Advice needed on handling hunger

dshgna

I used to be 75kgs in 2009. Then I came down to 55kg's in approximately 4 months basically due to a very strict diet. And managed to stay at 55kg till the start of this year. I didn't do any more dieting and my weight would hover between a maximum of 58kgs and a minimum of 52kgs

Then since June this year, I had a very busy schedule. I yo-yo dieted and missed my breakfast and sometimes dinner too. Now in August, back to my normal schedule, I rapidly gained weight. I have gained 5kg and am 60kg. And I feel horrid, my love handles and tummy feel like bursting with the fat. I swear I can feel the fat growing LOL!

So, finally the decision for healthy eating plus diet for long lasting weight loss. i started this Thursday. And I've already got some problems.

1. I feel hungry throughout the day. Even if I eat little, my tummy really fills up but I still feel hungry. And I drink plenty of water too! Any suggestions?

2. I started aerobics exercise and its really fun, but I've been experiencing muscle ache all over my body. Should I continue the exercise or stop till the ache dies down?

skinnyone2012

I am learning quick. Can you open your diary so we can see what you are eating? And how much water are you drinking? I know some people that say a 16oz bottle is a lot.

I_love_frogs

I am learning quick. Can you open your diary so we can see what you are eating? And how much water are you drinking? I know some people that say a 16oz bottle is a lot.

16 oz isn't a lot imho... should be drinking much more than that. Try to get in at least 6-10 cups <48-100 oz> per day if you can.

dshgna

Opened:)

MoonyRose

Sorry, out of curiosity how tall are you? 50kg sounds low to be as a goal weight, but I'm 5"10 haha! xx

Chipmunk222

I try to drink at least half my body weight in water, I weigh 140 so I try to drink 70 oz.

susanswan

I don't understand what a lot of your food is. Looks like it is processed/prepared meals possibly from a restaurant. My suggestion is to eat produce. Lots of produce. IT has few calories, lots of micronutrients which are the key to satisfying your hunger. When your body gets nutrition, you feel satisfied. Plus fresh produce take up a lot of room in your tummy.

dshgna

yoyo dieting = a sign of not eating enough
hunger = a sign of not eating enough.

What do you conclude?

I do not yo-yo diet anymore.
And if I ate as much as to satisfy my hunger, I'd well exceed my calorie limit!

ChrystalDutton

Drink at least 16oz of water right after you finish eating....it makes you feel fuller!

dshgna

I don't understand what a lot of your food is. Looks like it is processed/prepared meals possibly from a restaurant. My suggestion is to eat produce. Lots of produce. IT has few calories, lots of micronutrients which are the key to satisfying your hunger. When your body gets nutrition, you feel satisfied. Plus fresh produce take up a lot of room in your tummy.

I am Asian, thus the unfamiliarity of food for you:).

They are home prepared meals. Hmm...yes, I will give eating products a try:)

shapfell

Its not how much you eat but what you eat. Try to make sure you have some protein with each meal, eggs, cheese, meat etc as carbohydrates fill you up quickly but are digested quickly too and leave you feeling hungry. That's why the Atkins diet worked, all protein which kept you full but was very bad for you healthwise. Try to plan out your meals, look at the MyFitnessPal log and see protein, carbs etc for each meal I have never been able to drink water on its own unless Sparkling but think as long as you drink things like tea, coffee etc you will manage the 8 glasses. Its not a diet its a way of life and unless you can strike the balance between what you need and what you like you will go back to eating badly.

lhackney111

I would also be curious to know how tall you are. I am 5'3" and weigh 140 and my goal is 125. At 125 that puts my BMI at a healthy level. If you are my height and 110 that puts you close to the underweight level. So first I would make sure your goal is healthy. If it is then I would suggest eating veggies to curb hunger or a handful of nuts with a low or no calorie beverage. As for the exercise some soreness is normal in the beginning and should ease off as your body adjust to the new movements and stress that it's getting. Good luck.

dshgna

Sorry, out of curiosity how tall are you? 50kg sounds low to be as a goal weight, but I'm 5"10 haha! xx

5' 2 1/2" LOL! I'm petite and my dream weight would be somewhere between 46-48kgs!

AllTehBeers

Here's a great article copied from http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/
This site is full of great info

9 Ways to Deal with Hunger on a Diet

Diets fail for a lot of reasons but one of the primary ones is simply hunger. I discussed this sort of tangentially in the research review Why Do Obese People not Lose More Weight When Treated with Low-Calorie Diets and one of the comments on that article is what prompted me to write this article.

