Why We Get Fat
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Why We Get Fat and What To Do About It by Gary Taubes- has anyone read the book?
I am a couple chapters in and it's honestly kind of discouraging. It goes on and on about how everything we have learned about weight loss is wrong. It's NOT about calories in vs calories out. The author mentions that when we exercise, we get hungry and eat more... which leads to weight gain! We eat carbs that mess with our hormones and insulin levels... which leads to weight gain... even if we are eating a small amount of calories. People were put on restricted "balanced" diets of 1000-1200 calories a day and lost only a few pounds over 6 months. Only 1 in 4 lost 20lbs. And then keeping it off was near impossible. Makes sense. I ate a diet of 1200-1800 calories and lost 60lbs in about a year. Got to a point in my life where I couldn't count calories due to work and eating what was available... gained back 30lbs in 6 months! I read great reviews on this book. I am hoping the "And What To Do About It" part is more helpful! =/
Just wondering what anyone else thought of the book.
I am a couple chapters in and it's honestly kind of discouraging. It goes on and on about how everything we have learned about weight loss is wrong. It's NOT about calories in vs calories out. The author mentions that when we exercise, we get hungry and eat more... which leads to weight gain! We eat carbs that mess with our hormones and insulin levels... which leads to weight gain... even if we are eating a small amount of calories. People were put on restricted "balanced" diets of 1000-1200 calories a day and lost only a few pounds over 6 months. Only 1 in 4 lost 20lbs. And then keeping it off was near impossible. Makes sense. I ate a diet of 1200-1800 calories and lost 60lbs in about a year. Got to a point in my life where I couldn't count calories due to work and eating what was available... gained back 30lbs in 6 months! I read great reviews on this book. I am hoping the "And What To Do About It" part is more helpful! =/
Just wondering what anyone else thought of the book.
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Just wondering what anyone else thought of the book.
Generally speaking I think Taubes is a journalist and sensationalist and the majority (certainly not ALL) of what he says isn't supported enough for him to reach those conclusions. Unfortunately he tends to ingore a large supply of studies and just cherry picks the few that support his rather silly ideas. But, he is good at convincing.
I would suggest not putting too much stock into what he writes, and I would also recommend the following counterpoints to Taubes' theories by someone who I consider very objective, and well researched. Krieger writes excellent stuff in general:
http://weightology.net/?p=265
http://weightology.net/?p=251
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
Lyle McDonald has a good write up about insulin and a huge debate occurs between Taubes fans and Lyle, you can see the article here with the interesting comment that I'll just paste below:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/insulin-levels-and-fat-loss-qa.html
Lyle:
"Blah, blah, blah, blah. Yes, I’ve seen and heard it all before but here’s the problem. A major part of Taube’s entire premise is based on a 1980 study that is incorrect.
I’ll simply quote Bray from his review of Taube’s book and then ask you the following question: How come Taubes, in his ’5 years of research’ wasn’t able to realize that the self-reported food data in 1980 was wrong?
It’s 2009 and we know factually that the obese eat more than the lean. Yet somehow Taubes was unable to come across that data point. And refuses to acknowledge it even now. What does that tell you about him and his agenda?
This quote comes from the following paper.
Bray, GA. Good Calories by Gary Taubes. Obesity Reviews (2008) 9:251-263.
Bray says:
“In developing his ideas about calories and obesity in Good Calories, Bad Calories, Taubes argues that obese individuals do not eat more than lean ones do. The data for his belief come from the Diet and Health Report (16) prepared by the National Academy of Sciences. This report said ‘Most studies comparing normal and overweight people suggest that those who are overweight eat fewer calories than those of normal weight’.calories more per day. To maintain this extra weight the women have to eat enough food to provide this extra energy.
We now know that the data used in the Diet and Health Report were wrong and that obese people eat more food energy than do lean ones. The data showed that normal-weight people underreport what they eat by 10–30%. This means that dietary food-intake records underestimate energy expendi- ture by nearly a quarter. For overweight people, the degree of underreporting is higher, varying from 30% to 50%.”
Bottom line, it’s still calories in vs. calories out."
