Paleo: good or bad?
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hahahaha....yeah ok. I meant processed foods as stated in first sentence. Paleo is what you make it, my dear. You set your own rules as to what you choose to eliminate, whatever works for YOU. Some are stricter than others. If corn oil, vegetable oil, or canola oil is a must have, then by all means, continue doing so. I like more natural varieties myself.
who said that? Oils are fat which are included in Paleo, Olive, avocado, coconut oils are my preference, but you use what you want.Paleo is eliminating grains and processed foods. Processed = fake. I've been eating Paleo/primal for a year now and have absolutely no regrets. I dont "miss" any certain types of "foods' Paleo is very filling and while most eat it primarily for weight loss there are a many more benefits from it. Read up on it, start off slow if you want, make one meal paleo, and then as you start adjusting, increase it to 2 paleo meals, etc. Good luck with whatever lifestyle change you choose.
Olive oils and other oils are fake?
You did
And oils are all processed. There is a difference between not being processed and different degrees of processing, simply labeling all processed foods as you did is silly0 -
Come on, Acg, you know those cavemen had hydraulic presses for making olive oil...
I do tend to find it amusing when it comes to these threads, that self proclaimed "Paleo eaters," completely change and alter the definition of the Paleo diet to pretty much match any kind of criticism to it. I mean, if you read all of these threads about it, and take everything that's said at face value, then EVERYTHING is Paleo. Which, frankly, isn't true in the slightest.
There's a huge difference between "eating whole foods" and eating "Paleo." I think there are either a lot of people who label themselves as Paleo even though they aren't because they think it makes them superior, or they just don't understand the difference. A lot of people just need specific labels in order to feel good about themselves.0 -
Come on, Acg, you know those cavemen had hydraulic presses for making olive oil...
I do tend to find it amusing when it comes to these threads, that self proclaimed "Paleo eaters," completely change and alter the definition of the Paleo diet to pretty much match any kind of criticism to it. I mean, if you read all of these threads about it, and take everything that's said at face value, then EVERYTHING is Paleo. Which, frankly, isn't true in the slightest.
There's a huge difference between "eating whole foods" and eating "Paleo." I think there are either a lot of people who label themselves as Paleo even though they aren't because they think it makes them superior, or they just don't understand the difference. A lot of people just need specific labels in order to feel good about themselves.
To be honest, I really don't know the difference between the two. I've never 'dieted' or restricted my diet ever, and Paleo was something I recently heard about. I guess I have to do some more research.0 -
I have switched to a more Primal lifestyle and I love it.
I eat whole cuts of meat. I eat fresh veggies. I eat fruit.
I avoid peanuts, beans, peas, and all wheat products.
I haven't lost a ton of weight yet (4 lbs in 3 1/2 weeks, getting close to losing the 5th), but I feel so much better since getting rid of the other stuff.
truthfully, it's not about losing weight, although it does sometimes happen (usually), it's about eating food without toxins. No hormones, no antibiotics, no gluten, no icky proteins that attack your body, nothing that has been changed from one form to something completely different (i.e. prehistoric wheat to modern day wheat - read Wheat Belly).
Fresh stuff - straight from the source.
It's hard - don't get me wrong... going out for dinner with friends is nearly impossible unless you're willing to make some concessions... my advice - check out www.marksdailyapple.com. He has a lot of information available that can help you make the decision.
I don't follow it perfectly... I allow some foods in that go against paleo/primal, but it's more about what foods your body can tolerate and how you feel as opposed to what is allowed and what isn't.
PS Primal and Paleo are different approaches. Know the difference.0 -
To be honest, I really don't know the difference between the two. I've never 'dieted' or restricted my diet ever, and Paleo was something I recently heard about. I guess I have to do some more research.
Take a peek:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/37-primal-paleo-support-group
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/621-the-primal-life-tips-from-the-cave0 -
I do tend to find it amusing when it comes to these threads, that self proclaimed "Paleo eaters," completely change and alter the definition of the Paleo diet to pretty much match any kind of criticism to it. I mean, if you read all of these threads about it, and take everything that's said at face value, then EVERYTHING is Paleo. Which, frankly, isn't true in the slightest.
