Protein Shots: Before or After Working Out?

gatorgirlyyy

I take a 42g Protein Shot everyday. I was just wondering which would be more beneficial for energy and muscle growth, before or after doing the 30 Day Shred Workout?


Thanks!

gatorgirlyyy

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Acg67

I take a 42g Protein Shot everyday. I was just wondering which would be more beneficial for energy and muscle growth, before or after doing the 30 Day Shred Workout?


Thanks!

Doesn't really matter, hitting your macros for the day trumps nutrient timing. The most beneficial thing for muscle growth would be a proper training program and caloric surplus

gatorgirlyyy

I take a 42g Protein Shot everyday. I was just wondering which would be more beneficial for energy and muscle growth, before or after doing the 30 Day Shred Workout?


Thanks!

Doesn't really matter, hitting your macros for the day trumps nutrient timing. The most beneficial thing for muscle growth would be a proper training program and caloric surplus

Well, it's not just training, but also a substantial amount of weight that needs to be loss. I'm looking to tone while losing weight so I don't have skin left over. Does protein provide energy for the actual workout if I consume it beforehand?

bbbgamer

I think that you should eat a little protein with each meal, and immediately after a strength training session about 20-25 grams or so.....so maybe half of that shot..... 42 grams is probably too much for your body to effectively use at once.

luvred51

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Acg67

I think that you should eat a little protein with each meal, and immediately after a strength training session about 20-25 grams or so.....so maybe half of that shot..... 42 grams is probably too much for your body to effectively use at once.

Really no need for protein immediately after a workout and there is no magical upper limit on protein that can be consumed oat once brochacho

billtonkin

I think that you should eat a little protein with each meal, and immediately after a strength training session about 20-25 grams or so.....so maybe half of that shot..... 42 grams is probably too much for your body to effectively use at once.

I think this goes here.

The first law of nutrient timing is: hitting your daily macronutrient targets is FAR more important than nutrient timing.
The second law of nutrient timing is: hitting your daily macronutrient targets is FAR more important than nutrient timing. - Alan Aragon

Sidesteal

I think that you should eat a little protein with each meal, and immediately after a strength training session about 20-25 grams or so.....so maybe half of that shot..... 42 grams is probably too much for your body to effectively use at once.

In addition to Acg67's reply:

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/is-there-a-limit-to-how-much-protein-the-body-can-use-in-a-single-meal/

Sidesteal

Well, it's not just training, but also a substantial amount of weight that needs to be loss. I'm looking to tone while losing weight so I don't have skin left over. Does protein provide energy for the actual workout if I consume it beforehand?

Feel free to experiment with nutrient timing and see what you prefer as far as your gym performance goes. From a body composition standpoint your best bet is to just focus on end-of-day totals and let personal preference dictate the rest.

autumnk921

I am no expert in any way but I have been told to drink my protein shakes after my workout (weights) to help repair the torn muscle...Sounds good to me so that is what I do....Hope this helps!!


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antoniosmooth

Protein timing is important for one specific reason.... GROWTH!! Although EVERYONE conducting strength training needs a Whey Protein after a workout, WHEN you take it after the workout is only important for growth.

Like the gentlemen above me mentioned timing is not at all important for overall fitness and nutrition.

If your goal is to grow your muscle size you need protein and creatine before your workout, after your workout, and before bed.

Assuming your workout is 1 - 2 hours (30 minutes prior for Whey Protein Isolate that has BCAA) (15 minutes prior for creatine) However NO-Xplode is the best choice before but NOT with Whey Protein and Creatine

After your workout you need a Whey Protein Isolate for restoration and repair for the muscles you been working it MUST be taken before your "pump" expires. Basically speaking at the very least BEFORE 30 minutes has elapsed after your workout.

Before bed at least 15 - 30 minutes prior you need a Casein protein for the catabolic state your body enters when sleeping for 6 - 8 hours. Have you ever looked in the mirror immediately after waking up? Noticed you appear a bit "smaller? Casein protein stops the catabolic process from pulling "energy" (so to speak) from your muscles.

Quite a few people advocate a Whey protein AS SOON AS you wake up for growth. Although it does work, I personally don't do this because I would be far over my protein requirements for the day.

