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  • subcult
    subcult Posts: 262 Member
    Of course elite athletes don't eat junk all the time their trainers and nutritinists see to that but they do eat some junk since they burn so much working out as a full time job. http://olympics.yardbarker.com/blog/olympics/article/us_swimmers_celebrate_end_of_olympic_run_by_binging_at_mcdonalds/11355919
  • ZeroWoIf
    ZeroWoIf Posts: 588 Member
    One word: moderation.

    Too much of anything isn't good, but there's nothing wrong with some or a bit.

    In before someone posts that a *kitten* load of water can kill you.
  • ZeroWoIf
    ZeroWoIf Posts: 588 Member
    Of course elite athletes don't eat junk all the time their trainers and nutritinists see to that but they do eat some junk since they burn so much working out as a full time job. http://olympics.yardbarker.com/blog/olympics/article/us_swimmers_celebrate_end_of_olympic_run_by_binging_at_mcdonalds/11355919

    They earned it, some people in this site eat this everyday then do cardio to burn it off haha. If I were to go on a crazy binge then say hello to japanese restaurant and like a nice 200 dollar bill lol.
  • BinaryPulsar
    BinaryPulsar Posts: 8,927 Member
    Of course elite athletes don't eat junk all the time their trainers and nutritinists see to that but they do eat some junk since they burn so much working out as a full time job. http://olympics.yardbarker.com/blog/olympics/article/us_swimmers_celebrate_end_of_olympic_run_by_binging_at_mcdonalds/11355919

    A token advertising moment...lmao
  • slkehl
    slkehl Posts: 3,801 Member
    Of course elite athletes don't eat junk all the time their trainers and nutritinists see to that but they do eat some junk since they burn so much working out as a full time job. http://olympics.yardbarker.com/blog/olympics/article/us_swimmers_celebrate_end_of_olympic_run_by_binging_at_mcdonalds/11355919

    A token advertising moment...lmao

    I'm lovin' it
  • Iceman1800
    Iceman1800 Posts: 476
    Science has shown that what really matters is the proper amount of macros per day to reach the required number of calories you need. So less calories for cutting and clean eating about 80% of the time. So you can have your occasional junk food and can even eat right before bed if it fits in your daily macro requirements
  • cburky911
    cburky911 Posts: 89 Member
    People believe that you can lose weight and get ripped while eating any garbage you feel like, as long as you follow a specific calorie macro.

    Though I do not disagree with this way of thinking, I would love to see someone win a marathon while sticking to such a diet.

    Any takers for this challenge?

    I don't think you need any takers, you could probably find some athletes who have done marathons fuelled by junk food diet. Just look at Michael Phelps..etc.

    I'd bet my left arm that no Olympic athlete has been eating junk food to get where they are.

    Where can I collect that arm?

    Michael Phelps typical daily diet:

    Breakfast: Three fried-egg sandwiches loaded with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and mayonnaise. Two cups of coffee. One five-egg omelet. One bowl of grits. Three slices of French toast topped with powdered sugar. Three chocolate-chip pancakes.

    Lunch: One pound of enriched pasta. Two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayo on white bread. Energy drinks packing 1,000 calories.

    Dinner: One pound of pasta. An entire pizza. More energy drinks.
  • dad106
    dad106 Posts: 4,868 Member
    Getting ripped(IE showing muscle) is more about losing body fat then it is anything else.. which can be achieved through a calorie deficit.

    As long as you are eating in a deficit, you should lose fat.. if you eat in a surplus, then you should gain fat.

    I def. don't eat clean... yet I'm starting to show abs and muscles in my arms/legs... which leads me to believe I must be a genetic freak.
  • AllTehBeers
    AllTehBeers Posts: 5,030 Member
    I haven't read the comments. But, what works for a 20 something year old man, won't work for everyone. I eat a predominantly healthy diet and some junk in moderation, but "junk" is in the eye of the beholder.

