Poly and Moly unsaturated fats
DEkstein65
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I researched and couldn't figure out why poly and moly unsaturated fats are bad for my diet. I understand the relationship between trans fats and health but everything I read just talked about what they were and how they were constructed, not how they impact your health. Can I get pointed to a definition that would make sense to someone without a medical degree?
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They aren't bad. If you understand how trans fats are bad, think of these fats doing the opposite. They raise the good and lower the bad. I would seriously question whatever source you heard this from.0
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According to the daily nutrition goals on MFP I should have 0 grams per day of poly, moly, and trans fats. That's why I am a little concerned. What I read seemed to point to the poly and moly as neccesary.0
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The android app says that I should be getting 20 of each.0
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MFP is wrong about everything.According to the daily nutrition goals on MFP I should have 0 grams per day of poly, moly, and trans fats. That's why I am a little concerned. What I read seemed to point to the poly and moly as neccesary.0 -
they are the good fats...they are important for your brain & nervous system!
the only "bad" from what I read is that the calories add up but IIFYM who cares0 -
Poly unsaturated and mono unsaturated fats are suppoed to be better for you than saturated fat.
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/unsaturatedfat.html is fairly easy to understand.0 -
MFP is wrong about everything.According to the daily nutrition goals on MFP I should have 0 grams per day of poly, moly, and trans fats. That's why I am a little concerned. What I read seemed to point to the poly and moly as neccesary.
If you believe this, why are you here?
Poly & Moly are more about your cholesterol than fat, directly speaking. Your focus should be more on Fat, transfat, Protein & Carbs..0 -
I use MFP as a calorie/macronutrient tracker, not for their cookie-cutter recommendations.
MFP is wrong about everything.According to the daily nutrition goals on MFP I should have 0 grams per day of poly, moly, and trans fats. That's why I am a little concerned. What I read seemed to point to the poly and moly as neccesary.
If you believe this, why are you here?
Trans-fat is also fat.Poly & Moly are more about your cholesterol than fat, directly speaking. Your focus should be more on Fat, transfat, Protein & Carbs..0 -
Poly and trans I get, but what are moly fats?0
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Poly and mono unsaturated fats are good for you. You want the majority of your dietary fat intake to come from these types of fats.0
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He probably meant monounsaturated fats.Poly and trans I get, but what are moly fats?
Either that or Holy Moly unsaturated fats.0 -
According to the daily nutrition goals on MFP I should have 0 grams per day of poly, moly, and trans fats. That's why I am a little concerned. What I read seemed to point to the poly and moly as neccesary.
I understand why you look at it that way but it's not the case at all. Both of those types of fat are good for you (in the proper ratios, of course). It's just there is no amount that anyone has agreed you should get in your daily diet. So the 0 isn't there to tell you how much you should have. It's just there so if you want to track that category (I do), then you can see it easily. On the app, anyway. For some reason my apps track things better than the website.0 -
I wouldn't necessarily say they are "better" fat. They're called essential fats, because your body can't synthesize them, but your body requires saturated fats just as much as unsaturated fats. Your dietary fat should be roughly equal amounts of each; saturated, monounsaturated and polyunsaturated, however if you don't get any saturated fat in your diet, your body will synthesize what it needs from something else when it needs to.Poly unsaturated and mono unsaturated fats are suppoed to be better for you than saturated fat.
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/unsaturatedfat.html is fairly easy to understand.
Regarding trans fat; it's nearly impossible to avoid trans fats altogether if you eat meat. Trans fat is naturally occuring in meat, but in trace amounts only. The trans fat you should avoid altogether is the non-naturally occuring hydrogenated vegetable oil junk.0 -
Monounsaturated fats are not essential
I wouldn't necessarily say they are "better" fat. They're called essential fats, because your body can't synthesize themPoly unsaturated and mono unsaturated fats are suppoed to be better for you than saturated fat.
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/unsaturatedfat.html is fairly easy to understand.
Why?Your dietary fat should be roughly equal amounts of each; saturated, monounsaturated and polyunsaturated,0 -
http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/good-fats-bad-fats
Monounsaturated fats are not essential
I wouldn't necessarily say they are "better" fat. They're called essential fats, because your body can't synthesize themPoly unsaturated and mono unsaturated fats are suppoed to be better for you than saturated fat.
