"The Men Who Made Us Fat" and Leptin
issystclaire
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I recenly watched this three part docu from BBC, and let me tell you, my eyes were opened.
I would highly reccomend it to all.
I have previously lost weight, and then gained it, and more back, and am now back on to losing. I pretty much figured out last time what is good for my body and what works.
I basically eat only organic, no processed foods, no junk, no eating out, minimal amts of alcohol, NO processed sugar, and I also do gluten free.
I am saying all this, to say, that I do understand the basics of what is in processed foods and that they should be avoided at all times. But even still, this docu was extremely illuminating for me
One of the main things that has really helped me from it, is that you find out about a natural hormone we have in our bodies - leptin. This hormone is a neuro hormone, it is basically the chemical that communicates with our brains and tells us it is time to stop eating bc we are full.
Well, if you have an overabundance of fructose in the body, which is found in both plain sugar and corn syrup, it floods the liver and makes this hormone stop working properly, and can result in overeating. They tested it on rats, fed them a high sugar diet, and sure enough, the rats ate themselves into obesity.
Anywhos, I just found this very helpful information and also slightly affirming that high amts of sugar, are indeed, oh so very bad for us one more than one level!
I would highly reccomend it to all.
I have previously lost weight, and then gained it, and more back, and am now back on to losing. I pretty much figured out last time what is good for my body and what works.
I basically eat only organic, no processed foods, no junk, no eating out, minimal amts of alcohol, NO processed sugar, and I also do gluten free.
I am saying all this, to say, that I do understand the basics of what is in processed foods and that they should be avoided at all times. But even still, this docu was extremely illuminating for me
One of the main things that has really helped me from it, is that you find out about a natural hormone we have in our bodies - leptin. This hormone is a neuro hormone, it is basically the chemical that communicates with our brains and tells us it is time to stop eating bc we are full.
Well, if you have an overabundance of fructose in the body, which is found in both plain sugar and corn syrup, it floods the liver and makes this hormone stop working properly, and can result in overeating. They tested it on rats, fed them a high sugar diet, and sure enough, the rats ate themselves into obesity.
Anywhos, I just found this very helpful information and also slightly affirming that high amts of sugar, are indeed, oh so very bad for us one more than one level!
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my dr has put me on leptilift i take 2 capsules before lunch supposed to make me feel full -0
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I have been curious about this since I watched this. Taking leptin supplements to get it working properly again if yours happens to be off. I would assume it would be a type of thing where you only take it for so long, until your body evens itself out - and obviously avoid fructose as this would only put it back out of whack. But, I need to do more research on it first. I would be very interested in hearing an update from you in some weeks time if you would be happy to let me know how it goes?0
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Fat loss is more so about controlling portions and nutrition than it is hunger/satiety. Simply because you aren't full, doesn't mean you literally cannot stop eating.
You are right however about the hormone and the feeling of hunger. However, I have never ignored my cognitive processes and relied solely on my feelings to guide my actions.0 -
You are assuming that avoidance is the answer when dosage is absolutely relevant here. EDIT: Just because X amount of a food item may have adverse effects, does not mean that X/2 of that item will.0
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What is considered an "overabundance of fructose "?0
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bumpity bump, bump ...0
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And here I am losing weight eating a large cookie and a glass of wine every day.
My body must be weird.
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And here I am losing weight eating a large cookie and a glass of wine every day.
My body must be weird.
(IIFYM)
I don't think anyone's saying you can't lose weight eating sugar - the issue being discussed is that sugar impairs the function of the leptin hormone (which is basically a fact).
If people count their calories and plan on doing that for the rest of their lives, they shouldn't have a problem.
The thing is that many people don't count calories and listen to their body to eat, so if their body is telling them they're hungry, they overeat.
It's easy to say the problem is overeating and people just need to have more willpower. It's also easy to do it for a few months and lose some weight, but if your body is telling you it's hungry when it really shouldn't be, then you run into maintenance issues in the long run because you can't just ignore hunger for the rest of your life.0 -
I am starting a food plan today (scary since I've not done this since high school, and when I lost the bulk of my weight it was sheerly by making right choices, not being guided through each step.
