Science and Fact Quoting naysayers go away WE CAN DO IT!

kkester63

Remember a bumblebee cannot aerodynamically fly it's been proven by science. Bumblebees ignores science and fliy around anyway. So don't let anyone or any so called science facts from friends / family tell you that you can't do this. Be a bumblebee and fly fly fly!

azura8181

Bump Thanks for posting this!

nutandbutter

Going to be a naysayer and post this scientific link.

http://www.physics.org/featuredetail.asp?id=32

hope516

love, love, love this!!!!!

hope516

Going to be a naysayer and post this scientific link.

http://www.physics.org/featuredetail.asp?id=32

you naysayer you :grumble:

RonSwanson66

ninerbuff

Science has a place here on the forums. So many myths get funneled through fitness and if we just went on hearsay of people without scientific proof to back it, then people would be using/doing methods that are either useless or have no merit.
Lifting a weight with the right body mechanics was scientifically studied to understand benefit and how to prevent injury. Should that be disregarded?
Eating 500 calories a day would seem right since calorie deficit is the gist of weight loss, but there's scientific evidence to show what happens if you followed a program like that.
Science isn't bad. Without it you wouldn't be typing on the computer you currently have. Where people find science bad is when it interferes with PERSONAL STANCES on how they like to achieve goals or success.
The bumblebee is an exception. There will always be exceptions. But in general science usually has the right answers.

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elsinora

Science has a place here on the forums. So many myths get funneled through fitness and if we just went on hearsay of people without scientific proof to back it, then people would be using/doing methods that are either useless or have no merit.
Lifting a weight with the right body mechanics was scientifically studied to understand benefit and how to prevent injury. Should that be disregarded?
Eating 500 calories a day would seem right since calorie deficit is the gist of weight loss, but there's scientific evidence to show what happens if you followed a program like that.
Science isn't bad. Without it you wouldn't be typing on the computer you currently have. Where people find science bad is when it interferes with PERSONAL STANCES on how they like to achieve goals or success.
The bumblebee is an exception. There will always be exceptions. But in general science usually has the right answers.

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^^ this.

s1lence

I think that some people are missing the point of the post. I think this is just to supply support and tell people to prove to themselves that they can lose weight, not to say that all science is wrong or that it has no place in this matter.

chelleann777

Thanks for this post! It is really encouraging. People always tell you you can't do it, the odds are against you, etc, but WE CAN DO IT! It doesn't matter how many people say no; all it takes is you saying yes to yourself! I love science and definetly think it is important to pretty much everything around us, but there is a lot of crazy "reseach" out there. Really, we have to do what is best for us and take all these reports, findings, and data that is thrown at us and decide for ourselves what we want to do with it. But honestly, another person saying that eating fake sugar will kill me or that corn is of the devil just really makes me feel overwhelmed like "Is there anything out there that is safe?" Science is great, but how we take and interpret science is what often causes problems.

chelleann777

I think that some people are missing the point of the post. I think this is just to supply support and tell people to prove to themselves that they can lose weight, not to say that all science is wrong or that it has no place in this matter.

agreed!

Nopedotjpeg

....just no.

huracan_mery

Not missing the point - I know it was made to encourage people, but we cannot continue this culture of downplaying science just to give a cute anecdote to make people feel better. Evidence-based science already has a poor reputation in the minds of many people who benefit from it daily. It's the kind of mentality that keeps people running back to the "health" store for the latest BS weight loss supplement, or try the dangerous "cleanse" they read about on the internet. It is possible to encourage people and not promote ignorance at the same time.

ninerbuff

Thanks for this post! It is really encouraging. People always tell you you can't do it, the odds are against you, etc, but WE CAN DO IT! It doesn't matter how many people say no; all it takes is you saying yes to yourself! I love science and definetly think it is important to pretty much everything around us, but there is a lot of crazy "reseach" out there. Really, we have to do what is best for us and take all these reports, findings, and data that is thrown at us and decide for ourselves what we want to do with it. But honestly, another person saying that eating fake sugar will kill me or that corn is of the devil just really makes me feel overwhelmed like "Is there anything out there that is safe?" Science is great, but how we take and interpret science is what often causes problems.

"Real" science finds no issue with artificial sweetners or corn. It's the pseudoscience that's the issue.

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ninerbuff

Not missing the point - I know it was made to encourage people, but we cannot continue this culture of downplaying science just to give a cute anecdote to make people feel better. Evidence-based science already has a poor reputation in the minds of many people who benefit from it daily. It's the kind of mentality that keeps people running back to the "health" store for the latest BS weight loss supplement, or try the dangerous "cleanse" they read about on the internet. It is possible to encourage people and not promote ignorance at the same time.

This.

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ElizabethRoad

Remember a bumblebee cannot aerodynamically fly it's been proven by science.

