Sugars in fruit

dobenjam

count, it is still sugar. Too much fruit is no good for you because of the sugar. Too much and eventually it will be stored as fat, same as any other sugar really

Please describe the metabolic pathway by which sugar is stored as fat. Thanks.

Sugar-->Glucose-->Glycogen-->Fat

This is, of course, simplistic.

It's also 100% wrong

You're right, you can eat all the sugar you want and never gain an ounce of fat....

deksgrl

I do not count sugars in fruits, because I'm not diabetic. For a non-diabetic you shouldn't have to worry about it.

Sugar is not necessarily just sugar. There's simple sugars and there's complex sugars. These digest differently in the system and that's what makes the difference. I remember this from a college level nutrition course but here's an article explaining the difference.

http://www.everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/101/nutrition-basics/good-carbs-bad-carbs.aspx

"Fruits and vegetables are actually simple carbohydrates — still composed of basic sugars, although they are drastically different from other foods in the category, like cookies and cakes. The fiber in fruits and vegetables changes the way that the body processes their sugars and slows down their digestion, making them a bit more like complex carbohydrates."

You NEED carbs (sugar) for energy. If you don't have a balance, all work you are doing will not pay off in the long run or your body will start "eating" the wrong sources for fuel.

^^^THIS^^^

UponThisRock

Protein doesn't turn into fat either

Too much of anything turns in to fat. Glucose converts to fat when glycogen stores are full. If you eat too much protein, it gets converted to glucose by the gluconeogenesis process and this goes back "are glycogen stores full?" IF yes, then it gets converted to fat as well.

If glycogen stores are full, more carbs are used for energy and fat burning is down-regulated. Very little will ever be converted to fat, because the metabolic pathway necessary for this to happen is highly inactive in humans.

LeahFerri

Protein doesn't turn into fat either

I'm not arguing with you because it isn't worth my time.

Also, the pathway I posted earlier was in specific response to how sugar CAN be converted to fat. IN NO WAY was I saying that all sugar consumed is turned to fat. Just to clarify.

UponThisRock

Protein doesn't turn into fat either

I'm not arguing with you because it isn't worth my time.

Also, the pathway I posted earlier was in specific response to how sugar CAN be converted to fat. IN NO WAY was I saying that all sugar consumed is turned to fat. Just to clarify.

A more accurate statement would be: "Very little, if any, will ever be converted to fat."

GrahamBarwick

Protein doesn't turn into fat either

Too much of anything turns in to fat. Glucose converts to fat when glycogen stores are full. If you eat too much protein, it gets converted to glucose by the gluconeogenesis process and this goes back "are glycogen stores full?" IF yes, then it gets converted to fat as well.

If glycogen stores are full, more carbs are used for energy and fat burning is down-regulated. Very little will ever be converted to fat, because the metabolic pathway necessary for this to happen is highly inactive in humans.

what a tool...............hahahahahahahah no really an actuall tool..

this link here explains what happens to Excess fatty acids, glucose, and other nutrients can be stored efficiently as fat-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatty_acid_metabolism

GrahamBarwick

your the guy who needs to get a life hahahaha

GrahamBarwick

so if this is true and this comes fro a factual source then excess sugar will eventually store as fat


Fatty acids are an important source of energy and adenosine triphosphate (ATP) for many cellular organisms. Excess fatty acids, glucose, and other nutrients can be stored efficiently as fat. Triglycerides yield more than twice as much energy for the same mass as do carbohydrates or proteins


read the full page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatty_acid_metabolism

samatalma

Protein doesn't turn into fat either

Too much of anything turns in to fat. Glucose converts to fat when glycogen stores are full. If you eat too much protein, it gets converted to glucose by the gluconeogenesis process and this goes back "are glycogen stores full?" IF yes, then it gets converted to fat as well.

If glycogen stores are full, more carbs are used for energy and fat burning is down-regulated. Very little will ever be converted to fat, because the metabolic pathway necessary for this to happen is highly inactive in humans.

what a tool...............hahahahahahahah no really an actuall tool..

this link here explains what happens to Excess fatty acids, glucose, and other nutrients can be stored efficiently as fat-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatty_acid_metabolism

Really? You're going to cite Wikipedia as a source? One of THE MOST unreliable sites for information?


I don't know which information is right, but you can definitely bet that I am going to go with the guy who DOESN'T cite Wikipedia as his sole reference.





