scary side of protein powder

SHBoss1673

i checked back with the doctor and he said that its called flimsy muscle because it can be lost quicker....idk...but I love the swimming pool comment! very classy

As far as I've ever heard, that's not true. Did he elaborate on why it's lost quicker? I'm calling bull$h1t on that one. I think he was just trying to sound smart. Not the first time I've seen a doctor try to meddle with nutrition. Doctors (by that I mean GP doctors), receive very little training in nutrition from most medical programs. Most receive 1 semester early on in Pre-med, and that's it. A few programs have stepped up their preventative medicine lessons, but not that many. There was a wide scale survey put out a few years ago on nutrition (I saw it in the New England Journal of Medicine, but I don't know which issue as I read it online) and the majority of doctors received a 60% or below. That shocked me big time. Not saying any one particular doctor is suspect, but when you make statements like "flimsy muscle", it throws up red flags in my mind. this is why I preach the virtues of registered dietitians (NOT nutritionists) as they go through extensive training and need to be certified and keep their registration up to date.

Azdak

i checked back with the doctor and he said that its called flimsy muscle because it can be lost quicker....idk...but I love the swimming pool comment! very classy

As far as I've ever heard, that's not true. Did he elaborate on why it's lost quicker? I'm calling bull$h1t on that one. I think he was just trying to sound smart. Not the first time I've seen a doctor try to meddle with nutrition. Doctors (by that I mean GP doctors), receive very little training in nutrition from most medical programs. Most receive 1 semester early on in Pre-med, and that's it. A few programs have stepped up their preventative medicine lessons, but not that many. There was a wide scale survey put out a few years ago on nutrition (I saw it in the New England Journal of Medicine, but I don't know which issue as I read it online) and the majority of doctors received a 60% or below. That shocked me big time. Not saying any one particular doctor is suspect, but when you make statements like "flimsy muscle", it throws up red flags in my mind. this is why I preach the virtues of registered dietitians (NOT nutritionists) as they go through extensive training and need to be certified and keep their registration up to date.

Often ran into the same problem with doctors re exercise, esp for cardiac patients when I used to run cardiac rehab programs.

The problem is not that doctors are not educated--it's that there is too much knowledge for any one person to absorb, no matter how brilliant. The importance of exercise and nutrition is being emphasized more as part of a medical practice, so many doctors are emphasizing these more, but I don't think they have any more training than before. Plus, our current system makes it virtually impossible for docs to effectively engage in detailed lifestyle counseling.

Personally, I don't want my doc to be an expert in exercise or nutrition. There are plenty of people out there who dedicate their professional lives just to those areas. I want him/her to be an expert in medical issues--I don't want him/her to overlook a dangerous infection, medication side effect, etc because he/she was up late reading the latest ACSM or NSCA journal. In my ideal world, he/she just needs to have the awareness to know what he doesn't know and how to find the referral slip to a dietitian or clinical exercise physiologist.

Obviously, I am exaggerating to make a point. It has always been a battle to have exercise professionals taken seriously by the medical establishment (and that includes many nurses as well). Exercise is not seen as a complicated "science". It doesn't help that a large number of "fitness experts" that the lay person comes into contact with are frauds, hucksters, and unprincipled self-promoters. One need only look at the so-called "Fitness and Health Professionals Group" on Linked In to see what I mean.

SHBoss1673

Often ran into the same problem with doctors re exercise, esp for cardiac patients when I used to run cardiac rehab programs.

The problem is not that doctors are not educated--it's that there is too much knowledge for any one person to absorb, no matter how brilliant. The importance of exercise and nutrition is being emphasized more as part of a medical practice, so many doctors are emphasizing these more, but I don't think they have any more training than before. Plus, our current system makes it virtually impossible for docs to effectively engage in detailed lifestyle counseling.

Personally, I don't want my doc to be an expert in exercise or nutrition. There are plenty of people out there who dedicate their professional lives just to those areas. I want him/her to be an expert in medical issues--I don't want him/her to overlook a dangerous infection, medication side effect, etc because he/she was up late reading the latest ACSM or NSCA journal. In my ideal world, he/she just needs to have the awareness to know what he doesn't know and how to find the referral slip to a dietitian or clinical exercise physiologist.

