Needing info. on carbs and protein.....
Howland72
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I have been on so many diets just to fail, I am not claiming to be on one right now. I feel that it is different then a diet I feel I need a different lifestyle on eating, So with that said I am hoping to be able to acheive my goals. Of course I want to be skinny but I am going to take baby steps and start off with trying to figure out what is good and what is bad then move for higher one. I do have a question though, How do I figure out what all has carbs in them? I didn't know by having alot of carbs a day helps prolong your weight loss, and also what is this protein count for? I know I probably sound really dumb but maybe if I can get some answers it will help me understand more and I just might be able to succeed on this new lifestyle I am hoping to work on. Thanks in advance for any info.
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it's all about calories.....stick to a daily limit and you will lose...but remember the higher fatand carbs and fat in your calories the less food you get....the higher protein you stay full longer....the more veggies you eat the more food you get to eat each day.....so basically it's all about the choices you make0
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Protein sources = meats, eggs, legumes, greek yogurt, protein shakes......I'm positive I'm leaving something out here
Carbs = Bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, some fruits and veg like banana, artichoke and sugars.
There isn't really a necessity to cut out carbs in the beginning of a weight loss journey. It's all about balance, and eating good quality foods (wholesome vs very processed) that will keep you full. If you stop losing weight in this manner, perhaps review your diary and see if you have been to reliant on starchy foods.0 -
Protein sources = meats, eggs, legumes, greek yogurt, protein shakes......I'm positive I'm leaving something out here
Carbs = Bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, some fruits and veg like banana, artichoke and sugars.
There isn't really a necessity to cut out carbs in the beginning of a weight loss journey. It's all about balance, and eating good quality foods (wholesome vs very processed) that will keep you full. If you stop losing weight in this manner, perhaps review your diary and see if you have been to reliant on starchy foods.
You missed out Soya and Diary on the protein front! I'm sure there is more as well!
The best thing you can do is have a play with your diet over the next few months and see what works for you! Everybody is different and the only way for you to figure out what will work is by experimentation! Good luck! I am sure you will do great!! You seem to have the right attitude to start with and that is always a good thing!0 -
Just start. None of us knew the difference when we first started. Right now you need to log all your food. Just do that. Don't overwhelm yourself with getting it all "right". We all have different levels and different methods of "right".
Once you get used to logging all your food, start looking at the bottom of your Food Diary and see where you are going over and where you need to improve. Protein would be the most important one to get right, make sure you are getting all your protein every day. Then fats would be next in importance, and fill in with the carbs. Too many carbs and not enough protein will make you feel like you need to keep eating. Protein protein protein.
Baby steps. It's a learning curve. Just start. Do what you can, when you can, and with time, you will learn the details. Right now, stay under your calorie goal. Drink lots of water. Move a little more today than you did yesterday. Get 7-8 hours of sleep.
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Thanks I am going to give this a shot I honestly didn't know about protein so now that I have some knowledge on it. I am going to start reading labels better. When I was logging in my protein always had a neg. sign with it. Since now I know the more protein the more I will feel fuller I am going to am for calories and protein and still try not to go to high on fat grams.. Wow this seems overwelming but I can do it.. I need to do it for myself and my family.. Thanks everyone hope you all have a wonderful day....0
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I think I have read thing wrong. What does it mean if I have a minus sign by the protein I thought it meant I didnt have enough but now after lookin at it I think it is saying I am having too much. If I have to much is that a bad thing?0
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depends on what your protein level is set at .....but ya all it means is you went over what was set0
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I see your protein is set for 53....might be to low...I have mine set at90 or higher0
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its not about calories its about protein carbs and fat.... you should consume ALOT of protein 50% and little carbs 35% and smaller fat 15% I do 27G protein 20g carb and 3g fat per meal and 7-10g protein 5g carb and 1-2g fat for 2 snacks a day.
do this and you will be set...