That being said, I would count/log fruits for my sugars (I don't have my sugar displayed at the moment in my food log), but I wouldn't be too terribly worried if I were over due to fruit. Fruit is SO good for you!

izerop

Ok, just wanted to put in my two cents.

You should count it as sugar, it is what it is.

However, sugar in fruit is the only sugar I would consume. After all, you need this natural sugar to sustain yourself. If you are really trying to lose weight, DO NOT put any white/refined sugar (high fructose corn syrup included) in your body. Fruit contains "fiber" which helps cancel out the storing of fat process. Its sugars antidote if you will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM <--- watch this video, sugar the bitter truth. Its very good.

ShrinkingNinja

I do not count sugars in fruits, because I'm not diabetic. For a non-diabetic you shouldn't have to worry about it.

Actually, with all due respect, this is not entirely accurate. I am not a diabetic, but I do have to watch my fruit intake anyway. I weigh daily and if I eat 1 apple on a day I do not workout I will gain weight. It is just a fact of my life... There is such a thing as a leptin issue that watching your sugars, all sugars, can help fix.

ShrinkingNinja

count, it is still sugar. Too much fruit is no good for you because of the sugar. Too much and eventually it will be stored as fat, same as any other sugar really

Please describe the metabolic pathway by which sugar is stored as fat. Thanks.

why?????? who are you

You said sugar is stored as fat. I'd like to know how.

whats it got to do with you how i know, who are you god

I'm just that guy whose pointing out that you have no idea what you're talking about

And supporting your claims with no facts, hmmmm.....

GrahamBarwick

Protein doesn't turn into fat either

Too much of anything turns in to fat. Glucose converts to fat when glycogen stores are full. If you eat too much protein, it gets converted to glucose by the gluconeogenesis process and this goes back "are glycogen stores full?" IF yes, then it gets converted to fat as well.

If glycogen stores are full, more carbs are used for energy and fat burning is down-regulated. Very little will ever be converted to fat, because the metabolic pathway necessary for this to happen is highly inactive in humans.

what a tool...............hahahahahahahah no really an actuall tool..

this link here explains what happens to Excess fatty acids, glucose, and other nutrients can be stored efficiently as fat-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatty_acid_metabolism

Really? You're going to cite Wikipedia as a source? One of THE MOST unreliable sites for information?


I don't know which information is right, but you can definitely bet that I am going to go with the guy who DOESN'T cite Wikipedia as his sole reference.





That being said, I would count/log fruits for my sugars (I don't have my sugar displayed at the moment in my food log), but I wouldn't be too terribly worried if I were over due to fruit. Fruit is SO good for you!

i could really go on and posting links to various websites that have lots of info about this as there is lots but i won't.

krypt5

Ok, just wanted to put in my two cents.

You should count it as sugar, it is what it is.

However, sugar in fruit is the only sugar I would consume, if you are really trying to lose weight, don't put any white/refined sugar in your body. Fruit contains "Fiber" which helps cancel out the storing of fat process. Its sugars antidote if you will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM <--- watch this video, sugar the bitter truth. Its very good.

Ever heard of dosing and context? The guy in the video blatantly omits it.

BellydanceBliss

Do you guys count the natural sugar in your fruits? My daily sugar goal is about 30 g and I keep going over but it's mostly from fruit as the other foods I eat is either sugar free or no sugar added and pretty low in sugar . I'm usually over by like 20 g

I dont...while I do chart the calories now, I consider it a free thing and it helps me stay away from other bad sugars.

bcattoes

count, it is still sugar. Too much fruit is no good for you because of the sugar. Too much and eventually it will be stored as fat, same as any other sugar really

Please describe the metabolic pathway by which sugar is stored as fat. Thanks.

why?????? who are you

:laugh:

Alisha_countrymama

Sugar is Sugar is Sugar, whether it's from fruit of a table spoon of sugar in your coffee, you body still treats it the same. Watching your sugar intake is a good idea!

rainunrefined

Sugar is sugar.. that's for sure. BUT I can honestly tell you.. I didn't gain weight by eating too many strawberries.

LeahFerri

Really? You're going to cite Wikipedia as a source? One of THE MOST unreliable sites for information?


I don't know which information is right, but you can definitely bet that I am going to go with the guy who DOESN'T cite Wikipedia as his sole reference.

