Starvation Mode!!!!!!!!Confusion confusion

SJCon

interesting quote.

"So let's start by examining the whole "starvation mode" idea that you see all the time in articles about dieting. I picked this one to start with because I'm now tracking my food on My Fitness Pal and the number of people there screaming "starvation mode" is about 10x higher than most of the other weight loss boards I go to. They annoy the heck out of me, so I want to "answer" them in a permanent way vs. just arguing with them over and over on the boards there."

http://fattyfightsback.blogspot.com/2009/03/mtyhbusters-starvation-mode.html

SHBoss1673

interesting quote.

"So let's start by examining the whole "starvation mode" idea that you see all the time in articles about dieting. I picked this one to start with because I'm now tracking my food on My Fitness Pal and the number of people there screaming "starvation mode" is about 10x higher than most of the other weight loss boards I go to. They annoy the heck out of me, so I want to "answer" them in a permanent way vs. just arguing with them over and over on the boards there."

http://fattyfightsback.blogspot.com/2009/03/mtyhbusters-starvation-mode.html

and now look at her more recent post please. where she essentially refutes the whole thing even though she can't bring herself to admit that it's not a myth. Dude this has all been covered before ad nauseam.

http://fattyfightsback.blogspot.com/2012/07/mythbusters-starvation-mode-revisited.html

SJCon

"So let's start by examining the whole "starvation mode" idea that you see all the time in articles about dieting. I picked this
and now look at her more recent post please. where she essentially refutes the whole thing even though she can't bring herself to admit that it's not a myth. Dude this has all been covered before ad nauseam.

http://fattyfightsback.blogspot.com/2012/07/mythbusters-starvation-mode-revisited.html

Ahh the guy that wants reseach and is trying to gain weight.
Then look at this and at least listen to the to the tape on the experiment done with Army Rangers who are far from obese.
Blog
http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/starvation-mode-why-you-probably-never-need-to-worry-about-it/

Tape
https://s3.amazonaws.com/fitbb/How+to+Get+Into+Starvation+Mode.mp3

Even those Fasting cant seem to get there without trying

Fasting and starvation mode
http://www.netwellness.org/question.cfm/37350.htm

Telling everyone this same story is a disservice DUDe

STARVATION MODE AND OBESE PEOPLE is a MYTH as well as the critical lose of lean muscle.

http://caloriecount.about.com/forums/weight-loss/truth-starvation-mode

And the loss of lean mass is not as critical to the obese person as to the lean person simply because an obese person has more lean mass than a person of the same age and height but normal weight.

Grossly obese individuals (FORBES, 1987; JAMES et al., 1978) may have over 30% more fat-free mass than lean individuals of the same height. In the example shown in Figure 3, the obese individual weighting 140 kg has a fat-free mass that is 29% greater than the 70 kg man. Obese individuals appear to have more muscle and bone than lean individuals, and these help support and move the excess body weight. Obese subjects have large vascular volumes and larger hearts, which are necessary to pump more blood around larger bodies, especially during weight-bearing activities. Obese individuals may also have visceromegaly (NAEYE and ROODE, 1970).

meeka472

Starvation mode, in this context is an utter myth. You will not "hold onto calories" and gain fat while eating at a caloric deficit. Banish the term from your vocabulary.......

^^^This!

Erisad

Starvation mode, in this context is an utter myth. You will not "hold onto calories" and gain fat while eating at a caloric deficit. Banish the term from your vocabulary.......

I consider myself an advocate for informed fact and truth. Please back up this kind of statement with fact. Just because you can't disprove a negative, doesn't make it a truth.

Actually, on another thread I asked for a citation backing up a positive assertion you made about your body being "in full panic" mode.

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/710742--starvation-mode-exercise-calories-dillema

One should be able to prove a positive assertion.

My backup is simple, it's called physics. As much as we all like to think we're completely individual the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics applies to us all. The notion that your body can store energy while you're consuming less than you expend is completely illogical. Fat storage is a survival mechanism that allowed us as a species to survive periods of famine, we become fat (in the absence of a metabolic disorder or medications that have an impact on metabolism)because we eat more calories than we expend - it's not complicated.

I dunno, I lost 8 pounds eating at 1700, I dropped to 1680 and I gained .4 so far this month. I'm not even eating that many unhealthy foods. Some days I don't even make it to 1680 and have more than 400 calories leftover. By this logic I should have lost more this month right?

