretty much all carbs except green, leafy vegetables. But she didn't give me a diet - how many calories to eat, ration of carbs/fat/protein.
Now I have a dietician and we meet weekly to go over my weight loss, Body Fat percentage, measurements, etc. to see if we need to tweak it. At this point, I'm on 1300 calories a day - 62% fat, 25% protein, 13% carbs. I meet with him tonight and we'll see if I need to tweak or stay the course.
I also have to drink 1/2 my weight in water every day. I also work out at least 1 hour a day 6-7 days a week - combination of strength, Pilates and cardio.
I don't want to leave the impression that this is for everyone -- but if you are someone who has tried every kind of low fat diet eating "healthy" carbs, and have not lost weight, this might be you. I understand about 50% of overweight people might respond to this type of eating and lose weight.
Fortunately, for MOST of us this is not the case and a restrictive almost no carb diet that relies on Ketosis (high-fat, adequate-protein, low-carbohydrate diet) for weightloss is not sustainable and most often results in a quick re-gain of lost weight.
For MOST people it would be easier to lose weight on such a diet but this does not mean this is the only way for MOST people to lose weight. MOST people, however, do need to consume fewer carbohydrates and increase their levels of exercise.
Perhaps the biggest barrier to MOST people reaching their weightloss goals is their belief that there is some extraordinary reason for their gain and inability to lose weight. MFP has shown a great many people that when they document and regulate their eating patterns and exercise they can lose weight.0 -
Very interesting. How did you discover this?
My doctor first suggested that I get rid of carbs - I said "even fruit" and she said -- pretty much all carbs except green, leafy vegetables. But she didn't give me a diet - how many calories to eat, ration of carbs/fat/protein.
Now I have a dietician and we meet weekly to go over my weight loss, Body Fat percentage, measurements, etc. to see if we need to tweak it. At this point, I'm on 1300 calories a day - 62% fat, 25% protein, 13% carbs. I meet with him tonight and we'll see if I need to tweak or stay the course.
I also have to drink 1/2 my weight in water every day. I also work out at least 1 hour a day 6-7 days a week - combination of strength, Pilates and cardio.
I don't want to leave the impression that this is for everyone -- but if you are someone who has tried every kind of low fat diet eating "healthy" carbs, and have not lost weight, this might be you. I understand about 50% of overweight people might respond to this type of eating and lose weight.
So you really drink half your weight in water everyday? How are you not dead? I am about 200lbs. A pound of water is about 8 oz (give or take depending on the temp of the water). So I would have to drink 100 cups of water to follow your advice. That would be 800 oz or 6.25 gallons. That is well above the 4 gallons that healthy human kidneys can process in a day. Even if you were much lighter and had to drink somewhat less it would severely tax your body after just a few days.
Half your weight = 100 lbs. Drink that in ounces. Pretty sure that's much more reasonable.0 -
I was dx with metabolic syndrome recently. I gained 40 lbs from a medication which is notorious for weight gain and causing this syndrome. I've been trying since October to lose it. I was on MFP with a different account but closed it for privacy reasons. I started at 1200 calories but figured out my BMR was higher. I changed it to 1500. I spent an hour a day at the gym 6 days a week. And I gained weight.
About a month ago I changed my carbs to 40% (I often don't make that) and my dr prescribed metformin. I've lost about 7 or 8 lbs. For me that book rings true.0 -
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I've lost 60 lbs doing something similar. I too have tried all the diets you mentioned, gave up and tried just eating healthy per my doctor but continued to gain. Did alot of reading and talking to personal trainers, non competition and competiton body builders and determined that my body very efficiently stores all those "healthy" carbs.
I do 30% carbs, 50% protein and 20% fat. I only eat all my carbs on days where I do heavy exercise. I've just recently added corn and peas and raw carrots back into my diet about once a month for each otherwise I only eat green beans, asparagus, brocoli, cauliflower, bell peppers and lettuce. I also only eat berries for fruit. Occasionally I have grapes, grapefruit and melon. I eat a whole grain english muffin with organic nothing added peanut butter and no sugar added berry jam once a week. Whole grain pasta once every 2-3 months and whole grain brown rice once every 1-2 months. Most of the time I don't miss the carbs. I have had times abt 3-4 months apart where I've craved carbs for about a week. Then I have to up my carb intake so I don't go off the deep end, knowing I'm going to go up a couple pounds but it wont be a true weight gain, I'll drop back down fairly easily.
I do most of the cooking, grocery shopping and menu planning in my family. In the begining it was hard to cook and not eat stuff I couldnt have. I had to wean myself off the "bad" stuff. Any more it's not much problem. I no longer like the taste or the way I feel after eating that stuff. I still have a problem with cake, cookies, pie and candy. If it's in the house I want it.
