Keto Diet? What is it? Is it safe?

LadyPippen

The primal blueprint is about cutting out process carbs and fast carbs. Your body can survive on carbs from fruits and veggies, which is where you're supposed to be getting them from anyway.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-succeed-with-the-primal-blueprint/#axzz1n8XZBjE5

0-50 gr carbs a day=full ketosis quick weight loss
50-100 gr carbs...=healthy 1-2 lbs a week fat loss
100-150 gr carbs...=weight maintanance
150-250gr carbs...=weight gain ( in most people)
Over 250 gr per day = can lead to long term health problems.

All above taken from the Paleo diet by Mark Sisson

He is wrong. I have cut over 30lbs since January on carb intake of over 250g. People act like carbs has some magical profile. It's 4calories per gram just like protein. I don't see anyone cutting protein out. You're body needs a combination of all three to run optimally.

It's like saying cars doesn't need wheels. Sure, you take the wheels off you lose weight. You also can move along on the hubs. You wont be moving fast though.

Oh and according to my sumo-type (Endomorph) I should gain over 1000 pounds when I consume any carbs, but I don't. The carb phobia is disgusting.

AntWrig

http://www.leangains.com/2009/02/low-carb-talibans.html

Read and be enlightened.

AntWrig

The primal blueprint is about cutting out process carbs and fast carbs. Your body can survive on carbs from fruits and veggies, which is where you're supposed to be getting them from anyway.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-succeed-with-the-primal-blueprint/#axzz1n8XZBjE5

0-50 gr carbs a day=full ketosis quick weight loss
50-100 gr carbs...=healthy 1-2 lbs a week fat loss
100-150 gr carbs...=weight maintanance
150-250gr carbs...=weight gain ( in most people)
Over 250 gr per day = can lead to long term health problems.

All above taken from the Paleo diet by Mark Sisson

He is wrong. I have cut over 30lbs since January on carb intake of over 250g. People act like carbs has some magical profile. It's 4calories per gram just like protein. I don't see anyone cutting protein out. You're body needs a combination of all three to run optimally.

It's like saying cars doesn't need wheels. Sure, you take the wheels off you lose weight. You also can move along on the hubs. You wont be moving fast though.

Oh and according to my sumo-type (Endomorph) I should gain over 1000 pounds when I consume any carbs, but I don't. The carb phobia is disgusting.

According to whom? Do you have some magical time machine that allowed you to see what primal man was eating? Why do people take such things to extreme? Oh, I know they gotta sale books. There will always be someone gullible to buy it to.

Cutting "fast" carbs??? Is this real life. A fair bit of fruits are mid to high gi. Are those primal? They are considered fast digesting.

Go read a real book on the Keto, without the alarmist and paleo nonsense. Read the ketogenic diet by lyle mcdonald. IF you want to take it old school read the Anabolic Diet or the Anabolic Solution by Dr. Pasquale. I know you won't though.

LadyPippen

Yes we do have a time machine, its call the time line of agriculture, whenever agriculture came into play is where human nutrition started to change. Nobody can absolutely tell me what the purpose of a grain nutritionally and how humans benefit from it other than fiber, which we can get from vegetables. No more weight gain, no more insulin problems, no more disease and effortless weight loss.

The primal blueprint is about cutting out process carbs and fast carbs. Your body can survive on carbs from fruits and veggies, which is where you're supposed to be getting them from anyway.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-succeed-with-the-primal-blueprint/#axzz1n8XZBjE5

0-50 gr carbs a day=full ketosis quick weight loss
50-100 gr carbs...=healthy 1-2 lbs a week fat loss
100-150 gr carbs...=weight maintanance
150-250gr carbs...=weight gain ( in most people)
Over 250 gr per day = can lead to long term health problems.

All above taken from the Paleo diet by Mark Sisson

He is wrong. I have cut over 30lbs since January on carb intake of over 250g. People act like carbs has some magical profile. It's 4calories per gram just like protein. I don't see anyone cutting protein out. You're body needs a combination of all three to run optimally.

It's like saying cars doesn't need wheels. Sure, you take the wheels off you lose weight. You also can move along on the hubs. You wont be moving fast though.

Oh and according to my sumo-type (Endomorph) I should gain over 1000 pounds when I consume any carbs, but I don't. The carb phobia is disgusting.

According to whom? Do you have some magical time machine that allowed you to see what primal man was eating? Why do people take such things to extreme? Oh, I know they gotta sale books. There will always be someone gullible to buy it to.