What is Hunger?

To say that human hunger is complicated is a vast understatement. To cover it in detail would require a series of articles or perhaps an entire book. Research continues to uncover numerous interacting and overlapping hormones (such as leptin, ghrelin, peptide YY, GLP-1 and others) that monitor how much and what someone is eating (along with their body weight) and those all send a signal to the brain that drives a number of processes, not the least of which is hunger.

Now, it would be truly simple if that’s all there was to it but humans also eat/get hungry for non-physiological reasons. We get hungry out of boredom, because we are at a party and it’s expected that we eat, because we just saw a commercial for some food we like and many others.

Simplistically, we might differentiate these different drivers of hunger into physiological and psychological factors although, as I discussed in the article Dieting Psychology vs. Dieting Physiology, the distinction between the two is not only false but increasingly fuzzy. Physiological drives can manifest themselves as ‘psychological’ hunger and psychological factors can affect physiology.

However, even though the distinction is a false one, it is often useful practically to make that division and I”ll be doing so through the rest of that article.

Sufficed to say that human hunger is exceedingly complicated and finding out ways to deal with hunger while dieting is a huge first step in making diets more effective. And with that said, in no particular order of importance, here are 9 Ways to Deal with Hunger on a Diet.

1. Eat More Lean Protein

While dietitians continue to squabble over whether carbohydrates or fats are more filling in the short-term, the data is actually abundantly clear: protein beats them both out. Increasing amounts of research has shown that both acutely and in the long-term, higher protein intakes help blunt hunger. It also helps that, as long as you’re dealing with sources of lean protein (low-fat fish, skinless chicken, even low-fat red meat), it can be tough to get a lot of calories from protein in the first place.

I’d also note that there are many other reasons to consume sufficient amounts of lean protein on a weight loss diet including blood glucose stability and sparing of muscle mass loss. It’s also worth mentioning that a lot of the benefits that are often attributed to ‘low-carbohydrate’ diets have more to do with the increased protein intake; the benefits occur because they are ‘high-protein’.

2. Eat Fruit

For odd reasons fruit has gotten a bad rap for dieting, at least in the athletic and bodybuilding subculture but little could be further from the truth. One aspect of hunger has to do with the status of liver glycogen, when liver glycogen is emptied, a signal is sent to the brain that can stimulate hunger; the corollary is that replenishing liver glycogen tends to make people feel fuller.

The fructose component of fruit works to refill liver glycogen and folks who include a moderate amount of fruit in their weight loss diets often report feeling much less hungry. That’s in addition to the other benefits of fruit (fiber, nutrients). Oh yeah, eat whole fruit, stay away from fruit juice.

3. Eat More Fiber

No list of this sort would be complete without the mention of fiber. Fiber can help with hunger in at least two ways. The first is that the physical ‘stretching’ of the stomach is one of many signals about how much food has been eaten; when the stomach is physically stretched the brain thinks you’re full. High-fiber/high-volume foods (e.g. foods that have a lot of volume for few calories) accomplish that most effectively.

Additionally, fiber slows gastric emptying, the rate at which food leave the stomach. By keeping foods in the stomach longer, a high-fiber intake keeps folks full longer. Basically, mom was right, eat your vegetables.

4. Eat (At-Least) Moderate Amounts of Dietary Fat

Ignoring the debate I mentioned above about carbs versus fat and hunger, the simple fact is that exceedingly low-fat diets tend to leave a lot of people hungry in both the short- and long-term. Tying in with my comments about fiber in Number 3, dietary fat also slows gastric emptying (hence the aphorism that high-fat meals really stick to the ribs). While dietary fat does little to blunt hunger in the short-term, moderate intakes tend to keep people fuller longer between meals since the meal sits in the stomach longer.

As well, exceedingly low-fat diets often taste like cardboard, tying into some of the comments I made initially about psychological effects of dieting; people won’t follow a diet that doesn’t taste good for very long. Dietary fat gives food a certain mouth-feel and very low-fat diets remove that, leaving people dissatisfied. The diet usually ends shortly after that.

Research has shown that moderate fat diets improve adherence to dieting and, with rare exceptions, I don’t suggest taking dietary fat much lower than 20-25% of total calories on a fat loss diet. In some cases (such as very low-carbohydrate diets), it may be higher than this.