    This. I think everyone can agree that a big mac is not the healthiest food but some people don't eat cheese because its processed, high in fat and sodium. Is cheese included in your list? Or how about white bread? Some people don't eat it, some people think its okay if it fits in your macros.
  • KCoolBeanz
    KCoolBeanz Posts: 813 Member
    This is essentially true, however, for those of us who are really just looking to look and feel a little better in our clothes, having THE most efficient body ever isn't a higher priority than actually enjoying the food (and social situations which involve food) that we enjoyed before. For myself, I have been on and off of this site for years, because each time previously, I would change my diet so drastically that I felt deprived and would fall off the wagon. For me, it is imperative to my continuation with this weight-loss journey that I am able to eat with friends and family, and am able to have my favorite foods, so that I can continue to enjoy my life while working on my body. (This is not implying that there are not healthy AND delicious foods, but then I have to always be the one cooking to make sure I get them, which isn't realistic for my life)

    I agree that those who need their body to work like a well-oiled machine must eat in a different, cleaner way, but for the many of us that are starting from a very unhealthy place, smaller steps are better steps. I will most likely implement eating plan changes once I get a few months into this, but even then, if my family has a cookout I am darned sure going to eat some!

    Couldn't agree more :)
  • slkehl
    slkehl Posts: 3,801 Member
    People believe that you can lose weight and get ripped while eating any garbage you feel like, as long as you follow a specific calorie macro.

    Though I do not disagree with this way of thinking, I would love to see someone win a marathon while sticking to such a diet.

    Any takers for this challenge?

    I don't think you need any takers, you could probably find some athletes who have done marathons fuelled by junk food diet. Just look at Michael Phelps..etc.

    I'd bet my left arm that no Olympic athlete has been eating junk food to get where they are.

    Where can I collect that arm?

    Michael Phelps typical daily diet:

    Breakfast: Three fried-egg sandwiches loaded with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and mayonnaise. Two cups of coffee. One five-egg omelet. One bowl of grits. Three slices of French toast topped with powdered sugar. Three chocolate-chip pancakes.

    Lunch: One pound of enriched pasta. Two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayo on white bread. Energy drinks packing 1,000 calories.

    Dinner: One pound of pasta. An entire pizza. More energy drinks.

    I find it strange that people are so confident of their beliefs when they have done zero research on the topic. Or not even research, most people have heard through the grapevine about the crap Phelps eats.
  • ZeroWoIf
    ZeroWoIf Posts: 588 Member
    People believe that you can lose weight and get ripped while eating any garbage you feel like, as long as you follow a specific calorie macro.

    Though I do not disagree with this way of thinking, I would love to see someone win a marathon while sticking to such a diet.

    Any takers for this challenge?

    I don't think you need any takers, you could probably find some athletes who have done marathons fuelled by junk food diet. Just look at Michael Phelps..etc.

    I'd bet my left arm that no Olympic athlete has been eating junk food to get where they are.

    Where can I collect that arm?

    Michael Phelps typical daily diet:

    Breakfast: Three fried-egg sandwiches loaded with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and mayonnaise. Two cups of coffee. One five-egg omelet. One bowl of grits. Three slices of French toast topped with powdered sugar. Three chocolate-chip pancakes.

    Lunch: One pound of enriched pasta. Two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayo on white bread. Energy drinks packing 1,000 calories.

    Dinner: One pound of pasta. An entire pizza. More energy drinks.

    He's an endurance athlete and he needs to store energy. No one in here is an endurance athlete that trains 6 days a week for 5-6 hours. The guys basically burns about 7000-8000 calories from training alone. There are people who are extremely out of shape that are eating 5000-7000 of what he is eating with no exercise at all.
  • dlwyatt82
    dlwyatt82 Posts: 1,077 Member
    People believe that you can lose weight and get ripped while eating any garbage you feel like, as long as you follow a specific calorie macro.

    Though I do not disagree with this way of thinking, I would love to see someone win a marathon while sticking to such a diet.

    Any takers for this challenge?

    I don't think you need any takers, you could probably find some athletes who have done marathons fuelled by junk food diet. Just look at Michael Phelps..etc.

    I'd bet my left arm that no Olympic athlete has been eating junk food to get where they are.

    Where can I collect that arm?