Obviously, I am exaggerating to make a point. It has always been a battle to have exercise professionals taken seriously by the medical establishment (and that includes many nurses as well). Exercise is not seen as a complicated "science". It doesn't help that a large number of "fitness experts" that the lay person comes into contact with are frauds, hucksters, and unprincipled self-promoters. One need only look at the so-called "Fitness and Health Professionals Group" on Linked In to see what I mean.

Right there with ya Az. There's no need for doctors to learn nutrition, there's a whole profession out there that's state licensed (at least in MA it is) on the topic of nutrition (see www.cdrnet.org). I actually had my doctor tell me to cut out the oil and red meat to lower my triglycerides. I blinked, looked at him and said, "why?" Then I promptly ignored that obviously asinine advice and proceeded to up my fiber, lower my trans fats, and eat more whole grains, which nicely lowered my triglycerides to a fantastic level (I had already started an exercise program). I wanted to (but didn't) go back to him and tell him something like "You realize it's not oil and red meat that's the reason for high triglycerides, right? It's the trans fats, butters, hydrogenated oils, and processed carbs that are". Maybe I should have.

xsargex

Speaking of doctors and nurses...you know what really shocks me. Going to the doctor's office or the hospital and seeing how many stand outside and smoke. Seriously, am I the only one that finds that shocking? If I knew my doctor was a smoker, I'd change doctors. That would be about the same level of ignorance as a Suicide Prevention Counselor putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger.

chrissyh

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Flimsy muscle? I had something in mind....but uhhh, not appropriate for this board. Thinking it has something to do with getting outta a cold swimming pool. :huh:

SHBoss1673

Speaking of doctors and nurses...you know what really shocks me. Going to the doctor's office or the hospital and seeing how many stand outside and smoke. Seriously, am I the only one that finds that shocking? If I knew my doctor was a smoker, I'd change doctors. That would be about the same level of ignorance as a Suicide Prevention Counselor putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger.

I've seen it also. A little scary. I worked in a hospital, more nurses smoked than anyone else. That's just plain YIKES to me!

msarro

Speaking of doctors and nurses...you know what really shocks me. Going to the doctor's office or the hospital and seeing how many stand outside and smoke. Seriously, am I the only one that finds that shocking? If I knew my doctor was a smoker, I'd change doctors. That would be about the same level of ignorance as a Suicide Prevention Counselor putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger.

I've seen it also. A little scary. I worked in a hospital, more nurses smoked than anyone else. That's just plain YIKES to me!

It doesn't seem that farfetched to me. Every day they see people under 30 dying for the stupidest reasons you could imagine. With that in mind, I think they just prefer quality of life to quantity. Same reason a number of doctors are obese - they flat out don't care that much because they realize far more than the average person how transient life is. At least that's how one of my friends feels - she's a neurologist.

Then again, she's also the same one who said that people who are in the terminal stages of illness should smoke, drink, do drugs, blast rock and roll, and in general have a great time because they may as well enjoy what they have left. :laugh:

SHBoss1673

It doesn't seem that farfetched to me. Every day they see people under 30 dying for the stupidest reasons you could imagine. With that in mind, I think they just prefer quality of life to quantity. Same reason a number of doctors are obese - they flat out don't care that much because they realize far more than the average person how transient life is. At least that's how one of my friends feels - she's a neurologist.

Then again, she's also the same one who said that people who are in the terminal stages of illness should smoke, drink, do drugs, blast rock and roll, and in general have a great time because they may as well enjoy what they have left. :laugh:

I don't see smoking as raising quality of life of an otherwise healthy person. I know I HATED the fact that I smoked, and I know it prevented me from performing at my highest levels, which both lowered my quality of life. Not to mention (and doctors and nurses know this) that is makes you more susceptible to viruses and immune system issues, the smell is like repellent in clubs and bars to many, and ruins your skin. All things that lower your quality of life IMHO.

pinkissheek

I have officially switched doctors! LOL I see the new one tomorrow...we will see what he has to say! but smoking is nasty:sick:

xsargex

Well if doctors and nurses wanna kill themselves. Hey thats great. I guess I'm more concerned with the image and message they are creating for their patients. Whether it be a hospital or family care practice. I mean, here you are "saving lives" and preaching to someone about taking care of their quality of life...meanwhile the patients are walking in and out.... with the staff smoking 50 yards from the front door. Yeah I think that is kinda unnacceptable. I don't care what crazy philosophy they've come up with about "living life to the fullest". They should know better. And if anything, do it in the privacy of your own home, not at a place of work.