Note that the specific rebuttals are directed at information in GCBC and not "Why We Get Fat", but it's worth reading what I am posting to understand how Taubes makes his incorrect conclusions.0 -
Gary Taubes has some interesting stuff to say but be aware that he is a noted Carbohydrate demonizer.
He is as extremist in the anti-carb direction as many of the Fat demonizers of the past few decades have been in the other direction.
It's good to know all these different viewpoints but it can lead to confusion and frustration. When it comes to weight loss, it is all about energy in vs energy out. That's basic physics and biology. There are lots of smaller factors but energy in/energy out is the big one.
I'd recommend reading "In Defense of Food" by Michael Pollan. It's a really nice, middle of the road, common sense antidote to all the nutritional extremists like Taubes. It will bring some balance to your relationship with eating.0 -
Just wondering what anyone else thought of the book.
Generally speaking I think Taubes is a journalist and sensationalist and the majority (certainly not ALL) of what he says isn't supported enough for him to reach those conclusions. Unfortunately he tends to ingore a large supply of studies and just cherry picks the few that support his rather silly ideas. But, he is good at convincing.
This has been my impression too.0 -
Gary Taubes is a low carb advocate. Unless you're WILLING to adhere to a low carb diet the rest of your life, learn a different method.
And yes it really is about calories in and calories out. There are other factors such as hormones, genes and intangibles not within our control, but you can't really gain fat or lean body mass from eating calorie deficit.
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Generally speaking I think Taubes is a journalist and sensationalist and the majority (certainly not ALL) of what he says isn't supported enough for him to reach those conclusions. Unfortunately he tends to ingore a large supply of studies and just cherry picks the few that support his rather silly ideas. But, he is good at convincing.
I was beginning to think the same way. His comments and "conclusions" seem pretty one-sided. I dunno if I even want to finish reading the book!0 -
I am all for cutting back on carbs. I try to keep mine relatively low and focus on more protein... but I don't think whole grains are going to make me fat. Sugar, ice cream and brownies outside of moderation will!0
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Taubes is clearly right that its not about the calories.
i mean look around on this calorie counting site, nobody is having any success at all.0 -
Let me throw in additionally that I'm not anti-low carb. Low carb is a viable tool for some people, it's just not the blanket solution and to demonize a macronutrient is just silly. I'm anti-BS.0
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To the body, fat = carbs.
There isn't much in the way of a metabolic pathway to go back and forth (the body does not store carbs as fat and it doesn't store fat as glycogen).
Eat more carbs and it burns more glycogen and less fat. Eat more fat and it burns more fat and less glycogen. The difference in burn rate at a given calorie intake is a total wash. Glycogen however is better exercise fuel, you will perform better athletically on a higher carb, lower fat diet than vice versa.
The whole anti-carb argument looks at the trees and totally ignores the forest, same as the anti-fat argument does (did). Both need to be moderated to lose body fat.
Also note, there IS a metabolic pathway for protein to glycogen, and the body needs glycogen. Eat too few carbs and your body will cannabalize your muscles if you don't eat enough protein for the body to synthesize essential glycogen.0 -
Taubes is clearly right that its not about the calories.
i mean look around on this calorie counting site, nobody is having any success at all.
I see what you did there.
He is right...in a WAY. When you are in a calorie deficit, it really is about calories in vs calories out. When you are maintaining then you have to be a little more careful as carbs are burned first, and dietary fat is stored. Eat too many carbs and the body will never burn the fat you eat. However if you are hitting your 40 carb, 30 fat, 30 protien macros and working out you should be fine.0 -
When the whole world starts gaining weight from carbs and the science is conclusive, then I'm a believer, until then I'll continue to lower my body fat percentage and weight consuming carbs.Let me throw in additionally that I'm not anti-low carb. Low carb is a viable tool for some people, it's just not the blanket solution and to demonize a macronutrient is just silly. I'm anti-BS.0 -
He has to say that everything we know about weight loss is wrong otherwise there would be no point in buying his book.Why We Get Fat and What To Do About It by Gary Taubes- has anyone read the book?
