Supplement questions....

bubbie520334

HI!! I have started lifting (toning and building muscle) as well as cardio. I have significiantly changed my eating habits by trying hard to eliminate white sugar and white flour. I am not eating as many veggies as I should but it's a work in progress.
I have 100+ lbs to loose.
I would like to find a natural supplement that will help repair my muscles after lifting and also a nutritional supplement and/or fat burner.
Any suggestions?!!?!

Acg67

Protein containing whole foods

Caffeine

WhoTheHellIsBen

Many studies have heralded capsasin as a fantastic thermogenic which helps lead to burning fat. Capsasin is found naturally in peppers, the hotter the pepper the higher the content so this is a great excuse to throw some raw peppers ontop of any meal and go to town or slice yourself up some green pepper sticks (no put the ranch dressing down!) If you have no tolerance for peppers, WalMart sells Cayenne pepper extract in thier vitamin section for a few dollars.
If you are on the fly after a work out and cannot indulge in whole foods a good protein shake will get you by. Nitrocore64 from Optimum Nutrition is a pretty solid one and the flavors are great, I agree with Acg67 on doing whole foods where possible though, lots of boneless skinless chicken breast meat, eggs whites mix well in shakes, lean Salmon and Talapia. I highly suggest investing in a good set of measuring cups and a food scale, you may be shocked to see the actual portions you are taking in

dixiewhiskey

I use CLA (Conjugated Linoleic Acid), Green Tea Extract.. CLA has mostly positive reviews nothing recent.. some buff folks say they don't like it but its worked really well for me and I'm 5' 5" 184lbs.

You can either buy it separately or as part of a kit.

I use a kit by Genuine Health that combines them both (abs+ & lean+ extra strength). I don't know if they have products in USA but I've used their products on and off for years and they work well for me. My doctor OK'd it and I've lost 2" already because of healthy eating, exercise and the CLA. This is my first time having to use CLA so I definitely see the difference in weight/fat loss after having two kids.

dixiewhiskey

Oh and don't forget Whey Protein... you can buy it in different flavours. I blend it in with yogurt or different fruit.. its up to you

ToughTulip

Protein containing whole foods

Caffeine

Yup! No need for supplements. You can get it in your diet

dixiewhiskey

I highly suggest investing in a good set of measuring cups and a food scale, you may be shocked to see the actual portions you are taking in

SO true

quill16

Not a fan of supplements. Real food high in protein is available. Greek yogurt, egg white, nuts,fat free cheese, beans(edemame). I also use protein bars when I need a take along snack. My favs are Nature Valley potein fit bars, South beach protein bars, Lara bars. Just make sure they are not cereal bars with low protein and high carbs (you have to read labels)

bubbie520334

Caffeine
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Caffeine in the form of what?

ALH1981

I use CLA (Conjugated Linoleic Acid), Green Tea Extract.. CLA has mostly positive reviews nothing recent.. some buff folks say they don't like it but its worked really well for me and I'm 5' 5" 184lbs.

You can either buy it separately or as part of a kit.

I use a kit by Genuine Health that combines them both (abs+ & lean+ extra strength). I don't know if they have products in USA but I've used their products on and off for years and they work well for me. My doctor OK'd it and I've lost 2" already because of healthy eating, exercise and the CLA. This is my first time having to use CLA so I definitely see the difference in weight/fat loss after having two kids.

Im very intersted in theis CLA - what is the use and what have the results been????

erickirb

Caffeine

Caffeine in the form of what?
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any form, black coffee would be my preference.

haylz247

i agree with buying a scale. portion control is so important.

i use usn cla 1000 and usn cla thermo. not at the same time! seems to work.

i also take usn diet fuel powder.

bubbie520334

You guys ROCK!!!!!!!!!! Thank you Thank you Thank you!!

