Consistantly low carbs...
msarro
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Just curious - my goal is NOT a low carb diet. However, every single day I tend to be low on carbs (for example, today the goal is 203, i'm at 150 with everything for the day added, including snacks). Is this dangerous? What badness can come from it?
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Just curious - my goal is NOT a low carb diet. However, every single day I tend to be low on carbs (for example, today the goal is 203, i'm at 150 with everything for the day added, including snacks). Is this dangerous? What badness can come from it?0
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That's not low carb.
Low carb is 20 carbs per day at the beginning. Some people can eat up to 150 carbs a day and still loose weight. But most low carbers, even on maintence of weight loss don't go over 100.
I find this so interesting.
What badness can happen? You could lose weight. :noway: :noway:0 -
150 is not dangerous at all.
low carb diets aren't the demons some make them out to be (myself included until some wise people on here pointed the way, and I went on a mini research binge after that). That said low carb diets only work well as a lifestyle change, NOT a temporary weight loss diet. People see immediate results from low carb diets, but they are fooling themselves, there are specific reasons for this, and it has nothing to do with fat loss (if you don't believe this I would suggest you do some research , even the southbeach and atkins people acknowledge this as fact).
But 150 isn't really low carb, that's just lowER carb. As long as you get your full calories for the day, 150 carbs won't be an issue for you.
FYI, there's nothing really wrong with low carb medically, if you can sustain it by using more unsaturated fat and protein to replace it. It does require a change in lifestyle, and will preclude you from some of the explosive exercising (glucose is not hanging around in high quantity). You can have dehydration issues as well and must watch your water levels very closely, and also, you tend to have changes in your PH levels, and need to increase your calcium intake to make up for it.
A REAL low carb diet for life is doable in a healthy manner, but be warned, it's HARD, far harder then one would think, you drop out of Ketosys for a couple of days, and you feel like hell, become bloated for a while, and your body chemistry will get a little crazy until it adjusts. In other words, you can forget that piece of cake with 30 grams of carbs EVER, if you don't want to really feel it something fierce later (ok maybe I'm exaggerating a little, but not that much).0 -
I think as long as you're getting some carbs with each meal and snack, then you shouldn't worry too much about it. Your number is definitely not too low.0
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150 is not dangerous at all.
low carb diets aren't the demons some make them out to be (myself included until some wise people on here pointed the way, and I went on a mini research binge after that). That said low carb diets only work well as a lifestyle change, NOT a temporary weight loss diet. People see immediate results from low carb diets, but they are fooling themselves, there are specific reasons for this, and it has nothing to do with fat loss (if you don't believe this I would suggest you do some research , even the southbeach and atkins people acknowledge this as fact).
But 150 isn't really low carb, that's just lowER carb. As long as you get your full calories for the day, 150 carbs won't be an issue for you.
FYI, there's nothing really wrong with low carb medically, if you can sustain it by using more unsaturated fat and protein to replace it. It does require a change in lifestyle, and will preclude you from some of the explosive exercising (glucose is not hanging around in high quantity). You can have dehydration issues as well and must watch your water levels very closely, and also, you tend to have changes in your PH levels, and need to increase your calcium intake to make up for it.
A REAL low carb diet for life is doable in a healthy manner, but be warned, it's HARD, far harder then one would think, you drop out of Ketosys for a couple of days, and you feel like hell, become bloated for a while, and your body chemistry will get a little crazy until it adjusts. In other words, you can forget that piece of cake with 30 grams of carbs EVER, if you don't want to really feel it something fierce later (ok maybe I'm exaggerating a little, but not that much).
Banks man, long time no see! I thought you died or something :laugh:
I was just curious because I know carbs are one of the things most readily converted into energy, but at the same time I know less about them compared to the other nutes and I wasn't really sure. I never looked into the 'low carb diet' thing because I kinda figured it was much ado about nothing (plus I saw more people fail than succeed).
Thanks for clearing it up
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150 is not dangerous at all.
low carb diets aren't the demons some make them out to be (myself included until some wise people on here pointed the way, and I went on a mini research binge after that). That said low carb diets only work well as a lifestyle change, NOT a temporary weight loss diet. People see immediate results from low carb diets, but they are fooling themselves, there are specific reasons for this, and it has nothing to do with fat loss (if you don't believe this I would suggest you do some research , even the southbeach and atkins people acknowledge this as fact).