A study of the accuracy of Wikipedia:
http://frodo.lib.uic.edu/ojsjournals/index.php/fm/article/view/1413/1331
An article on a study of the accuracy of Wikipedia:
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html

Considering the websites out there that say Elvis is still alive and that fasting cures cancer, I would say that Wikipedia is not among the most unreliable sites for information. This is my personal opinion, but I also would be slightly more inclined to agree with the person who cites information in the public domain than a person who cites... nothing. Blindly hating on a website isn't responsible information consumption.

GrahamBarwick

Just a few more details for the know it all, he might want to read. So by his own admission sugar is turned to glucose and then.......

http://www.biology-online.org/biology-forum/about14962.html


http://www.genome.jp/kegg/pathway/map/map00620.html

UponThisRock

so if this is true and this comes fro a factual source then excess sugar will eventually store as fat


Fatty acids are an important source of energy and adenosine triphosphate (ATP) for many cellular organisms. Excess fatty acids, glucose, and other nutrients can be stored efficiently as fat. Triglycerides yield more than twice as much energy for the same mass as do carbohydrates or proteins


read the full page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatty_acid_metabolism

You link says: "Excess fatty acids, glucose, and other nutrients can be stored efficiently as fat"

As far as excess glucose goes, this simply isn't true. This is because the metabolic pathway required to do so, De Novo Lipogenesis, or DNL, is highly inactive in humans: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10365981

In one study, 500g of carbs eaten at once led to a mere 3-4g of fat being synthesized. And this wasn't even part of a mixed meal, which would likely have led to even less carbs being synthesized as fat: http://www.ajcn.org/content/45/1/78

fimary

I had a apple and a mandarin, sounds good and healthy and over on my sugar?????
something wrong somewhere?

Faintgreeneyes

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/408026-myth-busting

Here is a link to a topic I posted awhile ago, concering eating fruit and the sugar content. For those that can't look at it- here is the gist of it

Just happened upon an article talking about food myths concerning weight loss- sugar is not the devil, especially when its comes to eating fruit!

"5. Myth: Fruit Has too Much Sugar to Eat for Weight Loss
With all the sugar that is added to processed foods, the sugar in fruit is the least of your worries. Getting rid of fruit means you are losing out on valuable vitamins and nutrients that your body absorbs easily since they're found in their natural, whole state. "Eliminating fruit from your diet when trying to lose weight makes no sense," Batayneh says. You’ll miss out on a whole lot of filling fiber, which studies have directly linked to long-term weight loss, and you may be more likely to reach for other processed, empty food items instead."


So, while its great to keep in mind how much sugar you are eating- I honestly do not count it or keep track of it. I eat in everything in moderation, and have lost 15 pounds- while eating sugar almost everyday. As long as you are in a cal deficit you will lose weight.

GrahamBarwick

so if this is true and this comes fro a factual source then excess sugar will eventually store as fat


Fatty acids are an important source of energy and adenosine triphosphate (ATP) for many cellular organisms. Excess fatty acids, glucose, and other nutrients can be stored efficiently as fat. Triglycerides yield more than twice as much energy for the same mass as do carbohydrates or proteins


read the full page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatty_acid_metabolism

You link says: "Excess fatty acids, glucose, and other nutrients can be stored efficiently as fat"

As far as excess glucose goes, this simply isn't true. This is because the metabolic pathway required to do so, De Novo Lipogenesis, or DNL, is highly inactive in humans: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10365981

In one study, 500g of carbs eaten at once led to a mere 3-4g of fat being synthesized. And this wasn't even part of a mixed meal, which would likely have led to even less carbs being synthesized as fat: http://www.ajcn.org/content/45/1/78

really hhhhmmmmmmmmmm interesting, NOT.

http://www.biology-online.org/biology-forum/about14962.html

Read that and clink the link on there, that will give you the scientific pathway your looking for

UponThisRock

so if this is true and this comes fro a factual source then excess sugar will eventually store as fat


Fatty acids are an important source of energy and adenosine triphosphate (ATP) for many cellular organisms. Excess fatty acids, glucose, and other nutrients can be stored efficiently as fat. Triglycerides yield more than twice as much energy for the same mass as do carbohydrates or proteins


read the full page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatty_acid_metabolism

You link says: "Excess fatty acids, glucose, and other nutrients can be stored efficiently as fat"

As far as excess glucose goes, this simply isn't true. This is because the metabolic pathway required to do so, De Novo Lipogenesis, or DNL, is highly inactive in humans: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10365981