Ok - So my diet has a lot of protein from whole foods. I do weigh my food and measure - I was completely shocked actually about some things! Especially condiments!
I love Greek yogurt and have been incorporating chia seeds which also have protein. I guess I am most concerned about my vitamins that I may or may not be getting from my diet.
I do my best to eat a well rounded meals, 6 or more but I am on the go a lot so sometimes it’s difficult. Low fat string cheese, celery, carrots and Eggies have become my best friends! And cubed up chicken breast with a little Ms. Dash. That’s an easy finger food too. Is it enough?

bubbie520334

Black coffee it is I can handle that.

Acg67

I use CLA (Conjugated Linoleic Acid), Green Tea Extract.. CLA has mostly positive reviews nothing recent.. some buff folks say they don't like it but its worked really well for me and I'm 5' 5" 184lbs.

You can either buy it separately or as part of a kit.

I use a kit by Genuine Health that combines them both (abs+ & lean+ extra strength). I don't know if they have products in USA but I've used their products on and off for years and they work well for me. My doctor OK'd it and I've lost 2" already because of healthy eating, exercise and the CLA. This is my first time having to use CLA so I definitely see the difference in weight/fat loss after having two kids.

Im very intersted in theis CLA - what is the use and what have the results been????

The use is to lighten your wallet. Supplemental CLA has been mostly shown to be ineffective for weight loss

dixiewhiskey

I use CLA (Conjugated Linoleic Acid), Green Tea Extract.. CLA has mostly positive reviews nothing recent.. some buff folks say they don't like it but its worked really well for me and I'm 5' 5" 184lbs.

You can either buy it separately or as part of a kit.

I use a kit by Genuine Health that combines them both (abs+ & lean+ extra strength). I don't know if they have products in USA but I've used their products on and off for years and they work well for me. My doctor OK'd it and I've lost 2" already because of healthy eating, exercise and the CLA. This is my first time having to use CLA so I definitely see the difference in weight/fat loss after having two kids.

Im very intersted in theis CLA - what is the use and what have the results been????

Actually unlike with the guy with the 6 pack said, its actually been shown to reduce body fat in overweight and obese individuals who take 3400g or more a day. For the guy with the 6 pack, its obviously useless because he doesn't appear to have much body fat so naturally it would make sense that it wouldn't work for people like him.

Now I have been trim before but after two kids and 50+ lbs weight gain for both, I have put on body fat. I am now 184.5 lbs. I've been taking this at 6000mg/daily for 9 days (lower dose previous week) and have lost 6 inches which 2 of those are from my waist in the first week. I got those results obviously from healthy eating and exercise every day but when I worked out in the past, I lost more weight but I wasn't reducing body fat %. I've lost 3 lbs in 1st week (2 lbs assumed water) but I've lost inches and KEPT the muscle I have been building this week. I am actually seeing definition in areas where there hasn't been in years since having kids. I spent a long time at the gym before I had children and never got results like what I'm getting.

They did a study of this in Toronto from a University I attended and I agree with the results 100%. They mentioned that also can't take CLA alone but it should be taken with Green Tea Extract, Forslean, etc,. You can google how much of these extracts you should be getting in a day to be effective.. I can't remember the exact number but the supplement I'm taking with the CLA has enough to be effective. There has been some research that suggests diabetics and those at risk of developing diabetics shouldn't take it. I have had my blood tested because this was mentioned in some studies and my physician says everything is great and to keep doing what I am doing.

I don't care what anyone says.. I have over 30 lbs of body fat to lose. People who have serious tone won't find it to work and I commend their results and hard work but for what I'm trying to do it works for me and I recommend it for anyone who has a lot of body fat. Just my two cents and my experience.. find out for yourself. Add me if you'd like to keep up with my results.

dixiewhiskey

i agree with buying a scale. portion control is so important.

i use usn cla 1000 and usn cla thermo. not at the same time! seems to work.

i also take usn diet fuel powder.

Glad to see someone else who uses a form of CLA. Rock on

EatClean_WashUrNuts

Protein containing whole foods

Caffeine

THIS.

Anything else is a processed broken down supplement.