Like what? I don't really see that paleo/primal eaters are making everything paleo or primal just to match criticism...I think there are primal/paleo folks who do follow the 80/20 philosophy, especially if they aren't choosing it for weight loss. Some primal folks eat dairy, some don't. Some incorporate rice and potatoes, some don't. Paleo and Primal are exactly like any other lifestyle change in that everyone meets their fuel needs slightly differently, but following the same template. There is a difference between paleo and primal actually, and you are right, there are likely lots of people who aren't really sure of the differences between them...there aren't huge differences, that's probably where some of the confusion comes from.There's a huge difference between "eating whole foods" and eating "Paleo." I think there are either a lot of people who label themselves as Paleo even though they aren't because they think it makes them superior, or they just don't understand the difference. A lot of people just need specific labels in order to feel good about themselves.
Just out of genuine curiosity, can I please have links to those threads where folks are stating that paleo/primal is the best lifestyle plan for everyone?? I see many folks who live this way talking about personal benefits, but I must have missed the ones where people think it is superior to any other eating plan, and everyone should do it. If I'm wrong, fair enough, I just like a bit of context.
A lot of people need to find fault with other peoples' diets in order to feel good about themselves.0 -
I do tend to find it amusing when it comes to these threads, that self proclaimed "Paleo eaters," completely change and alter the definition of the Paleo diet to pretty much match any kind of criticism to it. I mean, if you read all of these threads about it, and take everything that's said at face value, then EVERYTHING is Paleo. Which, frankly, isn't true in the slightest.
Like what? I don't really see that paleo/primal eaters are making everything paleo or primal just to match criticism...I think there are primal/paleo folks who do follow the 80/20 philosophy, especially if they aren't choosing it for weight loss. Some primal folks eat dairy, some don't. Some incorporate rice and potatoes, some don't. Paleo and Primal are exactly like any other lifestyle change in that everyone meets their fuel needs slightly differently, but following the same template. There is a difference between paleo and primal actually, and you are right, there are likely lots of people who aren't really sure of the differences between them...there aren't huge differences, that's probably where some of the confusion comes from.There's a huge difference between "eating whole foods" and eating "Paleo." I think there are either a lot of people who label themselves as Paleo even though they aren't because they think it makes them superior, or they just don't understand the difference. A lot of people just need specific labels in order to feel good about themselves.
Just out of genuine curiosity, can I please have links to those threads where folks are stating that paleo/primal is the best lifestyle plan for everyone?? I see many folks who live this way talking about personal benefits, but I must have missed the ones where people think it is superior to any other eating plan, and everyone should do it. If I'm wrong, fair enough, I just like a bit of context.
A lot of people need to find fault with other peoples' diets in order to feel good about themselves.
I am glad you addressed that question first about the one poster saying that Paleo people end up saying everything is Paleo. I have never heard of anyone on the Paleo or Primal plan say that cake and cookies are on plan as they are not. I could not think of anything nice to say so I didn't say anything at all.
And to the other question, many Paleo / Primal people are a bit over zealous with their lifestyle plan as are many vegetarians and vegans.
Personally (in my opinion) I can't see where people can't say that eating sufficient fat, protein and vegetables and fruits aren't an optimum way of eating for all human beings. We aren't designed to eat stuff like packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances that is why there are so many lifestyle diseases such as Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, etc.0 -
I do tend to find it amusing when it comes to these threads, that self proclaimed "Paleo eaters," completely change and alter the definition of the Paleo diet to pretty much match any kind of criticism to it. I mean, if you read all of these threads about it, and take everything that's said at face value, then EVERYTHING is Paleo. Which, frankly, isn't true in the slightest.
Like what? I don't really see that paleo/primal eaters are making everything paleo or primal just to match criticism...I think there are primal/paleo folks who do follow the 80/20 philosophy, especially if they aren't choosing it for weight loss. Some primal folks eat dairy, some don't. Some incorporate rice and potatoes, some don't. Paleo and Primal are exactly like any other lifestyle change in that everyone meets their fuel needs slightly differently, but following the same template. There is a difference between paleo and primal actually, and you are right, there are likely lots of people who aren't really sure of the differences between them...there aren't huge differences, that's probably where some of the confusion comes from.There's a huge difference between "eating whole foods" and eating "Paleo." I think there are either a lot of people who label themselves as Paleo even though they aren't because they think it makes them superior, or they just don't understand the difference. A lot of people just need specific labels in order to feel good about themselves.
