Free Birth Control Pill

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  • cmm7303
    cmm7303 Posts: 423 Member
    To anybody on here posting about teens being active and having kids- that is not what this topic was about the OP just wanted to know if anybody had heard anything and guess what she hasn't posted anything else so if you have a problem with teens being active then I say you are terrible because lets see I am 19 so I am a teen yet I have been with my guy a long time and were getting married... so a problem with teens being active is?? I understand younger like the 13 year olds (which is very common) but how about you not use the word teens.

    Why do some teens become sexually active:

    Sexual attraction
    Society & media pressure
    Peer pressure
    Use of alcohol and drugs
    Pressure from boyfriend/girlfriend
    Desire to be considered "normal"
    Parents’ example
    Inappropriate sex education
    Mistaken beliefs
    Boredom
    Low self-esteem
    Loneliness
    No good reasons to say "No"

    Do any of these sound good to you? p.s your a legal adult, accept it already.

    Actually sexual attraction sounds like a great start seeing as I am so sexually attracted to my fiance. Also seeing as my fiance has a few drinks things get more fun. Also when we were bored when we lost power it was a great reason. Also I have no good reason to say no to him...So yea those are great reasons to become sexually active as a teen to me... What now.

    Your an idiot.

    And you can't spell. What's your point?

    Like the above poster, I got married at 19. Everyone gave me all kinds of hell for being a "teen" bride, so I promise you, 18 and 19 year olds are still considered "teens" by much of society. Also like someone else posted upthread, I was told we should just not have sex until we were ready for kids. Um, no. I waited until my wedding night to have sex (after dating for four years) so I'll be damned if I'm not allowed sex after that.

    I went on the pill at 14 due to severe endo, and stayed on it until I found out I was pregnant with my first child at 21 (antibiotics play hell with the pill). Then an IUD until we were ready for our second child a few years later, and a tubal after that. Insurance paid for nearly all of it (but, of course, with hubby working and me paying for my University and insurance, we were paying for that, too).

    We've been on both sides of the healthcare adventure...working responsible adults, caregivers for my paralyzed 22year old brother (who didn't have insurance becasue his job didn't offer it, and at minimum wage couldn't afford his own policy), brain surgeries for a son...and then layoffs, no insurance, and covering the kids through state insurance while forgoing any coverage ourselves. I had to pay, out of pocket, for a surgery to reconstruct torn muscles because my insurance didn't feel it was necessary (I'd have been confined to a wheelchair/walker without it). Now, with insurance returning with a new job, we're thrilled. I've been working as an independent contractor and running a small business for 3 years, paying taxes and all, and I still didn't have insurance. The argument that "people who work" are covered and "lazy bums" aren't is a fallacy and a lie. My brother, a high fuctioning quadriplegic, didn't qualify for medical care for 2 years after the accident, so we had to pay all of his medical care out of pocket, too. He's not lazy, his body is destroyed after saving my daughter's life. How is that fair?

    As much as everyone is so terrified about the "Obamacare" boogeyman, no one seems to care about the insane profits made by insurance companies who happily deny life-saving treatment to the ill. If collecting premiums and then not paying for a necessary surgery is their business model, I think the US could benefit from joining the rest of the civilized world and covering its citizens. Yes, it will get paid for through taxes...just like roads, firefighters, cops and other benefits to society at large. There are plenty of places to trim our budget (defense contractors, wars of aggression, bovine and corn subsidies, etc) and taxes for the well-to-do are the lowest they have been since any of ya'll have been alive.

    End: a healthy citizenry is better for everyone.
  • cmm7303
    cmm7303 Posts: 423 Member
    Whatever happened to people taking care of themselves? Or teaching children abstinence? Why do I or anyone else have to pay for someone's birth control pills?
    People are very fast to want others to take responsibility for their lives. What some do-gooders will never get is that when you reward people to act out, they act out more, then complain that they don't get enough government money.
    Have you ever once met a grateful welfare bum?

    Um, what about those who lose their jobs? Become disabled?