There are NO PROVEN SUPPLEMENTS to be that Magic Pill.

dixiewhiskey

You guys ROCK!!!!!!!!!! Thank you Thank you Thank you!!

Ok - So my diet has a lot of protein from whole foods. I do weigh my food and measure - I was completely shocked actually about some things! Especially condiments!
I love Greek yogurt and have been incorporating chia seeds which also have protein. I guess I am most concerned about my vitamins that I may or may not be getting from my diet.
I do my best to eat a well rounded meals, 6 or more but I am on the go a lot so sometimes it’s difficult. Low fat string cheese, celery, carrots and Eggies have become my best friends! And cubed up chicken breast with a little Ms. Dash. That’s an easy finger food too. Is it enough?

How much do you weigh?

Generally you need 0.8 grams per kilogram of body weight per day. If you are trying to lose body fat (or weight for those who are fixated on numbers), you will need more protein per day.

I think you have lots of protein but you may want to calculate it just to be sure.

EatClean_WashUrNuts

Actually unlike with the guy with the 6 pack said, its actually been shown to reduce body fat in overweight and obese individuals who take 3400g or more a day. For the guy with the 6 pack, its obviously useless because he doesn't appear to have much body fat so naturally it would make sense that it wouldn't work for people like him.

Now I have been trim before but after two kids and 50+ lbs weight gain for both, I have put on body fat. I am now 184.5 lbs. I've been taking this at 6000mg/daily for 9 days (lower dose previous week) and have lost 6 inches which 2 of those are from my waist in the first week. I got those results obviously from healthy eating and exercise every day but when I worked out in the past, I lost more weight but I wasn't reducing body fat %. I've lost 3 lbs in 1st week (2 lbs assumed water) but I've lost inches and KEPT the muscle I have been building this week. I am actually seeing definition in areas where there hasn't been in years since having kids. I spent a long time at the gym before I had children and never got results like what I'm getting.

They did a study of this in Toronto from a University I attended and I agree with the results 100%. They mentioned that also can't take CLA alone but it should be taken with Green Tea Extract, Forslean, etc,. You can google how much of these extracts you should be getting in a day to be effective.. I can't remember the exact number but the supplement I'm taking with the CLA has enough to be effective. There has been some research that suggests diabetics and those at risk of developing diabetics shouldn't take it. I have had my blood tested because this was mentioned in some studies and my physician says everything is great and to keep doing what I am doing.

I don't care what anyone says.. I have over 30 lbs of body fat to lose. People who have serious tone won't find it to work and I commend their results and hard work but for what I'm trying to do it works for me and I recommend it for anyone who has a lot of body fat. Just my two cents and my experience.. find out for yourself. Add me if you'd like to keep up with my results.

Keep your money. CLA is only proven to assist as an anticancer.
Unless you want to waste money into using higher dosage (3.2g) than what is the recommended dose along with a complex combination of other supplements (more money), use the KISS factor.
Please remember that the OP asked for NATURAL options. Supplements are not "Natural"


EDIT: I've used CLA and other supplements and have had equal success just by working out regularly and eating right.

ericgAU

I'm bulking right now and one of the ways I'm keeping fat at bay is with CLA. It's been clinically proven to work. A number of studies have been done. Refer this http://www.ajcn.org/content/85/5/1203.abstract.

If you have the money, there's nothing wrong with using a protein supplement.

girlcube

I agree with everyone who suggested eating clean and black coffee.

This won't help you lose fat, but occasionally, when I know I'm going to get get a little ouchy after a lifting day (or new routine/activity), I pop a couple of BCAA supplements pre and/or post workout.

This makes getting out of bed the next day (and subsequent workout) much more bearable.

dixiewhiskey

Actually unlike with the guy with the 6 pack said, its actually been shown to reduce body fat in overweight and obese individuals who take 3400g or more a day. For the guy with the 6 pack, its obviously useless because he doesn't appear to have much body fat so naturally it would make sense that it wouldn't work for people like him.