Just out of genuine curiosity, can I please have links to those threads where folks are stating that paleo/primal is the best lifestyle plan for everyone?? I see many folks who live this way talking about personal benefits, but I must have missed the ones where people think it is superior to any other eating plan, and everyone should do it. If I'm wrong, fair enough, I just like a bit of context.
A lot of people need to find fault with other peoples' diets in order to feel good about themselves.
www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/522226-let-s-talk-about-the-paleo-diet
The 2nd part seems to be deleted now, but claims that Paleo was superior were made in it0 -
I am glad you addressed that question first about the one poster saying that Paleo people end up saying everything is Paleo. I have never heard of anyone on the Paleo or Primal plan say that cake and cookies are on plan as they are not. I could not think of anything nice to say so I didn't say anything at all.
And to the other question, many Paleo / Primal people are a bit over zealous with their lifestyle plan as are many vegetarians and vegans.
Personally (in my opinion) I can't see where people can't say that eating sufficient fat, protein and vegetables and fruits aren't an optimum way of eating for all human beings. We aren't designed to eat stuff like packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances that is why there are so many lifestyle diseases such as Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, etc.
And are carbs required for optimum performance in life or not? I understand that they are non essential, but for optimum performance, are they good or bad?
And can you please substantiate your claim that "packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances " cause lifestyle diseases0 -
I think the concept of eating whole and minimally processed foods, (while not a unique concept to paleo) is a very good one.
I think the food elimination is silly.
I think the premise of modeling our intake after our ancestors is silly.
Totally agree with this guy.
Modeling our intake with our ancestors is totally unrealistic. Our ancestors had very little overall nutrition and died young. No thanks.
I do agree that eating mostly non-processed and whole foods is a great idea, but I can realistically only stick to that 90% of the time (on a good week). I did Crossfit for a while, and the people in there who followed a strict Paleo diet didn't look that good if you ask me.
Losing weight still only comes down to counting calories.
I'm going to disaagree with both of you.
I'd suggest for anyone to read any of these academic papers.
http://thepaleodiet.com/published-research
The idea that our ancestors lived short brutal lives so we shouldn't look at our own evolutionary biology is an uneducated cop out slogan. Yes, many died young from injuries, but the many who did live into older age were in remarkably good health. Do your research and don't ignore that you are a complex animal with a very long history.
And losing or gaining weight does not only come down to counting calories. We are not so simple, to claim so is shortsighted. I'll say it again: Hormones!0 -
I am glad you addressed that question first about the one poster saying that Paleo people end up saying everything is Paleo. I have never heard of anyone on the Paleo or Primal plan say that cake and cookies are on plan as they are not. I could not think of anything nice to say so I didn't say anything at all.
And to the other question, many Paleo / Primal people are a bit over zealous with their lifestyle plan as are many vegetarians and vegans.
Personally (in my opinion) I can't see where people can't say that eating sufficient fat, protein and vegetables and fruits aren't an optimum way of eating for all human beings. We aren't designed to eat stuff like packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances that is why there are so many lifestyle diseases such as Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, etc.
And are carbs required for optimum performance in life or not? I understand that they are non essential, but for optimum performance, are they good or bad?
And can you please substantiate your claim that "packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances " cause lifestyle diseases
I didn't see where she said anything about carbs, you can get all the carbs you need from fruits and veggies. The "bad guy" is not carbs, it is the biochemical properties of grains and our consequent leaky gut and chronic inflammatory response. (for many people)0 -
It's good if your body doesn't tolerate dairy or grains. It's unnecessary if your body doesn't have a problem with dairy or grains.0
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I've read up on Paleo, simply because I have a friend who is into it and swears by it. I personally think it would be very hard to stick to and that you would be missing big things from your diet. Not saying that it isn't possible but I am not convinced that it is the most healthy way of eating out there.
From what I see, it is more of a lifestyle like vegan or vegetarian... Rather than a "diet" that you try out for awhile and eventually fall off the band wagon and gain everything back. I would suggest that you read up on it more and talk to people who have actually taken the lifestyle on. Instead of just going Paleo to loose a few pounds.
Just like MFP is a lifestyle vs. a fad diet. MFP works, you don't have to "diet" -- just simply eat healthy and exercise. This is the basic principal for anyone who wants to loose weight but as a culture we do not want to wait and therefore are constantly looking for short cuts... not worrying about the long term consequences to our bodies.0 -
My opinion is ... don't label your diet.
