Wheat Belly
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And I would have suggested that instead of low-fat, high carb with 3+ hours of intense cardio every single day to the point where you were ill and starving I'd simply:
Eat the calories recommended to a person by MFP, exercise 30 minutes a day 4-5 times a week. Period.
Sounds to me like you followed a bad plan with a slightly more reasonable one and now you're pretending it's the only thing that works.
You should have tried moderation.
Did that. Moderation = slowly regaining to the weight right back to the over-weight line where I started after pg. I did not want to be overweight. I am much more comfortable here. Now I hold the same weight I had to go sick on grain-based diet without much problems and my body comp is better. It is not easy. It is never easy, but it is much better. I can be reasonable without grain. I have to be unreasonable with it.
So you reduced your calorie consumption, exercised, and gained weight?
Honestly just asking. And I apologize for being skeptical, but I am. Sometimes people say "moderation" but mean "I ate whatever I wanted and stopped exercising", then they blame "moderation" for not working.0 -
I think the refined products are junk. I make wheat bread (simple recipe) by grinding my own wheat and make the bread from scratch; this way I know what I am eating in my bread. I think pretty much all the bread you buy in the store contains fillers and refined/bleached wheat flour which makes it empty calories/carbs. Really, there is no difference in saltine crackers and a slice of store bought bread. Just my opinion.0
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Three weeks ago I cut out all grains from my diet because I was diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes and my scale hadn't moved for FIVE months, even on a faithful 1200 calorie diet with exercise. Here I am, 3 weeks later... my blood sugar is in the 70s and 80s (It used to be in the 300s, and normal is 70 to 110, and will soon change to 83 - 88), I've lost 13 pounds, my eczema is completely gone, I have much more energy; I feel better than I have in many, many years. For a couple of days, I went back to the higher carb diet with grains, and I felt like death.
You only have a limited life-time supply of beta cells, people... these cells control and store insulin. You need insulin to regulate those carbs. They do not regenerate significantly. Don't let what happened to me happen to you. Yes, moderation is the key.. be very moderate... at the very least, cut back on the breads.0 -
I think the refined products are junk. I make wheat bread (simple recipe) by grinding my own wheat and make the bread from scratch; this way I know what I am eating in my bread. I think pretty much all the bread you buy in the store contains fillers and refined/bleached wheat flour which makes it empty calories/carbs. Really, there is no difference in saltine crackers and a slice of store bought bread. Just my opinion.
Do you make your own yeast too and do you use any fats in your bread that you render or make yourself?0 -
I think the refined products are junk. I make wheat bread (simple recipe) by grinding my own wheat and make the bread from scratch; this way I know what I am eating in my bread. I think pretty much all the bread you buy in the store contains fillers and refined/bleached wheat flour which makes it empty calories/carbs. Really, there is no difference in saltine crackers and a slice of store bought bread. Just my opinion.
Do you really think store brought 100% wholemeal bread is no different than saltine crackers (which are also available in whole wheat BTW)? Or are you unaware that stores now sell wholemeal bread?0 -
I think the refined products are junk. I make wheat bread (simple recipe) by grinding my own wheat and make the bread from scratch; this way I know what I am eating in my bread. I think pretty much all the bread you buy in the store contains fillers and refined/bleached wheat flour which makes it empty calories/carbs. Really, there is no difference in saltine crackers and a slice of store bought bread. Just my opinion.
Its hard to make sammiches with saltine crackers though, too small and brittle0 -
Honestly just asking. And I apologize for being skeptical, but I am. Sometimes people say "moderation" but mean "I ate whatever I wanted and stopped exercising", then they blame "moderation" for not working.
I am a rule stickler. I counted my calories. I never touched anything white or that had sugar (no, no, it was all artificially sweetened! 0 calories!). I set macros according to Jillian Michael's 'Making the Cut book. I reduced exercise load, but doing a lot of gardening and walking. I was angling towards 130 lbs from 117 lbs, I shook with hunger. I was sick on 1400-1550 cals a day. I was fighting it for a couple of months. Then I read Hyman's book and dropped processed grains - the very next day the hunger let go.