But 150 isn't really low carb, that's just lowER carb. As long as you get your full calories for the day, 150 carbs won't be an issue for you.
FYI, there's nothing really wrong with low carb medically, if you can sustain it by using more unsaturated fat and protein to replace it. It does require a change in lifestyle, and will preclude you from some of the explosive exercising (glucose is not hanging around in high quantity). You can have dehydration issues as well and must watch your water levels very closely, and also, you tend to have changes in your PH levels, and need to increase your calcium intake to make up for it.
A REAL low carb diet for life is doable in a healthy manner, but be warned, it's HARD, far harder then one would think, you drop out of Ketosys for a couple of days, and you feel like hell, become bloated for a while, and your body chemistry will get a little crazy until it adjusts. In other words, you can forget that piece of cake with 30 grams of carbs EVER, if you don't want to really feel it something fierce later (ok maybe I'm exaggerating a little, but not that much).
Banks man, long time no see! I thought you died or something :laugh:
I was just curious because I know carbs are one of the things most readily converted into energy, but at the same time I know less about them compared to the other nutes and I wasn't really sure. I never looked into the 'low carb diet' thing because I kinda figured it was much ado about nothing (plus I saw more people fail than succeed).
Thanks for clearing it up
heh, yeah, well, I was gone for a while, been back for a couple months now though. You're welcome bud. If you really want to learn more about it, Songbyrdsweet knows all about it. She pointed some things out to me a while back and I had to "adjust" my thought process.0 -
150 is not dangerous at all.
low carb diets aren't the demons some make them out to be (myself included until some wise people on here pointed the way, and I went on a mini research binge after that). That said low carb diets only work well as a lifestyle change, NOT a temporary weight loss diet. People see immediate results from low carb diets, but they are fooling themselves, there are specific reasons for this, and it has nothing to do with fat loss (if you don't believe this I would suggest you do some research , even the southbeach and atkins people acknowledge this as fact).
But 150 isn't really low carb, that's just lowER carb. As long as you get your full calories for the day, 150 carbs won't be an issue for you.
FYI, there's nothing really wrong with low carb medically, if you can sustain it by using more unsaturated fat and protein to replace it. It does require a change in lifestyle, and will preclude you from some of the explosive exercising (glucose is not hanging around in high quantity). You can have dehydration issues as well and must watch your water levels very closely, and also, you tend to have changes in your PH levels, and need to increase your calcium intake to make up for it.
A REAL low carb diet for life is doable in a healthy manner, but be warned, it's HARD, far harder then one would think, you drop out of Ketosys for a couple of days, and you feel like hell, become bloated for a while, and your body chemistry will get a little crazy until it adjusts. In other words, you can forget that piece of cake with 30 grams of carbs EVER, if you don't want to really feel it something fierce later (ok maybe I'm exaggerating a little, but not that much).
Thank you for this post. I lost 60 pounds twice on low carb. I gained back 60 pounds while expecting my son and 27 in the last 6 months during plain old stupidity and stress that made me not give a fig. I have had over 10 years of keeping my weight off with that type of a lifestyle. I've lost 21 on it again in less then 8 weeks. But you are right..you have to be really smart about it and make it a lifestyle. That lifestyle can be a bit complicated.
People do loose weight on a low carb lifestyle, but just like low calories..you have to watch it....forever.
Three of my friend lost between 60-120 pounds in 1999. I was the only one that didn't keep it off, but I was the only one that had a baby, too. Excuses, Excuses Excuses....0 -
150 is not dangerous at all.
low carb diets aren't the demons some make them out to be (myself included until some wise people on here pointed the way, and I went on a mini research binge after that). That said low carb diets only work well as a lifestyle change, NOT a temporary weight loss diet. People see immediate results from low carb diets, but they are fooling themselves, there are specific reasons for this, and it has nothing to do with fat loss (if you don't believe this I would suggest you do some research , even the southbeach and atkins people acknowledge this as fact).
But 150 isn't really low carb, that's just lowER carb. As long as you get your full calories for the day, 150 carbs won't be an issue for you.
FYI, there's nothing really wrong with low carb medically, if you can sustain it by using more unsaturated fat and protein to replace it. It does require a change in lifestyle, and will preclude you from some of the explosive exercising (glucose is not hanging around in high quantity). You can have dehydration issues as well and must watch your water levels very closely, and also, you tend to have changes in your PH levels, and need to increase your calcium intake to make up for it.