I've eliminated grains and legumes and feel better for it but that's just me and my body. I can live without those foods just fine. Those around me are probably thankful. :blushing:
I've also eliminated most processed foods and that has eliminated a lot of binges.
But ...
I eat butter, Greek yogurt, cheese, some raw sugar in my tea, 70% chocolate.
You can definitely reverse things by eliminating the crap out of your diet.
You don't need a book or a label to do this.
Focus on whole foods mostly and have the occasional treat if that floats your boat.
Pretty much agree with this. I have cut out most processed foods.....but I do eat butter, cheese, and dark chocolate (which amazingly now tastes sweet to me).
Mostly whole foods; just occasional treats.......0 -
www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/522226-let-s-talk-about-the-paleo-diet
The 2nd part seems to be deleted now, but claims that Paleo was superior were made in it
Sorry...none there...not one in that thread stated that this was a superior lifestyle or that it worked for everyone. In fact, that thread actually indicated that there were such claims on other threads, but I don't seem to be able to find those, either.0 -
I am glad you addressed that question first about the one poster saying that Paleo people end up saying everything is Paleo. I have never heard of anyone on the Paleo or Primal plan say that cake and cookies are on plan as they are not. I could not think of anything nice to say so I didn't say anything at all.
And to the other question, many Paleo / Primal people are a bit over zealous with their lifestyle plan as are many vegetarians and vegans.
Personally (in my opinion) I can't see where people can't say that eating sufficient fat, protein and vegetables and fruits aren't an optimum way of eating for all human beings. We aren't designed to eat stuff like packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances that is why there are so many lifestyle diseases such as Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, etc.
And are carbs required for optimum performance in life or not? I understand that they are non essential, but for optimum performance, are they good or bad?
And can you please substantiate your claim that "packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances " cause lifestyle diseases
I didn't see where she said anything about carbs, you can get all the carbs you need from fruits and veggies. The "bad guy" is not carbs, it is the biochemical properties of grains and our consequent leaky gut and chronic inflammatory response. (for many people)
He just likes to start arguments. I am done with the Drama King.
He knows that packaged, frozen, boxed stuff isn't real food, but merely food like substances.
People are so brain washed to think they need carbs in copious amounts (and in the form of grains) to have optimum performance and that is completely not true.0 -
I am glad you addressed that question first about the one poster saying that Paleo people end up saying everything is Paleo. I have never heard of anyone on the Paleo or Primal plan say that cake and cookies are on plan as they are not. I could not think of anything nice to say so I didn't say anything at all.
And to the other question, many Paleo / Primal people are a bit over zealous with their lifestyle plan as are many vegetarians and vegans.
Personally (in my opinion) I can't see where people can't say that eating sufficient fat, protein and vegetables and fruits aren't an optimum way of eating for all human beings. We aren't designed to eat stuff like packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances that is why there are so many lifestyle diseases such as Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, etc.
And are carbs required for optimum performance in life or not? I understand that they are non essential, but for optimum performance, are they good or bad?
And can you please substantiate your claim that "packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances " cause lifestyle diseases
I didn't see where she said anything about carbs, you can get all the carbs you need from fruits and veggies. The "bad guy" is not carbs, it is the biochemical properties of grains and our consequent leaky gut and chronic inflammatory response. (for many people)
He just likes to start arguments. I am done with the Drama King.
He knows that packaged, frozen, boxed stuff isn't real food, but merely food like substances.
People are so brain washed to think they need carbs in copious amounts (and in the form of grains) to have optimum performance and that is completely not true.
let the brainwashing continue. it keeps the price of meat down
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I have switched to a more Primal lifestyle and I love it.
I eat whole cuts of meat. I eat fresh veggies. I eat fruit.
I avoid peanuts, beans, peas, and all wheat products.
I haven't lost a ton of weight yet (4 lbs in 3 1/2 weeks, getting close to losing the 5th), but I feel so much better since getting rid of the other stuff.
truthfully, it's not about losing weight, although it does sometimes happen (usually), it's about eating food without toxins. No hormones, no antibiotics, no gluten, no icky proteins that attack your body, nothing that has been changed from one form to something completely different (i.e. prehistoric wheat to modern day wheat - read Wheat Belly).
Fresh stuff - straight from the source.
It's hard - don't get me wrong... going out for dinner with friends is nearly impossible unless you're willing to make some concessions... my advice - check out www.marksdailyapple.com. He has a lot of information available that can help you make the decision.
