Too Much Caffeine?
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It looks about right, but fails to list the last cup around 3 PM, just after the 230 crash where there's no productivity and I'm wondering where that pool of drool came from on my desk while I try to mentally recreate the last 45 minutes of staring at nothing.0 -
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I hear reproduction taxes the organs. Along with caffeine we should boycott sexytime to save the human race.0
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Caffeine
Caffeine is a naturally derived stimulant found in many nutritional supplements typically as gaurana, bissey nut, or kola. Caffeine can also be found in coffee, tea, soft drinks, energy drinks, and chocolate. It has previously been made clear that caffeine can have a positive effect on energy expenditure, weight loss, and body fat. Caffeine has also been shown to be an effective ergogenic aid. Research investigating the effects of caffeine on a time trial in trained cyclist found that caffeine improved speed, peak power, and mean power [411]. Similar results were observed in a recent study that found cyclists who ingested a caffeine drink prior to a time trial demonstrated improvements in performance [412,413]. Studies indicate that ingestion of caffeine (e.g., 3-9 mg/kg taken 30 - 90 minutes before exercise) can spare carbohydrate use during exercise and thereby improve endurance exercise capacity [406,414]. In addition to the apparent positive effects on endurance performance, caffeine has also been shown to improve repeated sprint performance benefiting the anaerobic athlete [415,416]. People who drink caffeinated drinks regularly, however, appear to experience less ergogenic benefits from caffeine [417]. Additionally, some concern has been expressed that ingestion of caffeine prior to exercise may contribute to dehydration although recent studies have not supported this concern [414,418,419]. Caffeine doses above 9 mg/kg can result in urinary caffeine levels that surpass the doping threshold for many sport organizations. Suggestions that there is no ergogenic value to caffeine supplementation is not supported by the preponderance of available scientific studies.0 -
I know too much caffeine isn't healthy at all, and some might argue to avoid it altogether. My questions is this: Can consuming too much caffeine actually hinder weight loss?
As I understand it: Caffeine is a diuretic and dehydrates your body. If you drink too much it will dry you out.
Also, caffeine stimulates the nervous system and when the nervous system is in a constant state of stimulation, it will tax the organs and put strain on the body in ways that your body wasn't meant to endure.
As I understand it: While caffeine is a diuretic it isn't strong enough a diuretic to dehydrate you body so no, you're not going to end up like the guy drinking out of the wrong goblet in "The Holy Grail." It's just another liquid. As far as impacts on the nervous and thereby taxing the organs and strains on the body . . . this I've never heard before and would like more to see some research on it to consider.
I drink coffee most of the day, from the time I roll my *kitten* out of bed until about 2 or 3. Hot or cold it must have 1 sweetner and about 1/8 cup of skim milk. Hasn't done anything to hinder my weight loss.
Note: My post didn't mention anything about weight loss did it. Yes the question did, but my answer strictly mentioned the affects on the body. Also, drinking anything over a certain threshold of caffeine is going to cause the body to have a dependency on it. I think I read it was 200mg of caffeine but I could be wrong by a long shot but after that threshold your body is going to get hooked on it because it will take more and more to get the same dopamine affect that it did when you first started drinking it. People can also die from caffeine overdose as it would tax the nervous system too much.
If you don't believe you are "addicted" to caffeine. Quit cold turkey and don't eat chocolate, drink caffeine, or have anything else that would give a caffeinated response and within a 2 to 3 day period you will have terrible migraines and flu like symptoms. It's the body's response to losing what it has been convinced it needs. But like quitting smoking, your body will adjust and you will have the same energy that you did when you were drinking coffee after 3 weeks of quitting.
So weight loss? Yeah I have no clue. But if you pay attention to the big picture, too much caffeine is a problem. :flowerforyou:0 -
Caffeine like in soda? Then RUN! Caffeine like in tea or black coffee? Not going to harm but can actually help!
I didn't realize caffeine changed depending on what drink its in
What about caffeine from chocolate, is that caffeine good or bad
Well caffeine is caffeine but if you are drinking soda which is filled full of chemicals and sugars/sodium than it isn't good-period. I am a huge anti-soda advocate. I hear of it doing nothing good for your body and would not recommend it to anyone trying to lose weight, even "no calorie" diet.
Would it shock you to find out caffeine is a chemical
Caffeine is also found in natural sources like black coffee and tea. From the bean straight to coffee there caffeine without no added substance. However in soda, they add it as a chemical. So there is a difference.