Again as the gentlemen above me mentioned, timing (When you consume protein) is NOT important unless you intend for your muscles to get BIGGER!

Contrarian

I am no expert in any way but I have been told to drink my protein shakes after my workout (weights) to help repair the torn muscle...Sounds good to me so that is what I do....Hope this helps!!


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If it makes you happy to do this, then great, because it isn't hurting you, but it really makes no difference. I'm glad you have found something that works for you.

Azdak

Protein timing is important for one specific reason.... GROWTH!! Although EVERYONE conducting strength training needs a Whey Protein after a workout, WHEN you take it after the workout is only important for growth.

Like the gentlemen above me mentioned timing is not at all important for overall fitness and nutrition.

If your goal is to grow your muscle size you need protein and creatine before your workout, after your workout, and before bed.

Assuming your workout is 1 - 2 hours (30 minutes prior for Whey Protein Isolate that has BCAA) (15 minutes prior for creatine) However NO-Xplode is the best choice before but NOT with Whey Protein and Creatine

After your workout you need a Whey Protein Isolate for restoration and repair for the muscles you been working it MUST be taken before your "pump" expires. Basically speaking at the very least BEFORE 30 minutes has elapsed after your workout.

Before bed at least 15 - 30 minutes prior you need a Casein protein for the catabolic state your body enters when sleeping for 6 - 8 hours. Have you ever looked in the mirror immediately after waking up? Noticed you appear a bit "smaller? Casein protein stops the catabolic process from pulling "energy" (so to speak) from your muscles.

Quite a few people advocate a Whey protein AS SOON AS you wake up for growth. Although it does work, I personally don't do this because I would be far over my protein requirements for the day.

Again as the gentlemen above me mentioned, timing is NOT important unless you intend for your muscles to get BIGGER!

Personally I prefer an IV protein perfusion pump--so I'm gettin' it ALL THE TIME!!!!!

Sometimes I get so jacked, I'll do the 31 Day Shred.

Just because I can.

Acg67

Protein timing is important for one specific reason.... GROWTH!! Although EVERYONE conducting strength training needs a Whey Protein after a workout, WHEN you take it after the workout is only important for growth.

Like the gentlemen above me mentioned timing is not at all important for overall fitness and nutrition.

If your goal is to grow your muscle size you need protein and creatine before your workout, after your workout, and before bed.

Assuming your workout is 1 - 2 hours (30 minutes prior for Whey Protein Isolate that has BCAA) (15 minutes prior for creatine) However NO-Xplode is the best choice before but NOT with Whey Protein and Creatine

After your workout you need a Whey Protein Isolate for restoration and repair for the muscles you been working it MUST be taken before your "pump" expires. Basically speaking at the very least BEFORE 30 minutes has elapsed after your workout.

Before bed at least 15 - 30 minutes prior you need a Casein protein for the catabolic state your body enters when sleeping for 6 - 8 hours. Have you ever looked in the mirror immediately after waking up? Noticed you appear a bit "smaller? Casein protein stops the catabolic process from pulling "energy" (so to speak) from your muscles.

Quite a few people advocate a Whey protein AS SOON AS you wake up for growth. Although it does work, I personally don't do this because I would be far over my protein requirements for the day.

Again as the gentlemen above me mentioned, timing is NOT important unless you intend for your muscles to get BIGGER!

Holy moly

First NO-Xplode is garbage based on the debunked notion arginine is useful for increasing NO2, for the rest of it here

and here's Alan Aragon on it

The postexercise "anabolic window" is a highly misused & abused concept. Preworkout nutrition all but cancels the urgency, unless you're an endurance athlete with multiple glycogen-depleting events in a single day. Getting down to brass tacks, a relatively recent study (Power et al. 2009) showed that a 45g dose of whey protein isolate takes appx 50 minutes to cause blood AA levels to peak. Resulting insulin levels, which peaked at 40 minutes after ingestion, remained at elevations known to max out the inhibition of muscle protein breakdown (15-30 mU/L) for 120 minutes after ingestion. This dose takes 3 hours for insulin & AA levels to return to baseline from the point of ingestion. The inclusion of carbs to this dose would cause AA & insulin levels to peak higher & stay elevated above baseline even longer.