NO dairy or soy... especially if you are female... Soy adds weight to thighs, belly, and waist. It is not good if you are or want to get pregnant in the future... dairy holds back weight as well. Try to limit the amount of meat you eat... i dont eat any. I eat eggs and protein shakes for my main protein source. I also eat peanut butter for a snack
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its not about calories its about protein carbs and fat.... you should consume ALOT of protein 50% and little carbs 35% and smaller fat 15% I do 27G protein 20g carb and 3g fat per meal and 7-10g protein 5g carb and 1-2g fat for 2 snacks a day. do this and you will be set...
NO dairy or soy... especially if you are female... Soy adds weight to thighs, belly, and waist. It is good if you are or want to be pregnant in the near future... dairy holds back weight as well. Try to limit the amount of meat you eat... i dont eat any. I eat eggs and protein shakes for my main protein source. I also eat peanut butter for a snack
This might be right for you, but it certainly doesn't seem to follow any recommendations that I've read anywhere else.
OP, keep it simple.
Start logging, work out what foods make you feel good (the person above doesn't choose to eat diary or soy - that's fine for her, but it doesn't mean it's right for everyone).
Don't start by cutting out any particular foods, just work on eating a large variety of foods if you can, that way you are getting a large variety of nutrients.
Once you have your calories around the right kind of numbers you can start playing around with more or less protein/carbs/fat.0 -
its not about calories its about protein carbs and fat.... you should consume ALOT of protein 50% and little carbs 35% and smaller fat 15% I do 27G protein 20g carb and 3g fat per meal and 7-10g protein 5g carb and 1-2g fat for 2 snacks a day. do this and you will be set...
NO dairy or soy... especially if you are female... Soy adds weight to thighs, belly, and waist. It is *not* good if you are or want to be pregnant in the near future... dairy holds back weight as well. Try to limit the amount of meat you eat... i dont eat any. I eat eggs and protein shakes for my main protein source. I also eat peanut butter for a snack
This might be right for you, but it certainly doesn't seem to follow any recommendations that I've read anywhere else.
OP, keep it simple.
Start logging, work out what foods make you feel good (the person above doesn't choose to eat diary or soy - that's fine for her, but it doesn't mean it's right for everyone).
Don't start by cutting out any particular foods, just work on eating a large variety of foods if you can, that way you are getting a large variety of nutrients.
Once you have your calories around the right kind of numbers you can start playing around with more or less protein/carbs/fat.
The Zone for changing bad habits and losing forever... protein keeps muscle you have and aids in slight muscle gain. You have to give your body fat in order for it to release fat, but not too much that you gain fat. Carbs is the #1 reason most people gain weight. Since carbs turns into pure white sugar, unless it is complex carbs, then it turns to complex sugar..
The regular milk thing was something possibly just with me but I would drink 1-2 glasses a day and didnt lose, then stoped with milk and BAM lost weight. Here is some info on the soy milk.--
"Soy milk may provide some health benefits for women, especially menopausal women. However, soy products are considered phytoestrogens since soy proteins contain isoflavones, which are compounds similar to estrogen. Soy milk consumption among perimenopausal women is the focus of many research studies, since soy isoflavones may have effects on a woman's hormones." - Livestrong
"But Newbold and other researchers are not convinced that eating more soy is healthy for everyone. Infants fed soy formula ingest six to 11 times more genistein on a bodyweight basis than the level known to cause hormonal effects in adults.
“Giving an infant or child estrogen is never a good thing,” said Newbold.
Though studies on the harmful effects of soy isoflavones in people have been limited and inconclusive, there’s strong evidence from animal studies that genistein alters reproduction and embryonic development, according to Newbold, a co-author of two of the new rodent studies.
In some lab studies, animals were fed doses similar to what people might get from a high-soy diet, which would be roughly 25 or more grams per day. Blood levels of genistein in people eating a lot of soy are generally in the range of one to five micromoles, or about one milligram of genistein circulating in the body of an average adult.
