dropping body Fat - macros?

xTwK

I like how you move the goalposts. You used the words "terrible shape". Both those guys are in good shape for their age and fitness goals (Lyle is a skater - look at Apolo Ohno and try to tell me how jacked he is).


Judging someone's level of knowledge based on their physique is nonsense anyway. Like another poster pointed out, if you want to judge knowledge based on physique look at the clients, not the trainer.


By your rationale, nobody should take weightlifting advice from this guy:

You can keep taking advice from people with no results, I'll continue to take advice from people in great shape and continue to be a shining example of that myself. :happy:

Acg67

@Acg, I have bad news for you. Your buddy RonSwanson66 is gone.

More bad news for the rest of forum as they lost a very knowledgeable guy vs some of the nonsense that is posted here

LesterBlackstone

I like how you move the goalposts. You used the words "terrible shape". Both those guys are in good shape for their age and fitness goals (Lyle is a skater - look at Apolo Ohno and try to tell me how jacked he is).


Judging someone's level of knowledge based on their physique is nonsense anyway. Like another poster pointed out, if you want to judge knowledge based on physique look at the clients, not the trainer.


By your rationale, nobody should take weightlifting advice from this guy:

Awww so you're one of those people who take everything at face value, I get it. If you can look at them and tell me that they're in great shape then you're lying to yourself. It's funny how you talk about their fitness goals also, as if you actually know what their goals are. LOL

When someone posts about their skating experience on their website and forum, it's a pretty good bet that the person is a speed skater.

You can keep taking advice from fat people with no results, I'll continue to take advice from people in great shape and continue to be a shining example of that myself. :happy:

LOL. Tell that to this guy:




You go ahead and base your opinions on steroids and airbrushing. I'll take actual knowledge. KTHXBYE

Acg67

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYHAR8Xzsyo

grinch031

The polygraph is still garbage and no discussion about it being an effective tool can be taken seriously.

HAHAHAHAHA okay if you say so, since your opinion matters and everything. I guess professional natural bodybuilders must be on gear then since international spies can pass the test and because it's not used in courtroom decisions. Thanks for the good laugh :laugh:

And this coming from someone who would choose broscience over real science.

And anybody who is comfortable lying can pass one.

xTwK

The polygraph is still garbage and no discussion about it being an effective tool can be taken seriously.

HAHAHAHAHA okay if you say so, since your opinion matters and everything. I guess professional natural bodybuilders must be on gear then since international spies can pass the test and because it's not used in courtroom decisions. Thanks for the good laugh :laugh:

And this coming from someone who would choose broscience over real science.

And anybody who is comfortable lying can pass one.

How is "real science" working out for you over there when you can't even handle uploading a pic of yourself? Seems like broscience has worked pretty well for me

grinch031

The polygraph is still garbage and no discussion about it being an effective tool can be taken seriously.

HAHAHAHAHA okay if you say so, since your opinion matters and everything. I guess professional natural bodybuilders must be on gear then since international spies can pass the test and because it's not used in courtroom decisions. Thanks for the good laugh :laugh:

And this coming from someone who would choose broscience over real science.

And anybody who is comfortable lying can pass one.

How is "real science" working out for you over there when you can't even handle uploading a pic of yourself? Seems like broscience has worked pretty well for me

I'm an endurance athlete who isn't so focused on how I look, but my performance. Back when I was in high school, I played football and I followed the same strength training program as the other teammates. Some of them were benching 300-350, while I capped out at 250. Probably because a lot of this program was based on broscience. Some of the more genetically gifted got much stronger and others didn't. If I were to focus on building muscle, I'd most certainly follow a more scientific approach knowing what I know about my own genetics.

crisanderson27

Does anyone else wish they could unsubscribe to a thread they posted in?

Josie_lifting_cats

Does anyone else wish they could unsubscribe to a thread they posted in?

Not only that, but I wish that all the nearly naked man trolls would go away.

jenniejengin

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grinch031

@Acg, I have bad news for you. Your buddy RonSwanson66 is gone.

More bad news for the rest of forum as they lost a very knowledgeable guy vs some of the nonsense that is posted here

Was he banned or something? Problem was RonSwanson had very poor communication skills so much of his good knowledge was probably ignored.

Sarauk2sf

Does anyone else wish they could unsubscribe to a thread they posted in?

Not only that, but I wish that all the nearly naked man trolls would go away.

Actually, the one showing the most skin (which I have absolutely no problem with at all) is the one with the most knowledge on this thread and is in no way a troll.

kellylara93

I tried

Protein 50%
Fat 35%
Carbs 15%

and went from 27.6% BF to 24% in 2 weeks, with no lifting, and hardly any cardio..

grinch031

I'm saying I would follow a scientific approach if my goal was to build muscle and look good. Since that is not my goal, showing a picture of me with my 13" biceps isn't going to make any difference.

