NYC Mayor Bloomburg bans large sodas

What's your opinion on Mayor Bloomburg banning the sale of soda drings over 16 onces? Should the government be allowed to control what we put in our mouths?
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  • love2cycle
    love2cycle Posts: 448 Member
    I just heard about this today, and think it is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS! Oh please, does the government have to inflict itself into every aspect of a person's life? My son just recently visited New York City, and his girlfriend took a picture of him drinking out of a 2 Liter! Can the mayor stop that as well?
  • longhaul64
    longhaul64 Posts: 124
    The government is becoming more intrusive each day. Does anyone remember "free will". It was my choice to stuff my
    face and become this heavy. Now it is my choice to get healthy. Personal responsibility has become a thing of the past.
    WAKE UP AMERICA!
  • placeboaddiction
    placeboaddiction Posts: 451 Member
    I don't care about political parties.

    This is another personal freedom lost. It should be up to the establishment on what drink sizes they sell. If it really is a problem, then let the establishment decide to not sell more than 16 oz. sodas. Just like it should be up to the establishment to allow or not allow smoking. These laws are frivolous, waste taxpayer money, and treat us like kids.

    But, he is addressing the issue of obesity. What are your thoughts on ways to prevent at a city level? I don't believe limiting soda size will do it, but I'd just do anti-obesity campaigns, like they did the smokers. Treat it the same. Its easy to ***** and complain about this stuff, but coming up with solutions is always tough. I have already shot my anti-obesity campaign in my head 50 ways, lol.
  • Railr0aderTony
    Railr0aderTony Posts: 6,803 Member
    The government is becoming more intrusive each day. Does anyone remember "free will". It was my choice to stuff my
    face and become this heavy. Now it is my choice to get healthy. Personal responsibility has become a thing of the past.
    WAKE UP AMERICA!

    Amen L.H. my feelings exactly
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
    I don't care about political parties.

    This is another personal freedom lost. It should be up to the establishment on what drink sizes they sell. If it really is a problem, then let the establishment decide to not sell more than 16 oz. sodas. Just like it should be up to the establishment to allow or not allow smoking. These laws are frivolous, waste taxpayer money, and treat us like kids.

    But, he is addressing the issue of obesity. What are your thoughts on ways to prevent at a city level? I don't believe limiting soda size will do it, but I'd just do anti-obesity campaigns, like they did the smokers. Treat it the same. Its easy to ***** and complain about this stuff, but coming up with solutions is always tough. I have already shot my anti-obesity campaign in my head 50 ways, lol.

    I agree with the above.

    On a personal note, this issue really pisses me off.
  • Meggles63
    Meggles63 Posts: 916 Member
    This is the same guy who is issuing an official proclamation today for National Donut Day! Irony much?
  • Jules2Be
    Jules2Be Posts: 2,238 Member
    :yawn: for real.

    thats going to fix obesity? right.
  • GorillaNJ
    GorillaNJ Posts: 4,024 Member
    This is the same guy who is issuing an official proclamation today for National Donut Day! Irony much?

    Yeah, that was not missed by the local news this morning.
  • Fit4Evolution
    Fit4Evolution Posts: 375 Member
    this is a crazy thought! how about the jumbo kitkats , or chinese food or you cant have extra cheese on pizza , or burgers more than 1/4 pound , no large fries , ban cheesecake! the list will go on and on and on
  • Fit4Evolution
    Fit4Evolution Posts: 375 Member
    it will never happen , regulation of food. the soda companies already tried moving to 1 liter bottles and failed , he tried to tax the soda and failed , now he is trying to ban food! WTF why not ban sugar! and salt ! naaaa he cannot do that unless a substance is deemed harmful to humans and then its FDA's job makes me wonder if he owns any soda companies.. he is out of control..
  • Dipmom
    Dipmom Posts: 228 Member
    I would rather get big business out of our government. Didn't he try to get a soda tax passed, only to have it killed by lobbyists? I would be happy to pay a tax on all unnecessary items... like junk food and soda.
  • Fit4Evolution
    Fit4Evolution Posts: 375 Member
    I would rather get big business out of our government. Didn't he try to get a soda tax passed, only to have it killed by lobbyists? I would be happy to pay a tax on all unnecessary items... like junk food and soda.

    I wouldnt want to pay extra tax so i can eat my food! this will only jack prices up on all foods.. once we give him a little he will take a lot more go Gloomberg
  • evmc34
    evmc34 Posts: 3
    Why don't they just put true exercise back in the schools? Make those kids sweat. There is a huge difference in school gym classes now that what we did in the 70-80's.