5. Exercise

I’m hesitant to mention exercise in this article simply because the response to it can vary drastically in terms of hunger control on a diet. Doing the topic justice would take a complete article in and of itself but here I’m going to give a quick overview.

Basically, through myriad overlapping mechanisms, exercise has the potential to increase hunger, decrease hunger or have no effect. Some of the effects are purely physiological. On the one hand, exercise increases leptin transport into the brain which should help some of the other hunger signals work better. On the other hand, some people can get a blood glucose crash with exercise (this is especially true in the early stages of a program) and this can stimulate hunger. Most research suggests that exercise has, if anything, a net benefit in terms of hunger control but it’s even more complicated than that.

Whether or not exercise helps with hunger control ends up interacting with psychological factors that I’m not going to detail here. Some research suggests that people ‘couple’ exercise with their diet. The underlying psychlogy seems to be along the lines of “I exercised today, why would I ruin that by blowing my diet.” That’s good.

However, another category of people often use exercise as an excuse to eat more. The underlying psychology seems to be “I must have burned at least 1000 calories in exercise, I earned that cheeseburger and milkshake.” Of course, since people basically always over-estimate how many calories they burned with exercise, they end up doing more harm than good.

The short-version of this point is this: for some people, regular exercise (and it may not be anything more than a brisk walk) has a profound benefit on keeping them on their diet. And for others it tends to backfire.

6. Consider Intermittent Fasting (IF’ing)

IF’ing is a current dietary trend that, while exact definitions vary, basically refers to a pattern where someone fasts for some portion of the day (perhaps 16-20 hours) and eats most of their food during a short ‘eating period’. Various interpretations are out there but there is emerging research showing a variety of health benefits from this style of eating.

In the context of this article, IF’ing can be particularly valuable for smaller dieters who simply don’t get to eat a lot of food each day. A small female trying to subsist on 1000-1200 calories per day and trying to eat 3-4 times per day is only getting a few small, relatively unsatisfying meals per day.

However, if that same dieter fasts most of the day (many find that hunger goes away after an initial spike in the morning), she can eat 1-2 significantly larger (and more satisfying) meals later in the day.

If you’re interested in IF’ing, I’d direct you to Martin Berkhan’s Leangains.com for the absolute best source of IF information on the net. Martin is currently working on a book on IF’ing and I, for one, can’t wait to see it.

7. Use Appetite Suppressants

The history of diet drugs is a mixed bag but, for the most part, diet drugs have fallen into one of two major categories: metabolic enhancers and appetite suppressants. Sometimes the drugs do both. Now, used without changes in diet and activity, these drugs tend to only have small and transient effects.

But the simple fact is that they can help a diet. The old Dexatrim (containing pseudoephedrine HCL) was actually very nice in that it blunted hunger without over-stimulating the person but it’s not available any more. I’m personally a big fan of the ephedrine/caffeine stack.

Despite scare-mongering to the contrary, EC used properly (e.g. don’t take 3X the recommended dose) is actually quite safe and has both potent appetite suppressant effects along with boosting metabolic rate slightly. Hell, I thought EC was important enough that I gave it an entire chapter in The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook.

Which isn’t to say that I think every dieter should be using/abusing appetite suppressants from day 1. At least try the non-drug strategies first; but when the hunger is clawing at you making you want to quit your diet, consider using one.

8. Be more Flexible Towards Your Dieting

This is another topic that really deserves a book to fully discuss. I’d say that I need to write that book but the fact is that I already did, the topics I’m going to briefly look at here are discussed in detail in A Guide to Flexible Dieting.

Let me address this topic with a question “What would you do if I told you you could never have something again?” Assume it’s something you like or want, how would you react? Odds are you’d want it that much more, right. It’s human nature, we want what we’re told we can’t have.

Guess what, that’s dieting. Or at least how many dieters approach dieting. Many diets are predicated on some food being bad, off-limits or what have you; dieters go into the diet thinking “I can’t ever eat XXX again in my life” which just makes them want XXX that much more. This is one of the psychological aspects of hunger I mentioned in the introduction.

And, of course, the followup to this is that when dieters do eventually eat XXX (and they will), then they just feel guilty and miserable, figure the diet is blown and eat the entire bag or box of XXX and abandon the diet altogether.

It’s truly a damaging approach to dieting and research has clearly shown that the type of rigid dieter I’m describing above (who expects absolute perfection from their diet or it’s a failure) do worse than more flexible dieters.