Cutting "fast" carbs??? Is this real life. A fair bit of fruits are mid to high gi. Are those primal? They are considered fast digesting.

jonski1968

I have the ketogenic diet by lyle mcdonald...So what is your point?

And if anyone would care to read it...it can be found here if you have any bittorent programmes.

http://www.demonoid.me/files/?category=11&subcategory=All&language=0&seeded=0&external=2&query=lyle+mcdonald&uid=0&sort=

AntWrig

Yes we do have a time machine, its call the time line of agriculture, whenever agriculture came into play is where human nutrition started to change. Nobody can absolutely tell me what the purpose of a grain nutritionally and how humans benefit from it other than fiber, which we can get from vegetables. No more weight gain, no more insulin problems, no more disease and effortless weight loss.

The primal blueprint is about cutting out process carbs and fast carbs. Your body can survive on carbs from fruits and veggies, which is where you're supposed to be getting them from anyway.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-succeed-with-the-primal-blueprint/#axzz1n8XZBjE5

0-50 gr carbs a day=full ketosis quick weight loss
50-100 gr carbs...=healthy 1-2 lbs a week fat loss
100-150 gr carbs...=weight maintanance
150-250gr carbs...=weight gain ( in most people)
Over 250 gr per day = can lead to long term health problems.

All above taken from the Paleo diet by Mark Sisson

He is wrong. I have cut over 30lbs since January on carb intake of over 250g. People act like carbs has some magical profile. It's 4calories per gram just like protein. I don't see anyone cutting protein out. You're body needs a combination of all three to run optimally.

It's like saying cars doesn't need wheels. Sure, you take the wheels off you lose weight. You also can move along on the hubs. You wont be moving fast though.

Oh and according to my sumo-type (Endomorph) I should gain over 1000 pounds when I consume any carbs, but I don't. The carb phobia is disgusting.

According to whom? Do you have some magical time machine that allowed you to see what primal man was eating? Why do people take such things to extreme? Oh, I know they gotta sale books. There will always be someone gullible to buy it to.

Cutting "fast" carbs??? Is this real life. A fair bit of fruits are mid to high gi. Are those primal? They are considered fast digesting.

I see what you did there. You forgot to mention that we as humans have progressively become lazier. I don't need to hunt for food, I can go to the store. I don't need to build shelter, I have a PRE-Built home. Some of the same complaints used against whole grains, fruits and veggies contain the same defense mechanisms. So, what were you saying again?

Are fruits and veggies great? They sure are. However, grains are not the destroyers of the western civilization. The lack of activity and the over consumption of calories from ALL THREE MACRO NUTRIENTS is the cause.

Oh, and check my videos out on Youtube regarding the Anabolic. I was a low carb taliban at one point too, and a cardio junkie.

AntWrig

I have the ketogenic diet by lyle mcdonald...So what is your point?

My point is he plays both sides, unlike the primal blueprint. I read the book and took it back in disgust.

Acg67

http://evilcyber.com/losing-weight/low-carb-keto-diet/

princessputz

I'm currently on that diet, and in a ketogenic state. I think it's perfectly healthy for me and so does my dr. Do I recommend it to people who have a completely normal metabolism? Hell no! But really it works! In 36 days I've lost 22 lbs and 16 inches all over. The whole calorie in, calorie out thing just didn't work for me at all. Now, with this being said once I get close to my goal weight I will add carbs back until I reach a maintenance level and stay there. I imagine this number to be around 75-100. This isn't a diet but a lifestyle change, I wouldn't be doing it unless I thought I could do it for life.


Also I cheat...yesterday I had Chinese food....and I didn't gain it all back .

Keep us up to date on how your doing...

Definitely will!

jonski1968

Ahaaa...So what your saying is that if anybody is thinking about trying Ketosis, they should look into both sides of the argument...

Which i have to agree with...

AntWrig

Ahaaa...So what your saying is that if anybody is thinking about trying Ketosis, they should look into both sides of the argument...

Which i have to agree with...

That's right.

LadyPippen, just recited the low carb mantra. I have heard it some many times and it's so full of wrong. It's not even funny anymore.

