"Sit-ups, vigorous" calories

cutiekaylaa

Logging 5 minutes of "Sit-ups, vigorous" equals 45 calories burned on MFP. I was just wonder how accurate this was.

bulletproofkasper

you don't burn alot of calories by doing sit-ups or things simular unless your doing a few minutes of cardio then the sit-ups ect followed by more cardio so your heart rate stays up, if your not doing it like that it's not worth counting cause your body is burning calories anyway just sitting here typing and i can't see it burning many more calories with just sit-up type exercises alone.

Not that sit-ups and simular exercises arn't good but they are just good for a completely different reason to calorie burning

JamesBurkes

Seems about right to me (as a 200lb guy). I burn around 120 calories doing Ab Ripper X which is around 15 minutes.

GoBucks34

Yeah I just did 40 situps and it said I didnt burn any calories.

ChantalGG

Sit ups are a muscle toner or builder you dont get the immediate calories burn but you will get a nice sculpted tummy eventually.

aproc

I would guess not very accurate. I don't log my weight lifting/strength conditioning except to just create that surplus of calories I am supposed to be hitting.

waldo56

Actually that is pretty accurate # for it. It is hard to estimate due to variances in exertion, but the vigorous effort and circuit training entries are pretty good for moderate-moderate high effort strength training (with or without weights), including set to rest. If you are doing max effort circuit training (such as a crossfit metcon) they are too low (fairly significantly actually).

HRM's underestimate strength training big time because it is not aerobic. The anaerobic energy pathway is hideously inefficient, bad if you are trying to conserve energy, good if you are trying to burn calories, and it is very poorly estimated by heart rate. Also the 2-4 days that you spend sore recovering...your body spends calories making you unsore. A lot of them. A lot more than this EPOC nonsense that interval people are all about..

LessJos

HRM's underestimate strength training big time because it is not aerobic. The anaerobic energy pathway is hideously inefficient, bad if you are trying to conserve energy, good if you are trying to burn calories, and it is very poorly estimated by heart rate. Also the 2-4 days that you spend sore recovering...your body spends calories making you unsore. A lot of them. A lot more than this EPOC nonsense that interval people are all about..

Underestimates? Oh wow. I didn't know that. I burn lots with bodyweight exercises according to my HRM.

waldo56

HRM's underestimate strength training big time because it is not aerobic. The anaerobic energy pathway is hideously inefficient, bad if you are trying to conserve energy, good if you are trying to burn calories, and it is very poorly estimated by heart rate. Also the 2-4 days that you spend sore recovering...your body spends calories making you unsore. A lot of them. A lot more than this EPOC nonsense that interval people are all about..

Underestimates? Oh wow. I didn't know that. I burn lots with bodyweight exercises according to my HRM.

By quite a bit. A HRM measures aerobic calorie burn only. Most energy expenditure during weightlifting/strength training is anaerobic. And glucose is 19x more efficient at producing energy aerobically than anaerobically. Not only do you use a lot of energy, you have to use a ton of glucose to produce it. Recovery time has a significant calorie cost as well.

It is really hard to find good information regarding the actual calorie burn of anaerobic activities like weight lifting. This is because it is very hard to actually determine. With aerobic activites you can measure oxygen turnover or get a decent estimate based off of heart rate. To determine the actual calorie expediture of anaerobic activities you would need to measure blood lactose levels in real time with the exercise. There really isn't a good way to do this so there is virtually no research on the subject.

I keep extremely detailed records including constant day to day BMR/base TDEE calculations based off scale and measurement results, so can get a fairly reasonable indirect measurement of the calorie burn. When I'm in a trained state, that is have some degree of DOMS going on from strength training, my BMR is 20% greater than when I'm not (a 500 calorie per day difference). And I use the vigorous training entry for the whole time working out (unless I'm doing really easy stuff and not working hard at all). If I were to include the BMR rise with the actual activity, I'd need to triple the calorie burn, the 600 calorie weight lifting session will actually net 1500-2000 calories burned above and beyond if I was doing no exercise between when performed and the next few days. But I keep in a constantly trained state so consider my base BMR to be 20% greater than it actually to account for this, and just use the entries for the actual calorie expenditure of performing the activity, ignoring the recovery.

Most people on MFP hideously underestimate their calorie expenditure from strength training and other anaerobic activities. You begin to get a picture of just how off you are when you try to gain weight. There is a reason that people weightlifing hard don't actually start gaining until they near or surpass the 4000 calories per day area of intake.