    Sure its easier to blame others for our faults and failures but lets start teaching the kids how to live a healthy lifestyle.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,985 Member
    What's really stupid about this is that the aim is to lower sugar intake by banning sodas. But a milk shake in the same size (which is totally legal) has double the calories. Go figure.

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  • Shawneb66
    Shawneb66 Posts: 124
    I think it's insulting to the human race and I also think that it's none of his business what people drink...and how much! Someone needs to catch him with a BIG GULP!! ugh!!
  • AlyRoseNYC
    AlyRoseNYC Posts: 1,075 Member
    I would rather get big business out of our government. Didn't he try to get a soda tax passed, only to have it killed by lobbyists? I would be happy to pay a tax on all unnecessary items... like junk food and soda.

    It's not a bad idea if it were someplace else, but NYCers are heavily taxed as it is already.
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
    I think it's an excellent idea. There's an obesity epidemic in the United States and children are going to be the chief victims. Anything that can be done to make obviously unhealthy products less attractive is a good thing. In addition, the drinks are not banned, they simply are not allowed to be sold in gigantic sizes in certain establishments. You can still get a 32-ounce full-sugar drink at a convenience store. If you really 32 ounces of sugar in others, buy two drinks. But hey, doing that might actually make you think about whether you need to put that much sugar in your body.

    The same people who are complaining about this complained about the requirement that fast food chains be required to post calorie and nutritional information and that smoking -- which is CLEARLY HAZARDOUS -- be banned from public areas.
  • love2cycle
    love2cycle Posts: 448 Member
    Someone mentioned smoking bans, etc., yet another way of government interference. I really hate being around smoke, having grown up with both parents smoking. When I first heard of a "crack down" on smokers, I thought "yippee", but then later realized, "hey, that's not right." Stay out, government, let us decide.
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
    I think it's insulting to the human race and I also think that it's none of his business what people drink...and how much! Someone needs to catch him with a BIG GULP!! ugh!!

    Actually, it becomes everybody's business if we end up paying the medical expenses related to preventable obesity. And a lot of these people who drink these beverages are teenagers.
  • Dipmom
    Dipmom Posts: 228 Member
    Denmark started charging a "fat tax" a few months ago. It hasn't affected the prices on any of the normal groceries - just the fatty foods. Why should we pay tax on alcohol and cigarettes? Isn't soda damaging too? At some point the tax payer is going to pick up the tab for the obesity epidemic . It's like people who want to drive a big car having to spend more on gas. If people want to guzzle gallons of soda, it shouldn't be illegal...but they should pay for it.
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
    Someone mentioned smoking bans, etc., yet another way of government interference. I really hate being around smoke, having grown up with both parents smoking. When I first heard of a "crack down" on smokers, I thought "yippee", but then later realized, "hey, that's not right." Stay out, government, let us decide.

    The problem is they WEREN'T deciding, despite all the negative evidence. My parents smoked, although they eventually quit. I never did because I was raised not to and the public health campaigns of the time were pretty effective. I have a right not to be required to inhale second-hand smoke. There's nothing defensible about smoking in a public place, any more than you can defend your right to use heroin or crack. It's indisputably unhealthy.

    Many private apartment buildings have enforced no-smoking bans because smoking is unhealthy. Or some require smokers to install special filters so that their smoke does not affect others. Sometimes rules and regs create attitudinal changes.

    When a certain percentage of the population engages in demonstrably unhealthy behaviors that adversely affect others (second-hand smoke, increased healthcare costs that burden us all) the government has to act when persuasion doesn't work. It's been known for over 50 years smoking is dangerous.

    Food is a more difficult issue, because we must eat. But these ginormous sugary drinks are empty calories. Sure, one or two a year won't hurt you, but I imagine the research shows that some people are consuming these drinks in large amounts without thought and it's piling on the pounds.
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
    Denmark started charging a "fat tax" a few months ago. It hasn't affected the prices on any of the normal groceries - just the fatty foods. Why should we pay tax on alcohol and cigarettes? Isn't soda damaging too? At some point the tax payer is going to pick up the tab for the obesity epidemic . It's like people who want to drive a big car having to spend more on gas. If people want to guzzle gallons of soda, it shouldn't be illegal...but they should pay for it.

    It's an interesting approach, but it favors people who are economically advantaged, who will always be able to indulge. You could argue that making people buy two 16-ounce drinks, which presumably would be more expensive than one 32-ounce drink, is effectively a tax.