The reality is that, within the context of a long-term diet, even small deviations don’t really do much harm (unless the person goes berserk and makes it harmful). That is, say you’re on a diet and you eat a couple hundred calories of cookies because you really wanted them. If you’ve dieted the past 6 days, that’s no big deal. However, if you decide that you are a worthless piece of crap with no willpower and eat another 1000 calories of cookies; well you made it into a problem. Understand?

I always recommend that dieters use strategies like free meals (non-diet meals, preferably eaten out of the house), refeeds (extended periods of deliberate high-carbohydrate over-consumption) and full diet breaks (periods of 10-14 days where the diet is abandoned for maintenance) when they diet. It keeps people from falling into the rigid dieting trap that, invariably, backfires. Again, all of the details can be found in A Guide to Flexible Dieting.

9. Suck it Up or Stay Fat

I want to make it clear that I’m not being facetious with the title of this one; and I’m only being slightly obnoxious. Even if you do everything I talked about above, apply every strategy perfectly, the reality is that you will probably still have some hunger on a diet.

Well…too bad. The simple fact is that losing weight requires eating less than you’re burning and this will, at some point, generate hunger. Now, there are exceptions, extremely overweight individuals often find that they have no appetite in the initial stages of dieting but the reality is that eventually hunger will rear it’s ugly head.

At which point every dieter is faced with a fundamental choice which, put simply is this “What’s more important to me, losing weight, or eating this food?” I’d note that this is also a reason I’m so adamant about the flexible dieting strategies, at least one way of dealing with food cravings is to include them in the diet in a controlled fashion. That way the dieter is controlling the diet, instead of the other way around.

But even with that, hunger is a reality of dieting no matter what else you do. Now, you can try to reframe it (Tom Venuto in his new book suggested telling yourself that “Hunger is fatness leaving the body.”) or you can simply accept it (yes, I know, very Zen) and move on.

But none of that makes the hunger away, it’s just you trying to trick yourself out of feeling bad about it. When that point is reached, there are only two options that I’m going to put very bluntly.

You can suck it up or stay fat.

After you’ve gotten your protein and fruit and fiber and fat and appetite supressants and exercise and flexible dieting strategies down pat, when hunger rears its ugly head, those are the only two options left.

dshgna

I try to drink at least half my body weight in water, I weigh 140 so I try to drink 70 oz.

Cool! Will definetely try it out!

MelissaGraham7

The above 9 ways is spot on - well, except I personally would not take appetite suppressants. For me, high protein and high fiber foods are extremely filling so I don't suffer from being hungry - just make different choices about what you eat so you are filling up and being healthier! and there is something to say about having to Suck it Up!!

mattlcass

I've found that if I stick with high fiber foods I'm pretty much always full...

Also I started going by the wait game, eat a serving and wait 20 minutes, if I'm still hungry I'll eat a little more assuming I have a calorie budget left.

Other than that I try to drink a glass of water before a meal, during, and then one after. Gets my water out of the day as well!

TheRealParisLove

I try to eat a lot of protein and fiber early in the day, and that seems to work to keep me satisfied. I aim for 30 grams of protein before lunch, and 25-35 grams of fiber through the day overall.

Since you have a small amount to lose, you need to change your macros so that you are consuming a lot more protein and less carbs. Some here have their macros set to 10% carbs, but that is too low to get much fiber. I am about the same size as you, with about the same amount to lose and I aim for 100 or more grams of protein a day.

Just keep changing things up until you find something that works for you. Being hungry all the time is not sustainable, so you are going to have to figure out how to feel full while eating under your TDEE.

AllTehBeers

The above 9 ways is spot on - well, except I personally would not take appetite suppressants. For me, high protein and high fiber foods are extremely filling so I don't suffer from being hungry - just make different choices about what you eat so you are filling up and being healthier! and there is something to say about having to Suck it Up!!

Agreed. I'm not for appetite suppressants either but the rest is pretty good info. I also love the Suck it Up one. Sometimes you just have to be hungry.

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dovesgate

Sorry, out of curiosity how tall are you? 50kg sounds low to be as a goal weight, but I'm 5"10 haha! xx

5' 2 1/2" LOL! I'm petite and my dream weight would be somewhere between 46-48kgs!

According to Healthstatus.com your healthy weight range is 109-136lbs or 49.4-61.6kgs. Congrats, you're still at a normal, healthy weight for your size even if it's on the higher end of the range.

If you take Pu's suggestion and increase your calories to the correct amount then add lifting, you'll not only be able to eat even more but you'll be absolutely gorgeous.