In one study, 500g of carbs eaten at once led to a mere 3-4g of fat being synthesized. And this wasn't even part of a mixed meal, which would likely have led to even less carbs being synthesized as fat: http://www.ajcn.org/content/45/1/78

really hhhhmmmmmmmmmm interesting, NOT.

http://www.biology-online.org/biology-forum/about14962.html

Read that and clink the link on there, that will give you the scientific pathway your looking for

The pathway exists, but is highly inactive in humans. Almost no carbohydrate is ever converted to fat in real world situations. In the study I posted, subjects were given a ridiculous amount of carbs only, in a fasted state, to synthesize a mere 3-4g of fat. You're certainly not going to get even close to that by slicing up a banana in your cheerios.

UponThisRock

I am currently majoring in biochem and from a research perspective I can tell you that often studies are misinterpreted or misunderstood. I have seen people completely make up data to get a report in on time. I am not saying you're misinterpreting it, I am saying that sometimes we do a project to test something, and we get lost in the process and sure our test are correct but it's not what we where originally trying to convey. No one can deny if we eat 5000 calories of carbohydrates we wiil start to gain body fat. If DNL is supressed in humans okay, that's fine, but that doesn't mean we won't get fat.

You would gain body fat, but that is not to say that the carbs turn into fat.

Is this all just semantics? Yeah, kinda. But saying things like "excess carbs turn into fat" without understanding what you're talking about is the kind of thing leads to misguided diet ideas that demonize carbs as the root of all belly fat.

GrahamBarwick

so if this is true and this comes fro a factual source then excess sugar will eventually store as fat


Fatty acids are an important source of energy and adenosine triphosphate (ATP) for many cellular organisms. Excess fatty acids, glucose, and other nutrients can be stored efficiently as fat. Triglycerides yield more than twice as much energy for the same mass as do carbohydrates or proteins


read the full page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatty_acid_metabolism

You link says: "Excess fatty acids, glucose, and other nutrients can be stored efficiently as fat"

As far as excess glucose goes, this simply isn't true. This is because the metabolic pathway required to do so, De Novo Lipogenesis, or DNL, is highly inactive in humans: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10365981

In one study, 500g of carbs eaten at once led to a mere 3-4g of fat being synthesized. And this wasn't even part of a mixed meal, which would likely have led to even less carbs being synthesized as fat: http://www.ajcn.org/content/45/1/78

really hhhhmmmmmmmmmm interesting, NOT.

http://www.biology-online.org/biology-forum/about14962.html

Read that and clink the link on there, that will give you the scientific pathway your looking for

The pathway exists, but is highly inactive in humans. Almost no carbohydrate is ever converted to fat in real world situations. In the study I posted, subjects were given a ridiculous amount of carbs only, in a fasted state, to synthesize a mere 3-4g of fat. You're certainly not going to get even close to that by slicing up a banana in your cheerios.

bye hahaha.... clearly you are a man that knows it all (or thinks he so but really you are clueless) I back up what i said with science and you still disagree..

see ya

GrahamBarwick

I am currently majoring in biochem and from a research perspective I can tell you that often studies are misinterpreted or misunderstood. I have seen people completely make up data to get a report in on time. I am not saying you're misinterpreting it, I am saying that sometimes we do a project to test something, and we get lost in the process and sure our test are correct but it's not what we where originally trying to convey. No one can deny if we eat 5000 calories of carbohydrates we wiil start to gain body fat. If DNL is supressed in humans okay, that's fine, but that doesn't mean we won't get fat.

You would gain body fat, but that is not to say that the carbs turn into fat.

Is this all just semantics? Yeah, kinda. But saying things like "excess carbs turn into fat" without understanding what you're talking about is the kind of thing leads to misguided diet ideas that demonize carbs as the root of all belly fat.

you are the one who is clearly at odd's with everyone and actuall facts..WHAT A GUY, WHAT A GUY PMSL

katcod1522

wait....if you eat an apple you gain weight??? Apple water weight I might think..lol Im so confused.

Calories in vs calories out for weight loss/gain...

ShrinkingNinja

wait....if you eat an apple you gain weight??? Apple water weight I might think..lol Im so confused.

Calories in vs calories out for weight loss/gain...

My leptin levels are all jacked up... So yes, for me, I will see a gain the next morning on the scale. Has I am losing weight, it is getting better though... But my rule of thumb is I HAVE TO WORKOUT if I eat fruit.