Now I have been trim before but after two kids and 50+ lbs weight gain for both, I have put on body fat. I am now 184.5 lbs. I've been taking this at 6000mg/daily for 9 days (lower dose previous week) and have lost 6 inches which 2 of those are from my waist in the first week. I got those results obviously from healthy eating and exercise every day but when I worked out in the past, I lost more weight but I wasn't reducing body fat %. I've lost 3 lbs in 1st week (2 lbs assumed water) but I've lost inches and KEPT the muscle I have been building this week. I am actually seeing definition in areas where there hasn't been in years since having kids. I spent a long time at the gym before I had children and never got results like what I'm getting.

They did a study of this in Toronto from a University I attended and I agree with the results 100%. They mentioned that also can't take CLA alone but it should be taken with Green Tea Extract, Forslean, etc,. You can google how much of these extracts you should be getting in a day to be effective.. I can't remember the exact number but the supplement I'm taking with the CLA has enough to be effective. There has been some research that suggests diabetics and those at risk of developing diabetics shouldn't take it. I have had my blood tested because this was mentioned in some studies and my physician says everything is great and to keep doing what I am doing.

I don't care what anyone says.. I have over 30 lbs of body fat to lose. People who have serious tone won't find it to work and I commend their results and hard work but for what I'm trying to do it works for me and I recommend it for anyone who has a lot of body fat. Just my two cents and my experience.. find out for yourself. Add me if you'd like to keep up with my results.

Keep your money. CLA is only proven to assist as an anticancer.
Unless you want to waste money into using higher dosage (3.2g) than what is the recommended dose along with a complex combination of other supplements (more money), use the KISS factor.
Please remember that the OP asked for NATURAL options. Supplements are not "Natural"


EDIT: I've used CLA and other supplements and have had equal success just by working out regularly and eating right.

Actually, recommended dose total per day for CLA can be up to 6000mg/daily or 6g. Anything more than that hasn't been proven to increase fat loss and is unknown as to whether it is healthy to consume any more than 6g a day. CLA isomers 9, 10 and 12 have been proven to also decrease body fat composition in obese and overweight people.

There have been so many American studies on CLA that just allow people in the study to eat crap food like McDonalds then come in expecting like CLA is a miracle pill rather than trying to study the effects of CLA on people who eat healthy and exercise. In the University of Toronto study by Dr Rao and Andrews, all subjects were to eat healthy and exercise. It was pretty evident in the paper that those who did not lose weight were either taking the placebo (olive oil) or cheated their diet and that was a small percentage on both sides.

Futhermore, OP asked for Natural.. Please remember there are various supplements that are natural but are in softgel and powder form. Plenty that provide up to 6000mg a day through 2-3 dosage periods as well. Nothing wrong with that. You would have been better off just telling the OP to eat beef and cheese if she wants "natural CLA" instead of trying to tell OP that its ineffective. Not helpful.

dixiewhiskey

I'm bulking right now and one of the ways I'm keeping fat at bay is with CLA. It's been clinically proven to work. A number of studies have been done. Refer this http://www.ajcn.org/content/85/5/1203.abstract.

If you have the money, there's nothing wrong with using a protein supplement.

Glad its working for you too.. sad that it doesn't seem to work for some people.

I agree as well and would highly recommend getting protein supplements too. Great for after a workout or a good boost in the morning. I use mine after workouts to help muscles recover from the workout.

dixiewhiskey

I agree with everyone who suggested eating clean and black coffee.

This won't help you lose fat, but occasionally, when I know I'm going to get get a little ouchy after a lifting day (or new routine/activity), I pop a couple of BCAA supplements pre and/or post workout.

This makes getting out of bed the next day (and subsequent workout) much more bearable.

BCAA supplements are great! OP can try this as well. I personally don't them all the time but they do help for after the workout.