    My family relied on government assistance for 2 years while my husband and I both retrained and got new jobs. That assistance saved my son's life, and kept my daughter healthy. It provided us with food, and we didn't lose our home (though we came damn close a few times). I'm intensely grateful that those programs were out there (and happy that we paid into them for a decade before our catastrophe). I'm happy to be paying into the again.

    But, sir, I am no bum...and many people are one layoff decision away from needing the services you so despise. Have some compassion for your fellow humans.
  • jaymek92
    jaymek92 Posts: 309 Member

    America is run by old, rich, white men who don't like women.

    There you go! Glad you finally showed your true radical, misandrist colors.

    Anyone who does not support free contraception, free abortion, free child care, free mamograms, free parental leave, or potty parity 100% of the time is engaged in a War On Women. How trite.
    I never said anything about any of those except for contraception.
    Since you brought them up, however:
    On abortion: I don't think that abortion should be free in general, but I think it should be legal, covered by insurance if it is medically necessary, and available at a reduced cost for low-income people.
    On child care: I don't think it should be free. 95% of the time, you can find somebody to watch your child for you. I think that major companies should probably provide child care for their employees, but they shouldn't be required to provide it.
    On mammograms: They should be free. Mammograms are used to find breast cancer. Prostate exams don't cost extra, so why should mammograms?
    On parental leave: The United States has among the worst parental leave systems. Far, far worse than any other developed country and worse than a lot of not developed countries. It is one of four countries that do not provide any time off for new parents. I believe that all new parents or recipients of children should get at least a few weeks off of work.
    On potty parity: Honestly, I never even heard this term before. The fact that it even exists is insane. Why should people with penises and people with vaginas not both get bathrooms?

    If everything was reversed and penises suddenly became vaginas, you wouldn't know what to do. You would have so much less power and so fewer rights just because of the sex organs you were born with.

    Also, why does thinking that women should be treated equally to men make me "radical"? Doesn't that make me a sane, compassionate human being?
  • Reana27
    Reana27 Posts: 43 Member
    I just view sex as a choice. I pay for birth control because it's a choice I made. I have no problem doing so. I do not believe that free birth control will cut down on the number of unwanted pregnancies or the number of welfare babies.

    I'm okay with free birth control--I just don't believe it's a right.

    I would rather see free cancer meds, free insulin, etc. Medications that people actually need and are not simply a choice.

    FYI - I NEED my birth control pills for my endometriosis. I did not choose to get endometriosis nor did I choose to be on birth control for the last 20 years. You should really do your homework before you make a blanket statement about a medication. There are many people who take the pill for medical reasons that have nothing to do with pregnancy prevention.

    By the way, I have been a tax paying, insurance premium paying citizen for my whole life, and if I can finally start benifitting from some of the handouts, I'm all for it.
  • BVannillie
    BVannillie Posts: 140
    Hmm, would I rather live in the UK where healthcare is slow but free, or live in a country with no free healthcare and get myself into life debt just by having an illness or having a baby? Let me think...................................

    And I was on the pill for years to combat a hormone imbalance that made me very ill, so acting like I'm a slut just makes you an ignorant *kitten*.
  • Josie_lifting_cats
    Josie_lifting_cats Posts: 949 Member
    Whatever happened to people taking care of themselves? Or teaching children abstinence? Why do I or anyone else have to pay for someone's birth control pills?
    People are very fast to want others to take responsibility for their lives. What some do-gooders will never get is that when you reward people to act out, they act out more, then complain that they don't get enough government money.
    Have you ever once met a grateful welfare bum?

    Um, what about those who lose their jobs? Become disabled?

    My family relied on government assistance for 2 years while my husband and I both retrained and got new jobs. That assistance saved my son's life, and kept my daughter healthy. It provided us with food, and we didn't lose our home (though we came damn close a few times). I'm intensely grateful that those programs were out there (and happy that we paid into them for a decade before our catastrophe). I'm happy to be paying into the again.

    But, sir, I am no bum...and many people are one layoff decision away from needing the services you so despise. Have some compassion for your fellow humans.