    Michael Phelps typical daily diet:

    Breakfast: Three fried-egg sandwiches loaded with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and mayonnaise. Two cups of coffee. One five-egg omelet. One bowl of grits. Three slices of French toast topped with powdered sugar. Three chocolate-chip pancakes.

    Lunch: One pound of enriched pasta. Two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayo on white bread. Energy drinks packing 1,000 calories.

    Dinner: One pound of pasta. An entire pizza. More energy drinks.

    He's an endurance athlete and he needs to store energy. No one in here is an endurance athlete that trains 6 days a week for 5-6 hours. The guys basically burns about 7000-8000 calories from training alone. There are people who are extremely out of shape that are eating 5000-7000 of what he is eating with no exercise at all.

    So what? The "challenge" was that no elite athlete can get to where they are by eating junk, and just concentrating on how many calories they require. There was no distinction between what type of athlete or how much they train. Would it matter if he trained less, and ate less pasta / etc?

    Looks like Phelps fits the bill to me.
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,458 Member
    People believe that you can lose weight and get ripped while eating any garbage you feel like, as long as you follow a specific calorie macro.

    Though I do not disagree with this way of thinking, I would love to see someone win a marathon while sticking to such a diet.

    Any takers for this challenge?

    I don't think you need any takers, you could probably find some athletes who have done marathons fuelled by junk food diet. Just look at Michael Phelps..etc.

    I'd bet my left arm that no Olympic athlete has been eating junk food to get where they are.

    Where can I collect that arm?

    Michael Phelps typical daily diet:

    Breakfast: Three fried-egg sandwiches loaded with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and mayonnaise. Two cups of coffee. One five-egg omelet. One bowl of grits. Three slices of French toast topped with powdered sugar. Three chocolate-chip pancakes.

    Lunch: One pound of enriched pasta. Two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayo on white bread. Energy drinks packing 1,000 calories.

    Dinner: One pound of pasta. An entire pizza. More energy drinks.

    He's an endurance athlete and he needs to store energy. No one in here is an endurance athlete that trains 6 days a week for 5-6 hours. The guys basically burns about 7000-8000 calories from training alone. There are people who are extremely out of shape that are eating 5000-7000 of what he is eating with no exercise at all.

    So what? The "challenge" was that no elite athlete can get to where they are by eating junk, and just concentrating on how many calories they require. There was no distinction between what type of athlete or how much they train. Would it matter if he trained less, and ate less pasta / etc?

    Looks like Phelps fits the bill to me.

    Oh, you mean junk food like eggs, cheese, bread, lettuce, tomato, onion, eggs, flour, some sugar?

    I thought you meant ONLY junk food. Like the original hypothesis. You know, a Twinkie diet, with hot dogs and gummy bears. No eggs (protein - cheese - protein and good fats - lettuce, tomato, onion - um, veggies - pizza, still not unhealthy - pasta - yes, proportionally everyone needs carbs)....I don't consider Phelp's diet to be junk food. Just normal food. With a lot of protein. He probably ate a dozen eggs that day, too. He eats 10,000 cals, ferchissakes. No one could eat that in Twinkies and hot dogs.

    But thanks for playing.
  • dlwyatt82
    dlwyatt82 Posts: 1,077 Member
    Oh, you mean junk food like eggs, cheese, bread, lettuce, tomato, onion, eggs, flour, some sugar?

    I thought you meant ONLY junk food. Like the original hypothesis. You know, a Twinkie diet, with hot dogs and gummy bears. No eggs (protein - cheese - protein and good fats - lettuce, tomato, onion - um, veggies - pizza, still not unhealthy - pasta - yes, proportionally everyone needs carbs)....I don't consider Phelp's diet to be junk food. Just normal food. With a lot of protein. He probably ate a dozen eggs that day, too. He eats 10,000 cals, ferchissakes. No one could eat that in Twinkies and hot dogs.

    But thanks for playing.

    And where was "junk food" defined to mean only twinkies in this thread? Phelps' diet has a ridiculous amount of carbs, not "proportional" at all.
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member

    And where was "junk food" defined to mean only twinkies in this thread? Phelps' diet has a ridiculous amount of carbs, not "proportional" at all.