Is coffee good for you? Serious question here. It's not something I looked into because I hate coffee but I'm curious to know what you know

akaOtherWise

Actually unlike with the guy with the 6 pack said, its actually been shown to reduce body fat in overweight and obese individuals who take 3400g or more a day. For the guy with the 6 pack, its obviously useless because he doesn't appear to have much body fat so naturally it would make sense that it wouldn't work for people like him.

posting for Acg67...or the "guy with the 6 pack"
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20060310/study-cla-doesnt-keep-pounds-off

"Researchers found that obese people who took the supplement for one year did not lose any more weight than those who took a placebo."

befitandfearless

Drink a lot of green tea! Helps speed up metabolism and burn fat.

I also always have a Whey Protein shake in the morning for fast acting protein; Whey is the easiest protein to be absorbed quickly by our organism.

&At night I have a Casein Protein shake for slow acting protein; It helps you stay fuller longer and provides building material for muscle recovery which occurs mostly when sleeping.

This is what I swear by, I don't like taking to much supplements and try to keep everything natural.

JNick77

I would like to find a natural supplement that will help repair my muscles after lifting and also a nutritional supplement and/or fat burner.

Metabolism: You can keep it simple and drink some black coffee prior to exercise

Recovery: Aside from eating a good diet with good proteins, supplementing with Leucine isn't a bad idea at all.

Acg67

I use CLA (Conjugated Linoleic Acid), Green Tea Extract.. CLA has mostly positive reviews nothing recent.. some buff folks say they don't like it but its worked really well for me and I'm 5' 5" 184lbs.

You can either buy it separately or as part of a kit.

I use a kit by Genuine Health that combines them both (abs+ & lean+ extra strength). I don't know if they have products in USA but I've used their products on and off for years and they work well for me. My doctor OK'd it and I've lost 2" already because of healthy eating, exercise and the CLA. This is my first time having to use CLA so I definitely see the difference in weight/fat loss after having two kids.

Im very intersted in theis CLA - what is the use and what have the results been????

Actually unlike with the guy with the 6 pack said, its actually been shown to reduce body fat in overweight and obese individuals who take 3400g or more a day. For the guy with the 6 pack, its obviously useless because he doesn't appear to have much body fat so naturally it would make sense that it wouldn't work for people like him.

Now I have been trim before but after two kids and 50+ lbs weight gain for both, I have put on body fat. I am now 184.5 lbs. I've been taking this at 6000mg/daily for 9 days (lower dose previous week) and have lost 6 inches which 2 of those are from my waist in the first week. I got those results obviously from healthy eating and exercise every day but when I worked out in the past, I lost more weight but I wasn't reducing body fat %. I've lost 3 lbs in 1st week (2 lbs assumed water) but I've lost inches and KEPT the muscle I have been building this week. I am actually seeing definition in areas where there hasn't been in years since having kids. I spent a long time at the gym before I had children and never got results like what I'm getting.

They did a study of this in Toronto from a University I attended and I agree with the results 100%. They mentioned that also can't take CLA alone but it should be taken with Green Tea Extract, Forslean, etc,. You can google how much of these extracts you should be getting in a day to be effective.. I can't remember the exact number but the supplement I'm taking with the CLA has enough to be effective. There has been some research that suggests diabetics and those at risk of developing diabetics shouldn't take it. I have had my blood tested because this was mentioned in some studies and my physician says everything is great and to keep doing what I am doing.

I don't care what anyone says.. I have over 30 lbs of body fat to lose. People who have serious tone won't find it to work and I commend their results and hard work but for what I'm trying to do it works for me and I recommend it for anyone who has a lot of body fat. Just my two cents and my experience.. find out for yourself. Add me if you'd like to keep up with my results.

Can you link me to the study? I looked for it and couldn't find it

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=University of Toronto, cla

Now read the bolded, why is that? And does that not confound things? How did they control calories and macros among the groups?