One study showed that genistein led to reduced fertility and abnormal embryo development in female mice. They were fed one to ten micromoles in their drinking water for four days. The highest doses were associated with fewer eggs that were successfully fertilized and increased cell death in developing embryos. Wen-Hsiung Chan at Chung Yuan Christian University in Taiwan conducted the study, which was published in July in the journal Reproductive Toxicology.
In another study, young female rats were fed high, medium, or low doses of genistein. Those fed the largest quantities from birth to weaning had reproductive effects later, including early puberty and irregular estrous cycles (similar to the menstrual cycle in humans). High doses also led to smaller litters." -ScientificAmerican0 -
Also ther is a ton of puss in regular milk. http://milk.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000969
To avoid the puss and bad fat get organic fat free milk 0 -
Everyone's got good suggestions. I have been studying nutrition fiercely since I have started using MFP, and it gets extremely complicated with what fats you want (saturated, monounsaturated, polyunsaturated), what fats you want to avoid, (trans, too much of the other three), the fatty acids you need (Omegas, in varying quantities), what kind of carbs you want to consume, (whole grains, fiber, veggies, etc), what carbs you should avoid large quantities of (anything refined, such as white rice, white flour, sugar, etc), and the various kinds of proteins and how much of each you should eat in a day.
If you want to get into all that information, it will completely boggle the mind. Follow a very simple piece of advice that I have seen many other people offer: eat more than 1200 gross calories a day, and less than what MFP recommends as your net, and you will lose weight. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.
How much of each macro nutrient to eat (protein/carbs/fat) is far too academic for our purposes, especially in the beginning of our journey. Regardless of what you eat, if you create a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. period.0 -
Everyone's got good suggestions. I have been studying nutrition fiercely since I have started using MFP, and it gets extremely complicated with what fats you want (saturated, monounsaturated, polyunsaturated), what fats you want to avoid, (trans, too much of the other three), the fatty acids you need (Omegas, in varying quantities), what kind of carbs you want to consume, (whole grains, fiber, veggies, etc), what carbs you should avoid large quantities of (anything refined, such as white rice, white flour, sugar, etc), and the various kinds of proteins and how much of each you should eat in a day.
If you want to get into all that information, it will completely boggle the mind. Follow a very simple piece of advice that I have seen many other people offer: eat more than 1200 gross calories a day, and less than what MFP recommends as your net, and you will lose weight. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.
How much of each macro nutrient to eat (protein/carbs/fat) is far too academic for our purposes, especially in the beginning of our journey. Regardless of what you eat, if you create a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. period.
^ I agree. only question... do you care what "weight" you lose? What if you are losing muscle and keeping the fat? muscle goes away very quickly and weighs more. you may end up thin and frumpy.0 -
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The Zone for changing bad habits and losing forever... protein keeps muscle you have and aids in slight muscle gain. You have to give your body fat in order for it to release fat, but not too much that you gain fat. Carbs is the #1 reason most people gain weight. Since carbs turns into pure white sugar, unless it is complex carbs, then it turns to complex sugar..
The regular milk thing was something possibly just with me but I would drink 1-2 glasses a day and didnt lose, then stoped with milk and BAM lost weight. Here is some info on the soy milk.--
"Soy milk may provide some health benefits for women, especially menopausal women. However, soy products are considered phytoestrogens since soy proteins contain isoflavones, which are compounds similar to estrogen. Soy milk consumption among perimenopausal women is the focus of many research studies, since soy isoflavones may have effects on a woman's hormones." - Livestrong
"But Newbold and other researchers are not convinced that eating more soy is healthy for everyone. Infants fed soy formula ingest six to 11 times more genistein on a bodyweight basis than the level known to cause hormonal effects in adults.
“Giving an infant or child estrogen is never a good thing,” said Newbold.
Though studies on the harmful effects of soy isoflavones in people have been limited and inconclusive, there’s strong evidence from animal studies that genistein alters reproduction and embryonic development, according to Newbold, a co-author of two of the new rodent studies.
In some lab studies, animals were fed doses similar to what people might get from a high-soy diet, which would be roughly 25 or more grams per day. Blood levels of genistein in people eating a lot of soy are generally in the range of one to five micromoles, or about one milligram of genistein circulating in the body of an average adult.