    You 110% do not meet the "welfare bum" requirements. You are what the system is SUPPOSED to do. However, the guy across the road that deeded land to his wife, hauled in a singlewide, and then "separated" with her, installed a mailbox, but still lives with his wife and is collecting welfare for both of them is more along the "welfare bum" definition.

    Then he hauled in another singlewide, put in another mailbox, and his 18 year old son is doing the same thing. All of them live in one house, but they get the mail at each of their mailboxes every day. He was clever enough to take advantage of the three roads that he has frontage on - so none of them live on the same street as far as the state knows.

    Even better - the state paid for his wife's infertility treatments. Then they had twins.

    Another thing I'd rather see - us paying for birth control instead of us paying for someone to have kid #4 and #5 with IVF.
  • Josie_lifting_cats
    Josie_lifting_cats Posts: 949 Member
    Depends upon how you define free. If you mean everyone else who pays taxes is paying for it so you don't have to, and you have the right coverage, then yeah I guess it's "free".

    I would glady pay taxes on this, because then there wouldn't be children pregnant with children.

    And there also wouldn't be people on welfare with 9 kids at walmart getting everything for free without having a job, just because they have 9 kids because they didn't feel like taking birth control or they couldn't afford it.

    I wish this were true. However, you can get birth control free or almost free at planned parenthood, yet people don't take advantage of it. Are they going to take advantage of it now? Or are they going to continue to have children so they can increase the amount they get through welfare? I'm pretty sure, they're still going to have their 9, 10, 11 kids so they can get things for free.

    It's not free. Sliding scale. Depends on the funding they have. It varies wildly.
  • BL_Coleman
    BL_Coleman Posts: 324 Member
    If it is "free" I woudl assume that is goign to part of the universal mandate. So it will be free with your new health insureance which will be about 90 a month for a single person I believe making around 22,000 a year.
  • beckajw
    beckajw Posts: 1,728 Member
    Hmm, would I rather live in the UK where healthcare is slow but free, or live in a country with no free healthcare and get myself into life debt just by having an illness or having a baby? Let me think...................................

    And I was on the pill for years to combat a hormone imbalance that made me very ill, so acting like I'm a slut just makes you an ignorant *kitten*.

    I'd rather live in a country where it's fast and I get myself into debt. It's what I did. I have juvenile diabetes. I have to pay for insulin. I lived for years without health insurance and went into debt because of it. However, I never had to wait to get the health care I needed. Waiting can be much worse than paying.

    Taking the pill doesn't make you a slut. Assuming that that is the argument against free birth control is narrow-minded. Why should you get birth control for free simply because you need it, but a diabetic can't get insulin for free and a cancer patient can't get chemo for free? Those are the real questions.
  • fluffeesquirrel
    fluffeesquirrel Posts: 63 Member
    Whatever happened to people taking care of themselves? Or teaching children abstinence? Why do I or anyone else have to pay for someone's birth control pills?

    Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. Places that teach abstinence only have much higher rates of teen pregnancy. Also, have you ever worked a minimum wage job without assistance (because ironically full time minimum wage is above the poverty threshold) and tried to buy basic necessities such as food, shelter, and utilities? It can't be done. If you can't pay for basics, how are you going to cover medical care? Much less birth control. You are ignorant.

    No, Ignorance is not taking the "Free" grants that are offered ALL the time to go to college. Get a better job and then you can afford all of the above. But instead, Lets all just work at McDonalds and take all the handouts we can get, while someone else (like myself) Did what it takes to get the grants, bust my butt in school and now busts it at work to pay for all the handouts.

    Free grants aren't offered to everyone. The middle class often have the most difficult time paying for college because they make "too much" to get scholarships and not actually enough to pay for college. I would know. Despite graduating at the very top of my class from high school, I was unable to receive anything because my parents "make too much". My parents each make in the 35K range/year and my dad has student loans (he went to school late) to pay off. Also, I have three other siblings. I qualify for UNsubsidized loans ONLY. I currently have a 3.94 at the University of Florida, does that guarantee that I'll have a good job when I graduate even though I've busted my *kitten* to keep my grades good while working a mediocre minimum wage job? No it does not. And furthermore, getting out of poverty isn't as easy as "getting a better job". I was very lucky to even be in the middle class, but children of the very poor have cumulative disadvantages that do not allow them to move out of the lower classes.