I don't think you quite understand what a chemical is. They add water to coffee, which is a chemical; doesn't make water detrimental if taken in coffee.0 -
What I get caffeine from:
Sugar-Free energy drinks like Sugar-Free Red Bull
Diet pills like Hydroxycut (Which I decided to stop taking today so kindly disregard)
Black tea sweetened with Splenda
What I don't consume:
Diet coke (except on rare occasions)
Regular soda
Coffee
I find a little caffeine helpful before working out, but I have been consuming caffeine all day every day on weekdays and it's making me miserable. Whether or not caffeine is affecting my rate of weight loss, it's definitely interfering with my sleep and overstimulating my nerves in general. I'm pretty sensitive to caffeine, though.
My thinking in suspecting that caffeine might hinder weight loss was that the entire point of eating less and burning more is to create a calorie deficit so your body will (ideally) use fat for energy. If you are stimulating yourself with caffeine, is it possible that your body will need to burn fewer calories over the course of the day? I know this is a really simplistic way of thinking, but I also think it is incorrect to entirely discount the possibility that human beings function much better without artificial stimulants.
Keep in mind, we're not talking about a little caffeine here. I'm talking about too much.0 -
What I get caffeine from:
Sugar-Free energy drinks like Sugar-Free Red Bull
Diet pills like Hydroxycut (Which I decided to stop taking today so kindly disregard)
Black tea sweetened with Splenda
What I don't consume:
Diet coke (except on rare occasions)
Regular soda
Coffee
I find a little caffeine helpful before working out, but I have been consuming caffeine all day every day on weekdays and it's making me miserable. Whether or not caffeine is affecting my rate of weight loss, it's definitely interfering with my sleep and overstimulating my nerves in general. I'm pretty sensitive to caffeine, though.
My thinking in suspecting that caffeine might hinder weight loss was that the entire point of eating less and burning more is to create a calorie deficit so your body will (ideally) use fat for energy. If you are stimulating yourself with caffeine, is it possible that your body will need to burn fewer calories over the course of the day? I know this is a really simplistic way of thinking, but I also think it is incorrect to entirely discount the possibility that human beings function much better without artificial stimulants.
Keep in mind, we're not talking about a little caffeine here. I'm talking about too much.
As I understand it: Caffeine IS a stimulant and since your nervous system is always in the "overdrive" mode it is going to cause the rest of your organs to work twice as hard. You may even notice that at times your heart is going to race after an intake. That is why excessive caffeine intake is linked to hypertension and hyperactivity (so is excessive amounts of sugar). But you need to really think of it this way: your organs are working harder which means it's burning MORE calories; but at what cost to your body is it doing this?
You didn't ask about it but here's what I believe to be true about sugar substitutes: Sucralose (splenda) and Aspartame (Nutrisweet) wreck havoc on the nervous system too. So when you drink DIET pop you are getting a double dose of stimulation; only sucralose and aspartame have been linked to cancers (though not proven) and they are generally perceived as toxins in the body (our body metabolizes natural foods and treats the rest as poison). So if you are going to reach for a "sweet" you'd be better off having the real thing sucrose (table sugar) in a throwback version of the pop than a toxin full option; but in all honest you should cut down on sugar as a whole, it is probably the reason for your weight loss issue. Sucralose and Aspartame are still carbs and still cause insulin levels to spike when you probably don't want them to.
Unfortunately there's nothing I can tell you to make you feel better about your caffeine intake except to detox and after the 3 week period of withdrawal (without any relapse) you can reintroduce it but try to restrict your caffeine intake to 50mg in the morning if you are going to drink it. Anything over 100mg would be "self medicating" as a result of stress or emotional discomfort.
Since it seems like you are concerned about your caffeine use, why not try an elimination diet for a month, start to get better sleep with the help of melatonin until you're on a normal cycle, and when you do reach for a stress/comfort food, grab some almonds and write your feeling down in a journal. When you can have a healthy relationship with food, you will stop abusing caffeine and you will be a happier you. :flowerforyou:
EDIT: You can also sweeten tea with organic honey if you must have a sweetener and would rather have something that's not empty calories.0 -
As I understand it: Caffeine IS a stimulant and since your nervous system is always in the "overdrive" mode it is going to cause the rest of your organs to work twice as hard. You may even notice that at times your heart is going to race after an intake. That is why excessive caffeine intake is linked to hypertension and hyperactivity (so is excessive amounts of sugar). But you need to really think of it this way: your organs are working harder which means it's burning MORE calories; but at what cost to your body is it doing this?