    Proportional to what?
  • slkehl
    slkehl Posts: 3,801 Member
    And where was "junk food" defined to mean only twinkies in this thread? Phelps' diet has a ridiculous amount of carbs, not "proportional" at all.

    This thread was not very specific, but it seems to be referring to athletes who don't make any particular effort eat healthy, not ones that strictly try to eat completely unhealthy foods. Like athletes that are on a strict diet versus those that eat as they please, which of course wouldn't be all junk. At least that's how I interpreted it.
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
    And where was "junk food" defined to mean only twinkies in this thread? Phelps' diet has a ridiculous amount of carbs, not "proportional" at all.

    This thread was not very specific, but it seems to be referring to athletes who don't make any particular effort eat healthy, not ones that strictly try to eat completely unhealthy foods. Like athletes that are on a strict diet versus those that eat as they please, which of course wouldn't be all junk. At least that's how I interpreted it.

    This is why I posted about context earlier. There's a massive difference between eating all junk and eating some junk. Granted with as high of a TDEE as Phelps has, he could probably be micronutrient sufficient eating mostly junk.
  • kiachu
    kiachu Posts: 409 Member
    I ate stacks of pancakes, biscuits, waffles, drenched in all the flavored syrups, every Saturday morning while on my contest prep and the night before my bodybuilding show. At cookies at the show, and I even had chick fil A between the morning show and the night show. :smile:
  • Sapporo
    Sapporo Posts: 693 Member
    I'm far off from doing this however my father has trained for a triathalon and was very successful. He ate everything in sight pretty much. Mostly the meat and potatoes with token small portion of canned veggies or salad he was brought up on plus a lot of pasta, fruits, and junk food. Someone working out that hard doesn't have to eat clean, you can only eat so much chicken and vegetables then top it up with whatever you want.
    I do think it is very different for someone who is already fit versus people trying to lose weight and even get to the point where they can run their first 5k or whatever.
  • hesn92
    hesn92 Posts: 5,966 Member
    Olympic athletes have to eat a ton of food because of how much they burn. It would be practically impossible to eat that many calories in all whole, healthy foods... they would be eating all day long.
  • llgeisz
    llgeisz Posts: 34 Member
    Well I can kind of attest to the OP's statement... I was 38 years old in great shape but ate crappy foods a lot (Mc Ds. taco bell pizza... etc.. to name a few) I was at a great weight and then all the sudden on fathers day Whamo heart attack... The fact is (with age comes wisdom.. sometimes) you can eat junk and loose weight but what is it doing to your body???

    I took me until this year to finally get it and start changing my eating lifestyle...
  • ZeroWoIf
    ZeroWoIf Posts: 588 Member
    People believe that you can lose weight and get ripped while eating any garbage you feel like, as long as you follow a specific calorie macro.

    Though I do not disagree with this way of thinking, I would love to see someone win a marathon while sticking to such a diet.

    Any takers for this challenge?

    I don't think you need any takers, you could probably find some athletes who have done marathons fuelled by junk food diet. Just look at Michael Phelps..etc.

    I'd bet my left arm that no Olympic athlete has been eating junk food to get where they are.

    Where can I collect that arm?

    Michael Phelps typical daily diet:

    Breakfast: Three fried-egg sandwiches loaded with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and mayonnaise. Two cups of coffee. One five-egg omelet. One bowl of grits. Three slices of French toast topped with powdered sugar. Three chocolate-chip pancakes.

    Lunch: One pound of enriched pasta. Two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayo on white bread. Energy drinks packing 1,000 calories.

    Dinner: One pound of pasta. An entire pizza. More energy drinks.

    He's an endurance athlete and he needs to store energy. No one in here is an endurance athlete that trains 6 days a week for 5-6 hours. The guys basically burns about 7000-8000 calories from training alone. There are people who are extremely out of shape that are eating 5000-7000 of what he is eating with no exercise at all.

    So what? The "challenge" was that no elite athlete can get to where they are by eating junk, and just concentrating on how many calories they require. There was no distinction between what type of athlete or how much they train. Would it matter if he trained less, and ate less pasta / etc?

    Looks like Phelps fits the bill to me.