    Everyone thinks America makes it so easy to pull yourself by your bootstraps and make your own way. It's not the case. Read a book, take a class... inform yourself.
  • moosegt35
    moosegt35 Posts: 1,296 Member
    Depends upon how you define free. If you mean everyone else who pays taxes is paying for it so you don't have to, and you have the right coverage, then yeah I guess it's "free".

    I would glady pay taxes on this, because then there wouldn't be children pregnant with children.

    And there also wouldn't be people on welfare with 9 kids at walmart getting everything for free without having a job, just because they have 9 kids because they didn't feel like taking birth control or they couldn't afford it.

    Those sorry *kitten* people will still be in the same boat. You have to actually go get it and take it for it to be effective. The health department has given away condoms for years and people are too sorry to go get those.
  • JustJennie1
    JustJennie1 Posts: 3,749 Member
    Depends upon how you define free. If you mean everyone else who pays taxes is paying for it so you don't have to, and you have the right coverage, then yeah I guess it's "free".

    I would glady pay taxes on this, because then there wouldn't be children pregnant with children.

    And there also wouldn't be people on welfare with 9 kids at walmart getting everything for free without having a job, just because they have 9 kids because they didn't feel like taking birth control or they couldn't afford it.

    Those sorry *kitten* people will still be in the same boat. You have to actually go get it and take it for it to be effective. The health department has given away condoms for years and people are too sorry to go get those.

    Exactly.

    Just because it's available for free doesn't mean people are going to take it. Anyway, those people who are on welfare with the 9 kids get more money the more they pop out so why bother stopping that?
  • cmm7303
    cmm7303 Posts: 423 Member
    Whatever happened to people taking care of themselves? Or teaching children abstinence? Why do I or anyone else have to pay for someone's birth control pills?
    People are very fast to want others to take responsibility for their lives. What some do-gooders will never get is that when you reward people to act out, they act out more, then complain that they don't get enough government money.
    Have you ever once met a grateful welfare bum?

    Um, what about those who lose their jobs? Become disabled?

    My family relied on government assistance for 2 years while my husband and I both retrained and got new jobs. That assistance saved my son's life, and kept my daughter healthy. It provided us with food, and we didn't lose our home (though we came damn close a few times). I'm intensely grateful that those programs were out there (and happy that we paid into them for a decade before our catastrophe). I'm happy to be paying into the again.

    But, sir, I am no bum...and many people are one layoff decision away from needing the services you so despise. Have some compassion for your fellow humans.

    You 110% do not meet the "welfare bum" requirements. You are what the system is SUPPOSED to do. However, the guy across the road that deeded land to his wife, hauled in a singlewide, and then "separated" with her, installed a mailbox, but still lives with his wife and is collecting welfare for both of them is more along the "welfare bum" definition.

    Then he hauled in another singlewide, put in another mailbox, and his 18 year old son is doing the same thing. All of them live in one house, but they get the mail at each of their mailboxes every day. He was clever enough to take advantage of the three roads that he has frontage on - so none of them live on the same street as far as the state knows.

    Even better - the state paid for his wife's infertility treatments. Then they had twins.

    Another thing I'd rather see - us paying for birth control instead of us paying for someone to have kid #4 and #5 with IVF.

    His tone was rather dismissive of anyone who'd ever received assistance. Also, the people that complain about people having more and more kids to increase their welfare checks apparently missed the reform of the Clinton years. You can get more food stamps, but not more cash. Besides...no one lives large off of food stamps/TANF/WIC. No one.
  • cmm7303
    cmm7303 Posts: 423 Member
    Hmm, would I rather live in the UK where healthcare is slow but free, or live in a country with no free healthcare and get myself into life debt just by having an illness or having a baby? Let me think...................................

    And I was on the pill for years to combat a hormone imbalance that made me very ill, so acting like I'm a slut just makes you an ignorant *kitten*.