One study showed that genistein led to reduced fertility and abnormal embryo development in female mice. They were fed one to ten micromoles in their drinking water for four days. The highest doses were associated with fewer eggs that were successfully fertilized and increased cell death in developing embryos. Wen-Hsiung Chan at Chung Yuan Christian University in Taiwan conducted the study, which was published in July in the journal Reproductive Toxicology.
In another study, young female rats were fed high, medium, or low doses of genistein. Those fed the largest quantities from birth to weaning had reproductive effects later, including early puberty and irregular estrous cycles (similar to the menstrual cycle in humans). High doses also led to smaller litters." -ScientificAmerican
If short OP if you are a lab rat do not eat dairy!
If you are human however one to two serves of dairy will ensure that you have healthy bones0 -
Oh, god my head hurts.
Milk is not bad for you.
The only advice I'm going to give here is to
a) ignore the dairy scare people.
b) Search new roadmap and read that thread.
I've spent too much time on the forums this morn - someone else can address the GreyEyes posts....0 -
Oh, god my head hurts.
Milk is not bad for you.
The only advice I'm going to give here is to
a) ignore the dairy scare people.
b) Search new roadmap and read that thread.
I've spent too much time on the forums this morn - someone else can address the GreyEyes posts....
I never said dairy was bad for you 0.o I said soy was.0 -
The Zone for changing bad habits and losing forever... protein keeps muscle you have and aids in slight muscle gain. You have to give your body fat in order for it to release fat, but not too much that you gain fat. Carbs is the #1 reason most people gain weight. Since carbs turns into pure white sugar, unless it is complex carbs, then it turns to complex sugar..
"Soy milk may provide some health benefits for women, especially menopausal women. However, soy products are considered phytoestrogens since soy proteins contain isoflavones, which are compounds similar to estrogen. Soy milk consumption among perimenopausal women is the focus of many research studies, since soy isoflavones may have effects on a woman's hormones." - Livestrong
"But Newbold and other researchers are not convinced that eating more soy is healthy for everyone. Infants fed soy formula ingest six to 11 times more genistein on a bodyweight basis than the level known to cause hormonal effects in adults.
“Giving an infant or child estrogen is never a good thing,” said Newbold.
If short OP if you are a lab rat do not eat dairy!
If you are human however one to two serves of dairy will ensure that you have healthy bones
I'm sure a lab rat would be fine with milk it's soy they should be concerned with. And it states the negative affects of humans too. Like infirtility. Weight gain. Hormonal imbalances. It was in the news too. Sheesh am I the only one researching? 0 -
its not about calories its about protein carbs and fat.... you should consume ALOT of protein 50% and little carbs 35% and smaller fat 15% I do 27G protein 20g carb and 3g fat per meal and 7-10g protein 5g carb and 1-2g fat for 2 snacks a day. do this and you will be set...
NO dairy or soy... especially if you are female... Soy adds weight to thighs, belly, and waist. It is *not* good if you are or want to be pregnant in the near future... dairy holds back weight as well. Try to limit the amount of meat you eat... i dont eat any. I eat eggs and protein shakes for my main protein source. I also eat peanut butter for a snack
This might be right for you, but it certainly doesn't seem to follow any recommendations that I've read anywhere else.
OP, keep it simple.
Start logging, work out what foods make you feel good (the person above doesn't choose to eat diary or soy - that's fine for her, but it doesn't mean it's right for everyone).
Don't start by cutting out any particular foods, just work on eating a large variety of foods if you can, that way you are getting a large variety of nutrients.
Once you have your calories around the right kind of numbers you can start playing around with more or less protein/carbs/fat.
The Zone for changing bad habits and losing forever... protein keeps muscle you have and aids in slight muscle gain. You have to give your body fat in order for it to release fat, but not too much that you gain fat. Carbs is the #1 reason most people gain weight. Since carbs turns into pure white sugar, unless it is complex carbs, then it turns to complex sugar..