A REAL low carb diet for life is doable in a healthy manner, but be warned, it's HARD, far harder then one would think, you drop out of Ketosys for a couple of days, and you feel like hell, become bloated for a while, and your body chemistry will get a little crazy until it adjusts. In other words, you can forget that piece of cake with 30 grams of carbs EVER, if you don't want to really feel it something fierce later (ok maybe I'm exaggerating a little, but not that much).
Thank you for this post. I lost 60 pounds twice on low carb. I gained back 60 pounds while expecting my son and 27 in the last 6 months during plain old stupidity and stress that made me not give a fig. I have had over 10 years of keeping my weight off with that type of a lifestyle. I've lost 21 on it again in less then 8 weeks. But you are right..you have to be really smart about it and make it a lifestyle. That lifestyle can be a bit complicated.
People do loose weight on a low carb lifestyle, but just like low calories..you have to watch it....forever.
Three of my friend lost between 60-120 pounds in 1999. I was the only one that didn't keep it off, but I was the only one that had a baby, too. Excuses, Excuses Excuses....
Yeah, I hear ya, while i understand it, and I don't fault people for doing it, I just never saw the need for it, it doesn't do anything that watching calories doesn't do, it just does it faster in the beginning (but for different reasons). It's the psychological factor. I mean, I don't want to have to steer away from certain food groups for ever, that's just me, it may seem like no biggie to others, but to me, to never have a bowl of popcorn again, that would be a tragedy beyond compare! Plus, you have a very difficult time doing anaerobic sports on ketosys (like, it's pretty much impossible to be serious about say...running and in ketosys, because while the endurance part is fine, that final kick to the finish would DESTROY you.)0 -
I hear ya. I eat popcorn like once every couple of months or so. I don't completely give that. I love popcorn.
I just do it one the stove top with oil and real butter. As long as I don't eat over 150 carbs in a given day (when I am maintaining), it's all good. 2 servings of popcorn has 60 carbs, it's a safe zone treat for me!
But I don't give up any food group. I think that that's the biggest misconception. I don't elimiate any food group. I eat them all...unless processed foods are now their own food group. Chocolate to me is a food group...I eat that too!
I run 10 miles once a week and bike 15 miles a day 4-5 days a week.
I'm sure what you're talking about.
Hey, I wish you luck!0 -
Yeah, I hear ya, while i understand it, and I don't fault people for doing it, I just never saw the need for it, it doesn't do anything that watching calories doesn't do, it just does it faster in the beginning (but for different reasons). It's the psychological factor. I mean, I don't want to have to steer away from certain food groups for ever, that's just me, it may seem like no biggie to others, but to me, to never have a bowl of popcorn again, that would be a tragedy beyond compare! Plus, you have a very difficult time doing anaerobic sports on ketosys (like, it's pretty much impossible to be serious about say...running and in ketosys, because while the endurance part is fine, that final kick to the finish would DESTROY you.)
You should do some more research as your last sentence is very, very incorrect.
Actually, I can direct you to a website where there are Marathon runners that are practicing a low (controlled carb) lifestyle.........
Run miles and miles every day for training, etc............
I have more energy NOW doing a low carb, organic (and as close to natural) lifestyle as possible......
I have more energy than I ever did doing low calorie, low fat..............
And, whom ever said that you can't have popcorn on low carb is mistaken, as it is listed as an acceptable snack when you get to pre-maintenance and maintenance............
With low carb, you are merely throwing out the white sugar, white flour, refined, processed crap our bodies don't need anyway............
I am eating fruits, vegetables, whole grains (oats and brown rice for me - I have a wheat allergy), nuts, etc.........I even made home made ice cream with heavy whipping cream and stevia to sweeten and pureed strawberries..........
I just don't eat cake, cookies, boxed crap like hamburger helper. :sick:0 -
Yeah, I hear ya, while i understand it, and I don't fault people for doing it, I just never saw the need for it, it doesn't do anything that watching calories doesn't do, it just does it faster in the beginning (but for different reasons). It's the psychological factor. I mean, I don't want to have to steer away from certain food groups for ever, that's just me, it may seem like no biggie to others, but to me, to never have a bowl of popcorn again, that would be a tragedy beyond compare! Plus, you have a very difficult time doing anaerobic sports on ketosys (like, it's pretty much impossible to be serious about say...running and in ketosys, because while the endurance part is fine, that final kick to the finish would DESTROY you.)