    Let's say if the 12,000 calories to a million calories were to be true which only the media
    and fools would believe this bullcrap lets maybe considered a few things.

    Facts:

    Phelps began swimming as a competitor at the age of 7
    Phelps hasn't ate like this all his life obviously.
    Phelps didn't begin training this intense until this became his job, or up until his training required him to eat this much.
    Phelps made the Olympic team at the age of 15
    Not everything he is eating is actually junk food.
    Guy has been fit and active all his life almost.
    Once in a lifetime athlete in his sport, and any sport

    Pasta is a healthy source of fiber. If he doesn't have any type of ailment related to diabetes and his glucose levels are fine
    then there is no reason for him not to eat pasta.

    White bread is not considered junk food unless you have medical issues. We practically been eating
    white bread for years.

    Bananas are not junk food

    Eggs are not junk food even if fried with a clean source of oil

    Lettuce is not junk food

    Tomatoes is not junk food

    Grits are healthy and are a great source of fiber.

    Ham and cheese even while processed are considered healthy to eat

    Anyways, the funny thing is that we haven't see any videos of Phelps actually eating 12,000 calories so if you guys choose to believe this kool aid that has been questioned for some time then feel free to do it. What we do see videos of is idiots in youtube trying to take the "michael phelps challenge". He has been asked in interviews about him eating 12,000 calories and his reply to it sounds more like someone that is unsure or something that you would expect from someone not really complying with what is believed. In one interview his reply was that he eats as many calories as he can and didn't say he was eating all the food that was shown to him. Never did he directly said that he eats all that. Another Olympic trainer and nutritionist that has worked with many runners and athletes in the past also believed he ate closer to 8000 calories more likely. Eating 12,000 calories would require the athlete to spend most of the day eating.

    Back to topic

    The thread starter basically wanted to see a marathon runner get by having a diet that is fueled by junk food.

    Define junk food for me? A marathon runner needs to be fully hydrated, and carb load before a marathon from good sources such as pasta, potatoes, sweet potatoes, and lots of greens such as the ones that come from spinach, broccoli and etc. A food that contains no fiber, or the essential minerals to keep your body function is what is considered junk food. No fiber, no potassium, heavy on sodium, low in protein, simple carbohydrates, full of bad fats, vitamin deficient, nutrient deficient, and etc.

    No athlete would get by at all with a junk food diet such as the one that I describing. You would have no play no sports, or never have if you don't understand this. Most strength coaches in high school for football even with a mediocre knowledge of nutrition will tell their athletes to rest the day before the event, get rest, eat lots of pasta, drink lots of water, and eat as much healthy food that you can for a reason.
  • kiachu
    kiachu Posts: 409 Member
    But the OP said you can't get ripped and lean while eating junk food then compared that to a marathoner. So is he talking about being ripped and lean or is his talking about performance? You can get ripped and lean eating crappy food as long as your macro-nutrients support ripped leaness and you energy expenditure is in balance with your intake.
  • ZeroWoIf
    ZeroWoIf Posts: 588 Member
    But the OP said you can't get ripped and lean while eating junk food then compared that to a marathoner. So is he talking about being ripped and lean or is his talking about performance? You can get ripped and lean eating crappy food as long as your macro-nutrients support ripped leaness and you energy expenditure is in balance with your intake.

    lol

    I hear this a lot but no one ever comes up with a junk food plan for getting ripped and lean. I also really doubt you eat junk food to look like you do.
  • chivalryder
    chivalryder Posts: 4,391 Member
    People believe that you can lose weight and get ripped while eating any garbage you feel like, as long as you follow a specific calorie macro.

    Though I do not disagree with this way of thinking, I would love to see someone win a marathon while sticking to such a diet.

    Any takers for this challenge?

    I don't think you need any takers, you could probably find some athletes who have done marathons fuelled by junk food diet. Just look at Michael Phelps..etc.

    I'd bet my left arm that no Olympic athlete has been eating junk food to get where they are.

    Where can I collect that arm?

    Michael Phelps typical daily diet:

    Breakfast: Three fried-egg sandwiches loaded with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and mayonnaise. Two cups of coffee. One five-egg omelet. One bowl of grits. Three slices of French toast topped with powdered sugar. Three chocolate-chip pancakes.

