Low fat Ketogenic Diet - Observations

MrDude_1

Your breath smelled awful because your body was breaking down fats for fuel. The by-products of fat metabolism are ketones. Ketones are weak acids, and thus you described perfectly what is known as "ketone breath". In addition if ketones build up in your blood, your blood will become acidic , and this can be detrimental to your health.

Stop repeating this nonsense. The only people who need to worry about that is Type I diabetics and alcoholics.

wait.. wut?
I havent read anything relating specifically to ketogenic Diets and alcohol.... have any cool links to share?
I know it wont really apply to any alcoholics I know, since beer has carbs and would kick them out of ketosis before the night is over, but I am genuinely curious.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001365/

I would imagine a beer drinker is probably not going to hit this as easily as someone drinking hard liquor. But I know very little other than reading a brief intro about it in the book, The Ketogenic Diet.

hmm.. it just says malnourished. nothing relating to a ketogenic diet...
I wonder if its a result of the inability to metabolize fat from malnourishment... or maybe the body is just thrown off and is letting ketones run rampant, changing blood ph.

i'll look more into it when i get some free time.. i like learning this stuff. lol

grinch031

Your breath smelled awful because your body was breaking down fats for fuel. The by-products of fat metabolism are ketones. Ketones are weak acids, and thus you described perfectly what is known as "ketone breath". In addition if ketones build up in your blood, your blood will become acidic , and this can be detrimental to your health.

Stop repeating this nonsense. The only people who need to worry about that is Type I diabetics and alcoholics.

wait.. wut?
I havent read anything relating specifically to ketogenic Diets and alcohol.... have any cool links to share?
I know it wont really apply to any alcoholics I know, since beer has carbs and would kick them out of ketosis before the night is over, but I am genuinely curious.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001365/

I would imagine a beer drinker is probably not going to hit this as easily as someone drinking hard liquor. But I know very little other than reading a brief intro about it in the book, The Ketogenic Diet.

hmm.. it just says malnourished. nothing relating to a ketogenic diet...
I wonder if its a result of the inability to metabolize fat from malnourishment... or maybe the body is just thrown off and is letting ketones run rampant, changing blood ph.

i'll look more into it when i get some free time.. i like learning this stuff. lol

I think its caused by the glycogen depletion associated with the malnourishment that induces ketosis coupled with the high intake of alcohol. Not sure why it happens though other than that.

MrDude_1

I think i found the basic answer im looking for:

In alcoholic ketoacidosis, alcohol causes dehydration and blocks the first step of gluconeogenesis. The body is unable to synthesize enough glucose to meet its needs, thus creating an energy crisis resulting in fatty acid metabolism, and ketone body formation.

of course fatty acids are acidic.. and ketones are acidic.. but because the body can not process the fatty acids, they remain there and ketones are produced.. making the blood acidic(from both keytones and FAs)... aka ketoacidosis

now the only question is... is it more likely to occur suddenly to a person on a ketogenic diet as they're already producing ketones?....

I did find alot more info im going to read more about later here: http://www.2fingerclub.com/ebooks/Complete_Guide_For_The_Dieter_And_Practitioner.pdf
if its anything like lyles other books, it will have the answer in there.... lol

grinch031

I think i found the basic answer im looking for:

In alcoholic ketoacidosis, alcohol causes dehydration and blocks the first step of gluconeogenesis. The body is unable to synthesize enough glucose to meet its needs, thus creating an energy crisis resulting in fatty acid metabolism, and ketone body formation.

of course fatty acids are acidic.. and ketones are acidic.. but because the body can not process the fatty acids, they remain there and ketones are produced.. making the blood acidic(from both keytones and FAs)... aka ketoacidosis

now the only question is... is it more likely to occur suddenly to a person on a ketogenic diet as they're already producing ketones?....

I did find alot more info im going to read more about later here: http://www.2fingerclub.com/ebooks/Complete_Guide_For_The_Dieter_And_Practitioner.pdf
if its anything like lyles other books, it will have the answer in there.... lol

It has to be because glucose only *needs* to be synthesized from protein when they person isn't eating enough carbs to fuel their brain. Although I doubt this kind of alcoholic is willingly on a ketogenic diet.

zewski

Hey OP, how did the rest of your diet go?

herrytews

I struggled for years to get the needle on the scales to budge even a small amount, despite eating healthily and doing exercise. Since I have adopted a very low carb diet I have lost a staggering 33 lbs in just 8 weeks. You could argue (probably correctly) that that's too much weight loss, but I can't help it, the weight continues to fall off at an average of half a pound a day.

