Doctor says I don't need to lose anymore weight :(
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Your protein needs to come up to 35% minimum, less cardio, and your Dr. is correct. No more weight loss - it is time to add muscle and tone. BMI - PUKE - do not follow this - EVERYONE is different and I am not sure why all these calculators can take that into effect when each person puts in their numbers.
If you add more strength and track it while eating your maint. calories you will start to tone and add muscle. Your scale will change anywhere from 2-4 lbs no matter what - this was stated by my Dr and over the last ten months...I have found he is right.
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Well, just yesterday I switched over to taking my measurements over the scale. I'm at:
Neck: 16"
Waist: 40.5"
Hips: 40.25"
The idea of weight lifting has me overwhelmed
I know I can figure it out, I just need a good place to start. Like I said before, I do have dumb bells to start with.
So 30 Day Shred is useless to me? I am still JUST able to keep up with the strength portion of the level one workout.0 -
My Advice...
Listen to your doctor... begin eating at maintenance level.. Change up your work outs with more weight training and less cardio.. This will cause you to gain weight in the form of sexy lean muscle.. That spare tire will be gone.
This guy speaks the truth. I started lifting and I gained from my original goal weight--but am smaller than ever. Body composition > weight on a scale. My doctor says she's perfectly happy with where I'm at with how healthy my stats are and how I look. Good enough for me.0 -
I agree with the BMI may not be accurate. My husband is a Marine. His BMI tells him hes overweight at 204 5'10-5'11. And the marine corps will say he is overweight due to his weight....BUT he "tapes" out. He's ALL MUSCLE and you can see it. Therefore even tho he weighs more he has a very low fat %... So thats why I believe it can be misleading.
If you wanna lose more you can, but I think you should focus on toning... lift and lift again!0 -
nahhh if you have a spare tire..you can't spot reduce it off..f..you need to lose it.... I'd keep working out..lift..and eat at a small deficit. Can't help but wonder how the doctor looks? And would he or she want their love interest to have a spare tire? or is that good enough for patient..but not for them?0
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My Advice...
Listen to your doctor... begin eating at maintenance level.. Change up your work outs with more weight training and less cardio.. This will cause you to gain weight in the form of sexy lean muscle.. That spare tire will be gone.
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Change doesn't happen in your comfort zone..
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Well, just yesterday I switched over to taking my measurements over the scale. I'm at:
Neck: 16"
Waist: 40.5"
Hips: 40.25"
The idea of weight lifting has me overwhelmed I know I can figure it out, I just need a good place to start. Like I said before, I do have dumb bells to start with.
So 30 Day Shred is useless to me? I am still JUST able to keep up with the strength portion of the level one workout.
P90X (or X2), Chalean Extreme or programs like Strong Lift 5x5 (if you want to go to the gym or have an in home gym) are all more effective. 30DS is endurance training and heavy in cardio. Large amounts of cardio can lead to muscle loss and fat retention as it creates a large calorie deficit. So if you want to be lean and cut, slow down the cardio. Now HIIT, for whatever reason, can help with fat loss but I don't believe it's more effective than weight training.0 -
So, I'm 40 years old, 6' 2", and at 189 lbs.
... I asked about the spare tire I still want to lose, and she thinks that will happen if I keep working out, without a calorie deficit.
I'm 41 years old and 6' 2" and currently weigh 212. Absolutely no spare tire at all. (Look at my last photo. That was at 225) The difference is that I hit the weights really hard 3-4 times a week. It makes all the difference in the world. Switch up to eating maintenance calories, continue to do some light cardio several times a week and start kicking those weights around the gym. Don't worry about gaining a few pounds. You'll see some body composition change within a few months and you can slowly trim out a few calories to help with that spare tire.
Focus on the strength training, get 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight, and within a couple months start back with a very slight calorie deficit. The strength training is what tells your body to retain lean muscle mass when you're cutting. Don't neglect it.0 -
My Advice...
Listen to your doctor... begin eating at maintenance level.. Change up your work outs with more weight training and less cardio.. This will cause you to gain weight in the form of sexy lean muscle.. That spare tire will be gone.
Exactly what I was going to say!
Ditto.0 -
If you eat at maintenance, and work out consistently 5-6 days a week, pound out every work out you will see the results you want.
Change doesn't happen in your comfort zone..
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So, I'm 40 years old, 6' 2", and at 189 lbs. I work out every day but Sunday. 30 Day Shred 4 times a week, and jogging twice a week.
I drink lots of water, I don't eat much processed junk at all, eat lots of fruits and veggies, and have my protein intake up to around 25%. I am on the high healthy range of the BMI scale.
I just got my physical today, and my doctor doesn't think I need to lose any more weight. She thinks the BMI scale expects people to be a lower weight than they should be. I asked about the spare tire I still want to lose, and she thinks that will happen if I keep working out, without a calorie deficit.
I know she's my doctor, but I still wanted to see what you guys thought.
Thanks for any feedback!
Work out, eat back your calories. Do a lot of muscle building exercises, like weight training, pushups, etc. It'll burn the body fat but keep the weight.0 -
My Advice...
