Overweight people won't gain anything going from 30

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  • LordBear
    LordBear Posts: 239 Member
    umm... im sorry u still gain something. ur still burning and building endurance and strength.
  • Webona293
    Webona293 Posts: 39 Member
    So what does all this mumbo jumbo mean in a nutshell? That I should be doing cardio in 30 minute sessions and would 2 30 mintute sessions of cardio at different times of day burn the same amount of fat each time?
  • GauchoMark
    GauchoMark Posts: 1,804 Member
    So what does all this mumbo jumbo mean in a nutshell? That I should be doing cardio in 30 minute sessions and would 2 30 mintute sessions of cardio at different times of day burn the same amount of fat each time?

    In my opinion, it means not to worry about this study right now. Follow a plan with a reasonable calorie deficit consistently, exercise how you see fit to keep your lean body mass, and you will lose weight.
  • this1bigdog
    this1bigdog Posts: 350 Member
    Follow a plan with a reasonable calorie deficit consistently, exercise how you see fit to keep your lean body mass, and you will lose weight.

    Agree

    if this study was true..then it would mean those people who lose 60 in 12 weeks are liars, while I admit is very very very hard to do...it can be done...period! if you had all the time in the world to exercise and watched your food intake...then you too can lose 60 lbs in 12 weeks..but most of us have desk jobs and don't get the luxury of working out all day...if this study were true then people who do manual labor all day would "ALL" be out of shape...funny how they are not...go figure...
  • neverstray
    neverstray Posts: 3,845 Member
    So what does all this mumbo jumbo mean in a nutshell? That I should be doing cardio in 30 minute sessions and would 2 30 mintute sessions of cardio at different times of day burn the same amount of fat each time?

    In my opinion, it means not to worry about this study right now. Follow a plan with a reasonable calorie deficit consistently, exercise how you see fit to keep your lean body mass, and you will lose weight.

    Maybe, if you live in a cave. But, this just supports many other studies around HITT. This has been around since the late 70's early 80's. It's nothing new.

    For those who don't know HITT is where you do short bursts of intensity. How I do it is when running, I'll sprint for half a mile, then go back to my normal pace for a mile, then burst again for a half mile, then back to slow for a mile. My understanding is you don't stop and rest, you just rest at a resting pace. That's how I do it, anyway.
  • ironanimal
    ironanimal Posts: 5,922 Member
    I just do HIIT.


    But when I did longer sessions, it was for the purpose of creating a caloric deficit not "fat burning".

    What is this? I've heard of it before but don't understand.. :embarassed:


    It is High Intense Interval Training
    You put your body through short bursts of intense physical exertion...with small resting periods in between. It helps to confuse the muscles, and revs up the metabolism & heart rate very quickly!

    Ahh, Duh =p Like doing Crossfit?
    Depends on the workout. Think sprint intervals with slower running and walking between.
  • wdmom
    wdmom Posts: 24 Member
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  • k2quiere
    k2quiere Posts: 4,151 Member
    I'm thinking the difference is in whether we think the ONLY way to change your body is to burn fat. Also the fact that the first part mentions overweight people on a caloric deficit makes me wonder what kind of deficit. Normally when a seriously overweight person goes on a deficit, it is extreme, which could account for why the burn does not have the same effect.

    I don't know; I can't believe that one has to kill themselves in the gym for hours, but I also can't believe that any exercise can be considered a waste of time. Without all the fact, I'm just not sold on the idea.
  • rileysowner
    rileysowner Posts: 8,336 Member
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  • myofibril
    myofibril Posts: 4,500 Member
    So what does all this mumbo jumbo mean in a nutshell? That I should be doing cardio in 30 minute sessions and would 2 30 mintute sessions of cardio at different times of day burn the same amount of fat each time?

    In my opinion, it means not to worry about this study right now. Follow a plan with a reasonable calorie deficit consistently, exercise how you see fit to keep your lean body mass, and you will lose weight.

    Maybe, if you live in a cave. But, this just supports many other studies around HITT.

    Which studies? I have read the (limited) amount available relating to HIIT and in my view it does nothing of the sort.

    Don't get me wrong, I think HIIT is a great tool to improve overall fitness. It's also good if you are time limited or just can't be bothered with longer duration cardio. As a tool for improving body composition however I think its benefits are hugely oversold however...
  • 0somuchbetter0
    0somuchbetter0 Posts: 1,335 Member
    Like others have said, the results of this study are interesting but I wouldn't go changing your workout routine based on it. The sample is too small and specific (20 something males) to be generalized to the public at large.
  • LifeIsNotADressRehearsal
    LifeIsNotADressRehearsal Posts: 745 Member
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  • ironanimal
    ironanimal Posts: 5,922 Member
    So what does all this mumbo jumbo mean in a nutshell? That I should be doing cardio in 30 minute sessions and would 2 30 mintute sessions of cardio at different times of day burn the same amount of fat each time?