So much for the anabolic peephole & the urgency to down AAs during your weight training workout; they are already seeping into circulation (& will continue to do so after your training bout is done). Even in the event that a preworkout meal is skipped, the anabolic effect of the postworkout meal is increased as a supercompensatory response (Deldicque et al, 2010). Moving on, another recent study (Staples et al, 2010) found that a substantial dose of carbohydrate (50g maltodextrin) added to 25g whey protein was unable to further increase postexercise net muscle protein balance compared to the protein dose without carbs. Again, this is not to say that adding carbs at this point is counterproductive, but it certainly doesn't support the idea that you must get your lightning-fast postexercise carb orgy for optimal results.

To add to this... Why has the majority of longer-term research failed to show any meaningful differences in nutrient timing relative to the resistance training bout? It's likely because the body is smarter than we give it credit for. Most people don't know that as a result of a single training bout, the receptivity of muscle to protein dosing can persist for at least 24 hours: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21289204

Here's what you're not seeming to grasp: the "windows" for taking advantage of nutrient timing are not little peepholes. They're more like bay windows of a mansion. You're ignoring just how long the anabolic effects are of a typical mixed meal. Depending on the size of a meal, it takes a good 1-2 hours for circulating substrate levels to peak, and it takes a good 3-6 hours (or more) for everythng to drop back down to baseline.

You're also ignoring the fact that the anabolic effects of a meal are maxed out at much lower levels than typical meals drive insulin & amino acids up to. Furthermore, you're also ignoring the body's ability of anabolic (& fat-oxidative) supercompensation when forced to work in the absence of fuels. So, metaphorically speaking, our physiology basically has the universe mapped out and you're thinking it needs to be taught addition & subtraction.

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Sidesteal

Again as the gentlemen above me mentioned, timing is NOT important unless you intend for your muscles to get BIGGER!

Actually, recent studies are readily showing that it's not important for muscle growth either. Pre-workout meals will, in most circumstances, have you covered as far as protein synthesis is concerned. Additionally, the so-called anabolic window, that most protein companies will tell you is 30 minutes, has been shown to be upwards of 24 hours which essentially negates the need to shuttle protein into your body immediately after training.

EDIT: Please see the quote that Acg67 left up above, specifically from Alan Aragon.

billtonkin

Protein timing is important for one specific reason.... GROWTH!! Although EVERYONE conducting strength training needs a Whey Protein after a workout, WHEN you take it after the workout is only important for growth.

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Azdak

The postexercise "anabolic window" is a highly misused & abused concept. Preworkout nutrition all but cancels the urgency, unless you're an endurance athlete with multiple glycogen-depleting events in a single day. Getting down to brass tacks, a relatively recent study (Power et al. 2009) showed that a 45g dose of whey protein isolate takes appx 50 minutes to cause blood AA levels to peak. Resulting insulin levels, which peaked at 40 minutes after ingestion, remained at elevations known to max out the inhibition of muscle protein breakdown (15-30 mU/L) for 120 minutes after ingestion. This dose takes 3 hours for insulin & AA levels to return to baseline from the point of ingestion. The inclusion of carbs to this dose would cause AA & insulin levels to peak higher & stay elevated above baseline even longer.

So much for the anabolic peephole & the urgency to down AAs during your weight training workout; they are already seeping into circulation (& will continue to do so after your training bout is done). Even in the event that a preworkout meal is skipped, the anabolic effect of the postworkout meal is increased as a supercompensatory response (Deldicque et al, 2010). Moving on, another recent study (Staples et al, 2010) found that a substantial dose of carbohydrate (50g maltodextrin) added to 25g whey protein was unable to further increase postexercise net muscle protein balance compared to the protein dose without carbs. Again, this is not to say that adding carbs at this point is counterproductive, but it certainly doesn't support the idea that you must get your lightning-fast postexercise carb orgy for optimal results.

To add to this... Why has the majority of longer-term research failed to show any meaningful differences in nutrient timing relative to the resistance training bout? It's likely because the body is smarter than we give it credit for. Most people don't know that as a result of a single training bout, the receptivity of muscle to protein dosing can persist for at least 24 hours: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21289204

Here's what you're not seeming to grasp: the "windows" for taking advantage of nutrient timing are not little peepholes. They're more like bay windows of a mansion. You're ignoring just how long the anabolic effects are of a typical mixed meal. Depending on the size of a meal, it takes a good 1-2 hours for circulating substrate levels to peak, and it takes a good 3-6 hours (or more) for everythng to drop back down to baseline.