    As for gas-guzzling, people have been talking about the need to reduce energy use for at least 40 years. Nothing (well, very little) happens. People who have a bizarre sense of entitlement to drive a fuel-wasting car think, "Let's find another part of the planet to drill."

    Attitudes have to change. When they don't, the government has to step in. I'm talking about clearly unhealthy behaviors.
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
    Here's an excerpt of a New York Times story summarizing the proposal:


    New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    New York City plans to enact a far-reaching ban on the sale of large sodas and other sugary drinks at restaurants, movie theaters and street carts, in the most ambitious effort yet by the Bloomberg administration to combat rising obesity.

    The proposed ban would affect virtually the entire menu of popular sugary drinks found in delis, fast-food franchises and even sports arenas, from energy drinks to pre-sweetened iced teas. The sale of any cup or bottle of sweetened drink larger than 16 fluid ounces — about the size of a medium coffee, and smaller than a common soda bottle — would be prohibited under the first-in-the-nation plan, which could take effect as soon as next March.

    The measure would not apply to diet sodas, fruit juices, dairy-based drinks like milkshakes, or alcoholic beverages; it would not extend to beverages sold in grocery stores or convenience stores.

    “Obesity is a nationwide problem, and all over the United States, public health officials are wringing their hands saying, ‘Oh, this is terrible,’ ” Mr. Bloomberg said in an interview on Wednesday in City Hall’s sprawling Governor’s Room.

    “New York City is not about wringing your hands; it’s about doing something,” he said. “I think that’s what the public wants the mayor to do.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/31/nyregion/bloomberg-plans-a-ban-on-large-sugared-drinks.html
  • Lissakaye81
    Lissakaye81 Posts: 224 Member
    So people will just buy 2, or 3. And I wonder how much the soda companies will jack up the price on a single drink now that people will have to buy a few more to get the same amount.
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
    The government is becoming more intrusive each day. Does anyone remember "free will". It was my choice to stuff my
    face and become this heavy. Now it is my choice to get healthy. Personal responsibility has become a thing of the past.
    WAKE UP AMERICA!

    "Personality Responsibility"? Nice sound, but it doesn't work for many people. In part because they live in a cultural environment that makes it easy to get overweight. Banning HUGE sugary drinks in certain areas is a start, although I think it's largely symbolic. Maybe one day there will be government supported gyms and eating programs for people who need them.
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
    So people will just buy 2, or 3. And I wonder how much the soda companies will jack up the price on a single drink now that people will have to buy a few more to get the same amount.

    The Mayor said on The Today Show this morning that the hope is that some people will say, "Do I really need another 16-ounce cup of this stuff?"

    Don't forget these are not diet drinks. They're the full sugar version.
  • cristaine
    cristaine Posts: 87
    So, instead of educating people and teaching responsibility we spoon feed people forced choices? Insanity. No wonder there is such a lack of personal responsibility in general these days.

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    Seriously, the calories in a pop (soda) with syrup/sugar aren't insignificant and do nothing special for your health in a good way, but to just pick one thing to ban while avoiding the hard fact that we have created a society of over-consumption???

    Irresponsible.
  • Shawneb66
    Shawneb66 Posts: 124
    Where are the parents of these teenagers? Come on... The government is involved way too much already! Let's all try to take responsibility for ourselves for a change!
  • maddymama
    maddymama Posts: 1,183 Member
    So, if I read our local article about the proposal correctly, it would still allow sales of large containers of diet drinks, am I right? So let's legalize the chemically bad stuff that we aren't exactly sure of how bad it is for us and for our environment, but ban the stuff our body can process, even if it is bad for us?
    I think it's ridiculous that the drinks are supersized to the size that they are, but I think it's even more ridiculous that people buy and drink that much soda. I have MAYBE one soda every year or two.

    I might get flamed for this thought, but here it is. I think the solution lies in making people take responsiblity for themselves. If you have health issues from morbid obesity then it shold not be subsidized by our government or our health insurance companies. It should come out of your own pocket. NOW, if you can document that you are progressing towards health (lowering your weight, exercising, focusing on getting healthier) then I think the companies should help subsidize medical costs. If people are made aware of the direct consequences of their actions AND held accountable (which is sorely lacking in our society at large today) them maybe we can see some progress towards getting our nation healthier. BUT I also think that nickle and diming the issue won't help- making large sodas illegal will most likely not work.