KacieHetrick

Whoa! Thought this thread was dead or ignored! LOL Lil' update on me, I decided against the Keto diet, I'm losing weight at a steady pace and not feeling like I'm being deprived of fruits and veggies since I'm a fruit and veggie feign! I just watch my calories and exercise daily. Thanks to all of you for your feedback.

jonski1968

http://evilcyber.com/losing-weight/low-carb-keto-diet/

Final Words

While I wholly acknowledge that carbohydrate-restricted diets work and have produced weight-loss for millions of people worldwide, this article is solely addressing the claim that they accelerate the weight-loss process through some magical metabolic effect. Yes, low and no-carbohydrate works, but (metabolically) no more than any other isocaloric diet.

jonski1968

At the end of the day, people will do what they want to do, whether it be low carb/high carb...I`ve read almost all the testimonials on the www.marksdailyapple.com website, and although i`ve always agreed that sites won`t put on negative comments from people, the testimonials present are many and all agree that its worked/working for them.

He also offers free downloads on some of his ebooks which i`ve found to be a good read, even if a little blinkered in his approach.

Still well worth a look if your thinking of doing Paleo/Primal.

gleechick609

Are fruits and veggies great? They sure are. However, grains are not the destroyers of the western civilization. The lack of activity and the over consumption of calories from ALL THREE MACRO NUTRIENTS is the cause.

This is how I got fat. Go figure!

birdieintx

Whoa! Thought this thread was dead or ignored! LOL Lil' update on me, I decided against the Keto diet, I'm losing weight at a steady pace and not feeling like I'm being deprived of fruits and veggies since I'm a fruit and veggie feign! I just watch my calories and exercise daily. Thanks to all of you for your feedback.

Awesome! Losing weight the healthy way not the instant results way, way to go

Glad you ignored your doctor's "advice." Your first post really bothered me the way he prescribed something without giving you any information about it whatsoever.

Caileadair

I followed The Atkins diet for over 2 months. I was in a ketogenic state and yes, I lost weight at a rapid rate, over 25 pounds during that two months however I did not feel well during that time. I was tired, had a foul taste in my mouth most of the time among other things. I was ecstatic about the pounds dropped but the at the end of the day I left it behind. Yes, I gained back that whole 25 pounds in short order after stopping the diet. That was me and only me...I speak for no one else.

I lost over 120 pounds 8 years ago (calorie and portion control and exercise),kept it off for 7 years and I'm working on losing the pounds I've gained this past year. I've gone back to the calorie/portion control. I'm not going to bad mouth any type of diet.

At the end of the day we are all different...physiologically and psychologically. We need to do what works for ourselves....vegan, ketogenic, calorie restricting or any other type of diet that's out there, what ever is physically and morally comfortable. Calorie restricting works best for me. I feel the best on it and I know it works for me and I'm comfortable with it.

hottottie11

0-50 gr carbs a day=full ketosis quick weight loss
50-100 gr carbs...=healthy 1-2 lbs a week fat loss
100-150 gr carbs...=weight maintanance
150-250gr carbs...=weight gain ( in most people)
Over 250 gr per day = can lead to long term health problems.

All above taken from the Paleo diet by Mark Sisson

:huh:
Surely you don't think this applies universally to everyone? What about those cultures with a high carb diet but low rates of obesity?

I consistly eat around 150-250 + grams of carbs and I lose just fine

Less than 150, then it begins to affect my workout performance
Less than 100 and I'm a raging B

jonski1968

It applies to those that wish to follow it..If your one of the lucky ones that can eat 150-250 per day...Thats great...I myself cannot.

TNoire

Everyones body is diff

(As shown on The Doctors TV show)

some people there bodies will lose weight and fuel off of carbs

others it takes protein it takes trial and error to figure out what your body is like

mine Is protein if I over do it on carbs i gain weight like no ones business

detox and other stuff like keto (like I said in my original post)

you can't do it forever its unhealthy in the long run some of your system can start to shut down if you do it for to long

you eventually have to switch it back up and eat carbs fuel the fire and keep ya moving

you stop after doing these diets for so long you will gain back twice as fast

jonski1968

PRIMAL BLUEPRINT SHOPPING LIST

Vegetables
! Artichoke
! Arugula
! Asparagus
! Avocados
! Beets/Beet Greens
! Bell Peppers
! Bok Choy
! Broccoli
! Broccoli Rabe
! Brussels Sprouts
! Cabbage
! Carrots
! Celery
! Celery Root
! Collards
! Cucumbers
! Eggplant
! Endive
! Fennel
! Fiddlehead Ferns
! Garlic
! Green Beans
! Jerusalem Artichoke
! Jicama
! Kale
! Kohlrabi
! Leeks
! Mushrooms
! Mustard Greens
! Olives
! Onions
! Parsnip
! Peppers (all kinds)
! Pumpkin
! Purslane
! Radish
! Romaine Lettuce
! Rutabaga
! Sea Vegetables
! Spinach
! Squash
! Swiss Chard
! Tomatoes
Turnip Greens
! Watercress