The regular milk thing was something possibly just with me but I would drink 1-2 glasses a day and didnt lose, then stoped with milk and BAM lost weight. Here is some info on the soy milk.--
"Soy milk may provide some health benefits for women, especially menopausal women. However, soy products are considered phytoestrogens since soy proteins contain isoflavones, which are compounds similar to estrogen. Soy milk consumption among perimenopausal women is the focus of many research studies, since soy isoflavones may have effects on a woman's hormones." - Livestrong
"But Newbold and other researchers are not convinced that eating more soy is healthy for everyone. Infants fed soy formula ingest six to 11 times more genistein on a bodyweight basis than the level known to cause hormonal effects in adults.
“Giving an infant or child estrogen is never a good thing,” said Newbold.
Though studies on the harmful effects of soy isoflavones in people have been limited and inconclusive, there’s strong evidence from animal studies that genistein alters reproduction and embryonic development, according to Newbold, a co-author of two of the new rodent studies.
In some lab studies, animals were fed doses similar to what people might get from a high-soy diet, which would be roughly 25 or more grams per day. Blood levels of genistein in people eating a lot of soy are generally in the range of one to five micromoles, or about one milligram of genistein circulating in the body of an average adult.
One study showed that genistein led to reduced fertility and abnormal embryo development in female mice. They were fed one to ten micromoles in their drinking water for four days. The highest doses were associated with fewer eggs that were successfully fertilized and increased cell death in developing embryos. Wen-Hsiung Chan at Chung Yuan Christian University in Taiwan conducted the study, which was published in July in the journal Reproductive Toxicology.
In another study, young female rats were fed high, medium, or low doses of genistein. Those fed the largest quantities from birth to weaning had reproductive effects later, including early puberty and irregular estrous cycles (similar to the menstrual cycle in humans). High doses also led to smaller litters." -ScientificAmerican
I agree with GreyEyes21. I personally find it really does matter what foods I eat. I 95% eat at a calorie deficit, but only when I have low carb, high protein days do I actually lose weight and feel good. I agree that when you start out it doesn't always matter, keep it simple and get into it slowly but for a long term weight loss it's best to have lower carb habits.
Edit to say I agree apart from the milk bit as I need milk and doesnt seem to affect my weight loss (even though I am mildly allergic/intolerant)
ALSO.. Just to say it really is down to what personally works for you. People hate on everyone that says low carb is best and they hate on people saying carbs are fine. Both works, if eating carbs isn't helping then you may be one of the people that low carbs works for. It's kind of like trial and error, find what works for you. Good luck! 0 -
Oh, god my head hurts.
Milk is not bad for you.
The only advice I'm going to give here is to
a) ignore the dairy scare people.
b) Search new roadmap and read that thread.
I've spent too much time on the forums this morn - someone else can address the GreyEyes posts....
Props for the road map mention.
Heres the link!
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/654536-in-place-of-a-road-map-2-0-revised-7-2-120 -
My best advice for you is parts and pieces of all of the above.
- First, what works for one person, doesn't always work for the next. You need to find what works for you and what you can stick with. This is the most important. If a plan is too hard to stick with for the rest of your life, then find something else.
- Second, drink lots of water. No matter what you eat, it helps keep your body hydrated.
- Third, read and keep reading. There is a ton of information out there and you need to educate yourself. Take pieces from everywhere and then give them a try.
- When you are frustrated, reach out with questions. The support and feedback on this site is amazing!
Good luck.0 -
Focus first on calorie in take. That's your bottom line. The goal MFP gives you every day, get as close to that as possible.
Next try to fill your calories with protein and fiber- a poster above listed things that are protein heavy- these things will help keep you full longer than carb heavy foods. Combo these with lots of veggie and fruit.
Focus on carbs and healthy fats (think nuts, avocados, oils) after that, both of which are necessary to overall health and energy but not as central as proteins and veggies.