Broscience may work for some, but if it turns out to be the optimal method than its likely by chance. Most people would probably see more optimal results if they followed an approach with more scientific backing.

ChasingSweatandTears

I actually can't tell ANYTHING from your profile picture dude. I see one arm, at an angle. And the rest of your photos aren't visible to anyone other than your friends. Some people don't want an actual profile picture for reasons that have nothing to do with results or the lack thereof. It's called privacy.

ishtar13

55% fat sounds like a recipe for disaster, I would think that if your going to follow a specific macro agenda you would want one thats sustainable. That much fat daily would be detrimental to your health in the long term.

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That much fat is satiating and it's complete mythology that high fat, moderate protein, low carb diets are detrimental to cholesterol and blood pressure profiles. On the contrary, they result in the best cholesterol and blood pressure profiles. Fat is harmless in the absence of carbohydrates. Science is clear in that regard.

Unless you have gallbladder issues.

Since my gallbladder was removed, if I ate that much fat, I'd live on the toilet.

Josie_lifting_cats

Does anyone else wish they could unsubscribe to a thread they posted in?

Not only that, but I wish that all the nearly naked man trolls would go away.

Actually, the one showing the most skin (which I have absolutely no problem with at all) is the one with the most knowledge on this thread and is in no way a troll.

It's amazing that many of them know more than the entire medical community combined.

It's important to keep in mind that we know very little about the body in general, and what works for one many not and will not work for everyone. So I say to the original poster - trial and error. Formulate a plan, be patient, adjust periodically as needed.

grinch031

I actually can't tell ANYTHING from your profile picture dude. I see one arm, at an angle. And the rest of your photos aren't visible to anyone other than your friends. Some people don't want an actual profile picture for reasons that have nothing to do with results or the lack thereof. It's called privacy.

The last thing I need is for future employers to turn me down for a job because they don't like my opinion about diet and nutrition.

sleepytexan

My macros are 55% fat, 30% protein, and 15% carbohydrates. On December 3, 2011, I was 6'0", 300 lbs. and 35.4% body fat. As of this morning, 6 months later, I'm 6'0", 213, and 18.7% body fat. Within the next three months, I'll be 185 lbs. and under 12% body fat, without any question.

As for exercise, I walk 3 miles each day at a leisurely pace, 3.0 to 3.5 mph. Six days a week, I strength train, doing only the major lifts: deadlifts and squats, along with pushups, dips, and pullups.

My average blood pressure over the last two months, sample size of 32, is 110/70, with a resting heart rate of 61. Six months ago, it was 140/85, with a resting heart rate of 95.

I'm 46-years old.

For body composition, science is overwhelmingly on the side of low carbohydrate, high fat, moderate protein diets: just ask the President of the American Society of Bariatric Physicians.

55% Fats? That's ridiculous...

You were morbidly obese, that's why you lost weight so fast. Don't expect the last 20 to be as easy as the first 20 pounds you lost...

that's not so ridiculous -- check out the Paleo and Primal groups. Lots of people with those macros.

emgawne

I actually do a 40/30/30. So my carbs are my highest. I do heavy lifting, and average around 1 g of protein per body weight.

This.

xTwK

I'm saying I would follow a scientific approach if my goal was to build muscle and look good. Since that is not my goal, showing a picture of me with my 13" biceps isn't going to make any difference.

Broscience may work for some, but if it turns out to be the optimal method than its likely by chance. Most people would probably see more optimal results if they followed an approach with more scientific backing.

This website isn't about impressing anyone, you shouldn't have insecurities about showing yourself because you feel not muscular enough or whatever the case may be...

All I'm trying to say is that you should look at both sides before you get defensive and discredit something. Like I said, I use science when necessary and broscience when proven. Plus, you're on MFP.... All this website is is 95% misinformation that's given out by people who have no clue what they're talking about and further damaging peoples health and goals. So if you want to have scientific theory discussions I think you're on the wrong website; this website is about half truths with a little bit of facts every now and then.

Drevious

Totally do-able! Just replace your carbs with healthier whole grain choices. Have you tried quinoa? What about brown rice?

Also, I found that the right food combinations help:

Meat+ vegetables=YES
OR
Carbohydrates + vegetables=YES

Meat+Carbs=NO

No more meat and carbs together in the same meal!!! Don't pass this off as totally crazy. I have a nutritionist that I see once a month (an old Indian man that has been practicing for over 40 years). It may be hard at first but when you follow this rule, everything else gets easier!

grinch031

I'm saying I would follow a scientific approach if my goal was to build muscle and look good. Since that is not my goal, showing a picture of me with my 13" biceps isn't going to make any difference.