I don't follow it perfectly... I allow some foods in that go against paleo/primal, but it's more about what foods your body can tolerate and how you feel as opposed to what is allowed and what isn't.
PS Primal and Paleo are different approaches. Know the difference.
I don't see how eating whole foods is hard? More prep work and more time consuming yes, but hard........no.
And eating out is easier with Primal / Paleo than it is with counting calories. Choose, steak, sea food or even chicken and the steamed or grilled vegetables. Order a dinner / side salad along with said meal and ask for vinegar and oil dressing.
We don't eat out often any longer, but when we do I don't find it hard at all and the other entrees and such are not even tempting to me any longer.0 -
I am glad you addressed that question first about the one poster saying that Paleo people end up saying everything is Paleo. I have never heard of anyone on the Paleo or Primal plan say that cake and cookies are on plan as they are not. I could not think of anything nice to say so I didn't say anything at all.
And to the other question, many Paleo / Primal people are a bit over zealous with their lifestyle plan as are many vegetarians and vegans.
Personally (in my opinion) I can't see where people can't say that eating sufficient fat, protein and vegetables and fruits aren't an optimum way of eating for all human beings. We aren't designed to eat stuff like packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances that is why there are so many lifestyle diseases such as Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, etc.
And are carbs required for optimum performance in life or not? I understand that they are non essential, but for optimum performance, are they good or bad?
And can you please substantiate your claim that "packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances " cause lifestyle diseases
I didn't see where she said anything about carbs, you can get all the carbs you need from fruits and veggies. The "bad guy" is not carbs, it is the biochemical properties of grains and our consequent leaky gut and chronic inflammatory response. (for many people)
He just likes to start arguments. I am done with the Drama King.
He knows that packaged, frozen, boxed stuff isn't real food, but merely food like substances.
People are so brain washed to think they need carbs in copious amounts (and in the form of grains) to have optimum performance and that is completely not true.
let the brainwashing continue. it keeps the price of meat down
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A lady at work had a heart attack a few years back and has trouble losing any weight since thing (due to meds I guess?)
She's been doing it for a month, no noticeable difference.
Paleo is just eating meat, veggies, fruit, and nuts right? Don't see anything wrong with that. Unless you like...food =P
Your last comment makes no sense. Meat, fat, vegetables, fruit and nuts are REAL food................That processed stuff you all call food is NOT REAL food, it is a FOOD LIKE substance.
I prefer real food.
Agreed, once you get off the processed crap and have a bite now and then it doens't even taste like food anymore, tastes bland and boring.0 -
I am glad you addressed that question first about the one poster saying that Paleo people end up saying everything is Paleo. I have never heard of anyone on the Paleo or Primal plan say that cake and cookies are on plan as they are not. I could not think of anything nice to say so I didn't say anything at all.
And to the other question, many Paleo / Primal people are a bit over zealous with their lifestyle plan as are many vegetarians and vegans.
Personally (in my opinion) I can't see where people can't say that eating sufficient fat, protein and vegetables and fruits aren't an optimum way of eating for all human beings. We aren't designed to eat stuff like packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances that is why there are so many lifestyle diseases such as Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, etc.
And are carbs required for optimum performance in life or not? I understand that they are non essential, but for optimum performance, are they good or bad?
And can you please substantiate your claim that "packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances " cause lifestyle diseases
I didn't see where she said anything about carbs, you can get all the carbs you need from fruits and veggies. The "bad guy" is not carbs, it is the biochemical properties of grains and our consequent leaky gut and chronic inflammatory response. (for many people)
He just likes to start arguments. I am done with the Drama King.
He knows that packaged, frozen, boxed stuff isn't real food, but merely food like substances.
And your reading comprehension is top notch as always. I never denied that but asked you to substantiate your claim that they caused lifestyle diseases.People are so brain washed to think they need carbs in copious amounts (and in the form of grains) to have optimum performance and that is completely not true.
Ah yes, people can optimally perform athletically or on cognitive tests without carbs. Anything to substantiate that?
So is it starting drama or countering nonsensical claims?0 -
I am glad you addressed that question first about the one poster saying that Paleo people end up saying everything is Paleo. I have never heard of anyone on the Paleo or Primal plan say that cake and cookies are on plan as they are not. I could not think of anything nice to say so I didn't say anything at all.