Today, I can eat 1300 -1400 cals a day and feel pleasantly full. I can go without food for > 5 hours. I don't wake up at 2 am starved and talk myself to sleep in 2 hours still starved. My hunger signal is not the: Must have FOOD, or I will collapse. GET FOOD!!!!" kind. It is the: "I think I am hungry. Gotta eat some time soon. First, though, I must do this..."
No sugar, no grains = I got my life back, I am fuller on less calories. If I did not have this goal of becoming an Ageless Goddess and finally draining the 30+ years of the fat stores on my thighs, I would maintain at 1600 cals without any problem whatsoever with the body most people would consider desirable.0 -
Its hard to make sammiches with saltine crackers though, too small and brittle
Yeah, but stuff it all in the red or yellow bell pepper, and win at life in the flavor, nutrients and weight loss department. Pepperandwich for the win.Do you really think store brought 100% wholemeal bread is no different than saltine crackers (which are also available in whole wheat BTW)? Or are you unaware that stores now sell wholemeal bread?
Have you ever read the ingredient list on your whole wheat bread?0 -
Honestly just asking. And I apologize for being skeptical, but I am. Sometimes people say "moderation" but mean "I ate whatever I wanted and stopped exercising", then they blame "moderation" for not working.
No sugar, no grains = I got my life back, I am fuller on less calories. If I did not have this goal of becoming an Ageless Goddess and finally draining the 30+ years of the fat stores on my thighs, I would maintain at 1600 cals without any problem whatsoever with the body most people would consider desirable.
So you do or do not eat peppers, which zomg contains sugar, both glucose and evil evil fructose0 -
Honestly just asking. And I apologize for being skeptical, but I am. Sometimes people say "moderation" but mean "I ate whatever I wanted and stopped exercising", then they blame "moderation" for not working.
I am a rule stickler. I counted my calories. I never touched anything white or that had sugar (no, no, it was all artificially sweetened! 0 calories!). I set macros according to Jillian Michael's 'Making the Cut book. I reduced exercise load, but doing a lot of gardening and walking. I was angling towards 130 lbs from 117 lbs, I shook with hunger. I was sick on 1400-1550 cals a day. I was fighting it for a couple of months. Then I read Hyman's book and dropped processed grains - the very next day the hunger let go.
Today, I can eat 1300 -1400 cals a day and feel pleasantly full. I can go without food for > 5 hours. I don't wake up at 2 am starved and talk myself to sleep in 2 hours still starved. My hunger signal is not the: Must have FOOD, or I will collapse. GET FOOD!!!!" kind. It is the: "I think I am hungry. Gotta eat some time soon. First, though, I must do this..."
No sugar, no grains = I got my life back, I am fuller on less calories. If I did not have this goal of becoming an Ageless Goddess and finally draining the 30+ years of the fat stores on my thighs, I would maintain at 1600 cals without any problem whatsoever with the body most people would consider desirable.
Listen I'm happy you found something that works for you. Kudos and I'm not trying to take anything away from you.
But I'm still a bit mystified.
So you're eating your 1400-1500 cals and starving. You eliminate carbs, eat less calories and now you're less hungry?
Like I said, I'm glad it worked for you. I just can't wrap my brain around it. To me it's like saying "I used to be broke, then I got rid of all my $5 bills. Now I have all the cash I'd ever need."0 -
I eat some bell peppers, yes. I eat tomatoes as well. From my own back yard. I do limit my carb intake atm, but again, I do try to get to the below average level of leanness. If I did not, it would not be necessary at all. Saying this, my carb intake with all its limitations gets me to almost a pound of vegetables a day. Which I happily eat.