    I'd rather live in a country where it's fast and I get myself into debt. It's what I did. I have juvenile diabetes. I have to pay for insulin. I lived for years without health insurance and went into debt because of it. However, I never had to wait to get the health care I needed. Waiting can be much worse than paying.

    Taking the pill doesn't make you a slut. Assuming that that is the argument against free birth control is narrow-minded. Why should you get birth control for free simply because you need it, but a diabetic can't get insulin for free and a cancer patient can't get chemo for free? Those are the real questions.

    A diabetic should get insulin, a cancer patient should get chemo and women should get birth control. No one should go into hock over medical care. It simply shouldn't be that way. Also, did you miss the part of the "slow" argument where she walked in for an appointment? Yeah, that's not particularly slow...especially when you consider the waiting times at ERs and free clinics.
  • rbl1225
    rbl1225 Posts: 235 Member
    I am shocked this is still going from last night and hasn't been locked yet
  • beckajw
    beckajw Posts: 1,728 Member
    Hmm, would I rather live in the UK where healthcare is slow but free, or live in a country with no free healthcare and get myself into life debt just by having an illness or having a baby? Let me think...................................

    And I was on the pill for years to combat a hormone imbalance that made me very ill, so acting like I'm a slut just makes you an ignorant *kitten*.

    I'd rather live in a country where it's fast and I get myself into debt. It's what I did. I have juvenile diabetes. I have to pay for insulin. I lived for years without health insurance and went into debt because of it. However, I never had to wait to get the health care I needed. Waiting can be much worse than paying.

    Taking the pill doesn't make you a slut. Assuming that that is the argument against free birth control is narrow-minded. Why should you get birth control for free simply because you need it, but a diabetic can't get insulin for free and a cancer patient can't get chemo for free? Those are the real questions.

    A diabetic should get insulin, a cancer patient should get chemo and women should get birth control. No one should go into hock over medical care. It simply shouldn't be that way. Also, did you miss the part of the "slow" argument where she walked in for an appointment? Yeah, that's not particularly slow...especially when you consider the waiting times at ERs and free clinics.

    No, nothing should be free. Why should people who go to school and learn chemistry and figure out a medication to save lives not be paid for their work? Why should doctors not be paid for their work? Oh yes, the government will pay... Great, the government pays its employees so well, everyone will want to work for it.

    It's simple. We all have problems. Some of us need medications. Pay for what you need.

    Birth control, unless it's medically necessary (and rarely is) is a choice. You should certainly pay for your choices.
  • oregonzoo
    oregonzoo Posts: 4,251 Member
    It's really not that expensive if you are insured.

    And my thoughts are, if insurance is going to cover happy wee wee pills, it should absolutley cover birth control.
  • daffodilsoup
    daffodilsoup Posts: 1,972 Member
    Hmm, would I rather live in the UK where healthcare is slow but free, or live in a country with no free healthcare and get myself into life debt just by having an illness or having a baby? Let me think...................................

    And I was on the pill for years to combat a hormone imbalance that made me very ill, so acting like I'm a slut just makes you an ignorant *kitten*.

    I'd rather live in a country where it's fast and I get myself into debt. It's what I did. I have juvenile diabetes. I have to pay for insulin. I lived for years without health insurance and went into debt because of it. However, I never had to wait to get the health care I needed. Waiting can be much worse than paying.

    Taking the pill doesn't make you a slut. Assuming that that is the argument against free birth control is narrow-minded. Why should you get birth control for free simply because you need it, but a diabetic can't get insulin for free and a cancer patient can't get chemo for free? Those are the real questions.

    A diabetic should get insulin, a cancer patient should get chemo and women should get birth control. No one should go into hock over medical care. It simply shouldn't be that way. Also, did you miss the part of the "slow" argument where she walked in for an appointment? Yeah, that's not particularly slow...especially when you consider the waiting times at ERs and free clinics.

    No, nothing should be free. Why should people who go to school and learn chemistry and figure out a medication to save lives not be paid for their work? Why should doctors not be paid for their work? Oh yes, the government will pay... Great, the government pays its employees so well, everyone will want to work for it.

    It's simple. We all have problems. Some of us need medications. Pay for what you need.