    Lunch: One pound of enriched pasta. Two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayo on white bread. Energy drinks packing 1,000 calories.

    Dinner: One pound of pasta. An entire pizza. More energy drinks.

    I would like to point out that this IS a rather clean diet. By "garbage" I generally mean processed garbage like chicken fingers, frozen pizza, candy, cheap ice cream, soda, etc etc etc.

    Eggs, bread, ham, pasta, any vegetable, etc., (Basically everything in M. Phelp's diet) IS good nutritious foods. Sure, it can be fried, but if he's using olive oil, he's getting good fats. More fats than a endurance athlete will want, but swimming is more of a sprint-type sport where big muscles and glycogen stores are more important than long-term stamina.

    I'll just reiterate: That diet, aside from the energy drinks and pizza, is a good diet.
  • ZeroWoIf
    ZeroWoIf Posts: 588 Member
    People believe that you can lose weight and get ripped while eating any garbage you feel like, as long as you follow a specific calorie macro.

    Though I do not disagree with this way of thinking, I would love to see someone win a marathon while sticking to such a diet.

    Any takers for this challenge?

    I don't think you need any takers, you could probably find some athletes who have done marathons fuelled by junk food diet. Just look at Michael Phelps..etc.

    I'd bet my left arm that no Olympic athlete has been eating junk food to get where they are.

    Where can I collect that arm?

    Michael Phelps typical daily diet:

    Breakfast: Three fried-egg sandwiches loaded with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and mayonnaise. Two cups of coffee. One five-egg omelet. One bowl of grits. Three slices of French toast topped with powdered sugar. Three chocolate-chip pancakes.

    Lunch: One pound of enriched pasta. Two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayo on white bread. Energy drinks packing 1,000 calories.

    Dinner: One pound of pasta. An entire pizza. More energy drinks.

    I would like to point out that this IS a rather clean diet. By "garbage" I generally mean processed garbage like chicken fingers, frozen pizza, candy, cheap ice cream, soda, etc etc etc.

    Eggs, bread, ham, pasta, any vegetable, etc., (Basically everything in M. Phelp's diet) IS good nutritious foods. Sure, it can be fried, but if he's using olive oil, he's getting good fats. More fats than a endurance athlete will want, but swimming is more of a sprint-type sport where big muscles and glycogen stores are more important than long-term stamina.

    I'll just reiterate: That diet, aside from the energy drinks and pizza, is a good diet.


    Read my post above ejean86, I basically requested people here to define junk food but ended up defining it myself, and providing some information.
  • chivalryder
    chivalryder Posts: 4,391 Member
    People believe that you can lose weight and get ripped while eating any garbage you feel like, as long as you follow a specific calorie macro.

    Though I do not disagree with this way of thinking, I would love to see someone win a marathon while sticking to such a diet.

    Any takers for this challenge?

    I don't think you need any takers, you could probably find some athletes who have done marathons fuelled by junk food diet. Just look at Michael Phelps..etc.

    I'd bet my left arm that no Olympic athlete has been eating junk food to get where they are.

    Where can I collect that arm?

    Michael Phelps typical daily diet:

    Breakfast: Three fried-egg sandwiches loaded with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and mayonnaise. Two cups of coffee. One five-egg omelet. One bowl of grits. Three slices of French toast topped with powdered sugar. Three chocolate-chip pancakes.

    Lunch: One pound of enriched pasta. Two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayo on white bread. Energy drinks packing 1,000 calories.

    Dinner: One pound of pasta. An entire pizza. More energy drinks.

    He's an endurance athlete and he needs to store energy. No one in here is an endurance athlete that trains 6 days a week for 5-6 hours. The guys basically burns about 7000-8000 calories from training alone. There are people who are extremely out of shape that are eating 5000-7000 of what he is eating with no exercise at all.

    So what? The "challenge" was that no elite athlete can get to where they are by eating junk, and just concentrating on how many calories they require. There was no distinction between what type of athlete or how much they train. Would it matter if he trained less, and ate less pasta / etc?

    Looks like Phelps fits the bill to me.