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/fat/unsaturatedfat.html is fairly easy to understand.
Why?Your dietary fat should be roughly equal amounts of each; saturated, monounsaturated and polyunsaturated,0 -
Where in your link do they support what you said?0
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What, that saturated fat isn't the devil?Where in your link do they support what you said?0 -
No, that's not what you said. You said "your dietary fat should be roughly equal amounts of saturated, monounsaturated, and polyunsaturated" fats. Where in your link do they support your statement?
What, that saturated fat isn't the devil?Where in your link do they support what you said?0 -
Page 2 gives example calorie amounts, total fat amounts and saturated fat amounts.
No, that's not what you said. You said "your dietary fat should be roughly equal amounts of saturated, monounsaturated, and polyunsaturated" fats. Where in your link do they support your statement?
What, that saturated fat isn't the devil?Where in your link do they support what you said?
Maybe if you made it clear what exactly you are trying to argue about, I could argue back more efficiently. Are you trying to debate that there is any need at all for conditionally essential fatty acids or that saturated fat is not needed at all? I don't quite understand.0 -
Page 2 doesn't really say what you recommended - I still don't understand how you arrived at your recommendation.
Page 2 gives example calorie amounts, total fat amounts and saturated fat amounts.
No, that's not what you said. You said "your dietary fat should be roughly equal amounts of saturated, monounsaturated, and polyunsaturated" fats. Where in your link do they support your statement?
What, that saturated fat isn't the devil?Where in your link do they support what you said?
Not sure how you got the impression that I was arguing with you. All I did was ask you a question (along with pointing out that monounsaturated fats are not essential).Maybe if you made it clear what exactly you are trying to argue about, I could argue back more efficiently. Are you trying to debate that there is any need at all for conditionally essential fatty acids or that saturated fat is not needed at all? I don't quite understand.0 -
Ok. As for the recommendation:
Page 2 doesn't really say what you recommended - I still don't understand how you arrived at your recommendation.
Page 2 gives example calorie amounts, total fat amounts and saturated fat amounts.
No, that's not what you said. You said "your dietary fat should be roughly equal amounts of saturated, monounsaturated, and polyunsaturated" fats. Where in your link do they support your statement?
What, that saturated fat isn't the devil?Where in your link do they support what you said?
Not sure how you got the impression that I was arguing with you. All I did was ask you a question (along with pointing out that monounsaturated fats are not essential).Maybe if you made it clear what exactly you are trying to argue about, I could argue back more efficiently. Are you trying to debate that there is any need at all for conditionally essential fatty acids or that saturated fat is not needed at all? I don't quite understand.
The word 'roughly' doesn't mean get out the calculator and start counting grams of every fatty acid you eat. It's just 'easier' if you get somewhere around a third of your fats from saturated fat and the majority of your fat from polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat and not have to worry about it.
It looks like you got so butthurt by this part: "Your dietary fat should be roughly equal amounts of each; saturated, monounsaturated and polyunsaturated," that you didn't read this part: "however if you don't get any saturated fat in your diet, your body will synthesize what it needs from something else when it needs to.". That means, no, my 'recommendation', as you put it, is not the word of god.
As for the monounsaturated fats:
I was just making a blanket statement that 'essential fats' are called such because they can't be synthesized. I didn't say that monounsaturated fat specifically, because I was actually referring to the polyunsaturated fats, however certain saturated and monounsaturated fatty acids are considered 'conditionally essential' fatty acids.0 -
Overly defensive much? All I did was ask you for your source. I'd hate to see how you react when someone does actually argue with you (which I'll do now).It looks like you got so butthurt by this part
Are you saying it was not a recommendation?That means, no, my 'recommendation', as you put it, is not the word of god.
This sure does sound like a recommendation to me:
" Your dietary fat should be roughly equal amounts of each; saturated, monounsaturated and polyunsaturated"
Yes, I read it. But it's irrelevant to what I was asking you about, hence why I did not quote it.that you didn't read this part
Unfortunately, what you said above and what you originally said are not the same thing.It's just 'easier' if you get somewhere around a third of your fats from saturated fat and the majority of your fat from polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat and not have to worry about it
Really? Go read your post again.I didn't say that monounsaturated fat specifically, because I was actually referring to the polyunsaturated fats
Person says: "poly unsaturated and mono unsaturated fats are supposed to be better for you than saturated fat"
You say: " I wouldn't necessarily say they are "better" fat. They're called essential fats, because your body can't synthesize them, but your body requires saturated fats just as much as unsaturated fats".