    Birth control, unless it's medically necessary (and rarely is) is a choice. You should certainly pay for your choices.

    Of course the people who develop drugs, become doctors, etc. would get paid - people who build public roads, work at the library and teach get paid too - why would this be any different?

    If you work, you pay taxes, and you "pay for" your birth control with your tax dollars, so it's not free in that sense.
  • LuckyLeprechaun
    LuckyLeprechaun Posts: 6,296 Member
    Depends upon how you define free. If you mean everyone else who pays taxes is paying for it so you don't have to, and you have the right coverage, then yeah I guess it's "free".

    I would glady pay taxes on this, because then there wouldn't be children pregnant with children.

    And there also wouldn't be people on welfare with 9 kids at walmart getting everything for free without having a job, just because they have 9 kids because they didn't feel like taking birth control or they couldn't afford it.

    Planned Parenthood has been passing out free birth control pills for decades now. Guess that didn't actually result in the outcome you thought, huh?
  • felice03
    felice03 Posts: 2,644 Member
    It's really not that expensive if you are insured.

    And my thoughts are, if insurance is going to cover happy wee wee pills, it should absolutley cover birth control.

    all insurance varies...I have great medical coverage, but since I work for a Catholic medical group I have no coverage for any sort of birth control unless it is for a "medical reason". Even with that "medical reason" (irregular periods) it was still going to cost my $40 a month and my only option was the pill. My choice, was to go to planned parenthood where I could have options and pay based on my income.
  • drmerc
    drmerc Posts: 2,603 Member
    Nothing in life is free
  • phinners
    phinners Posts: 524 Member
    Crikey what country is that in?

    So glad I'm in the UK, we may be backwards in a lot of things but our health care is free! thank god!
  • oregonzoo
    oregonzoo Posts: 4,251 Member
    It's really not that expensive if you are insured.

    And my thoughts are, if insurance is going to cover happy wee wee pills, it should absolutley cover birth control.

    all insurance varies...I have great medical coverage, but since I work for a Catholic medical group I have no coverage for any sort of birth control unless it is for a "medical reason". Even with that "medical reason" (irregular periods) it was still going to cost my $40 a month and my only option was the pill. My choice, was to go to planned parenthood where I could have options and pay based on my income.
    See that's when I get irritated. You pay such good money for insurance. You should have access to that.
  • DelilahCat0212
    DelilahCat0212 Posts: 282 Member
    Ugh.

    I pay for my insurance (in part) and my employer pays the other part.

    I go to the pharmacy for a script. I pay a co-pay and the INSURANCE COMPANY picks up the rest.
    After 9/1, I pay no copay and THE INSURANCE COMPANY picks up the rest.

    The insurance company that I paid with my premiums (along with my employer's premiums)

    Can you please explain to me where the everyday joe taxpayer comes in in all of this???
  • vade43113
    vade43113 Posts: 836 Member
    Ugh.

    I pay for my insurance (in part) and my employer pays the other part.

    I go to the pharmacy for a script. I pay a co-pay and the INSURANCE COMPANY picks up the rest.
    After 9/1, I pay no copay and THE INSURANCE COMPANY picks up the rest.

    The insurance company that I paid with my premiums (along with my employer's premiums)

    Can you please explain to me where the everyday joe taxpayer comes in in all of this???

    If that was all, that would be one thing... but, you are looking at at least 100 billion dollars in deficit spending by 2018, this is money we don't have as a country. And we are running out of landmarks to sell to China. Who do you think, will have to pick up this bill, the political people who wrote the stupid law wont.
  • slkehl
    slkehl Posts: 3,801 Member
    If you think it's expensive now, wait until it's "free".....
    :drinker:

    good point
  • Josie_lifting_cats
    Josie_lifting_cats Posts: 949 Member
    Whatever happened to people taking care of themselves? Or teaching children abstinence? Why do I or anyone else have to pay for someone's birth control pills?
    People are very fast to want others to take responsibility for their lives. What some do-gooders will never get is that when you reward people to act out, they act out more, then complain that they don't get enough government money.
    Have you ever once met a grateful welfare bum?