That being said, it is a mainly Paleo diet that includes a very high % of good fats... It is designed to reset the body's leptin and insulin sensitivity to help regulate my hormones. I never thought I would get to a point where I thought this would be important; and now I can't imagine NOT focusing on these key elements...
I have gone from obese and depressed, taking waay too much pain medication and not moving. Now I consider myself an elite athlete! Training for my 2nd marathon (this year)... and at some point, not always or forever, you gotta buckle down and really see what these machines called our bodies can really do when omptimized!!0 -
I went a bit further in my research and found that synthetic Leptin does not work as a weight loss aid. The only thing that works is a reduction of your sugar intake. The comments thus far have come from people who do not have sugar issues and cannot possibly understand the battle that goes on between your body and your brain when your Leptin levels are "out of whack". It can only be equated to a drug addiction. You HAVE to reduce the number of carbs going into your system to allow your body to adjust and get back to normal glucose levels and thus bringing your Leptin levels back in check.0
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I am starting a food plan today (scary since I've not done this since high school, and when I lost the bulk of my weight it was sheerly by making right choices, not being guided through each step.
That being said, it is a mainly Paleo diet that includes a very high % of good fats... It is designed to reset the body's leptin and insulin sensitivity to help regulate my hormones. I never thought I would get to a point where I thought this would be important; and now I can't imagine NOT focusing on these key elements...
I have gone from obese and depressed, taking waay too much pain medication and not moving. Now I consider myself an elite athlete! Training for my 2nd marathon (this year)... and at some point, not always or forever, you gotta buckle down and really see what these machines called our bodies can really do when omptimized!!
THIS!!!! You are so spot on!!!0 -
I watched the documentary. I couldn't get past how it blamed America for all of Britain's weight problems. The series has a low-carb angle, for sure. Robert Lustig and Gary Taubes are both interviewed, but no counterpoint voice to the idea that sugar and corn aren't the devil.0
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I watched the documentary. I couldn't get past how it blamed America for all of Britain's weight problems. The series has a low-carb angle, for sure. Robert Lustig and Gary Taubes are both interviewed, but no counterpoint voice to the idea that sugar and corn aren't the devil.
We Americans make everyone fat apparently. I read an article the other day about Asians getting heavier because of American fast food companies.0 -
If you're interested, Jillian Michael's book Master your Metabolism has some interesting information on these topics. The main thing I took from it is that it is BAD BAD BAD to try to take synthetic hormones to get your body going again. If you eat properly unprocessed food your body will start working correctly again on it's own. (Although years of eating poorly can wreak irreparable havoc). It doesn't know what to do with processed food and so it gets out of whack. She recommends seeing an endocrinologist if you really want to know what your body is doing. This is a very simplistic summery of a small part of the book, but on point, I believe.0
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I watched the documentary. I couldn't get past how it blamed America for all of Britain's weight problems. The series has a low-carb angle, for sure. Robert Lustig and Gary Taubes are both interviewed, but no counterpoint voice to the idea that sugar and corn aren't the devil.
The alarmism certainly reeks of the above two dudes.0 -
I watched the documentary. I couldn't get past how it blamed America for all of Britain's weight problems. The series has a low-carb angle, for sure. Robert Lustig and Gary Taubes are both interviewed, but no counterpoint voice to the idea that sugar and corn aren't the devil.
To be fair, you've exported some amazing stuff abroad. Krispy Kreme, McDonalds, Grape Fanta, Oreos, Burger King, that really good prawn chain place in HK. For heaven's sake bring it to Aus RIGHT NOW. I always say the reason I will never ever ever travel to the US is because I'd have to be flown back as cargo.
Downloaded the doco and basically it was a lot of "it's not your fault, you're a victim". Fair enough, maybe some people ate larger and larger meals and bought larger and larger trousers because of advertising and an incredible lack of self awareness of their rapidly expanding frame. Maybe. But you'd have to be a bit dull to be that sort of person. Still, entertaining in the style of most tabloid news shows.0 -
I watched the documentary. I couldn't get past how it blamed America for all of Britain's weight problems. The series has a low-carb angle, for sure. Robert Lustig and Gary Taubes are both interviewed, but no counterpoint voice to the idea that sugar and corn aren't the devil.