You should do some more research as your last sentence is very, very incorrect.
Actually, I can direct you to a website where there are Marathon runners that are practicing a low (controlled carb) lifestyle.........
Run miles and miles every day for training, etc............
I have more energy NOW doing a low carb, organic (and as close to natural) lifestyle as possible......
I have more energy than I ever did doing low calorie, low fat..............
And, whom ever said that you can't have popcorn on low carb is mistaken, as it is listed as an acceptable snack when you get to pre-maintenance and maintenance............
With low carb, you are merely throwing out the white sugar, white flour, refined, processed crap our bodies don't need anyway............
I am eating fruits, vegetables, whole grains (oats and brown rice for me - I have a wheat allergy), nuts, etc.........I even made home made ice cream with heavy whipping cream and stevia to sweeten and pureed strawberries..........
I just don't eat cake, cookies, boxed crap like hamburger helper. :sick:
steer me to that site please. But maybe you didn't read my post very closely. I said right in there that the endurance part is no problem. Training for a marathon doesn't include anaerobic exercise, thus ketosis wouldn't be an issue; But if I tried to do something that uses explosive anaerobic activity (I.E. maximal effort activity such as what I list below), the lack of glucogen would make it very difficult to keep up that energy level. That is a fact proven by many many studies out there.
I think it's fine for people who want to do it. I don't, and my reasons for not doing so are sound. I do lots of explosive exercises. HIIT training, Tabata protocol. I play baseball and if I had to run from home to third on a ketonic diet, I'd be dead meat after I stopped for about 2 minutes while my ATP stores replenished (far to long in a baseball game).
see this study on ANaerobic activity and ketogenic diets:
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/pdf/1743-7075-1-2.pdf
Anaerobic exercise lasting 30 seconds or longer depletes ATP stores, after that muscle glycogen is burned instead, but in a ketogenic diet, there is no muscle glycogen to be had, fatigue sets in very quickly, and the exercise must be stopped or slowed severly to allow the ATP stores to replenish (usually arount 2 minutes).
As to the popcorn thing, I was exagerating to make a point. I LIKE my whole wheat breads, I like having a balanced diet, I see no need for me to get off that way, it's healthy, nutritious, and tasty. I don't fault others for doing it. I just don't feel the need.
I'm glad you found a healthy lifestyle that suits you. I really am, but it's just not for me is all I'm saying.0 -
With low carb, you are merely throwing out the white sugar, white flour, refined, processed crap our bodies don't need anyway............
I am eating fruits, vegetables, whole grains (oats and brown rice for me - I have a wheat allergy), nuts, etc.........I even made home made ice cream with heavy whipping cream and stevia to sweeten and pureed strawberries..........
I just don't eat cake, cookies, boxed crap like hamburger helper. :sick:
How many grams of carbs do you eat on average each day? Just wondering because I eat like this as well but wouldn't call it low carb.0 -
With low carb, you are merely throwing out the white sugar, white flour, refined, processed crap our bodies don't need anyway............
I am eating fruits, vegetables, whole grains (oats and brown rice for me - I have a wheat allergy), nuts, etc.........I even made home made ice cream with heavy whipping cream and stevia to sweeten and pureed strawberries..........
I just don't eat cake, cookies, boxed crap like hamburger helper. :sick:
How many grams of carbs do you eat on average each day? Just wondering because I eat like this as well but wouldn't call it low carb.
I started out at 20 for the first 2 weeks...........
But, I am 3 months into my eating now and I am up to about 60-75 grams of carbs per day. The harder and heavier I work out, the more carbs I can eat and still lose fine....
My diabetic endocrinologist told me anything below 200 grams of carbs per day is considered to be "low carb" or a controlled carb eating plan. That is still well below what the SAD (standard american diet) consists of.........
For myself, I have gotten eating "right" down to a science. I am now trying to perfect it as much as I can by eating very clean...........