Listen to your doctor... begin eating at maintenance level.. Change up your work outs with more weight training and less cardio.. This will cause you to gain weight in the form of sexy lean muscle.. That spare tire will be gone.
I agree. If you have doubts about your doctor's advice, talk about it with her so that you understand where she's coming from and she understands your thoughts and goals.0 -
My Advice...
Listen to your doctor... begin eating at maintenance level.. Change up your work outs with more weight training and less cardio.. This will cause you to gain weight in the form of sexy lean muscle.. That spare tire will be gone.
GREAT ADVICE0 -
My Advice...
Listen to your doctor... begin eating at maintenance level.. Change up your work outs with more weight training and less cardio.. This will cause you to gain weight in the form of sexy lean muscle.. That spare tire will be gone.
I agree with this ^^^
Upping your calorie intake isn't going to hurt your weight loss. I was eating only 1660 calories a day and I wasn't losing so I upped my calories to maintenance and I started dropping weight.
If you start doing weights, don't think you're doing cardio and get all excited and do too much, you will hurt yourself... I think you should incorporate some weights if you're not already doing them but only like once a week in the beggining and still do cardio. Weights and cardio can't substitute for each other, they are each important in their own ways.
Good luck honey and I think its wise to get additional opinions.. some doctors are... fruitcakes0 -
The idea of weight lifting has me overwhelmed I know I can figure it out, I just need a good place to start.
Check the "New Rules of Lifting" books from the library. I'm following the Abs title, which focuses on a strong core - not on a six pack.
I prefer shorter, compound lift sessions, and (so far) the Abs book has kept my attention and improved my core strength.
My SO's weight and height is similar to your own, and he is not a naturally bulky guy (I would consider him between small and medium in frame). He could certainly lose a couple more pounds of fat and still be healthy.
Additionally, just as doctor's typically do not have a good nutrition background (and generally do not have a strong basis for giving such advice), I worry that many of them have their "healthy human" cues reset to "healthy enough." You might consider consulting a dietitian or nutritionist for a second opinion.
For everyone, please remember that doctors are not perfect, cannot know everything, and mainly went to school to heal sickness, not improve the healthy. I've fired more doctors than I can list because their stock answer to a health question is like being in a commercial, "I have a pill for that!" So not the kind of answer I am seeking.0 -
First thing I would do is ditch the scale, and listen to the doctor, weight training is key, you can still get rid of that spare tire without dropping a lot more weight.0
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Thanks guys.
What scares me is I already changed my calorie intake from 2 lbs lost a week to 1 lb lost a week, and I gained 4 lbs! Now, I know that could be because of a range of reasons. Maybe it's muscle? Maybe I didn't poop yet? Who knows. It still makes me nervous to up my calories AGAIN
Every time you change up your diet or exercise, your body will respond by holding on to water. It's nearly impossible to gain 4 pounds of actual fat in one week (it takes 3500 calories to make a pound of fat), and I don't think even men can put on 4 pounds of muscle in one week... So don't panic, drink extra water to help flush your system, and don't fear the calories. Just up them a little bit at a time until you hit maintenance and you should be fine.0 -
How are doctors going to make any money if you are healthy?0
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My doctor has said the same thing. But that doesn't prevent me from re-shaping my body and changing its composition. You can lose fat but be gaining muscle if you are exercising the right way.
I've got a medium to large build which means in terms of BMI, I don't look too good if I go below the middle of the BMI scale - I start to look scrawny. My BMI is now 24, which seems high, but I can now focus on fitness and body fat reduction.0 -
There are a lot of (reasonable) arguments about BMI. And more muscle will give you a higher BMI than average. Healthy BMI guidelines have dropped in the last few years. The choice of 25 v 27 as the cut-off was somewhat arbitrary in terms of health risk. BMI is a crude, but easy to calculate measure of obesity as a health risk.
That said, the people who make those arguments make it because they say the enemy is abdominal fat, not weight per se. Especially for guys. And that is where guys are apt to put on the weight.
Exercise without a calorie deficit will not take off weight. It will tone your muscles. If you have deposited fat, it will only come off if i is being used.
My son is also 6'2". He has always been very lean. He left for the Peace Corps a year ago at 155 pounds (all muscle) and is now probably 135 (too thin).
IMO: Thinner will not hurt you and abdominal fat will. Exercise will help you keep it off and look awesome.0 -
BMI is an inexact science. At 6'2" 189 pounds, your BMI is 24.3. At 5'11" 160, mine is 22.3. Both are in the normal range.0
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So, I'm 40 years old, 6' 2", and at 189 lbs. I work out every day but Sunday. 30 Day Shred 4 times a week, and jogging twice a week.
I drink lots of water, I don't eat much processed junk at all, eat lots of fruits and veggies, and have my protein intake up to around 25%. I am on the high healthy range of the BMI scale.
I just got my physical today, and my doctor doesn't think I need to lose any more weight. She thinks the BMI scale expects people to be a lower weight than they should be. I asked about the spare tire I still want to lose, and she thinks that will happen if I keep working out, without a calorie deficit.
I know she's my doctor, but I still wanted to see what you guys thought.