You didn't ask about it but here's what I believe to be true about sugar substitutes: Sucralose (splenda) and Aspartame (Nutrisweet) wreck havoc on the nervous system too. So when you drink DIET pop you are getting a double dose of stimulation; only sucralose and aspartame have been linked to cancers (though not proven) and they are generally perceived as toxins in the body (our body metabolizes natural foods and treats the rest as poison). So if you are going to reach for a "sweet" you'd be better off having the real thing sucrose (table sugar) in a throwback version of the pop than a toxin full option; but in all honest you should cut down on sugar as a whole, it is probably the reason for your weight loss issue. Sucralose and Aspartame are still carbs and still cause insulin levels to spike when you probably don't want them to.
Unfortunately there's nothing I can tell you to make you feel better about your caffeine intake except to detox and after the 3 week period of withdrawal (without any relapse) you can reintroduce it but try to restrict your caffeine intake to 50mg in the morning if you are going to drink it. Anything over 100mg would be "self medicating" as a result of stress or emotional discomfort.
Since it seems like you are concerned about your caffeine use, why not try an elimination diet for a month, start to get better sleep with the help of melatonin until you're on a normal cycle, and when you do reach for a stress/comfort food, grab some almonds and write your feeling down in a journal. When you can have a healthy relationship with food, you will stop abusing caffeine and you will be a happier you. :flowerforyou:
EDIT: You can also sweeten tea with organic honey if you must have a sweetener and would rather have something that's not empty calories.
Starting with 'as I understand it' doesn't make it ok, that's like saying "with ALL due respect, you're a %#*&!(%*&!@(%*&!@(%*&!@%(*&...I said 'with ALL due respect'". What you're saying is 'what you're doing is killing you and if you keep doing it it means you are self-medicating and have psychological issues'.
As I understand it: work can be very stressful. Stress causes stress on your organs. The obvious solution here is to stop working.
There are better things for you in the world than caffeine, but it's not the devil and is fine in moderation. An overdose can kill you, but then again the same goes for water...or almonds...or organic honey.
I don't self-medicate on caffeine, I self-medicate on alcohol, like a big boy.0 -
As I understand it: Caffeine IS a stimulant and since your nervous system is always in the "overdrive" mode it is going to cause the rest of your organs to work twice as hard. You may even notice that at times your heart is going to race after an intake. That is why excessive caffeine intake is linked to hypertension and hyperactivity (so is excessive amounts of sugar). But you need to really think of it this way: your organs are working harder which means it's burning MORE calories; but at what cost to your body is it doing this?
You didn't ask about it but here's what I believe to be true about sugar substitutes: Sucralose (splenda) and Aspartame (Nutrisweet) wreck havoc on the nervous system too. So when you drink DIET pop you are getting a double dose of stimulation; only sucralose and aspartame have been linked to cancers (though not proven) and they are generally perceived as toxins in the body (our body metabolizes natural foods and treats the rest as poison). So if you are going to reach for a "sweet" you'd be better off having the real thing sucrose (table sugar) in a throwback version of the pop than a toxin full option; but in all honest you should cut down on sugar as a whole, it is probably the reason for your weight loss issue. Sucralose and Aspartame are still carbs and still cause insulin levels to spike when you probably don't want them to.
Unfortunately there's nothing I can tell you to make you feel better about your caffeine intake except to detox and after the 3 week period of withdrawal (without any relapse) you can reintroduce it but try to restrict your caffeine intake to 50mg in the morning if you are going to drink it. Anything over 100mg would be "self medicating" as a result of stress or emotional discomfort.
Since it seems like you are concerned about your caffeine use, why not try an elimination diet for a month, start to get better sleep with the help of melatonin until you're on a normal cycle, and when you do reach for a stress/comfort food, grab some almonds and write your feeling down in a journal. When you can have a healthy relationship with food, you will stop abusing caffeine and you will be a happier you. :flowerforyou:
EDIT: You can also sweeten tea with organic honey if you must have a sweetener and would rather have something that's not empty calories.