To be fair, you've exported some amazing stuff abroad. Krispy Kreme, McDonalds, Grape Fanta, Oreos, Burger King, that really good prawn chain place in HK. For heaven's sake bring it to Aus RIGHT NOW. I always say the reason I will never ever ever travel to the US is because I'd have to be flown back as cargo.
Downloaded the doco and basically it was a lot of "it's not your fault, you're a victim". Fair enough, maybe some people ate larger and larger meals and bought larger and larger trousers because of advertising and an incredible lack of self awareness of their rapidly expanding frame. Maybe. But you'd have to be a bit dull to be that sort of person. Still, entertaining in the style of most tabloid news shows.
Are you from Australia? Because you guys have something called Tim Tams over there, and I'm so jealous. Maybe we can work out a trade.0 -
I recenly watched this three part docu from BBC, and let me tell you, my eyes were opened.
I would highly reccomend it to all.
I have previously lost weight, and then gained it, and more back, and am now back on to losing. I pretty much figured out last time what is good for my body and what works.
I basically eat only organic, no processed foods, no junk, no eating out, minimal amts of alcohol, NO processed sugar, and I also do gluten free.
I am saying all this, to say, that I do understand the basics of what is in processed foods and that they should be avoided at all times. But even still, this docu was extremely illuminating for me
One of the main things that has really helped me from it, is that you find out about a natural hormone we have in our bodies - leptin. This hormone is a neuro hormone, it is basically the chemical that communicates with our brains and tells us it is time to stop eating bc we are full.
Well, if you have an overabundance of fructose in the body, which is found in both plain sugar and corn syrup, it floods the liver and makes this hormone stop working properly, and can result in overeating. They tested it on rats, fed them a high sugar diet, and sure enough, the rats ate themselves into obesity.
Anywhos, I just found this very helpful information and also slightly affirming that high amts of sugar, are indeed, oh so very bad for us one more than one level!
Metabolically speaking, how is processed sugar different from natural sugar?0 -
I pretty much figured out last time what is good for my body and what works.
I played a pickup game of football last weekend. I pretty much figured out what I need to play in the pros.0 -
I don't think anyone's saying you can't lose weight eating sugar - the issue being discussed is that sugar impairs the function of the leptin hormone (which is basically a fact).
Sorry, the bolded part makes it too easy.0 -
I watched the documentary. I couldn't get past how it blamed America for all of Britain's weight problems. The series has a low-carb angle, for sure. Robert Lustig and Gary Taubes are both interviewed, but no counterpoint voice to the idea that sugar and corn aren't the devil.
To be fair, you've exported some amazing stuff abroad. Krispy Kreme, McDonalds, Grape Fanta, Oreos, Burger King, that really good prawn chain place in HK. For heaven's sake bring it to Aus RIGHT NOW. I always say the reason I will never ever ever travel to the US is because I'd have to be flown back as cargo.
Downloaded the doco and basically it was a lot of "it's not your fault, you're a victim". Fair enough, maybe some people ate larger and larger meals and bought larger and larger trousers because of advertising and an incredible lack of self awareness of their rapidly expanding frame. Maybe. But you'd have to be a bit dull to be that sort of person. Still, entertaining in the style of most tabloid news shows.
Are you from Australia? Because you guys have something called Tim Tams over there, and I'm so jealous. Maybe we can work out a trade.
Total Aussie... Tim Tams... be still my heart. I hope you know that we have turkish delight flavour now. They're scrumptious! Be jealous... they're all I have to tide me over until In n Out open up here.0 -
I watched the documentary. I couldn't get past how it blamed America for all of Britain's weight problems. The series has a low-carb angle, for sure. Robert Lustig and Gary Taubes are both interviewed, but no counterpoint voice to the idea that sugar and corn aren't the devil.
To be fair, you've exported some amazing stuff abroad. Krispy Kreme, McDonalds, Grape Fanta, Oreos, Burger King, that really good prawn chain place in HK. For heaven's sake bring it to Aus RIGHT NOW. I always say the reason I will never ever ever travel to the US is because I'd have to be flown back as cargo.