Believe me, I'm the last one to trample on someone's civil rights. Everyone can do as they please. I'm all about that. Go smoke, go drink till your liver explodes and do lines off a hooker's *kitten*...I don't care. Just don't do it in public. Or atleast in an atmosphere that is a bit more appropriate like a bar, casino or strip club. haha

ittybittybadonkadonk

almost 2 weeks that i have been smoked free....YAY MEEEEEEEEEEEE

amicklin

i checked back with the doctor and he said that its called flimsy muscle because it can be lost quicker....idk...but I love the swimming pool comment! very classy

As far as I've ever heard, that's not true. Did he elaborate on why it's lost quicker? I'm calling bull$h1t on that one. I think he was just trying to sound smart. Not the first time I've seen a doctor try to meddle with nutrition. Doctors (by that I mean GP doctors), receive very little training in nutrition from most medical programs. Most receive 1 semester early on in Pre-med, and that's it. A few programs have stepped up their preventative medicine lessons, but not that many. There was a wide scale survey put out a few years ago on nutrition (I saw it in the New England Journal of Medicine, but I don't know which issue as I read it online) and the majority of doctors received a 60% or below. That shocked me big time. Not saying any one particular doctor is suspect, but when you make statements like "flimsy muscle", it throws up red flags in my mind. this is why I preach the virtues of registered dietitians (NOT nutritionists) as they go through extensive training and need to be certified and keep their registration up to date.

Registered Dietician NOT a nutritionist? Is that the difference between a doctor and a nurse? Or something to that effect?

msarro

It doesn't seem that farfetched to me. Every day they see people under 30 dying for the stupidest reasons you could imagine. With that in mind, I think they just prefer quality of life to quantity. Same reason a number of doctors are obese - they flat out don't care that much because they realize far more than the average person how transient life is. At least that's how one of my friends feels - she's a neurologist.

Then again, she's also the same one who said that people who are in the terminal stages of illness should smoke, drink, do drugs, blast rock and roll, and in general have a great time because they may as well enjoy what they have left. :laugh:

I don't see smoking as raising quality of life of an otherwise healthy person. I know I HATED the fact that I smoked, and I know it prevented me from performing at my highest levels, which both lowered my quality of life. Not to mention (and doctors and nurses know this) that is makes you more susceptible to viruses and immune system issues, the smell is like repellent in clubs and bars to many, and ruins your skin. All things that lower your quality of life IMHO.

That's also a matter of perception though. Some people genuinely enjoy the act of smoking. Others strangely enough asthmatics that I've met, enjoy smoking because it actually helps them breathe without needing an inhaler. One of my old housemates swears by it, and its probably what allowed him to get into the Marines. People like weird things.
When I still smoked cigs I never really got into it either - it burnt my throat, the smoke tasted bad, and there wasn't anything really super pleasurable about it. But there I was puffing away.

Different strokes for different folks I guess?

SHBoss1673

That's also a matter of perception though. Some people genuinely enjoy the act of smoking. Others strangely enough asthmatics that I've met, enjoy smoking because it actually helps them breathe without needing an inhaler. One of my old housemates swears by it, and its probably what allowed him to get into the Marines. People like weird things.
When I still smoked cigs I never really got into it either - it burnt my throat, the smoke tasted bad, and there wasn't anything really super pleasurable about it. But there I was puffing away.

Different strokes for different folks I guess?