And finally, try prelogging your food for the day. This is the easiest way to make sure you hit your calories, but also to get an idea what your other macros (protein, carbs, sodium, sugar) look like. If you exercise at night, either estimate the type of burn you'll have that night, or else log your exercise the morning after you do it.0 -
I think I have read thing wrong. What does it mean if I have a minus sign by the protein I thought it meant I didnt have enough but now after lookin at it I think it is saying I am having too much. If I have to much is that a bad thing?
Really don't worry about it too much. MFP's default setting has protein really low. Unless you are eating in excess of 90-100 g protein, you are fine.
Focus on calories. Don't necessarily cut out fat calories, you need fats- and many protein sources are simultaneous sources of fat (even when they are fairly lean).0 -
Really don't worry about it too much. MFP's default setting has protein really low. Unless you are eating in excess of 90-100 g protein, you are fine.
You are fine eating over 100 g of protein a day. The myth of no more then x grams per meal or x grams per day have been disproven.
Current recommendations for athletes is 1 gram (or more) per pound of body weight for protein, 0.5 gram per of body weight for fat, and the remainder of your calories from carbs. Most important is total calories, then protien. High protein diets help preserve and build muscle while losing fat. Good fats provide essiential componenets used to build hormones and are necessary. These recommendations work for non athletes as well.0 -
Everyone's got good suggestions. I have been studying nutrition fiercely since I have started using MFP, and it gets extremely complicated with what fats you want (saturated, monounsaturated, polyunsaturated), what fats you want to avoid, (trans, too much of the other three), the fatty acids you need (Omegas, in varying quantities), what kind of carbs you want to consume, (whole grains, fiber, veggies, etc), what carbs you should avoid large quantities of (anything refined, such as white rice, white flour, sugar, etc), and the various kinds of proteins and how much of each you should eat in a day.
If you want to get into all that information, it will completely boggle the mind. Follow a very simple piece of advice that I have seen many other people offer: eat more than 1200 gross calories a day, and less than what MFP recommends as your net, and you will lose weight. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.
How much of each macro nutrient to eat (protein/carbs/fat) is far too academic for our purposes, especially in the beginning of our journey. Regardless of what you eat, if you create a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. period.
^ I agree. only question... do you care what "weight" you lose? What if you are losing muscle and keeping the fat? muscle goes away very quickly and weighs more. you may end up thin and frumpy.
The way to make sure you are maintaining muscle while losing fat is to add exercise, particularly weight training. If you don't do any exercise, you will still lose weight, but you're right, you will lose muscle as well as fat.
However, for the course of this particular thread, I just wanted to point out that if you eat fewer calories, you will lose weight.0 -
Goodness, people. Stop confusing the woman!
Here's the short version. Your body uses carbohydrates for quick energy, and protein to build muscle. Too much of either of those will be stored in the body as fat, which is why you want to stick close to your calorie target. High protein foods include meats, dairy products, eggs, beans, and soy. High carbohydrate foods include breads, pastas, rice, potatoes, basically anything with a lot of sugar or starch.
Many people trying to lose weight will reduce carbohydrates and/or increase protein in their diet because doing so has the following benefits:
1. Protein is more filling that carbohydrates, which is useful when you are eating less
2. Many junk foods are high in carbohydrates; cutting out cake means you are reducing your carb intake
3. Calorie restriction burns both fat and muscle; eating more protein means less muscle loss
4. Some people find that they crave carbohydrates, and reducing carb intake reduces those cravings.
Hope this helps!0 -
I never said dairy was bad for you 0.o I said soy was.
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Oh, god my head hurts.
Milk is not bad for you.
The only advice I'm going to give here is to
a) ignore the dairy scare people.
b) Search new roadmap and read that thread.
I've spent too much time on the forums this morn - someone else can address the GreyEyes posts....
I never said dairy was bad for you 0.o I said soy was.
You said no dairy or soy if you are female
You saidAlso ther is a ton of puss in regular milk. http://milk.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000969
To avoid the puss and bad fat get organic fat free milk
This is silly. At best.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvCjYk0cd_Y&feature=g-all-c
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