In Moder ation
! Cassava
! Potatoes
! Sweet Potatoes
! Wild Rice
! Yams
! Taro

Fish
! Anchovies
! Bass
! Cod
! Eel
! Haddock
! Halibut
! Herring
! Mackerel
! Mahi Mahi
! Monkfish
! Mullet
! Northern Pike
! Orange Roughy
! Perch
! Red Snapper
! Rockfish
! Salmon
! Sardines
! Tilapia
! Tuna
! Walleye


Shellfish
! Abalone
! Clams
! Crab
! Crayfish
! Lobster
! Mussels
! Oysters
! Prawns
! Scallops
! Shrimp

Meat and Poultry
! Beef
! Chicken
! Goat
! Lamb
! Pork

Game Meat
! Alligator
! Bear
! Buffalo
! Caribou
! Duck
! Elk
! Emu
! Goose
! Pheasant
! Kangaroo
! Ostrich
! Quail
! Rabbit
! Snakes
! Turkey
! Venison

Organ Meat
! Hearts
! Kidney
! Liver
! Bone marrow
! Sweetbreads
! Tongue

Eggs
! Chicken
! Duck
! Emu
! Goose
! Pheasant
! Quail
! Roe/Caviar


Nuts and Seeds
! Almonds
! Brazil Nuts
! Hazelnuts
! Macadamia
! Pecans
! Pine Nuts
! Pistachios
! Pumpkin Seeds
! Sesame Seeds
! Sunflower Seeds
! Walnuts
! Derivative Butters

Healthy Fats/Oils
! Avocado Oil
! Butter/Ghee
! Coconut Oil/Milk
! Lard
! Macadamia Oil
! Olive Oil
! Sesame Oil
! Tallow
! Unprocessed Palm Oil
! Walnut Oil

Fruit

Preferred
! Blackberries
! Blueberries
! Boysenberries
! Cranberries
! Gooseberries
! Raspberries

Other Fruits
! Apple
! Apricot
! Banana
! Cantaloupe
! Cherries
! Coconuts
! Figs
! Goji Berries
! Grapefruit
! Grapes


! Guava
! Honeydew Melon
! Kiwi
! Lemon
! Lime
! Lychee
! Mango
! Nectarine
! Orange
! Papaya
! Passion Fruit
! Peaches
! Pears
! Persimmon
! Pineapple
! Plums
! Pomegranate
! Rhubarb
! Star Fruit
! Strawberries
! Tangerine
! Watermelon
All other fruits

Spices and Herbs
! Anise
! Basil
! Black Pepper
! Cayenne Pepper
! Chili Pepper
! Cilantro
! Coriander Seeds
! Cinnamon
! Cloves
! Cumin
! Dill
! Fennel
! Ginger
! Mint
! Mustard Seeds
! Nutmeg
! Oregano
! Paprika
! Parsley
! Peppermint


! Rosemary
! Sage
! Tarragon
! Thyme
! Turmeric

Other
! Daily High-Potency
Antioxidant Multi-Vitamin

Supplement
! Omega-3 Fatty Acid Fish Oi Supplement
! Tamari
! Tea (green, black, white,oolong)
! Vinegar
! Whey Protein Powder

In Moder ation
! 100% Full Fat Cream
! Cheese
! Coffee
! Yogurt

Occasional Indulgences
! Alcohol
! Dark Chocolate

lvhand_vsu

I am really interested in starting this... any pointers?

NCDJ2013

the fact that a 450 lb doctor is prescribing you a diet that he says never worked for him should send up some red flags. You might want to do some research on how a ketogenic diet affects a person with hypothyroidism. There are many that say it will reduce your body'sability to product thyroid hormone and may make your hypo even worse. As a person with no thyroid I can tell you I feel awful and my body holds on to weight if I go too low carb.

bobbyguns

I am really interested in starting this... any pointers?

Ketosis is not necessary in the least for fat loss. And it just sucks eating very little to no carbs. I used a variant of a ketogenic diet for awhile, and although the results were good, I get the same results eating 200g of carbohydrate every day plus more (350g+) on refeed day. I much prefer flexible dieting where I can eat pretty much what I want if it fits in my daily macros. Also, less than 100g of carbs won't fuel my heavy workouts.