Most importantly I feel great; no brain fog, no tiredness, no real symptoms at all apart from I feel faint and giddy when I stand up sometimes.

My blood pressure has dropped significantly on ketosis too (i.e. that's a good thing, it was bordering on high before, now it's nicely in the middle of the correct range).

I have finely tuned my intake and I can share with you what is optimum for me in terms of weight loss;
1100 calories
40g of carbs
75g of fats
90g of proteins
... and NO alcohol.

On the days when I achieve that, I lose around 1 lb. It doesn't really matter whether I exercise or not, it doesn't have much impact on weight loss.

I find I am rarely hungry and I don't crash in the middle of the day due to low blood sugar. It really suits me and works for me (and I am a big guy, so 1100 calories might not seem like a lot but I function really well on it).

If anything, my brain at work is around 50% sharper, I act better in meetings and can think more strategically.

Having said all of that, I fully understand that such a low calorie low carb diet isn't sustainable in the long run. So once I have shed the excess weight, I will gradually re-introduce some carbs and some extra calories and keep doing so until I find an equilibrium.

33 lbs in 8 weeks ... ketosis works for me and has changed my life. Please understand; while ketosis "could" have some negative health effects, what's worse than being very obese and dealing with all the health problems caused by carrying around 33 lbs of extra fat all day every day?

Terry

Nikki11369

I've been a ketogenic dieter since '04. I'm pretty much the master of ketogenic dieting. Went from 225 to 122 in a matter of months, stayed that way until 2 years ago when I met my fiance, and slipped up. Yes I blame him. lol. Piled most of it back on in 4 months. Not a big deal, I enjoyed the hell out of it for those few months and knew when I was 'done' I'd get back on the wagon and take it all right back off. So I did get back on the wagon and I'm 20 lbs from my goal now. Ketogenic dieting is an absolute must for a carb addict like myself who gains mercilessly with any small amount of carbs. My daily intake would be zero if it weren't for my coffee/splenda, but it's about 10 grams a day. Eat as much as I want, no decisions to have to make since the allowable items are few and remain pretty much the same day to day. I prefer to not be enjoying and savoring my food, I want to view it as sustenance only, and this is definitely the way to do that. And never have to get off the couch! Size 0/2 is only about 5 weeks away. But if size 16 should ever rear it's ugly head again, and it may, I always have keto to fall back on. For the most part this is a pretty permanent lifestyle for me. I doubt I'll ever deviate the way I did again, some of it was trying to make a point as he didn't believe I'd ever been obese before and didn't believe that a person could gain any more than the weight of the food they eat. lol. Guess I made my point, and he will never doubt me again after seeing me balloon up so much so fast. He's now very supportive of my efforts and wont eat carbs around me. Fortunately he's an over the road truck driver, so 'around me' is seldom. and he'll eat what I eat when he's home, or not at all.

rendonjr

I know I am bumping an old post but I have to add. I agree with Jambe and I have had similar experiences. I am currently on my 3rd week of the following.

Starting weight was 246.6 with BMR of around 2150 at sedentary
50% Protein =250G
30% fat =40
20% carbs=75
I eat around 1750 calories a day and exercise around 450 calories a day for net intake of around 1250. My regimen includes heavy lifting and light cardio so I dont lost muscle mass. I weighed 246.6 starting out. I am 2.5 weeks into this and am down to 236.5lbs. I should hit losing around 15 lbs this first month. The weight is slowing down coming off as my betabolism is getting slower as you should recalculate your BMR every 5 lbs lost and I am sure I lost some due to water retention but man I am slimmer for sure.

The biggest problem I have is eating all the food. It is amazing how much you have to eat to get down 250G protein.
favorite meals are egg whites, ham, broccoli and cheese casserole, steak tips, smoked chicken, and cottage cheese.

suprzonic

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