    In my opinion, it means not to worry about this study right now. Follow a plan with a reasonable calorie deficit consistently, exercise how you see fit to keep your lean body mass, and you will lose weight.

    Maybe, if you live in a cave. But, this just supports many other studies around HITT.

    Which studies? I have read the (limited) amount available relating to HIIT and in my view it does nothing of the sort.

    Don't get me wrong, I think HIIT is a great tool to improve overall fitness. It's also good if you are time limited or just can't be bothered with longer duration cardio. As a tool for improving body composition however I think its benefits are hugely oversold however...
    marathoner_sprinter2.jpg
  • myofibril
    myofibril Posts: 4,500 Member

    Which studies? I have read the (limited) amount available relating to HIIT and in my view it does nothing of the sort.

    Don't get me wrong, I think HIIT is a great tool to improve overall fitness. It's also good if you are time limited or just can't be bothered with longer duration cardio. As a tool for improving body composition however I think its benefits are hugely oversold however...
    marathoner_sprinter2.jpg

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/sprinters-vs-marathoners.html

    Try again....
  • ironanimal
    ironanimal Posts: 5,922 Member

    Which studies? I have read the (limited) amount available relating to HIIT and in my view it does nothing of the sort.

    Don't get me wrong, I think HIIT is a great tool to improve overall fitness. It's also good if you are time limited or just can't be bothered with longer duration cardio. As a tool for improving body composition however I think its benefits are hugely oversold however...
    marathoner_sprinter2.jpg

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/sprinters-vs-marathoners.html

    Try again....
    There are sprinters at my gym that look like that. There's also a bunch of MMA guys who train in there, and most of what they do is HIIT. Believe what you will.
  • myofibril
    myofibril Posts: 4,500 Member
    There are sprinters at my gym that look like that. There's also a bunch of MMA guys who train in there, and most of what they do is HIIT. Believe what you will.

    Not doubting that for a second dude.

    HIIT does have many benefits. So does LISS. It depends on context and overall programming (as Lyle McDonald's article so accurately states.)

    I will believe what the science supports in the final analysis not the spin given by some so called "trainers"...
  • GauchoMark
    GauchoMark Posts: 1,804 Member
    So what does all this mumbo jumbo mean in a nutshell? That I should be doing cardio in 30 minute sessions and would 2 30 mintute sessions of cardio at different times of day burn the same amount of fat each time?

    In my opinion, it means not to worry about this study right now. Follow a plan with a reasonable calorie deficit consistently, exercise how you see fit to keep your lean body mass, and you will lose weight.

    Maybe, if you live in a cave. But, this just supports many other studies around HITT. This has been around since the late 70's early 80's. It's nothing new.

    For those who don't know HITT is where you do short bursts of intensity. How I do it is when running, I'll sprint for half a mile, then go back to my normal pace for a mile, then burst again for a half mile, then back to slow for a mile. My understanding is you don't stop and rest, you just rest at a resting pace. That's how I do it, anyway.

    I don't really get the cave comment... you suggesting to go paleo as well?! =]

    I really do believe in HIIT workouts for athleticism. It focuses more on fast twitch muscle fiber and increases performance. I think it also has some merit for weight loss and aesthetics. However, I also think the hype it gets is generally misunderstood.

    For one, the pic of the sprinter and runner is ridiculous - those guys are like comparing apples and oranges. No long distance runner wants to carry around an extra 50 lb of muscle mass for 25 miles, and most sprinters compete in other track and field or non-related sports. Their goals are TOTALLY different. Sprinting doesn't make you look like that guy and long distance running doesn't make you look like the other. That comparison is just moronic. Same for the MMA guys.

    If you are able to ignore the technical issues with this report - and there are many - I liken this to the concept of heart rate zones. Where people make the distinction between "fat burning" and "cardio" zones. Some people thing that if they are trying to lose weight that you MUST stay in the fat burning zone. However, you actually burn more calories overall in the cardio zone.

    The original concept was that calories/heartbeat were higher in the fat burning zone than in the cardio zone - this is true, and if you want to burn the most fat with the minimal amount of effort, then stay in the fat burning zone - but overall, if you want to burn the most calories possible, get into the cardio zone. You just have to put out a lot more effort. However, people took the one part of info they wanted to hear and slapped it on every piece of cardio equipment you can buy.

    So, my quoted statement above was referring to how this report affects 99% of the people on MFP - it doesn't. Stick to your plan, don't change anything based on this report. If you want to experiment with things and mix in some HIIT workouts, that is great, but don't give up on long walks (or whatever) to burn extra calories.

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