Well, the enjoyment, yes that's perception, but not the other things I mentioned. And that asthma thing, that's tiny cross section, you can't use that when talking about the topic as a whole. And even then, does the ability to breath without an inhaler negate the downfalls of smoking? I still say, even taking out how you FEEL about smoking, it still lowers your quality of life.

metalpalace

according to my doctor it is really unhealthy for you...because it's already granulated so your body absorbs more of it and faster...causing your body to build "flimsy" muscle...any thoughts on this?

Right away my mind went into the gutter over the flimsy muscle comment :laugh:

Your doctor was probably trying to tell you in his own quirky way that over loading on protein can lead to fat accumulation.

mnichol

Speaking of doctors and nurses...you know what really shocks me. Going to the doctor's office or the hospital and seeing how many stand outside and smoke. Seriously, am I the only one that finds that shocking? If I knew my doctor was a smoker, I'd change doctors. That would be about the same level of ignorance as a Suicide Prevention Counselor putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger.

I've seen it also. A little scary. I worked in a hospital, more nurses smoked than anyone else. That's just plain YIKES to me!

I work at a hospital and I'm amazed everyday how many docs (surgeons) and nurses are out smoking. What bugs me the most the the "extra free time" they get to go outside, take a break and ruin their body/health. Even the CEO's of the hospital all smoke. I believe this is why the hospital does nothing about it. Too close to home, so to speak!! I think they should pay a higher insurance premium.


this thread sure wen in a different direction......:noway:

Azdak

i checked back with the doctor and he said that its called flimsy muscle because it can be lost quicker....idk...but I love the swimming pool comment! very classy

As far as I've ever heard, that's not true. Did he elaborate on why it's lost quicker? I'm calling bull$h1t on that one. I think he was just trying to sound smart. Not the first time I've seen a doctor try to meddle with nutrition. Doctors (by that I mean GP doctors), receive very little training in nutrition from most medical programs. Most receive 1 semester early on in Pre-med, and that's it. A few programs have stepped up their preventative medicine lessons, but not that many. There was a wide scale survey put out a few years ago on nutrition (I saw it in the New England Journal of Medicine, but I don't know which issue as I read it online) and the majority of doctors received a 60% or below. That shocked me big time. Not saying any one particular doctor is suspect, but when you make statements like "flimsy muscle", it throws up red flags in my mind. this is why I preach the virtues of registered dietitians (NOT nutritionists) as they go through extensive training and need to be certified and keep their registration up to date.

Registered Dietician NOT a nutritionist? Is that the difference between a doctor and a nurse? Or something to that effect?

I don't know that there are any professional requirements for being a "nutritionist". I think you just print it on your business card--or else send in a couple of "Muscle Milk" boxtops and a SASE. It certainly is not a licensed position, such as an RD.

Not to poop on all "nutritionists" but the title is a convenient umbrella for the hucksters, dilettantes, and scam artists.

The only problem with RDs is that they tend to get caught up in the volume of every-day client care and often do not have the time or skill to keep up with the latest advances in sports nutrition. So, if that is your need and interest, you do have to do some searching/screening to find an RD who has the expertise you want. Just picking one out of the book probably won't work.

LittleSpy

That's also a matter of perception though. Some people genuinely enjoy the act of smoking. Others strangely enough asthmatics that I've met, enjoy smoking because it actually helps them breathe without needing an inhaler. One of my old housemates swears by it, and its probably what allowed him to get into the Marines.

Not to hijack the thread, but your old housemate's idea about asthma and smoking is BS. I guess people really will make up any reason to feed the addiction. I'll bet he never got past the withdrawal symtoms when he quit smoking -- many people go through what's often called "smoker's flu" for a few weeks after quitting. What's happening is your lungs are purging all the nasty crap left in them from cigarette smoke. It really sucks. My allergies and asthma had gotten pretty bad after being a smoker for about 8 years. I decided I had to quit, so I did, and I thought I was going to die for about 3 weeks because my asthma got so much worse and my lungs were so congested. But 2 years later, I haven't used an inhaler in about 1.5 years. When I was a smoker, I was using my inhaler at least 2-3 times each month and I was taking medication for allergies. I don't take medication for allergies anymore, either (although I still have allergies, they no longer trigger asthma attacks).