Considering that nutrition information labels can be up to + or - 20% in relation the actual calories contained in a serving and fresh fruits and vegetables vary in size I wouldn't rely to much on the accuracy of a 20cal variance. And a 6 oz fluctuation in weight? :huh:

Oh wait, I mistyped. I'm at 1620 now. It was early in the morning and I was thinking that I was reduced by 80 calories a day and typed it there. Oops. But yeah. Even 80 calories less a day really shouldn't make that much of a difference. I'm thinking of upping it back to 1700, even if I struggled to meet my calories on most days.

Lookingforfitat40

Starvation mode, in this context is an utter myth. You will not "hold onto calories" and gain fat while eating at a caloric deficit. Banish the term from your vocabulary.......

I consider myself an advocate for informed fact and truth. Please back up this kind of statement with fact. Just because you can't disprove a negative, doesn't make it a truth.

Actually, on another thread I asked for a citation backing up a positive assertion you made about your body being "in full panic" mode.

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/710742--starvation-mode-exercise-calories-dillema

One should be able to prove a positive assertion.

My backup is simple, it's called physics. As much as we all like to think we're completely individual the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics applies to us all. The notion that your body can store energy while you're consuming less than you expend is completely illogical. Fat storage is a survival mechanism that allowed us as a species to survive periods of famine, we become fat (in the absence of a metabolic disorder or medications that have an impact on metabolism)because we eat more calories than we expend - it's not complicated.

I dunno, I lost 8 pounds eating at 1700, I dropped to 1680 and I gained .4 so far this month. I'm not even eating that many unhealthy foods. Some days I don't even make it to 1680 and have more than 400 calories leftover. By this logic I should have lost more this month right?

Considering that nutrition information labels can be up to + or - 20% in relation the actual calories contained in a serving and fresh fruits and vegetables vary in size I wouldn't rely to much on the accuracy of a 20cal variance. And a 6 oz fluctuation in weight? :huh:

Oh wait, I mistyped. I'm at 1620 now. It was early in the morning and I was thinking that I was reduced by 80 calories a day and typed it there. Oops. But yeah. Even 80 calories less a day really shouldn't make that much of a difference. I'm thinking of upping it back to 1700, even if I struggled to meet my calories on most days.

And the 6 oz fluctuation in weight? You realize that drinking a cup of water you gain .5 lbs, right?

SweetCheekszx0

Starvation mode, in this context is an utter myth. You will not "hold onto calories" and gain fat while eating at a caloric deficit. Banish the term from your vocabulary.......

^this

Erisad

Starvation mode, in this context is an utter myth. You will not "hold onto calories" and gain fat while eating at a caloric deficit. Banish the term from your vocabulary.......

I consider myself an advocate for informed fact and truth. Please back up this kind of statement with fact. Just because you can't disprove a negative, doesn't make it a truth.

Actually, on another thread I asked for a citation backing up a positive assertion you made about your body being "in full panic" mode.

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/710742--starvation-mode-exercise-calories-dillema

One should be able to prove a positive assertion.

My backup is simple, it's called physics. As much as we all like to think we're completely individual the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics applies to us all. The notion that your body can store energy while you're consuming less than you expend is completely illogical. Fat storage is a survival mechanism that allowed us as a species to survive periods of famine, we become fat (in the absence of a metabolic disorder or medications that have an impact on metabolism)because we eat more calories than we expend - it's not complicated.

I dunno, I lost 8 pounds eating at 1700, I dropped to 1680 and I gained .4 so far this month. I'm not even eating that many unhealthy foods. Some days I don't even make it to 1680 and have more than 400 calories leftover. By this logic I should have lost more this month right?

Considering that nutrition information labels can be up to + or - 20% in relation the actual calories contained in a serving and fresh fruits and vegetables vary in size I wouldn't rely to much on the accuracy of a 20cal variance. And a 6 oz fluctuation in weight? :huh:

Oh wait, I mistyped. I'm at 1620 now. It was early in the morning and I was thinking that I was reduced by 80 calories a day and typed it there. Oops. But yeah. Even 80 calories less a day really shouldn't make that much of a difference. I'm thinking of upping it back to 1700, even if I struggled to meet my calories on most days.

And the 6 oz fluctuation in weight? You realize that drinking a cup of water you gain .5 lbs, right?

I weigh myself in the morning right after waking up and going to the bathroom. The water shouldn't have that much of an effect then right? Just annoying that I work so hard all month just to be derailed by freaking water weight.