I am a couple chapters in and it's honestly kind of discouraging. It goes on and on about how everything we have learned about weight loss is wrong. It's NOT about calories in vs calories out. The author mentions that when we exercise, we get hungry and eat more... which leads to weight gain! We eat carbs that mess with our hormones and insulin levels... which leads to weight gain... even if we are eating a small amount of calories. People were put on restricted "balanced" diets of 1000-1200 calories a day and lost only a few pounds over 6 months. Only 1 in 4 lost 20lbs. And then keeping it off was near impossible. Makes sense. I ate a diet of 1200-1800 calories and lost 60lbs in about a year. Got to a point in my life where I couldn't count calories due to work and eating what was available... gained back 30lbs in 6 months! I read great reviews on this book. I am hoping the "And What To Do About It" part is more helpful! =/
Just wondering what anyone else thought of the book.0 -
Totally agree! I hit a stall a few weeks ago and have to watch both fats and carbs. The difference is ridiculous.To the body, fat = carbs.
There isn't much in the way of a metabolic pathway to go back and forth (the body does not store carbs as fat and it doesn't store fat as glycogen).
Eat more carbs and it burns more glycogen and less fat. Eat more fat and it burns more fat and less glycogen. The difference in burn rate at a given calorie intake is a total wash. Glycogen however is better exercise fuel, you will perform better athletically on a higher carb, lower fat diet than vice versa.
The whole anti-carb argument looks at the trees and totally ignores the forest, same as the anti-fat argument does (did). Both need to be moderated to lose body fat.
Also note, there IS a metabolic pathway for protein to glycogen, and the body needs glycogen. Eat too few carbs and your body will cannabalize your muscles if you don't eat enough protein for the body to synthesize essential glycogen.0 -
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Only read what you wrote and I think its not accurate. Ive lost about 85lbs by excersise and eating differently. And ive maintained for about 2 years now. I pretty much eat the same when I excercise vs when I dont so ususally have a deficit or somewhat of one and sometimes I splurg and eat a bowl of ice cream and cookies been this way for over a year now and im still at the same weight. And same intensity of excersise.0
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Side- thanks for all those links.
Glad I am not alone in thinking his claims and conclusions seem pretty... odd. I have no idea why so many people recommended his book.0 -
Side- thanks for all those links.
Glad I am not alone in thinking his claims and conclusions seem pretty... odd. I have no idea why so many people recommended his book.
I would recommend reading other information on the websites I linked as well. In fact:
www.weightology.net
www.bodyrecomposition.com
www.body-improvements.com
www.alanaragon.com
The above are excellent sources without any alarmism, and there's plenty of free articles to browse through.0 -
Side- thanks for all those links.
Glad I am not alone in thinking his claims and conclusions seem pretty... odd. I have no idea why so many people recommended his book.
Because people want to believe that "they" got it wrong. People want to be among a small group that sees the true light while the masses of lemmings and sheep cluelessly follow futile directions from their overlords. It props up their ego and makes them feel good about themselves, something that a lot of overweight people have an issue with.0 -
Also again only applying what I read in the first post if those claims were in fact true. In pretty much every industrialized nation the conclusion would be there would be no skinny people everyone would be fat.0
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Why only industrialized nations. If carbs are what cause people to get fat I don't think a macronutrient can identify nations let alone industrialized ones. j/kAlso again only applying what I read in the first post if those claims were in fact true. In pretty much every industrialized nation the conclusion would be there would be no skinny people everyone would be fat.0 -
I was trying to cut out 3rd world nations where starvation is a issue.0
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It's not about calories it's about carbs, at least that's what taubes alludes to.I was trying to cut out 3rd world nations where starvation is a issue.0 -
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Also again only applying what I read in the first post if those claims were in fact true. In pretty much every industrialized nation the conclusion would be there would be no skinny people everyone would be fat.
I find Taubes' argument more believable than conventional wisdom. The big problem with Taubes' argument is that there is too much evidence against it, at least the way he has worded it. If you read some of the other pro-low carb bloggers and researchers, most of them don't fully accept Taubes' viewpoints, but just parts of them.