If you were only referring to poly fats then you should have specified as such. You did not, so I clarified it for you. That's all that happened, relax.
That's great.however certain saturated and monounsaturated fatty acids are considered 'conditionally essential' fatty acids.0 -
Who are you calling defensive?? I'm not defensive! Do I sound defensive? How dare you call me defensive! (like that?) .Overly defensive much? All I did was ask you for your source. I'd hate to see how you react when someone does actually argue with you (which I'll do now).
I quoted recommendation, because you made it sound like I said you should get exactly one third of each every single day, no more, no less, which is not what I said.Are you saying it was not a recommendation?
This sure does sound like a recommendation to me:
" Your dietary fat should be roughly equal amounts of each; saturated, monounsaturated and polyunsaturated"
If I bake a pie and slice it into pieces, each piece representing a different classification of fatty acid, then, compared to the one piece of pie representing saturated fat, the rest would be considered the majority.
Unfortunately, what you said above and what you originally said are not the same thing.It's just 'easier' if you get somewhere around a third of your fats from saturated fat and the majority of your fat from polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat and not have to worry about it0 -
Why are you backpedaling on what you originally said? I'll quote it one last time for you:If I bake a pie and slice it into pieces, each piece representing a different classification of fatty acid, then, compared to the one piece of pie representing saturated fat, the rest would be considered the majority.
That means each part of the pie is roughly 1/3. Which is different than your revised statement (which could very well indicate about 33% saturated fat, 60% polyunsaturated fat, and 7% monounsaturated fat.. which is also equally silly). Do you see the distinction now? Not sure how much more simply I can spell it for you.Your dietary fat should be roughly equal amounts of each; saturated, monounsaturated and polyunsaturated
The bottom line is, based on your original recommendation, if I ingest about 75g of fat per day, I should ingest roughly 25g of fat from polyunsaturated fats. Which many would take to mean that they should consume roughly 25g of fish oil/day to reach meet that target (since it's the most cost-effective way to meet omega-3 intakes of such a high level). Which is overkill in most cases. Evidence shows that it can very well be detrimental (i.e. such a high dosage of w-3s can harm immune function). More doesn't always equal better.0 -
So stop beating around the bush and tell us what your recommendation would be. Keep in mind, the OP was asking for a simple solution that he can easily put into practice.
Why are you backpedaling on what you originally said? I'll quote it one last time for you:If I bake a pie and slice it into pieces, each piece representing a different classification of fatty acid, then, compared to the one piece of pie representing saturated fat, the rest would be considered the majority.
That means each part of the pie is roughly 1/3. Which is different than your revised statement (which could very well indicate about 33% saturated fat, 60% polyunsaturated fat, and 7% monounsaturated fat.. which is also equally silly). Do you see the distinction now? Not sure how much more simply I can spell it for you.Your dietary fat should be roughly equal amounts of each; saturated, monounsaturated and polyunsaturated
The bottom line is, based on your original recommendation, if I ingest about 75g of fat per day, I should ingest roughly 25g of fat from polyunsaturated fats. Which many would take to mean that they should consume roughly 25g of fish oil/day to reach meet that target (since it's the most cost-effective way to meet omega-3 intakes of such a high level). Which is overkill in most cases. Evidence shows that it can very well be detrimental (i.e. such a high dosage of w-3s can harm immune function). More doesn't always equal better.0 -
Right, so basically you pulled your recommendation out of thin air and can't provide any evidence to support it. That's all I wanted to know, thanks.
So stop beating around the bush and tell us what your recommendation would be.
Why are you backpedaling on what you originally said? I'll quote it one last time for you:If I bake a pie and slice it into pieces, each piece representing a different classification of fatty acid, then, compared to the one piece of pie representing saturated fat, the rest would be considered the majority.