And to the other question, many Paleo / Primal people are a bit over zealous with their lifestyle plan as are many vegetarians and vegans.
Personally (in my opinion) I can't see where people can't say that eating sufficient fat, protein and vegetables and fruits aren't an optimum way of eating for all human beings. We aren't designed to eat stuff like packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances that is why there are so many lifestyle diseases such as Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, etc.
And are carbs required for optimum performance in life or not? I understand that they are non essential, but for optimum performance, are they good or bad?
And can you please substantiate your claim that "packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances " cause lifestyle diseases
I didn't see where she said anything about carbs, you can get all the carbs you need from fruits and veggies. The "bad guy" is not carbs, it is the biochemical properties of grains and our consequent leaky gut and chronic inflammatory response. (for many people)
He just likes to start arguments. I am done with the Drama King.
He knows that packaged, frozen, boxed stuff isn't real food, but merely food like substances.
And your reading comprehension is top notch as always. I never denied that but asked you to substantiate your claim that they caused lifestyle diseases.People are so brain washed to think they need carbs in copious amounts (and in the form of grains) to have optimum performance and that is completely not true.
Ah yes, people can optimally perform athletically or on cognitive tests without carbs. Anything to substantiate that?
So is it starting drama or countering nonsensical claims?
You know you should be looking up this information yourself. I do enough reading for myself and my husband, I don't need to add you to my list of doing reading for.
You and I and many others also know that the sodium, sugar and preservatives in said processed food like substances are triggers for people to eat more. They are designed to spark those signals over and over, which leave people eating more than they should which leads to weight gain and other lifestyle diseases.
References are listed at the bottom of the articles. These are merely 2 articles that I have previously read in regards to this and I know there are many more out there.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/509487-do-processed-foods-affect-our-mind-bones-and-organs/?utm_source=popslideshow&utm_medium=a1
http://www.livestrong.com/article/508979-how-could-eating-habits-affect-how-long-you-live/0 -
I am glad you addressed that question first about the one poster saying that Paleo people end up saying everything is Paleo. I have never heard of anyone on the Paleo or Primal plan say that cake and cookies are on plan as they are not. I could not think of anything nice to say so I didn't say anything at all.
And to the other question, many Paleo / Primal people are a bit over zealous with their lifestyle plan as are many vegetarians and vegans.
Personally (in my opinion) I can't see where people can't say that eating sufficient fat, protein and vegetables and fruits aren't an optimum way of eating for all human beings. We aren't designed to eat stuff like packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances that is why there are so many lifestyle diseases such as Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, etc.
And are carbs required for optimum performance in life or not? I understand that they are non essential, but for optimum performance, are they good or bad?
And can you please substantiate your claim that "packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances " cause lifestyle diseases
I didn't see where she said anything about carbs, you can get all the carbs you need from fruits and veggies. The "bad guy" is not carbs, it is the biochemical properties of grains and our consequent leaky gut and chronic inflammatory response. (for many people)
He just likes to start arguments. I am done with the Drama King.
He knows that packaged, frozen, boxed stuff isn't real food, but merely food like substances.
And your reading comprehension is top notch as always. I never denied that but asked you to substantiate your claim that they caused lifestyle diseases.People are so brain washed to think they need carbs in copious amounts (and in the form of grains) to have optimum performance and that is completely not true.
Ah yes, people can optimally perform athletically or on cognitive tests without carbs. Anything to substantiate that?
So is it starting drama or countering nonsensical claims?
You know you should be looking up this information yourself. I do enough reading for myself and my husband, I don't need to add you to my list of doing reading for.
You and I and many others also know that the sodium, sugar and preservatives in said processed food like substances are triggers for people to eat more. They are designed to spark those signals over and over, which leave people eating more than they should which leads to weight gain and other lifestyle diseases.
References are listed at the bottom of the articles. These are merely 2 articles that I have previously read in regards to this and I know there are many more out there.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/509487-do-processed-foods-affect-our-mind-bones-and-organs/?utm_source=popslideshow&utm_medium=a1
http://www.livestrong.com/article/508979-how-could-eating-habits-affect-how-long-you-live/
The burden of proof falls on the claim maker, which in this case would be you.