Starting with 'as I understand it' doesn't make it ok, that's like saying "with ALL due respect, you're a %#*&!(%*&!@(%*&!@(%*&!@%(*&...I said 'with ALL due respect'". What you're saying is 'what you're doing is killing you and if you keep doing it it means you are self-medicating and have psychological issues'.
As I understand it: work can be very stressful. Stress causes stress on your organs. The obvious solution here is to stop working.
There are better things for you in the world than caffeine, but it's not the devil and is fine in moderation. An overdose can kill you, but then again the same goes for water...or almonds...or organic honey.
I don't self-medicate on caffeine, I self-medicate on alcohol, like a big boy.
You are a very delightful, respectful, and non-abrasive gentleman aren't you?
I say "As I understand it" to make sure people know I'm not an expert. There a lot of people on these forums that claim they are pro, expert, or nutritionists. I am none of the above. I share what I know and I help the best that I can because I sincerely care about people reaching their goals.
I don't know where this reaction is coming from but please understand that I am not judging anyone on their self medicating practices nor am I judging anyone based on their difficulties; this is a rarity in this forum as everyone seems to have a personal bias against other people's preferences. The OP has indicated that she is concerned about her caffeine intake and is seeking help (reasons) to cut back. I am simply giving her the facts so she can have some strength to battle her addiction to it.
You don't have to like me to tolerate me and you can't change the world. But if I were you, I'd be nicer to the people of the world, because at the end of the day, they still have to be nice to YOU in return; give them a reason to be nice. :flowerforyou:0 -
First of all, I meant to quote eccentricdad's post on this, but I did it wrong and I'm new to the forum and am not sure how to fix it. Oops.
I have heard about artificial sweeteners causing an insulin spike, so that is surely a good point about the diet energy drinks as well as some of the "treats" i like to have once in a while (popsicles sweetened with Splenda as an example). My cravings are usually sweets, so I'm probably consuming a lot more of this junk than I realize. I will take this advice into account and try eliminating artificial sweeteners.
I don't understand why you make the assumption that I'm an emotional eater, and I kind of resent that. I don't think I gave any indication that I am. Stress/comfort food isn't the problem.
Personally, I see my use of caffeine as a crutch. I have this theory (though I don't test it often enough) that if I am eating a truly healthy diet, getting enough good sleep, and working out regularly I will have plenty of energy and stimulants will be unnecessary.0 -
I know too much caffeine isn't healthy at all, and some might argue to avoid it altogether. My questions is this: Can consuming too much caffeine actually hinder weight loss?
As I understand it: Caffeine is a diuretic and dehydrates your body. If you drink too much it will dry you out.
Also, caffeine stimulates the nervous system and when the nervous system is in a constant state of stimulation, it will tax the organs and put strain on the body in ways that your body wasn't meant to endure.
As I understand it: While caffeine is a diuretic it isn't strong enough a diuretic to dehydrate you body so no, you're not going to end up like the guy drinking out of the wrong goblet in "The Holy Grail." It's just another liquid. As far as impacts on the nervous and thereby taxing the organs and strains on the body . . . this I've never heard before and would like more to see some research on it to consider.
I drink coffee most of the day, from the time I roll my *kitten* out of bed until about 2 or 3. Hot or cold it must have 1 sweetner and about 1/8 cup of skim milk. Hasn't done anything to hinder my weight loss.
Note: My post didn't mention anything about weight loss did it. Yes the question did, but my answer strictly mentioned the affects on the body. Also, drinking anything over a certain threshold of caffeine is going to cause the body to have a dependency on it. I think I read it was 200mg of caffeine but I could be wrong by a long shot but after that threshold your body is going to get hooked on it because it will take more and more to get the same dopamine affect that it did when you first started drinking it. People can also die from caffeine overdose as it would tax the nervous system too much.
If you don't believe you are "addicted" to caffeine. Quit cold turkey and don't eat chocolate, drink caffeine, or have anything else that would give a caffeinated response and within a 2 to 3 day period you will have terrible migraines and flu like symptoms. It's the body's response to losing what it has been convinced it needs. But like quitting smoking, your body will adjust and you will have the same energy that you did when you were drinking coffee after 3 weeks of quitting.
So weight loss? Yeah I have no clue. But if you pay attention to the big picture, too much caffeine is a problem. :flowerforyou:
Note: yes, my first paragraph was in relation to your post, and you have yet to provide any source of peer reviewed research to consider the degree of impact, which I believe would actually be interesting. However, you're still just using clauses that these are your understandings and opinions and attempting to reinforce your opinion by "noting" things when you don't seem to be following the conversation in it's entirety.