Thanks for any feedback!
I agree with your doctor. BMI is a useful tool, but shouldn't be taken as gospel for everyone. Weight training will help your spare tire.0 -
Well, I'm definitely not in my comfort zone
I COULD do the 30 Day Shred instead of one of the days of cardio, but the last time I did 30 Day Shred every day, I inured myself. Maybe I could replace the cardio with JUST weight lifting?
Is it possible to do some good weight training without a lot of equipment? Right now I have a dumb bell set.
You can do good workouts with just bodyweight. You may want to check out some of the links in the bodyweight training group here. All you would need is a pull-up bar and maybe a couple of other things. I am just trying out the "You Are your own Gym" app on my droid. I highly recommend the book it is based on "You Are your own Gym" by Mark Lauren as one of the best bodyweight training books out there.
Weights will get you there quicker as you can increase the resistance easier. In my opinion a minimal weight setup would be a power cage, bench and preferably olympic style barbell set of probably about 300 pounds. Shopping around on things like Kijiji and Craigslist could find you those for a decent price, and there are some stores out there that have good prices on them as well.
As for your initial question, that weight sounds reasonable for someone who is 6'2".
As for the weight gain going from 2 pounds to 1 pound per week, my guess is at 2 pounds per week you were eating well below your BMR which has negatively effected your metabolism because you have been doing so for a long time. (One of the reasons 1 pound per week is better unless a person is morbidly obese). Your body will adjust, but it will take time. You will likely see some weight gain because of this. If I did the 2 pounds per week here I would be eating 1200ish calories plus my exercise calories because the cut off here is set for women not men. The generally recognized minimum for men is 1500 calories not 1200. BTW, I did do 1200 for a while until I realized the long term effect of that. Now I eat around 2000 calories a day and still lose.0 -
call me rebellious-- but since you asked for "opinions," I'll share..... I think doctors are idiots, and people should listen to their advice at their own peril.
They're regurgitating facts they learned from textbooks. They simply had the ability in medical school to remember enough facts to pass enough tests to get a license.
Take everyone's opinion, including your doctor's as just that....our opinion.
And then make your decision based on what is right and wise for you and your body.0 -
Yep, you don't need to lose more just shift what you have. That is what I am working on too. Try upping your protein to about 30-40%. I do 40% carbs, 40% protein, and 20% fat ( good fats) everyone is different but this seems to work best of rme. I am 5'8 and 141 right now.
I switched to weights in addition to cardio and I have lost one inch off my waist and only lost 1 pound.
I am following the Body For Life for women.0 -
Thanks everyone. This is super helpful.
If I eat at maintenance level, should I also eat back the calories I burn exercising?0 -
Does this look like a decent program for me to start with? If so, how do I decide what to set the weight for?
http://www.fitnessmagazine.com/workout/lose-weight/build-strength/strength-training-for-beginners/
1. Dumbbell chest press (works chest)
Lie on a bench, elbows bent 90 degrees out to sides; straighten arms up and return.
2. One-arm dumbbell row (works upper back)
Stand with legs hip-width apart and place one hand on bench, opposite arm holding weight; draw elbow up toward ribs and lower.
3. Biceps curl (works biceps)
Stand with arms extended, palms up, and curl weights toward shoulders.
4. Triceps extension (works triceps)
Stand with legs hip-width apart. Lean forward from waist, elbows bent 90 degrees at your sides; straighten arms behind you.
5. Lateral raise (works shoulders)
Stand with arms down by your sides, palms in; raise straight arms to shoulder height.
6. Basic squat (works legs/butt)
7. Front lunge (works legs/butt)
8. Bicycle (works abs)
Lie face-up on floor, bend opposite elbow to knee, then switch sides.
9. Superman (works lower back)
Lie facedown on floor and lift opposite arm/leg; switch sides.0 -
Trial and error. If you pick up a dumbbell and find you can do the exercise 20 times then increase the weight. If you find that you can only do the exercise 4 times, then decrease the weight. I personally think that the optimal range is between 6-12 reps before failure. If you're inside of that area then you're doing some good.Does this look like a decent program for me to start with? If so, how do I decide what to set the weight for?
As far as starting exercises, read through this page and pick one of the starting programs he suggests.
http://4chanfit.wikia.com/wiki/Harsh's_Worksheet_(WIP)
There are quite a few starting programs and they all have their own pluses and minuses. I don't know which one works best for you but the important thing is to pick one and start doing it. Best of luck.0 -
I am 6'2" and should be in the 189 -191 range by the end of this week. Like you I still have a "small sparetire" that I would like to lose, I just cannot make my self do the lifting I would need to do to get rid of it. I am a cyclist and I still would like to lose between 5-8 lbs (that is a ton of weight off the bike) and then switch over to maintenance. However, like you I did change my loss per week rate and saw a small spike, but it is gone and was more than likely mostly water / my body holding onto food. BMI may be crap, but as someone else said is it easy to get your head wrapped around.... I just want top be in the upper 25% of it.
all that said, as a cyclist everytime I climb a hill I find myself telling myself I am too fat for this sport....0
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