And I didn't base my statement on personal experience, here you go. They all show little or no effect for CLA on body comp

Beuker F, Haak H, Schwietz H. , editors. CLA and body styling. Symposium: Vitamine und Zusatzstoffe; Jena (Thhr.) 1999

Kreider RB, Ferreira MP, Greenwood M, Wilson M, Almada AL. Effects of conjugated linoleic acid supplementation during resistance training on body composition, bone density, strength, and selected hematological markers. J Strength Cond Res. 2002;16(3):325–34

Malpuech-Brugere C, Verboeket-van de Venne WP, Mensink RP, Arnal MA, Morio B, Brandolini M, Saebo A, Lassel TS, Chardigny JM, Sebedio JL, Beaufrere B. Effects of two conjugated linoleic Acid isomers on body fat mass in overweight humans. Obes Res. 2004;12(4):591–8

Medina EA, Horn WF, Keim NL, Havel PJ, Benito P, Kelley DS, Nelson GJ, Erickson KL. Conjugated linoleic acid supplementation in humans: effects on circulating leptin concentrations and appetite. Lipids. 2000;35(7):783–8.

Salas-Salvado J, Marquez-Sandoval F, Bullo M. Conjugated linoleic acid intake in humans: a systematic review focusing on its effect on body composition, glucose, and lipid metabolism. Crit Rev Food Sci Nutr. 2006;46(6):479–88.

Von Loeffelholz C. Influence of conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) supplementation on body composition and strength in bodybuilders. Jena (Thnr) 1999

Wang YW, Jones PJ. Conjugated linoleic acid and obesity control: efficacy and mechanisms. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2004;28(8):941–55

Zambell KL, Keim NL, Van Loan MD, Gale B, Benito P, Kelley DS, Nelson GJ. Conjugated linoleic acid supplementation in humans: effects on body composition and energy expenditure. Lipids. 2000;35(7):777–82

AnvilHead

Acg67 - now don't go confusing all the hype and mythology by injecting facts and actual scientific studies into the mix! :bigsmile:

dixiewhiskey

I use CLA (Conjugated Linoleic Acid), Green Tea Extract.. CLA has mostly positive reviews nothing recent.. some buff folks say they don't like it but its worked really well for me and I'm 5' 5" 184lbs.

You can either buy it separately or as part of a kit.

I use a kit by Genuine Health that combines them both (abs+ & lean+ extra strength). I don't know if they have products in USA but I've used their products on and off for years and they work well for me. My doctor OK'd it and I've lost 2" already because of healthy eating, exercise and the CLA. This is my first time having to use CLA so I definitely see the difference in weight/fat loss after having two kids.

Im very intersted in theis CLA - what is the use and what have the results been????

Actually unlike with the guy with the 6 pack said, its actually been shown to reduce body fat in overweight and obese individuals who take 3400g or more a day. For the guy with the 6 pack, its obviously useless because he doesn't appear to have much body fat so naturally it would make sense that it wouldn't work for people like him.

Now I have been trim before but after two kids and 50+ lbs weight gain for both, I have put on body fat. I am now 184.5 lbs. I've been taking this at 6000mg/daily for 9 days (lower dose previous week) and have lost 6 inches which 2 of those are from my waist in the first week. I got those results obviously from healthy eating and exercise every day but when I worked out in the past, I lost more weight but I wasn't reducing body fat %. I've lost 3 lbs in 1st week (2 lbs assumed water) but I've lost inches and KEPT the muscle I have been building this week. I am actually seeing definition in areas where there hasn't been in years since having kids. I spent a long time at the gym before I had children and never got results like what I'm getting.

They did a study of this in Toronto from a University I attended and I agree with the results 100%. They mentioned that also can't take CLA alone but it should be taken with Green Tea Extract, Forslean, etc,. You can google how much of these extracts you should be getting in a day to be effective.. I can't remember the exact number but the supplement I'm taking with the CLA has enough to be effective. There has been some research that suggests diabetics and those at risk of developing diabetics shouldn't take it. I have had my blood tested because this was mentioned in some studies and my physician says everything is great and to keep doing what I am doing.