You're also ignoring the fact that the anabolic effects of a meal are maxed out at much lower levels than typical meals drive insulin & amino acids up to. Furthermore, you're also ignoring the body's ability of anabolic (& fat-oxidative) supercompensation when forced to work in the absence of fuels. So, metaphorically speaking, our physiology basically has the universe mapped out and you're thinking it needs to be taught addition & subtraction.

Nice quote. Aragon is always one of the best reads out there. And it further supports my contention that too often people see their workouts as isolated events, completely unrelated to what goes on in their bodies the other 23 hours of the day.

antoniosmooth

I think everyone has their way in terms of muscle growth. Although I've never personally taken NO-Xplode I know people and trainers who swear by it. However for me I've always followed the (30 - 60 minutes pre and post workout) principles of the Muscle and Fitness experts with Weider publishing below.

http://www.muscleandfitness.com/nutrition/and-after

Acg67

I think everyone has their way in terms of muscle growth. Although I've never personally taken NO-Xplode I know people and trainers who swear by it. However for me I've always followed the (30 - 60 minutes pre and post workout) principles of the Muscle and Fitness experts with Weider publishing below.

http://www.muscleandfitness.com/nutrition/and-after

There is so much broscience in that article. First if you are going to have a prewo meal, prob 2-3 hrs before you workout is optimal. Then creatine timing is irrelevant, assuming your muscles are saturated, all you need is about 1.8g/d to stay saturated, it makes no difference when you actually take it. Fast acting carbs post wo?

Carbohydrate does not augment exercise-induced protein accretion versus protein alone. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2011 Jul;43(7):1154-61

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21131864

CONCLUSIONS:
Our data suggest that insulin is not additive or synergistic to rates of MPS or MPB when CHO is coingested with a dose of protein that maximally stimulates rates of MPS.

Disassociation between the effects of amino acids and insulin on signaling, ubiquitin ligases, and protein turnover in human muscle

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/295/3/E595.full

"However, it was surprising that adding insulin at higher than systemic postabsorptive concentrations had no further effects on MPS or LPS. We cannot account for these differences except to raise the possibility that in our studies the stimulatory effects of amino acids stimulated protein synthesis to a maximal extent and that further addition of insulin had no additional effect"

Arginine? lol

Liu TH Et al. No effect of short-term arginine supplementation on nitric oxide production, metabolism and performance in intermittent exercise in athletes. J Nutr Biochem. 2009 Jun;20(6):462-8.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18708287

Greer Et al. Acute Arginine Supplementation Fails to Improve Muscle Endurance Or Affect Blood Pressure Responses to Resistance Training. Journal of Strength & Conditioning Research: July 2011 - Volume 25 - Issue 7 - pp 1789-1794.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21399536

Walberg-Rankin J, Hawkins C, et al. The effect of oral arginine during energy restriction in male weight trainers. J Strength Cond Res. 1994;8:170–7.
http://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/Abstract/1994/08000/The_Effect_of_Oral_Arginine_During_Energy.8.aspx

And oral supplementation of arginine isn't that great at increasing blood arginine levels

Schwedhelm Et al. Pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic properties of oral L-citrulline and L-arginine: impact on nitric oxide metabolism. Br J Clin Pharmacol. 2008 Jan;65(1):51-9.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2291275/?tool=pubmed

"The change in l-arginine AUC was about as pronounced after oral l-citrulline administration at a dose of 0.75 g twice daily as after a twofold higher dose of oral l-arginine SR (1.6 g bid) and a twofold higher total daily dose of l-arginine IR (1.0 g tid)"

lipglossjunky73

I do everything after.

antoniosmooth

As I said, to each his own, however concerning Broscience in the article I quoted....

http://www.muscleandfitness.com/nutrition/and-after

The article was written by two PhDs (Dwayne Jackson, PhD, and Jim Stoppani, PhD) in a reputable fitness magazine. Personally I wouldn't call that broscience considering their credentials (see below and their websites). Yet it does bring a bit of interesting topic to the discussion, Alan Aragon contradicts what these two PhDs say in the article. Again as I said to each his own. For me Muscle and Fitness isn't a broscience rag with articles written by PhDs.