Well right now we have an unprecedented obesity epidemic. Over 30% of Americans are obese, and within the next 18 years that number is projected to hit 42%. That right there is pretty significant. Now people constantly site sedentary lifestyle as a main culprit, but this problem largely began around 1980, way before video games were that popular and before the internet even existed. Most people didn't know what the internet was until probably mid 1990s. Plus there is little evidence that exercise makes that much difference in managing weight.
Then of course is the evidence that body fat storage is highly regulated by the body. So I find it hard to believe that we are really mentally in that much control over our calorie intake. And with that, I question why 30 years ago many people had control over their calorie intake, but now so many people don't. Is there some outbreak of mental weakness going around or could it be our food supply is affecting our bodies to make us overeat?0 -
I am all for cutting back on carbs. I try to keep mine relatively low and focus on more protein... but I don't think whole grains are going to make me fat. Sugar, ice cream and brownies outside of moderation will!
What is the difference though? When they break down, it all becomes glucose anyways?
What makes whole grain a healthier carbohydrate than a tablespoon of pure sugar?0 -
I am all for cutting back on carbs. I try to keep mine relatively low and focus on more protein... but I don't think whole grains are going to make me fat. Sugar, ice cream and brownies outside of moderation will!
What is the difference though? When they break down, it all becomes glucose anyways?
What makes whole grain a healthier carbohydrate than a tablespoon of pure sugar?
That's exactly it, once they are broken down there really is no difference.0 -
This is one way of looking at it, and to me, it's looking for confirmation that there is some vodoo happening that's making people fat and that vodoo is carbs apparently. First of all exercise will never catch up to a bad diet. If someone has been sedentary most of their lives, introducing it to help with weight loss probably isn't going to get them very far as opposed to someone that has exercise as a foundation in their lives, or changing just their diet. There are just more people now living a sedentary lifestyle due to the changind dynamics of the basic family unit.......lifestyle starts at birth. I wonder how many reasons why people might overeat......I'm sure carbs will be included in that long list.Also again only applying what I read in the first post if those claims were in fact true. In pretty much every industrialized nation the conclusion would be there would be no skinny people everyone would be fat.
I find Taubes' argument more believable than conventional wisdom. The big problem with Taubes' argument is that there is too much evidence against it, at least the way he has worded it. If you read some of the other pro-low carb bloggers and researchers, most of them don't fully accept Taubes' viewpoints, but just parts of them.
Well right now we have an unprecedented obesity epidemic. Over 30% of Americans are obese, and within the next 18 years that number is projected to hit 42%. That right there is pretty significant. Now people constantly site sedentary lifestyle as a main culprit, but this problem largely began around 1980, way before video games were that popular and before the internet even existed. Most people didn't know what the internet was until probably mid 1990s. Plus there is little evidence that exercise makes that much difference in managing weight.
Then of course is the evidence that body fat storage is highly regulated by the body. So I find it hard to believe that we are really mentally in that much control over our calorie intake. And with that, I question why 30 years ago many people had control over their calorie intake, but now so many people don't. Is there some outbreak of mental weakness going around or could it be our food supply is affecting our bodies to make us overeat?0 -
If you want a really good read on "why we get fat" try Fat: The Story of My Life with My Body, by Jean Braithwaite. Brilliant, and a very absorbing narrative, too. If you are a 50 Shades of Grey kind of person, you will like the naughty parts.0
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I dont know go back 30 years look at our diet compared to our physically activity level. I was born in 68 so when I was preteen I would ride my bike over to a friends house a mile or two away we would play in the barn/build forts in the woods as long as I was home by night fall all was well. And this was before take out, fast food all over the place. Nowadays its have mom or dad drive me over to a friends house order pizza have icecream and play xbox. We and our children eat like crap and live a seditary lifestyle thats whe generally speaking weve gotton fatter. Maybe im too simple. I still eat too much carbs sometimes Ill have 4 or 6 cookies, a bowl of ice cream hell even chineese take out but thats a few times a month. It used to be a few times a week.. But I excercise on a regular bases and pretty much eliminate all fast food. I try to eat 80 to 90 percent clean and ive lost about 85lbs and kept it off. It has worked so far for me.0
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