    Um, what about those who lose their jobs? Become disabled?

    My family relied on government assistance for 2 years while my husband and I both retrained and got new jobs. That assistance saved my son's life, and kept my daughter healthy. It provided us with food, and we didn't lose our home (though we came damn close a few times). I'm intensely grateful that those programs were out there (and happy that we paid into them for a decade before our catastrophe). I'm happy to be paying into the again.

    But, sir, I am no bum...and many people are one layoff decision away from needing the services you so despise. Have some compassion for your fellow humans.

    You 110% do not meet the "welfare bum" requirements. You are what the system is SUPPOSED to do. However, the guy across the road that deeded land to his wife, hauled in a singlewide, and then "separated" with her, installed a mailbox, but still lives with his wife and is collecting welfare for both of them is more along the "welfare bum" definition.

    Then he hauled in another singlewide, put in another mailbox, and his 18 year old son is doing the same thing. All of them live in one house, but they get the mail at each of their mailboxes every day. He was clever enough to take advantage of the three roads that he has frontage on - so none of them live on the same street as far as the state knows.

    Even better - the state paid for his wife's infertility treatments. Then they had twins.

    Another thing I'd rather see - us paying for birth control instead of us paying for someone to have kid #4 and #5 with IVF.

    His tone was rather dismissive of anyone who'd ever received assistance. Also, the people that complain about people having more and more kids to increase their welfare checks apparently missed the reform of the Clinton years. You can get more food stamps, but not more cash. Besides...no one lives large off of food stamps/TANF/WIC. No one.

    I agree in general. I live in a very poor county.

    However, my neighbor that I mentioned previously has a newer mini-van under his wife's name (separated, but still living together while claiming they don't), has satellite TV, two four wheelers, a motorcycle, and lots of other toys.

    Meanwhile, across the road, I have antenna TV, lust after four wheelers, but feed my kids and work hard. But there are people scamming the system. Sadly, with the kind of intelligence that it takes to scam the system, they probably could contribute a lot to society.

    Again, I know this is not the norm, and I'm pro welfare programs.... but I just disagree with the "no one" statement. The man has four houses, for cryin' out loud!
  • alias1001
    alias1001 Posts: 634 Member
    How does birth control always get turned into a gender issue? Such a double standard--didn't America go through this crap 40 years ago?
  • Josie_lifting_cats
    Josie_lifting_cats Posts: 949 Member
    Depends upon how you define free. If you mean everyone else who pays taxes is paying for it so you don't have to, and you have the right coverage, then yeah I guess it's "free".

    I would glady pay taxes on this, because then there wouldn't be children pregnant with children.

    And there also wouldn't be people on welfare with 9 kids at walmart getting everything for free without having a job, just because they have 9 kids because they didn't feel like taking birth control or they couldn't afford it.

    Planned Parenthood has been passing out free birth control pills for decades now. Guess that didn't actually result in the outcome you thought, huh?

    Again, this is a myth. You can't just go get free pills at Planned Parenthood. Interesting that so many people believe this, though.
  • ironanimal
    ironanimal Posts: 5,922 Member
    I would glady pay taxes on this, because then there wouldn't be children pregnant with children.

    And there also wouldn't be people on welfare with 9 kids at walmart getting everything for free without having a job, just because they have 9 kids because they didn't feel like taking birth control or they couldn't afford it.

    Doubtful. You'd have to force everyone to take it. Parents (like myself) will not allow their children to behave like animals. My kids are quite aware that any behavior that does not meet dad's approval would likely result in someone walking around looking like a unicorn for the rest of their life since that's where I'm going to relocate it. I've got to brag that I've got some damn smart kids.

    What we will likely see is a widespread increase in STD infections because a lot of those who had been exercising self-control due to not being "protected" will now be happily engaged in sexual activity naively thinking that their partners are all healthy and they wont get pregnant.
    Good look policing your kids 24/7 and in school where you can't see them. I don't get why teens having sex makes them animals. Does it make adults animals too?

    Seriously?? You don't see a problem with teens having sex? Wow
    Well, I don't either. I do see a problem with them doing it without any access to contraception, though.