Downloaded the doco and basically it was a lot of "it's not your fault, you're a victim". Fair enough, maybe some people ate larger and larger meals and bought larger and larger trousers because of advertising and an incredible lack of self awareness of their rapidly expanding frame. Maybe. But you'd have to be a bit dull to be that sort of person. Still, entertaining in the style of most tabloid news shows.
Are you from Australia? Because you guys have something called Tim Tams over there, and I'm so jealous. Maybe we can work out a trade.
LOL. If you're in the U.S they sell TIm Tams here under another name at World Market. You should really try and peel yourself away from them, they are highly addictive!0 -
Well it is as much a fact as facts can be in nutrition. It's hard to prove without any shred of doubt, but studies have shown it to be the case time and time again.I don't think anyone's saying you can't lose weight eating sugar - the issue being discussed is that sugar impairs the function of the leptin hormone (which is basically a fact).
Sorry, the bolded part makes it too easy.0 -
Well it is as much a fact as facts can be in nutrition. It's hard to prove without any shred of doubt, but studies have shown it to be the case time and time again.I don't think anyone's saying you can't lose weight eating sugar - the issue being discussed is that sugar impairs the function of the leptin hormone (which is basically a fact).
Sorry, the bolded part makes it too easy.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-facts-on-leptin-faq?page=1
Please read this!!! It may provide just a little insight into what has been proven to BE A FACT!!0 -
I love this book! Everyone needs to read this book! It's what really solidified my love for Jillian Michaels and what she is trying to do for people - living and eating naturally is a key to weight loss, happiness and a balanced life.
Since I want everyone to read this book here is an e-book copy. It's in .mobi format which works for Kindle and for viewing on computers. If you want to change the format for your e-book reader you can go to www.online-convert.com
http://www.4shared.com/file/3fMNasej/Master_Your_Metabolism.htm0 -
I thought this was going to be a rant about exes...0
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Ugh. I hate documentaries. I hate alarmism.
Oh well. I'm not feeling up to a debate today and there are better people than me already arguing the merits (or lack of merits) behind the ideas apparently propagated in the documentary.
The only thing I feel like contributing is: I'm not sure I'd call leptin a neurohormone. It's a hormone, and it does produce a signal that is interpreted by the brain. However, it's not really 'neuro'. "Neuro" means something produced by neurons and used to signal to neurons. Examples include serotonin, dopamine, acetylcholine, norepinephrine (though this is also produced by the adrenal cortex), and so on. Neurohormones can also include hormones produced by specialized neurons in the hypothalmus (for example). The hormones are released into the blood stream and target non-neuronal cells. I'm pretty sure leptin is not produced by neurons.
A technical detail... but hey... if we're all throwing around science, details matter
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Metabolically speaking, how is processed sugar different from natural sugar?
Would someone please answer this, I would love to hear the answers people come up with...0 -
I liked the program and there were some good points whithin the technobabble, more than in the book wheat belly. That is mainly technobabble and psudoscience0
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Oh... I guess I'll add one more thing for people to chew on.
Endocrinology is complicated. Our bodies are complicated. Any time someone (doctor or not) pin-points one single hormone signaling pathway as the 'broken' pathway responsible for all our problems.... well... I'm pretty damn sure they are wrong.
We can't blame leptin for the obesity epidemic.
We can't blame insulin for the obesity epidemic.
We can't blame <insert hormone of your choice here> for the obesity epidemic.
Occasionally, some RARE individuals might actually, honestly, have a malfunction of one or two pathways that cause uncontrolled weight gain. The average person, however, does not have a deficiency. Their bodies are behaving exactly the way they were programmed to behave by God and/or evolution.
We gain weight because we're eating a surplus of calories and our bodies are storing that surplus for the famine it's sure is just around the corner. To store these calories, to survive and thrive and function the way our bodies are made to function, we are activating a plethora (love that work >.>) of signaling pathways (aka hormones acting on the cells of our body).
In my opinion, it just doesn't do any good to obsess over which hormone is 'at fault' when we can solve the problem by reducing our calorie intake.0
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