I didn't ask about addiction, thank you very much. Somedays I get head aches, somedays I don't . . . does that mean some times I'm addicted and sometimes I'm not? When I was pregnant and nursing I didn't drink coffee for more than 2 years, I don't drink soda, and I craved sweets but not chocolate (go figure), and I decided that staying awake for meetings was actually important so I added it back. So, I tend to be one of the people who call bull**** on the "you will have the same amount of energy" claim from my anecdotal experience. Unless too much has changed since my neuroscience classes 15 years ago, caffiene actually doesn't impact the nervous system in as terrible a way as someone drinking the kool-ade may have you think. Unless you have other underlying disorders, caffiene is about as safe as a drug as you can encounter (yes, it is considered a drug).
Yes, yes, concentrated intake, or large volume intake, of just about anything can be deadly . . . but I just don't understand the pitchfork mentality with caffiene unless you are offended by farts.
My second paragraph was actually an attempt to circle any of the above back around to the OP, where the question has to do with the effects of caffiene on weightloss, not the effects of stimulants on the nervous system.0 -
Personally, I see my use of caffeine as a crutch. I have this theory (though I don't test it often enough) that if I am eating a truly healthy diet, getting enough good sleep, and working out regularly I will have plenty of energy and stimulants will be unnecessary.
If you're looking to remove stimulants from your life (a little different prospect than your original post) I would suggest starting with the red bull and coffee and just have some warm green tea, 1 in the morning, 1 in the afternoon. You can replace one of them with an herbal tea to get a bit of the placebo effect. Besides, I find something a little indulgent about sitting back with a cup of tea in a pretty mug. I like buying loose tea and cool baskets for steeping. I don't drink tea often, but when I do I like to make a process out of it.0 -
So if we want to talk about the original post, the question was whether or not caffeine can hinder weight loss. That is the actual question, and most people here say no. Many people say it actually helps by causing your body to burn more calories. I also gather that using caffeine in moderation is important because you can have too much.
So the most helpful suggestions I got were a link to an article on Livestrong (actually very helpful, thanks nashculze,) and the suggestion to stay away from artificial sweeteners which can cause a spike in insulin just like sugar can. But according to the article on livestrong:
"A 2002 study published in the journal "Diabetes Care" reported that healthy individuals who consumed 3 mg of caffeine per kg of body weight had reduced sensitivity to insulin. Insulin is a hormone that controls the amount of blood sugar, or glucose, in your body. If you have a reduced sensitivity to it, your blood sugar can increase, which means that more insulin is produced. Over time, this can lead to weight gain in the form of fat storage."
What I gather from this post is that I won't post on these forums anymore.0 -
First of all, I meant to quote eccentricdad's post on this, but I did it wrong and I'm new to the forum and am not sure how to fix it. Oops.
I have heard about artificial sweeteners causing an insulin spike, so that is surely a good point about the diet energy drinks as well as some of the "treats" i like to have once in a while (popsicles sweetened with Splenda as an example). My cravings are usually sweets, so I'm probably consuming a lot more of this junk than I realize. I will take this advice into account and try eliminating artificial sweeteners.
I don't understand why you make the assumption that I'm an emotional eater, and I kind of resent that. I don't think I gave any indication that I am. Stress/comfort food isn't the problem.
Personally, I see my use of caffeine as a crutch. I have this theory (though I don't test it often enough) that if I am eating a truly healthy diet, getting enough good sleep, and working out regularly I will have plenty of energy and stimulants will be unnecessary.
I apologize if that remark made you resentful, I meant nothing harmful by it :frown: . Now, you may not be emotionally eating all but let me explain what I meant.
Emotional eating is different than you may imagine. When people think of emotional eating, they think of the woman who is sad and wants to eat away their misery by binging on a carton of ice cream. This is not what I meant by it. I was an emotional eater before I found healthy outlets to stress. The way I emotionally ate was through procrastination. When I was feeling overwhelmed by a task that I felt was bigger than I can handle (anxiety more or less) I would "take a break" and go have a candy bar to "give me energy" to do the task I was avoiding. In all honesty, I wasn't eating to "get energy"; I was eating because eating that candy bar was stimulating my mood and I got over whatever emotional anxiety I was having that caused the avoidance of said task (cleaning my daughter's room would do this to me every time I felt it was time to work on it because I hate cleaning that room).