From your first link
"Another risk of processed foods lies in their association with weight gain. A 2005 study by the University of Minnesota found that fast food consumption was positively linked to weight gain and insulin resistance"
"A 2007 study by the University of Minnesota found that children of families that consumed fast food for meals more than three times a week were more likely not to have vegetables or milk served at mealtime."
"A 2011 study by Mount Sinai School of Medicine, the Jewish Home & Hospital and JJ Peters Veterans Affairs Medical Center in New York found a positive association between high blood pressure and dementia."
So what did that article tell us? That eating processed foods are correlated to certain things, but as you know that does not mean they cause them. So got anything else?
Ever read this one?
Hormonal responses to a fast-food meal compared with nutritionally comparable meals of different composition. Ann Nutr Metab. 2007;51(2):163-71. Epub 2007 May 29.0 -
www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/522226-let-s-talk-about-the-paleo-diet
The 2nd part seems to be deleted now, but claims that Paleo was superior were made in it
Sorry...none there...not one in that thread stated that this was a superior lifestyle or that it worked for everyone. In fact, that thread actually indicated that there were such claims on other threads, which is why it was started, but I don't seem to be able to find those, either.
I would still appreciate some guidance here.0 -
www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/522226-let-s-talk-about-the-paleo-diet
The 2nd part seems to be deleted now, but claims that Paleo was superior were made in it
Sorry...none there...not one in that thread stated that this was a superior lifestyle or that it worked for everyone. In fact, that thread actually indicated that there were such claims on other threads, which is why it was started, but I don't seem to be able to find those, either.
I would still appreciate some guidance here.
Reading comprehension...
If you actually want specific names of who said it, I'd tell you.
and
"Personally (in my opinion) I can't see where people can't say that eating sufficient fat, protein and vegetables and fruits aren't an optimum way of eating for all human beings. "0 -
www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/522226-let-s-talk-about-the-paleo-diet
The 2nd part seems to be deleted now, but claims that Paleo was superior were made in it
Sorry...none there...not one in that thread stated that this was a superior lifestyle or that it worked for everyone. In fact, that thread actually indicated that there were such claims on other threads, which is why it was started, but I don't seem to be able to find those, either.
I would still appreciate some guidance here.
Me too, see the last page and please respond
www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/499459-eek-sugar0 -
www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/522226-let-s-talk-about-the-paleo-diet
The 2nd part seems to be deleted now, but claims that Paleo was superior were made in it
Sorry...none there...not one in that thread stated that this was a superior lifestyle or that it worked for everyone. In fact, that thread actually indicated that there were such claims on other threads, which is why it was started, but I don't seem to be able to find those, either.
I would still appreciate some guidance here.
The goal was to actually delve into the claims of the Paleo diet being the diet for optimal health and it's supposed superiority to other diets in areas of weight loss, health and athletic performance. And instead of focusing on anecdotal evidence, is there any scientific backing to these claims.
yes there is, I and others have posted such evidence before, numerous times, and from numerous different sources but for the past 8 months that I have come across your posts you always overlook them, sarcastically dismiss them, and attack or belittle those that give you the evidence you are constantly "asking" for!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo&feature=player_detailpage#t=1312s
^ evidence of the supposed superiority of paleo (of course that was the A to Z weight loss study and had nothing to do with paleo)
"That is exactly what makes paleo/low carb superior...the idea that they can instinctively eat just the right enough food to create a caloric deficit without even thinking about their calorie intake. I don't know why this is un-important to so many people. "
Here's a pro paleo person
"In my opinion it's a fools errand to argue with someone that has their mind made up. It's also a fool that believes anything put out by the latest "study", I find much comfort in listening to people who have actually done what it is I want to do, I find even more comfort in testing what others have done with my own diet. If you don't want to listen to the THOUSANDS of people who have changed their diet to more closely relate to the "paleo" diet, that is on you, if you are so marrow minded that you have to have a study done for years, by FDA approved method, have fun. We will enjoy optimal health, of both mind and body, while you search out the latest "study"0 -
I have been primal since jan. I have lost 40 pounds and I have gained soooo much energy. My advice try it. I have lived a life of feeding my body crap and i started paleo and never looked back and never felt better. There was a above comment about how paleo is not a list of banned foods and that is so true. Its all bout what your body can handle I do pretty good with dairy so i will add a lil cheese to my food or butter. Having a boyfriend who is a chef we always have tasty treats that he has whipped up and every now and again i enjoy one. Like i said give it a try. the best "diet" is the one that YOU can stick to. There are lots of amazing primal sites out there marksdailyapple is one i follow paleodietlifestyles.com is my go to site when i dont know something check them out.0
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www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/522226-let-s-talk-about-the-paleo-diet
The 2nd part seems to be deleted now, but claims that Paleo was superior were made in it
Sorry...none there...not one in that thread stated that this was a superior lifestyle or that it worked for everyone. In fact, that thread actually indicated that there were such claims on other threads, which is why it was started, but I don't seem to be able to find those, either.