Trying to go organic with as much stuff as I can afford, eating as natural as I possibly can.0 -
Yeah, I hear ya, while i understand it, and I don't fault people for doing it, I just never saw the need for it, it doesn't do anything that watching calories doesn't do, it just does it faster in the beginning (but for different reasons). It's the psychological factor. I mean, I don't want to have to steer away from certain food groups for ever, that's just me, it may seem like no biggie to others, but to me, to never have a bowl of popcorn again, that would be a tragedy beyond compare! Plus, you have a very difficult time doing anaerobic sports on ketosys (like, it's pretty much impossible to be serious about say...running and in ketosys, because while the endurance part is fine, that final kick to the finish would DESTROY you.)
You should do some more research as your last sentence is very, very incorrect.
Actually, I can direct you to a website where there are Marathon runners that are practicing a low (controlled carb) lifestyle.........
Run miles and miles every day for training, etc............
I have more energy NOW doing a low carb, organic (and as close to natural) lifestyle as possible......
I have more energy than I ever did doing low calorie, low fat..............
And, whom ever said that you can't have popcorn on low carb is mistaken, as it is listed as an acceptable snack when you get to pre-maintenance and maintenance............
With low carb, you are merely throwing out the white sugar, white flour, refined, processed crap our bodies don't need anyway............
I am eating fruits, vegetables, whole grains (oats and brown rice for me - I have a wheat allergy), nuts, etc.........I even made home made ice cream with heavy whipping cream and stevia to sweeten and pureed strawberries..........
I just don't eat cake, cookies, boxed crap like hamburger helper. :sick:
steer me to that site please. But maybe you didn't read my post very closely. I said right in there that the endurance part is no problem. Training for a marathon doesn't include anaerobic exercise, thus ketosis wouldn't be an issue; But if I tried to do something that uses explosive anaerobic activity (I.E. maximal effort activity such as what I list below), the lack of glucogen would make it very difficult to keep up that energy level. That is a fact proven by many many studies out there.
I think it's fine for people who want to do it. I don't, and my reasons for not doing so are sound. I do lots of explosive exercises. HIIT training, Tabata protocol. I play baseball and if I had to run from home to third on a ketonic diet, I'd be dead meat after I stopped for about 2 minutes while my ATP stores replenished (far to long in a baseball game).
see this study on ANaerobic activity and ketogenic diets:
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/pdf/1743-7075-1-2.pdf
Anaerobic exercise lasting 30 seconds or longer depletes ATP stores, after that muscle glycogen is burned instead, but in a ketogenic diet, there is no muscle glycogen to be had, fatigue sets in very quickly, and the exercise must be stopped or slowed severly to allow the ATP stores to replenish (usually arount 2 minutes).
As to the popcorn thing, I was exagerating to make a point. I LIKE my whole wheat breads, I like having a balanced diet, I see no need for me to get off that way, it's healthy, nutritious, and tasty. I don't fault others for doing it. I just don't feel the need.
I'm glad you found a healthy lifestyle that suits you. I really am, but it's just not for me is all I'm saying.
I will send you a link to the site when I get home, it is on my home computer........
Anyway, I do eat very balanced also..........I eat grains (brown rice and oats). I love, love, whole wheat bread and other whole wheat things.............IT DOESN'T LIKE ME.
I swell up and get yeast overgrowth in my gut from wheat and gluten. So, other grains for me, just not wheat. 0 -
Really?!?! A diet with 200g or less is considered low/er carb?0
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Really?!?! A diet with 200g or less is considered low/er carb?
According to what my endocrinologist is saying.........
So anyone that follows a natural, organic or "clean" eating plan that is filled with little or no processed foods is pretty much following a "controlled" carb plan.
With that said............I, myself, am following Atkins and took out everything except protein and green leafy vegetables........and have started in adding in the food groups one by one each week.
That is called climbing the carb ladder.........I have stopped losing "pounds" on the scale, but I am losing inches.
I have to remember not to step on the scale.
My doctor keeps reminding me of the "bigger picture" of:
How I feel, getting off diabetes medications, having more energy to be able to take my puppies for walks and spend time with my hubby doing things we enjoy...........
So, I have realized that it is not just about losing weight, but the total health picture too.0 -
Oh Mateo, do we need that empanada night?:huh: 0
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Oh Mateo, do we need that empanada night?:huh:
Here is a low carb empanada recipe.