I had to accept that this way of eating and thinking about food is a livestyle change. I will have to eat this way for the rest of my life in order to continue to lose and then maintain once I reach my goal. Some days are tougher than others but in the long run it's worth it.0 -
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@tecallahan: thanks. how long before you saw results. I have tried lower carbs a few times and either gain or stay the same, even though i am still at a deficit.
Also how do you get enough fiber?? I need 40 g a day minimum to keep things from backing up (sorry TMI)
Some people do low carb/high protein and keep the fat low. That's not what I'm doing... my protein is moderate (25%). I am in moderate ketosis -- which means I am burning FAT!!
I started losing inches the first week... then a pound a week after that. Some people will have remarkable weight loss, but my body is so freaking efficient at burning carbs, that it still tries to resist burning fat instead.
Yeah - you can use some of your carb grams on a fiber supplement. That's what I have to do as well.
Read the book: Why We Get Fat and What To Do About It. By Gary Taubes. It's not a miracle diet-- in fact there's no diet in the book at all. It's a tough read, but it goes into great details about the science of why Calories In/Calories Out doesn't work for everyone. And why some of us are not fat because we overeat... we overeat because we are fat!
Again, it's not for everyone -- but if you have belly fat, high cholesterol, high blood pressure yet you eat right and exercise -- this might be your answer. Some people are blessed with proper insulin usage and some are not. I was just lucky that my doctor and my dietician figured it out for me. Now I have to stay the course.
For anyone considering this....please do a search of the discussions about Taubes on this site.0 -
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The recommendation for a low-carb diet certainly applies to all of us PCOS girls - I can eat 800 cals a day and exercise like a demon, on recommended food pyramid macros and gain weight. The only way I can lose (and most PCOS girls can lose) is on low carb. A calorie is not just a calorie.
People always say "but then I went off low-carb, and I gained it all back!" as if this is a reason not to start low-carb. If you are doing low-carb because that's the only thing that works for you, you need to treat it as a lifestyle change and stick with it forever. Same as if reducing your cals and exercising is the only thing that works (as is true for most people), when you go back to eating the way that made you gain weight you will gain it back.0 -
The recommendation for a low-carb diet certainly applies to all of us PCOS girls - I can eat 800 cals a day and exercise like a demon, on recommended food pyramid macros and gain weight. The only way I can lose (and most PCOS girls can lose) is on low carb. A calorie is not just a calorie.
People always say "but then I went off low-carb, and I gained it all back!" as if this is a reason not to start low-carb. If you are doing low-carb because that's the only thing that works for you, you need to treat it as a lifestyle change and stick with it forever. Same as if reducing your cals and exercising is the only thing that works (as is true for most people), when you go back to eating the way that made you gain weight you will gain it back.
If you have a properly conducted study to direct me to i'd be more than happy to check it out. By properly conducted i mean one which has appropriate controls (holding calories constant for starters), a sufficient sample size (at least several hundred), and should have statistically significant results (p value<.05)0 -
Very interesting. How did you discover this?
My doctor first suggested that I get rid of carbs - I said "even fruit" and she said -- pretty much all carbs except green, leafy vegetables. But she didn't give me a diet - how many calories to eat, ration of carbs/fat/protein.
Now I have a dietician and we meet weekly to go over my weight loss, Body Fat percentage, measurements, etc. to see if we need to tweak it. At this point, I'm on 1300 calories a day - 62% fat, 25% protein, 13% carbs. I meet with him tonight and we'll see if I need to tweak or stay the course.
I also have to drink 1/2 my weight in water every day. I also work out at least 1 hour a day 6-7 days a week - combination of strength, Pilates and cardio.
I don't want to leave the impression that this is for everyone -- but if you are someone who has tried every kind of low fat diet eating "healthy" carbs, and have not lost weight, this might be you. I understand about 50% of overweight people might respond to this type of eating and lose weight.
So you really drink half your weight in water everyday? How are you not dead? I am about 200lbs. A pound of water is about 8 oz (give or take depending on the temp of the water). So I would have to drink 100 cups of water to follow your advice. That would be 800 oz or 6.25 gallons. That is well above the 4 gallons that healthy human kidneys can process in a day. Even if you were much lighter and had to drink somewhat less it would severely tax your body after just a few days.
I think she meant half her weight in ounces. So, if you are 200lbs, you'd drink 100oz.0 -
Except when you and I both count calories, and have equal deficits over time due to comparable amounts of exercise and similar diet makeup, and you lose and I don't.0 -
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