    Let's say if the 12,000 calories to a million calories were to be true which only the media
    and fools would believe this bullcrap lets maybe considered a few things.

    Facts:

    Phelps began swimming as a competitor at the age of 7
    Phelps hasn't ate like this all his life obviously.
    Phelps didn't begin training this intense until this became his job, or up until his training required him to eat this much.
    Phelps made the Olympic team at the age of 15
    Not everything he is eating is actually junk food.
    Guy has been fit and active all his life almost.
    Once in a lifetime athlete in his sport, and any sport

    Pasta is a healthy source of fiber. If he doesn't have any type of ailment related to diabetes and his glucose levels are fine
    then there is no reason for him not to eat pasta.

    White bread is not considered junk food unless you have medical issues. We practically been eating
    white bread for years.

    Bananas are not junk food

    Eggs are not junk food even if fried with a clean source of oil

    Lettuce is not junk food

    Tomatoes is not junk food

    Grits are healthy and are a great source of fiber.

    Ham and cheese even while processed are considered healthy to eat

    Anyways, the funny thing is that we haven't see any videos of Phelps actually eating 12,000 calories so if you guys choose to believe this kool aid that has been questioned for some time then feel free to do it. What we do see videos of is idiots in youtube trying to take the "michael phelps challenge". He has been asked in interviews about him eating 12,000 calories and his reply to it sounds more like someone that is unsure or something that you would expect from someone not really complying with what is believed. In one interview his reply was that he eats as many calories as he can and didn't say he was eating all the food that was shown to him. Never did he directly said that he eats all that. Another Olympic trainer and nutritionist that has worked with many runners and athletes in the past also believed he ate closer to 8000 calories more likely. Eating 12,000 calories would require the athlete to spend most of the day eating.

    Back to topic

    The thread starter basically wanted to see a marathon runner get by having a diet that is fueled by junk food.

    Define junk food for me? A marathon runner needs to be fully hydrated, and carb load before a marathon from good sources such as pasta, potatoes, sweet potatoes, and lots of greens such as the ones that come from spinach, broccoli and etc. A food that contains no fiber, or the essential minerals to keep your body function is what is considered junk food. No fiber, no potassium, heavy on sodium, low in protein, simple carbohydrates, full of bad fats, vitamin deficient, nutrient deficient, and etc.

    No athlete would get by at all with a junk food diet such as the one that I describing. You would have no play no sports, or never have if you don't understand this. Most strength coaches in high school for football even with a mediocre knowledge of nutrition will tell their athletes to rest the day before the event, get rest, eat lots of pasta, drink lots of water, and eat as much healthy food that you can for a reason.

    ^^^ This is exactly what I was talking about.

    If anyone wants a good, clear definition, read the first chapter of Chris Carmicheal's Food for Fitness. It's about 20 pages on why certain foods are better than others.
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
    I would like to point out that this IS a rather clean diet. By "garbage" I generally mean processed garbage like chicken fingers, frozen pizza, candy, cheap ice cream, soda, etc etc etc.

    Eggs, bread, ham, pasta, any vegetable, etc., (Basically everything in M. Phelp's diet) IS good nutritious foods. Sure, it can be fried, but if he's using olive oil, he's getting good fats. More fats than a endurance athlete will want, but swimming is more of a sprint-type sport where big muscles and glycogen stores are more important than long-term stamina.

    I'll just reiterate: That diet, aside from the energy drinks and pizza, is a good diet.

    Can you also quantify your original post?

    Are you questioning athletes who would consume a diet that is 100% junk? 50% junk? 20% junk? I think this is an important distinction.
  • Crochetluvr
    Crochetluvr Posts: 3,363 Member
    "NBC commentator Bob Costas rattled off Phelps' breakfast menu, which includes three sandwiches of fried eggs, cheese, lettuce, tomato, fried onions, mayonnaise, an omelet, a bowl of grits, three slices of French toast with powdered sugar, and three chocolate-chip pancakes."

    Now the portion sizes aren't listed but if you are working off what you take in, you CAN eat pretty much anything you want.

    ETA - Phelps also said he eats lots of pizza and pasta.
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