I also experimented a lot with the natural fructose, and going over 5-6 g is where it starts triggering the sugar cravings and appetite/mood swings for me. So, I stay away from sweet potatoes and sweet fruit. But peppers, radishes, tomatoes, turnips, rutabagas, avocados are not visibly harmful to my blood sugar.
It's pretty interesting, actually, watching your body react to the food inputs. I am so glad not to be overweight, perpetually hungry and diabetic. Thanks goodness I stopped eating grains when I did!0 -
So you're eating your 1400-1500 cals and starving. You eliminate carbs, eat less calories and now you're less hungry?
Like I said, I'm glad it worked for you. I just can't wrap my brain around it. To me it's like saying "I used to be broke, then I got rid of all my $5 bills. Now I have all the cash I'd ever need.
I did not eliminate carbs. I eliminated grains, legumes, bad oils and all sweeteners.
Yea, sugar hunger is the false hunger, it sets your appetite to an unnatural level. That's why I am saying you need to try for yourself to see the difference. Well, that is if you have to eat every 3 hours, get dizzy and disoriented when hungry, sleepy and craving sweets at 2 pm, and have shakes and all the other classic symptoms of the sugar swings.0 -
Do you really think store brought 100% wholemeal bread is no different than saltine crackers (which are also available in whole wheat BTW)? Or are you unaware that stores now sell wholemeal bread?
Have you ever read the ingredient list on your whole wheat bread?
Of course, I read the ingredient list on everything I buy.0 -
So, care to count how many things is in your bread in addition to the flour, water and yeast? Does your bread go stale the next day the way the bread should?0
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I'm a coeliac no gluten/wheat for me at all but I've still managed to put on over 7 stone. Cutting out what may work for some people but its not the golden answer.
Thank you, we are all different in exercise, food intake, intolerance... and so on and on... find out what works for you and finalize it!!!
Fact is that the industry and many Dr.s making tons of money, because of their own theory, which does not mean it's wrong... BUT if you go back to the roots, you will see it works (it sure takes time!!!) plus you can save your money to grant yourself if you have reached your goal or these little in between goals!!! :flowerforyou:0 -
So, care to count how many things is in your bread in addition to the flour, water and yeast? Does your bread go stale the next day the way the bread should?
It would go stale in less than a day if I left it out in the open. But why would I do that? I have more than one type of wholemeal bread, but the one I checked has 11 ingredients in addition to flour water and yeast.
ETA: I'm curious to know what this has to do with saltines, though.0 -
I read his book. I cut out all the wheat to give it a try. I felt so much better, the fat around my mid section seemed to melt away. I've added wheat back(Husband brought home Michigan Apple Cinnamon Bread and I couldn't say no) and I have been achy, tired and my mid-squish seems to be coming back. I kept looking at the calories in bread too and was like dang if I eat that bread then I can't afford to have x later. On that note is was easy, I would rather have a few extra slices of bacon and my blt wrapped with lettuce. Just my personal take on it. Give it a shot what do you have to loose?
I have heard that before - wheat making people feel sluggish, and I think it depends on the person. I have done the Quantum Wellness Cleanse and felt no different without gluten than I did with it. However, as I age my midsection is where I am starting to gain weight, so I am definitely cutting back on carbs. I hope I see the same results you did!!
Also - BLT lettuce wraps is a BRILLIANT idea!!0 -
It would go stale in less than a day if I left it out in the open. But why would I do that? I have more than one type of wholemeal bread, but the one I checked has 11 ingredients in addition to flour water and yeast.
ETA: I'm curious to know what this has to do with saltines, though.