I respect your opinions as well as Alan Aragon's and as I said again to each his/her own.

http://www.jimstoppani.com/
"Jim Stoppani holds a doctorate in exercise physiology with a minor in biochemistry from the University of Connecticut. Soon after graduation, he served as a postdoctoral research fellow in the prestigious John B. Pierce Laboratory and Department of Cellular and Molecular Physiology at Yale University School of Medicine".

http://www.microvessels.com/2.html
Dwayne Jackson PhD "Our team is interested in the sympathetic nervous system and how it may modify cellular and molecular responses in a number of different tissues. More specifically, our research investigates the impact of sympathetically derived neuropeptides and neurotransmitters on short-term microvessel modulation, as well as their long-term impact on angiogenesis, cellular mitogenesis, cellular morphology, and cell trafficking".

Azdak

As I said, to each his own, however concerning Broscience in the article I quoted....

http://www.muscleandfitness.com/nutrition/and-after

The article was written by two PhDs (Dwayne Jackson, PhD, and Jim Stoppani, PhD) in a reputable fitness magazine. Personally I wouldn't call that broscience considering their credentials (see below and their websites). Yet it does bring a bit of interesting topic to the discussion, Alan Aragon contradicts what these two PhDs say in the article. Again as I said to each his own. For me Muscle and Fitness isn't a broscience rag with articles written by PhDs.

I respect your opinions as well as Alan Aragon's and as I said again to each his/her own.

http://www.jimstoppani.com/
"Jim Stoppani holds a doctorate in exercise physiology with a minor in biochemistry from the University of Connecticut. Soon after graduation, he served as a postdoctoral research fellow in the prestigious John B. Pierce Laboratory and Department of Cellular and Molecular Physiology at Yale University School of Medicine".

http://www.microvessels.com/2.html
Dwayne Jackson PhD "Our team is interested in the sympathetic nervous system and how it may modify cellular and molecular responses in a number of different tissues. More specifically, our research investigates the impact of sympathetically derived neuropeptides and neurotransmitters on short-term microvessel modulation, as well as their long-term impact on angiogenesis, cellular mitogenesis, cellular morphology, and cell trafficking".

I am only a sideline observer in this, but a couple of things to point out: the article you cite provides no citations or references to studies that support the article's assertions. I am sure they are relying on such literature, so don't misunderstand me, and I also understand that, given the paper credentials of the authors, it is a reasonable to assume they have some scientific backing for what they say. So I think it's reasonable for you to cite such an article as backing for your comments.

It has been my experience, however, that guys who do a lot of "micro" studying have a tendency to draw "macro" conclusions without ever testing them to see if what the "macro" action predicts actually happens in real life.

To me, that is the crux between the two sides in this discussion.

From what I am reading of Acg67's citations, they show that, while the immediate effects you describe (and the M&F authors describe) may well occur, in the longer-term perspective, they have little significant impact.

I have seen this phenomenon enough times in recent years that I have begun to reserve judgement on almost any research conclusions that haven't been tested in a "response-->effect" type of longitudinal study.

You see the same thing in exercise training and fat oxidation. Exercise training results in physiological changes that enhance fat oxidation by the muscles. This can clearly be seen comparing responses of subjects over time as they undergo exercise training. It was a natural conclusion that the increased fat oxidation during exercise would enhance the loss of stored body fat--and that assumption was and is repeated by a number of fitness "experts".

The only problem is that, when you look at fat oxidation over 24 hours, there is no difference in either RQ or total fat oxidized between people who burn more fat during exercise and those who don't. The amount of fat burned during exercise affects fat oxidation at rest following the workout--the body up- or down-regulates fat oxidation, so that, at the end of 24 hours, there is no difference.

So when I see statements like:

Research shows it can increase blood flow to muscle fibers because it increases nitric oxide. And that means your muscles get more of the stuff that blood carries--— oxygen, glucose, amino acids, anabolic hormones like testosterone and growth hormone, and the other supplements like glutamine and creatine that you'’ve taken.

my first response now is: "So what?--Prove that makes a difference over time in real life". The articles cited by Acg67 would suggest that it doesn't and certainly my own reading of literature in related areas (fat oxidation, as described above) suggests that as well.