So when I say that you need to have an emotional outlet other than food, I mean when you are feeling ANYTHING that is discomfort, you will subconsciously grab a food/thing that will stimulate you or soothe you so you can handle whatever challenge you are feeling anxiety about. This isn't a conscious or outward emotion thing, this is an inside emotion thing. Anxiety (butterflies in the tummy) can feel like hunger pains, dehydration, and intestinal inflammation so it's not a surprise that we would reach for food when we have that fluttery feeling in our stomach. It's a very primal response to anxiety if you don't learn coping skills to get around it.
We also reach for caffeine and sugar when we are addicted to the dopamine response and we base our life on the feelings when you're high on the affects of caffeine/sugar. What I mean by that is the highs become the norms and the norms become the lows and the lows become the REAL LOWS. When you quit experiencing the high moments, you will start to slow down and the norms will be the norms and you'll know when you're in a high again.
I am just trying to make you aware that such a thing exists so you can monitor yourself and see if you're going through the same thing that I did. And if you are, having an emotional outlet is the best thing you can do and it will help you meet your goals for weight loss when you're not soothing yourself. Again, if you don't feel it's relevant, just leave it for someone who it might be.
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I know too much caffeine isn't healthy at all, and some might argue to avoid it altogether. My questions is this: Can consuming too much caffeine actually hinder weight loss?
Actually according to a study i read picking an energy drink and sticking to one a day can be very benifital but i cant see it hurting you weight loss unless your drinking soda or the voffee that has 500 calories in it green tea is a good alternative just dont use sugar0 -
What I gather from this post is that I won't post on these forums anymore.
A pretty good observation. None of us here are scientists, dietitians, nutritionists, family doctors, sports medicine nurses, or any type of expert in the field. The advice you're going to get from us is about as accurate as the information you're going to get on the wild internet (because that's where most of us are getting our information).
I am sorry that you didn't like my responses and I'm sorry that I wasn't able to help. :brokenheart:0 -
It's good for you to a certain degree, cause it's s stimulant and can aid weight loss, but it depends what way you're drinking it, I suppose. Red bull/high fat coffee drinks/soda are all obviously going to be laden in calories. Got a bit of a diet coke habit myself, trying to wean myself off it!!0
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Not really, I'm kind of an a**hole actuallyYou are a very delightful, respectful, and non-abrasive gentleman aren't you?
Hence my issue with your comments. If it's your understanding and you're not an expert, it's not fact. I happen to think that your body is designed to handle things a whole helluva lot worse than a cup of coffee. I also believe that drinking lots of coffee doesn't always mean you're self-medicating, and it certainly doesn't warrant that kind of label and all the baggage tied to it.I say "As I understand it" to make sure people know I'm not an expert. There a lot of people on these forums that claim they are pro, expert, or nutritionists. I am none of the above.
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I am simply giving her the facts
No they don't. Being overly nice is boring. Try being mean once in a while, it'll feel like you're taking caffeine.I'd be nicer to the people of the world, because at the end of the day, they still have to be nice to YOU in return; give them a reason to be nice. :flowerforyou:0 -
Not really, I'm kind of an a**hole actuallyYou are a very delightful, respectful, and non-abrasive gentleman aren't you?
That's all I really had to read is that you agree that you are acting this way and the fact you are proud of this makes me and you incompatible to speak to each other. I will be ignoring your posts from now on. I refuse to be a part of a forum group with people only in the forums to give someone a hard time. But let's celebrate your trolling with a drink shall we? :drinker: Here's to you, for being a huge jerk, and thinking you're cool.0 -
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I am sorry that you didn't like my responses and I'm sorry that I wasn't able to help. :brokenheart:
That wasn't directed at you or any one specific person. In fact, I found the info about artificial sweeteners to be helpful. I did mention that I put Splenda in my tea, and I usually think nothing of it. I just have better luck when I do my own research. Of course, it's not remotely scholarly research, but at least I can sift through the information in peace and decide what I agree with and what I don't, because there is so much conflicting information that seems equally credible at times.0 -
I drink 4-5 16oz mugs every day. I've been with MFP since the 5th and down 14 lbs, so for me, it definitely doesn't hinder weight loss. I know it does some others most likely so just try it and see how much is your limit...0
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