LessJos

HRM's underestimate strength training big time because it is not aerobic. The anaerobic energy pathway is hideously inefficient, bad if you are trying to conserve energy, good if you are trying to burn calories, and it is very poorly estimated by heart rate. Also the 2-4 days that you spend sore recovering...your body spends calories making you unsore. A lot of them. A lot more than this EPOC nonsense that interval people are all about..

Underestimates? Oh wow. I didn't know that. I burn lots with bodyweight exercises according to my HRM.

By quite a bit. A HRM measures aerobic calorie burn only. Most energy expenditure during weightlifting/strength training is anaerobic. And glucose is 19x more efficient at producing energy aerobically than anaerobically. Not only do you use a lot of energy, you have to use a ton of glucose to produce it. Recovery time has a significant calorie cost as well.

It is really hard to find good information regarding the actual calorie burn of anaerobic activities like weight lifting. This is because it is very hard to actually determine. With aerobic activites you can measure oxygen turnover or get a decent estimate based off of heart rate. To determine the actual calorie expediture of anaerobic activities you would need to measure blood lactose levels in real time with the exercise. There really isn't a good way to do this so there is virtually no research on the subject.

I keep extremely detailed records including constant day to day BMR/base TDEE calculations based off scale and measurement results. When I'm in a trained state, that is have some degree of DOMS going on from strength training, my BMR is 20% greater than when I'm not (a 500 calorie per day difference). And I use the vigorous training entry for the whole time working out (unless I'm doing really easy stuff and not working hard at all). If I were to include the BMR rise with the actual activity, I'd need to triple the calorie burn, the 600 calorie weight lifting session will actually net 1500-2000 calories burned above and beyond if I was doing no exercise between when performed and the next few days.

Wow. My HRM readings are already higher than the MFP database entries. I experience quite some DOMS after workouts so that would mean I am burning a bunch more the next day too? Geez, this gets more complicated by the day.
I already have a hard time upping my calories now but this sounds like I have to maybe even increase more?

waldo56

HRM's underestimate strength training big time because it is not aerobic. The anaerobic energy pathway is hideously inefficient, bad if you are trying to conserve energy, good if you are trying to burn calories, and it is very poorly estimated by heart rate. Also the 2-4 days that you spend sore recovering...your body spends calories making you unsore. A lot of them. A lot more than this EPOC nonsense that interval people are all about..

Underestimates? Oh wow. I didn't know that. I burn lots with bodyweight exercises according to my HRM.

By quite a bit. A HRM measures aerobic calorie burn only. Most energy expenditure during weightlifting/strength training is anaerobic. And glucose is 19x more efficient at producing energy aerobically than anaerobically. Not only do you use a lot of energy, you have to use a ton of glucose to produce it. Recovery time has a significant calorie cost as well.

It is really hard to find good information regarding the actual calorie burn of anaerobic activities like weight lifting. This is because it is very hard to actually determine. With aerobic activites you can measure oxygen turnover or get a decent estimate based off of heart rate. To determine the actual calorie expediture of anaerobic activities you would need to measure blood lactose levels in real time with the exercise. There really isn't a good way to do this so there is virtually no research on the subject.

I keep extremely detailed records including constant day to day BMR/base TDEE calculations based off scale and measurement results. When I'm in a trained state, that is have some degree of DOMS going on from strength training, my BMR is 20% greater than when I'm not (a 500 calorie per day difference). And I use the vigorous training entry for the whole time working out (unless I'm doing really easy stuff and not working hard at all). If I were to include the BMR rise with the actual activity, I'd need to triple the calorie burn, the 600 calorie weight lifting session will actually net 1500-2000 calories burned above and beyond if I was doing no exercise between when performed and the next few days.

Wow. My HRM readings are already higher than the MFP database entries. I experience quite some DOMS after workouts so that would mean I am burning a bunch more the next day too? Geez, this gets more complicated by the day.
I already have a hard time upping my calories now but this sounds like I have to maybe even increase more?

A good mental (and diet) health exercise for people that are losing weight and strength training hard is to switch gears and try to actually gain. You'll get a quick glycogen bump of a few pounds but after that to actually gain muscle/fat in a trained state it takes an enormous food intake. It flat out won't happen if you are eating under 3000 calories unless you are tiny.

This is why that eat more lose more group works so well. Because virtually everybody that strength trains massively underestimates their calorie burn, many end up with too big of a deficit and stall.