Acg67

As I said, to each his own, however concerning Broscience in the article I quoted....

http://www.muscleandfitness.com/nutrition/and-after

The article was written by two PhDs (Dwayne Jackson, PhD, and Jim Stoppani, PhD) in a reputable fitness magazine. Personally I wouldn't call that broscience considering their credentials (see below and their websites). Yet it does bring a bit of interesting topic to the discussion, Alan Aragon contradicts what these two PhDs say in the article. Again as I said to each his own. For me Muscle and Fitness isn't a broscience rag with articles written by PhDs.

I respect your opinions as well as Alan Aragon's and as I said again to each his/her own.

http://www.jimstoppani.com/
"Jim Stoppani holds a doctorate in exercise physiology with a minor in biochemistry from the University of Connecticut. Soon after graduation, he served as a postdoctoral research fellow in the prestigious John B. Pierce Laboratory and Department of Cellular and Molecular Physiology at Yale University School of Medicine".

http://www.microvessels.com/2.html
Dwayne Jackson PhD "Our team is interested in the sympathetic nervous system and how it may modify cellular and molecular responses in a number of different tissues. More specifically, our research investigates the impact of sympathetically derived neuropeptides and neurotransmitters on short-term microvessel modulation, as well as their long-term impact on angiogenesis, cellular mitogenesis, cellular morphology, and cell trafficking".

I have no doubt those 2 authors are smart guys and that Muscle and Fitness may contain some decent info, however you have to realize they are trying to sell you something when you read that article. The advice is very heavy on using supplements whose efficacy is in question. That's not to say any of that advice is bad for you, just I think most of it is completely unnecessary.

Another example would be Layne Norton, who is super smart but I take his advice on using BCAAs with a grain of salt since he has a contract with Scivation, whose #1 supplement is Xtend, a BCAA product

antoniosmooth

As I said, to each his own, however concerning Broscience in the article I quoted....

http://www.muscleandfitness.com/nutrition/and-after

The article was written by two PhDs (Dwayne Jackson, PhD, and Jim Stoppani, PhD) in a reputable fitness magazine. Personally I wouldn't call that broscience considering their credentials (see below and their websites). Yet it does bring a bit of interesting topic to the discussion, Alan Aragon contradicts what these two PhDs say in the article. Again as I said to each his own. For me Muscle and Fitness isn't a broscience rag with articles written by PhDs.

I respect your opinions as well as Alan Aragon's and as I said again to each his/her own.

http://www.jimstoppani.com/
"Jim Stoppani holds a doctorate in exercise physiology with a minor in biochemistry from the University of Connecticut. Soon after graduation, he served as a postdoctoral research fellow in the prestigious John B. Pierce Laboratory and Department of Cellular and Molecular Physiology at Yale University School of Medicine".

http://www.microvessels.com/2.html
Dwayne Jackson PhD "Our team is interested in the sympathetic nervous system and how it may modify cellular and molecular responses in a number of different tissues. More specifically, our research investigates the impact of sympathetically derived neuropeptides and neurotransmitters on short-term microvessel modulation, as well as their long-term impact on angiogenesis, cellular mitogenesis, cellular morphology, and cell trafficking".

I have no doubt those 2 authors are smart guys and that Muscle and Fitness may contain some decent info, however you have to realize they are trying to sell you something when you read that article. The advice is very heavy on using supplements whose efficacy is in question. That's not to say any of that advice is bad for you, just I think most of it is completely unnecessary.

Another example would be Layne Norton, who is super smart but I take his advice on using BCAAs with a grain of salt since he has a contract with Scivation, whose #1 supplement is Xtend, a BCAA product

Actually I do agree in general principle to the timing is NOT important. This is actually the method I've been following since December and I feel my body appears better... less bulk. If I do decide to GROW again I'll go back to the timing but its so confusing.

For example I read an article last night stating timing isn't important due to the limited research on timing then near mid article stated timing could be a factor basically saying nobody really knows.

ilovedeadlifts

Overall I don't think the timing matters. Because digestion isn't an instant process.

That being said, i prefer to take my whey protein after lifting, because I'd throw it up while squatting if I drank it before.
Don't overthink things, do what works for you.