You know that isn't true, right?

I'm not sure what you're on about. What scientific naysayers are you talking about? What is it you want to do that people tell you can't be done?

azure7

I'm a scientist myself. Has any scientist (or science, for that matter) every told you "You can't do it!" Nope. Each of us is capable of accomplishing anything we put our mind to. Science is a tool for gaining knowledge and understanding.

By the way, the "BS weight loss supplement" phenomenon is actually not a direct product of science. It's a product of entrepreneurial (usually greedy) individuals using scientific findings as a basepoint for developing some "formula" to get rich quick...in combination with a massive media campaign.

LabRat529

Remember a bumblebee cannot aerodynamically fly it's been proven by science. Bumblebees ignores science and fliy around anyway. So don't let anyone or any so called science facts from friends / family tell you that you can't do this. Be a bumblebee and fly fly fly!

Oooh.

A) The bumblebee thing is a myth. There's no scientific reason that bumblebees can't fly.

I don't know of any scientists that tell you "you can't do this". Every scientist I know says that "yes, you can".

C) The "scientists" on this forum are actually trying to keep you from wasting your time and effort on pointless and sometimes harmful voodoo. They want you to lose weight in a safe, effective, and scientifically sound manner, as opposed to spending a fortune on the latest and greatest snake-oil quick fix method.

If I can help people avoid the mistakes I made when I was desperate, naive, and a little bit foolish, I certainly will. You're welcome to ignore my advice.

Sincerely,

A scientist who does not intend to 'go away'.

taso42

Surely you can't be serious?

Krizzle4Rizzle

Surely you can't be serious?

I am serious.. and don't call me Shirley

chelleann777

Thanks for this post! It is really encouraging. People always tell you you can't do it, the odds are against you, etc, but WE CAN DO IT! It doesn't matter how many people say no; all it takes is you saying yes to yourself! I love science and definetly think it is important to pretty much everything around us, but there is a lot of crazy "reseach" out there. Really, we have to do what is best for us and take all these reports, findings, and data that is thrown at us and decide for ourselves what we want to do with it. But honestly, another person saying that eating fake sugar will kill me or that corn is of the devil just really makes me feel overwhelmed like "Is there anything out there that is safe?" Science is great, but how we take and interpret science is what often causes problems.

"Real" science finds no issue with artificial sweetners or corn. It's the pseudoscience that's the issue.

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IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 28+ years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

I agree. Notice I said *people* saying these things are bad for us is the problem; I never said real science said there was an issue with these things. REAL science is what is keeping the world moving and functioning. Pseudoscience and people posting every little piece of information they find on a topic as hardcore scientific fact when it is mostly underresearched illegetimate babble. I am for the idea of taking everything you hear with a grain of salt. Test it for yourself. Look it up for yourself. Just because one person or one little known researcher said it does not make it fact. We need to be objective and not just sponges absorbing in every little piece of information that is floating around.

BTW: I agree with you.

LabRat529

Not missing the point - I know it was made to encourage people, but we cannot continue this culture of downplaying science just to give a cute anecdote to make people feel better. Evidence-based science already has a poor reputation in the minds of many people who benefit from it daily. It's the kind of mentality that keeps people running back to the "health" store for the latest BS weight loss supplement, or try the dangerous "cleanse" they read about on the internet. It is possible to encourage people and not promote ignorance at the same time.

Agreed... I think it's a tragedy that people say science is bull****. They turn to some "all natural" whatever gimmick rather than trust the research that has made it possible for people to live longer, healthier lives. Every medical breakthrough is based on that sound science that people are so quick to dismiss. We can beat many types of cancer because of science. We can do brain surgery because of science. We can do organ transplants because of science. We cannot make you immortal, but we are doing much better than we were in the days of leeches, bleedings, and the word "abracadabra" to keep the black plague away.

P.S. I'm not saying natural remedies are bad, but many are gimmicks.

CaWaterBug8

Surely you can't be serious?

Paper weighs more than weight thus my psychic senses are telling me he is serious.

Nopedotjpeg

I was going to put this in my .gif string in the Angelina thread, but it seems appropriate here too.

taso42

Surely you can't be serious?

I am serious.. and don't call me Shirley

This was the correct answer.

And /thread.

Jorra

Educate yourself, please.
http://www.project2061.org/publications/sfaa/online/chap1.htm

Science shows us what we can do. It shows us how the world works and how we can utilize it for our benefit.

killagb

Sl1ghtly

I tried science one time and it made me grow tentacles. No thanks! Pseudoscience all the way from now on.

IronmanPanda

:noway:

msfayzer

Came here to say this. This so called "fact" makes me crazy!

DonM46

Surely you can't be serious?

I am serious.. and don't call me Shirley

This was the correct answer.

I thought 'pants' was the correct answer.