I would still appreciate some guidance here.
Reading comprehension...
If you actually want specific names of who said it, I'd tell you.
and
"Personally (in my opinion) I can't see where people can't say that eating sufficient fat, protein and vegetables and fruits aren't an optimum way of eating for all human beings. "
That is not thinking anyone is superior. It is something my Dr's have told me thousands of times. I really wish my other patients would go back to eating the basics. No one needs that crap, it isn't real food anyway. Why do people want to poison their bodies.......
It is something that we as humans should or already do know. Most just want to ignore it for their moment of false pleasure.0 -
I am glad you addressed that question first about the one poster saying that Paleo people end up saying everything is Paleo. I have never heard of anyone on the Paleo or Primal plan say that cake and cookies are on plan as they are not. I could not think of anything nice to say so I didn't say anything at all.
And to the other question, many Paleo / Primal people are a bit over zealous with their lifestyle plan as are many vegetarians and vegans.
Personally (in my opinion) I can't see where people can't say that eating sufficient fat, protein and vegetables and fruits aren't an optimum way of eating for all human beings. We aren't designed to eat stuff like packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances that is why there are so many lifestyle diseases such as Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, etc.
And are carbs required for optimum performance in life or not? I understand that they are non essential, but for optimum performance, are they good or bad?
And can you please substantiate your claim that "packaged, frozen, boxed food like substances " cause lifestyle diseases
I didn't see where she said anything about carbs, you can get all the carbs you need from fruits and veggies. The "bad guy" is not carbs, it is the biochemical properties of grains and our consequent leaky gut and chronic inflammatory response. (for many people)
He just likes to start arguments. I am done with the Drama King.
He knows that packaged, frozen, boxed stuff isn't real food, but merely food like substances.
And your reading comprehension is top notch as always. I never denied that but asked you to substantiate your claim that they caused lifestyle diseases.People are so brain washed to think they need carbs in copious amounts (and in the form of grains) to have optimum performance and that is completely not true.
Ah yes, people can optimally perform athletically or on cognitive tests without carbs. Anything to substantiate that?
So is it starting drama or countering nonsensical claims?
You know you should be looking up this information yourself. I do enough reading for myself and my husband, I don't need to add you to my list of doing reading for.
You and I and many others also know that the sodium, sugar and preservatives in said processed food like substances are triggers for people to eat more. They are designed to spark those signals over and over, which leave people eating more than they should which leads to weight gain and other lifestyle diseases.
References are listed at the bottom of the articles. These are merely 2 articles that I have previously read in regards to this and I know there are many more out there.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/509487-do-processed-foods-affect-our-mind-bones-and-organs/?utm_source=popslideshow&utm_medium=a1
http://www.livestrong.com/article/508979-how-could-eating-habits-affect-how-long-you-live/
The burden of proof falls on the claim maker, which in this case would be you.
From your first link
"Another risk of processed foods lies in their association with weight gain. A 2005 study by the University of Minnesota found that fast food consumption was positively linked to weight gain and insulin resistance"
"A 2007 study by the University of Minnesota found that children of families that consumed fast food for meals more than three times a week were more likely not to have vegetables or milk served at mealtime."
"A 2011 study by Mount Sinai School of Medicine, the Jewish Home & Hospital and JJ Peters Veterans Affairs Medical Center in New York found a positive association between high blood pressure and dementia."
So what did that article tell us? That eating processed foods are correlated to certain things, but as you know that does not mean they cause them. So got anything else?
Ever read this one?
Hormonal responses to a fast-food meal compared with nutritionally comparable meals of different composition. Ann Nutr Metab. 2007;51(2):163-71. Epub 2007 May 29.
The burden of proof DOES NOT fall on me. First of all, I have NOTHING to prove to you. If you want to know, do the reading and research for yourself.
How about you live your life and I will continue to live mine? OK?0
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