Cinnamon Empanadas
Serves/Yields 1 per tortilla
Ingredients :
Low Carb Tortillas (they are whole grain and yummy) I can't eat them due to being wheat.
Butter
Splenda
Cinnamon
Directions
Step: 1 Toast tortillas under broiler lightly on both sides (this keeps them from getting soggy).
Butter one side of toasted tortilla.
Mix equal amounts of cinnamon and Splenda, sprinkle on tortilla and broil until browned to perfection.
Slice with pizza cutter for a sweet treat.
Nutrition Information
Carbohydrates: 3-5 Depending on size of tortilla0 -
Yum!Oh Mateo, do we need that empanada night?:huh:
Here is a low carb empanada recipe.
Cinnamon Empanadas
Serves/Yields 1 per tortilla
Ingredients :
Low Carb Tortillas (they are whole grain and yummy) I can't eat them due to being wheat.
Butter
Splenda
Cinnamon
Directions
Step: 1 Toast tortillas under broiler lightly on both sides (this keeps them from getting soggy).
Butter one side of toasted tortilla.
Mix equal amounts of cinnamon and Splenda, sprinkle on tortilla and broil until browned to perfection.
Slice with pizza cutter for a sweet treat.
Nutrition Information
Carbohydrates: 3-5 Depending on size of tortilla
Thanks LL!:flowerforyou:0 -
I will send you a link to the site when I get home, it is on my home computer........
Anyway, I do eat very balanced also..........I eat grains (brown rice and oats). I love, love, whole wheat bread and other whole wheat things.............IT DOESN'T LIKE ME. I swell up and get yeast overgrowth in my gut from wheat and gluten. So, other grains for me, just not wheat.
See I think we're talking about two different topics.
Low carbs is different then ketogenic diet. I'm talking about basically trace carbs (20 or less per day).
I probably should have been more specific about that.0 -
I will send you a link to the site when I get home, it is on my home computer........
Anyway, I do eat very balanced also..........I eat grains (brown rice and oats). I love, love, whole wheat bread and other whole wheat things.............IT DOESN'T LIKE ME. I swell up and get yeast overgrowth in my gut from wheat and gluten. So, other grains for me, just not wheat.
See I think we're talking about two different topics.
Low carbs is different then ketogenic diet. I'm talking about basically trace carbs (20 or less per day).
I probably should have been more specific about that.
20 or LESS a day!!!! The humanity! :noway:0 -
It's only supposed to be for a short time if you do something like Atkins. Phase I on Atkins is 20 g of carbs and it's supposed to last a few weeks only. After that you get more carbs and (eventually) fall out of ketosis.20 or LESS a day!!!! The humanity! :noway:
Or so the Atkins people tell me.
Speaking of Atkins, one summer when the diet first came out, my mom's boyfriend put the whole household on it. My mom and I dutifully lost 10 lb. but boyfriend GAINED weight. So he called up the man, himself, and made an appointment to see him. Dr. Atkins told him "yes, I say in the book that you can eat as much as you want and still lose weight, but I didn't mean you can eat three steaks for dinner!" :laugh:0 -
I find this thread very interesting and informative!
LL and others with wheat/gluten allergies: have you tried the Ezekiel 4:9 bread? It is made from sprouted grains and doesn't give the same bloated feeling that many wheat breads do. You can find it in most grocery stores nowadays. I love to toast mine and put almond butter, a little celtic sea salt, and a few hemp hearts on it. YUMMO! The cinnamon raisin variety is a treat!
Right now I am on day 3 of a 21-day cleanse through my chiropractor/holisic doctor. I didn't realize it until reading this thread, but it is lower carb, too. I get to eat a 1/2 cup of brown rice a day or a cup of lentils (I'm choosing lentils for the most part). Everything else is in the form of whey protein shakes w/fruit and flax oil or lean protein, lots of veggies and some fruit. I also take several supplements a day....so far, so good! It is a very gentle program and I am hoping to lose about 10 pounds on it which will give myself a kick-start into a healthier lifestyle.
I am also going more natural with things......the things we eat today that are processed and restaurant food are full of msg and other toxins that our bodies weren't meant to handle. So, I'm buying more organic things and staying away from processed foods. I eat out only occasionally now...
Andrea0 -
Thanks for the tip on the Ezekiel bread. I use Joseph's Lavish Flax Seed Bread. That's pretty good, too!0
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