Not saltiness, not sure why saltiness is in here. The idea is that commercial bread uses a number of chemical additives to make it softer, puffier, prevent it from growing mold, going stale fast. Those chemicals, plus processing of the grain make bread into a product that is used as an appetizer in the restaurants... i.e. food designed to increase your appetite. Increased appetite is not all that great a thing for weight loss or maintenance. If you have no sensitivity to wheat, whole wheat (i.w cracked wheat) or grains cooked in a traditional way will significantly change your appetite if you previously ate pasta and bread. I still would go with legumes, millet and buckwheat before whole wheat though (or rice). Nutritional bang for caloric buck.0 -
It would go stale in less than a day if I left it out in the open. But why would I do that? I have more than one type of wholemeal bread, but the one I checked has 11 ingredients in addition to flour water and yeast.
ETA: I'm curious to know what this has to do with saltines, though.
Not saltiness, not sure why saltiness is in here. The idea is that commercial bread uses a number of chemical additives to make it softer, puffier, prevent it from growing mold, going stale fast. Those chemicals, plus processing of the grain make bread into a product that is used as an appetizer in the restaurants... i.e. food designed to increase your appetite. Increased appetite is not all that great a thing for weight loss or maintenance. If you have no sensitivity to wheat, whole wheat (i.w cracked wheat) or grains cooked in a traditional way will significantly change your appetite if you previously ate pasta and bread. I still would go with legumes, millet and buckwheat before whole wheat though (or rice). Nutritional bang for caloric buck.
That's funny since you value n=1 situations so much, I've been with mult people that have avoided or limited eating from the bread basket as not to fill up and save room for their apps and entrees and of course evil sugary desserts. Funny that it doesn't seem to increase their appetite but provide satiety0 -
It would go stale in less than a day if I left it out in the open. But why would I do that? I have more than one type of wholemeal bread, but the one I checked has 11 ingredients in addition to flour water and yeast.
ETA: I'm curious to know what this has to do with saltines, though.
Not saltiness, not sure why saltiness is in here. The idea is that commercial bread uses a number of chemical additives to make it softer, puffier, prevent it from growing mold, going stale fast. Those chemicals, plus processing of the grain make bread into a product that is used as an appetizer in the restaurants... i.e. food designed to increase your appetite. Increased appetite is not all that great a thing for weight loss or maintenance. If you have no sensitivity to wheat, whole wheat (i.w cracked wheat) or grains cooked in a traditional way will significantly change your appetite if you previously ate pasta and bread. I still would go with legumes, millet and buckwheat before whole wheat though (or rice). Nutritional bang for caloric buck.
Wholemeal doesn't necessarily mean wheat. While the bread I checked did contain wheat, it was not 100% whole wheat bread. It also is "all natural" so not many chemicals and many of the other ingredients were things like salt, honey, oats, oil and flax seeds. Though it does also contain high fructose corn syrup and a few stabilizers.
I eat grains cooked the traditional way often, though I'm not a big fan of millet, and probably more legumes than the average person. I also eat pizza and bread.
And I didn't ask about saltiness. I asked about saltines. My reply was to your post saying store bought bread was the same as saltine crackers. Then you asked about the number of ingredients. Just not sure of your line of thought.0 -
Davis is given to sensationalism, but he is right on the money that grain makes you gain. I think absolutely everyone should try to go clean-food only, grain-less and legume-less for 6 weeks and see the difference for themselves.
His recipes are stupid though. He tries hard to sub grain products with some false nut based crap. To do it right, no faking is required. Real veggies + meat + good fats = life's wonderful and good.
Grain makes me lose. It's a win-win. :laugh:
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You must be joking.
No. All nutritional research is lies, darn lies and more lies until you tried the concept for yourself and saw if it works for you or not.
When you stop losing weight, try dropping that toast. Everything in moderation doesn't work long term.
The lie is adherence to a fad diet while telling yourself otherwise.0 -
You must be joking.
No. All nutritional research is lies, darn lies and more lies until you tried the concept for yourself and saw if it works for you or not.
When you stop losing weight, try dropping that toast. Everything in moderation doesn't work long term.
The lie is adherence to a fad diet while telling yourself otherwise.
True statement.0
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