That means each part of the pie is roughly 1/3. Which is different than your revised statement (which could very well indicate about 33% saturated fat, 60% polyunsaturated fat, and 7% monounsaturated fat.. which is also equally silly). Do you see the distinction now? Not sure how much more simply I can spell it for you.Your dietary fat should be roughly equal amounts of each; saturated, monounsaturated and polyunsaturated
The bottom line is, based on your original recommendation, if I ingest about 75g of fat per day, I should ingest roughly 25g of fat from polyunsaturated fats. Which many would take to mean that they should consume roughly 25g of fish oil/day to reach meet that target (since it's the most cost-effective way to meet omega-3 intakes of such a high level). Which is overkill in most cases. Evidence shows that it can very well be detrimental (i.e. such a high dosage of w-3s can harm immune function). More doesn't always equal better.
The problem with making things up is that it can be potentially harmful to others (as I alluded to in my previous post). Please try to refrain from doing so in the future.
The OP's question has already been answered. He never asked for any specific recommendations on fat intake. He asked why unsaturated fats are "bad", and multiple posters have already answered that question.Keep in mind, the OP was asking for a simple solution that he can easily put into practice.0 -
So you don't actually have a counterpoint, is what you're saying?
Right, so basically you pulled your recommendation out of thin air and can't provide any evidence to support it. That's all I wanted to know, thanks.
So stop beating around the bush and tell us what your recommendation would be.
Why are you backpedaling on what you originally said? I'll quote it one last time for you:If I bake a pie and slice it into pieces, each piece representing a different classification of fatty acid, then, compared to the one piece of pie representing saturated fat, the rest would be considered the majority.
That means each part of the pie is roughly 1/3. Which is different than your revised statement (which could very well indicate about 33% saturated fat, 60% polyunsaturated fat, and 7% monounsaturated fat.. which is also equally silly). Do you see the distinction now? Not sure how much more simply I can spell it for you.Your dietary fat should be roughly equal amounts of each; saturated, monounsaturated and polyunsaturated
The bottom line is, based on your original recommendation, if I ingest about 75g of fat per day, I should ingest roughly 25g of fat from polyunsaturated fats. Which many would take to mean that they should consume roughly 25g of fish oil/day to reach meet that target (since it's the most cost-effective way to meet omega-3 intakes of such a high level). Which is overkill in most cases. Evidence shows that it can very well be detrimental (i.e. such a high dosage of w-3s can harm immune function). More doesn't always equal better.
The problem with making things up is that it can be potentially harmful to others (as I alluded to in my previous post). Please try to refrain from doing so in the future.
The OP's question has already been answered. He never asked for any specific recommendations on fat intake. He asked why unsaturated fats are "bad", and multiple posters have already answered that question.Keep in mind, the OP was asking for a simple solution that he can easily put into practice.0 -
A counterpoint to what specifically?0
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You just said that if I get 60 grams of fat; 20 grams being unsaturated fat, 20 grams polyunsaturated fat, 20 grams of monounsaturated fat from food that I'll be harming myself, so what would you recommend?A counterpoint to what specifically?0 -
That's not exactly what I said.
You just said that if I get 60 grams of fat; 20 grams being unsaturated fat, 20 grams polyunsaturated fat, 20 grams of monounsaturated fat from food that I'll be harming myself, so what would you recommend?A counterpoint to what specifically?
Your recommendations (both original and revised) can imply an extremely high PUFA recommendation (for omega-3s specifically), which can be detrimental.
In terms of omega-3 dosage I would recommend around 10g of fish oil daily (assuming the individual is aspiring to improve their physique).
A typical fish oil capsule (1g) contains 300mg EPA and DHA (which is actually what is essential). There is a minimum and optimum level of EPA/DHA intake according to the AHA. The minimum level to reduce cardiac & all-cause mortality would be .5-1.8g per day of EPA & DHA (combined). In terms of fat loss, a slightly higher dose would be optimal (2-4g of EPA & DHA). This has been shown to effectively lower high triglyceride levels. Therefore, from a fat loss perspective, this translates into a range of 6-12g of fish oil, and would certainly be reasonable as a generic recommendation.
The reason I questioned your statement (which you apparently just made up) is because I've seen no scientific evidence to support going much higher than that. To the contrary, such a high omega-3 intake will due more harm than good (i.e. suppressing immune function).
Moreover, the AHA warns against taking more than 3g of EPA/DHA a day without medical supervision, due to increased risk for excessive bleeding in certain individuals. Particularly relevant for those on blood-thinning medication.
If you're asking what I would recommend in terms of overall fat intake, that would depend on the context (the individual and their goal).0
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