I don't care what anyone says.. I have over 30 lbs of body fat to lose. People who have serious tone won't find it to work and I commend their results and hard work but for what I'm trying to do it works for me and I recommend it for anyone who has a lot of body fat. Just my two cents and my experience.. find out for yourself. Add me if you'd like to keep up with my results.

Can you link me to the study? I looked for it and couldn't find it

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=University of Toronto, cla

Now read the bolded, why is that? And does that not confound things? How did they control calories and macros among the groups?

And I didn't base my statement on personal experience, here you go. They all show little or no effect for CLA on body comp

Beuker F, Haak H, Schwietz H. , editors. CLA and body styling. Symposium: Vitamine und Zusatzstoffe; Jena (Thhr.) 1999

Kreider RB, Ferreira MP, Greenwood M, Wilson M, Almada AL. Effects of conjugated linoleic acid supplementation during resistance training on body composition, bone density, strength, and selected hematological markers. J Strength Cond Res. 2002;16(3):325–34

Malpuech-Brugere C, Verboeket-van de Venne WP, Mensink RP, Arnal MA, Morio B, Brandolini M, Saebo A, Lassel TS, Chardigny JM, Sebedio JL, Beaufrere B. Effects of two conjugated linoleic Acid isomers on body fat mass in overweight humans. Obes Res. 2004;12(4):591–8

Medina EA, Horn WF, Keim NL, Havel PJ, Benito P, Kelley DS, Nelson GJ, Erickson KL. Conjugated linoleic acid supplementation in humans: effects on circulating leptin concentrations and appetite. Lipids. 2000;35(7):783–8.

Salas-Salvado J, Marquez-Sandoval F, Bullo M. Conjugated linoleic acid intake in humans: a systematic review focusing on its effect on body composition, glucose, and lipid metabolism. Crit Rev Food Sci Nutr. 2006;46(6):479–88.

Von Loeffelholz C. Influence of conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) supplementation on body composition and strength in bodybuilders. Jena (Thnr) 1999

Wang YW, Jones PJ. Conjugated linoleic acid and obesity control: efficacy and mechanisms. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2004;28(8):941–55

Zambell KL, Keim NL, Van Loan MD, Gale B, Benito P, Kelley DS, Nelson GJ. Conjugated linoleic acid supplementation in humans: effects on body composition and energy expenditure. Lipids. 2000;35(7):777–82

It has been published in Journal of Herbs, Spices & Medicinal Plants 2006 on pgs 67 to 76.. maybe you should purchase a copy. Or come to the University and ask the Doctors themselves. I really think more research needs to be done because none of the American studies I've read on CLA even suggest that any of the studies mention specific info on the weight ranges of people who are considered obese/overweight, nor the body types, diet (other than they were permitted to eat crap food), possible thyroid issues, etc? All the studies outside of the US have suggested that CLA MAY**** help change body composition along with diet and exercise. None of the studies I've ever read from any country state what kind of body fat CLA can reduce if any.. viseral fat? And to be honest, its hard to take most American studies seriously as they only study American people who eat American food.. food, obesity percentage and lifestyle are different in so many other countries.

There is simply not enough proof either way so I'm willing to compromise. I am genuinely empathetic when I say I'm sorry that you spent money and it didn't work for you and for the others here who didn't benefit. But from my personal experience, I've lost 10" in total in the last 9 days since I've been taking it. Three years ago without CLA, I was much younger and lost "weight" but never truly lost body fat and I worked my a- off.

It's too bad everyone is so busy trying to prove me wrong instead of congratulating those who have had success with it. lol

Actually unlike with the guy with the 6 pack said, its actually been shown to reduce body fat in overweight and obese individuals who take 3400g or more a day. For the guy with the 6 pack, its obviously useless because he doesn't appear to have much body fat so naturally it would make sense that it wouldn't work for people like him.

posting for Acg67...or the "guy with the 6 pack"
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20060310/study-cla-doesnt-keep-pounds-off

"Researchers found that obese people who took the supplement for one year did not lose any more weight than those who took a placebo."

WebMD, the place people go when they are too cheap and lazy to go to a doctor.