Broscience may work for some, but if it turns out to be the optimal method than its likely by chance. Most people would probably see more optimal results if they followed an approach with more scientific backing.

This website isn't about impressing anyone, you shouldn't have insecurities about showing yourself because you feel not muscular enough or whatever the case may be...

All I'm trying to say is that you should look at both sides before you get defensive and discredit something. Like I said, I use science when necessary and broscience when proven. Plus, you're on MFP.... All this website is is 95% misinformation that's given out by people who have no clue what they're talking about and further damaging peoples health and goals. So if you want to have scientific theory discussions I think you're on the wrong website; this website is about half truths with a little bit of facts every now and then.

Its not about insecurities with the way I look, its simply about privacy. It just so happens my picture would be irrelevant to this discussion anyways because I couldn't use my picture to back up any particular claims.

Can't say I disagree with the 2nd paragraph other than simply I would try broscience if it was experimental and there wasn't enough research indicating either way as to whether it works. But if someone who is ripped says they swear by something and all the evidence says its false, I'm not going to take their advice.

xTwK

Its not about insecurities with the way I look, its simply about privacy. It just so happens my picture would be irrelevant to this discussion anyways because I couldn't use my picture to back up any particular claims.

Can't say I disagree with the 2nd paragraph other than simply I would try broscience if it was experimental and there wasn't enough research indicating either way as to whether it works. But if someone who is ripped says they swear by something and all the evidence says its false, I'm not going to take their advice.

Come on now... Obviously if someone is making a claim and it's more than obvious to be false I'm not going to buy into what they say. Just like if someone in the fitness industry is sponsored by a company but also swears by their products, I don't take that at face value either because obviously they're trying to make money. I may come off as a jerk and a know-it-all myself, but I'm not gullible enough to believe nonsense. That's why I said i believe in proven broscience, I don't waste my time with most broscience out there unless there's some kind of factual backing or proven results from more than one source. Most people claim something to be broscience regardless, unless there's a link you can show them that scientifically backs your argument you're going to have someone call it broscience.

aalina_22

You definitely need a diet plan when dropping body fat but don't overdo it and to lose body fat we must change our eating habits.

ahamm002

This is the problem.....I can pick pretty much any claim I'd like to make and find a peer reviewed study that will support it.

That doesn't make it right. Yet so many people on here believe it

Fair enough. Most studies in nutrition are riddled with confounders. But what else do we have to go on?

Acg67

You fail to grasp the concept of the burden of proof is on the claim maker, once you substantiate the point of contention by all means ask for evidence to the contrary

My bad should have said the original claim maker.

Yeah, b/c recommending that someone get more sleep is so overly complicated. And who would want to tell people to eat healthier foods? Definitely recipes for failure in weight loss!

And are either a requirement for weight loss?

Goal_Seeker_1988

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mlewon

With that much protein you can actually develop a bone calcium deficiency when a diet like that is kept up for a long time (we just went over it in my nutrition class.). Just keep a heads up.

Acg67

With that much protein you can actually develop a bone calcium deficiency when a diet like that is kept up for a long time (we just went over it in my nutrition class.). Just keep a heads up.

High-Protein Weight Loss Diets and Purported Adverse Effects: Where is the Evidence? Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 2004, 1:45-51 doi:10.1186/1550-2783-1-1-45
http://www.jissn.com/content/1/1/45#B4

Indeed, the recent study Dawson-Hughes et al. did not confirm the perception that increased dietary protein results in urinary calcium loss.[36] According to Dawson-Hughes et al., "Theconstellation of findings that meat supplements containing 55 g/d protein, when exchanged for carbohydrate did not significantlyincrease urinary calcium excretion and were associated withhigher levels of serum IGF-I and lower levels of the bone resorption marker, N-telopeptide, together with a lack of significant correlationof urinary N-telopeptide with urinary calcium excretion in thehigh protein group (in contrast to the low protein) point tothe possibility that higher meat intake may potentially improvebone mass in many older men and women."

Finally, the cross-cultural and population studies that showed a positive association between animal-protein intake and hip fracture risk did not consider other lifestyle or dietary factors that may protect or increase the risk of fracture.[35] It is of some interest that the author of the most cited paper favoring the earlier hypothesis that high-protein intake promotes osteoporosis no longer believes that protein is harmful to bone.[34] In fact, he concluded that the balance of the evidence seems to indicate the opposite.