Someone PLEASE tell me............ it isnt so.
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How any vegatable or fruit of ANY kind can have sodium in it is beyond me and simply devastating to me. I have not been on here all that long so some of the tricks of the trade i am learning by reading aliot on the message boards and blogs and stuff. Apparently when i set up my diary i only added calories ( well maybe that is automatic) i dont know i am so upset right now UGH! I only added protien , fat and something else, but anyway because i dont even TOUCH a salt shaker (high blood pressure) adding the "sodium bar" wasent even on my mind, and yes i know there is hidden sodium in EVERYTHING. Everything i buy is either low sodium or no sodium if it is not fresh raw veggies and fruits. Today i was reading yet another interesting topic About weight gain and one of the answers to her question was "have you checked your sodium intake? I thought well thats not my problem for sure because i watch it. Then i thought hey wait let me "add" sodium as one of the bars and started to scan thru the months to "see" WELL I FELL OFF MY CHAIR ( yes i got back up just fine :laugh: )WHEN I SAW THAT FRESH VEGGIES HAVE SODIUM. and egg whites???. kale?? .................WHAT????????? The data base has to be wrong period. The scales would not budge for me even tho i was eating "healthy" now i know why if this is true.I feel like i wasted the last 2 months and lost barely anything and was blaming it on calories and fat and stress and well everything else. Ok people lay it on me and give me the low down, say it aint so.............:sad:
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Don't even sweat it, period. SERIOUSLY.
If you're having an issue with sodium, it means that you're holding WATER weight, not FAT weight. You could very well have lost a lot more than you realize (fat weight) but in your retention of water, you won't see it on the scale!0 -
Forgive me, but I highly doubt it's the sodium in veggies and eggs that are racking up that number.0
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The scales would not budge for me even tho i was eating "healthy" now i know why if this is true.I feel like i wasted the last 2 months and lost barely anything and was blaming it on calories and fat and stress and well everything else. Ok people lay it on me and give me the low down, say it aint so.............:sad:
It is not so. Sodium has no significant effect on weight loss. Look elsewhere for reasons you are not seeing progress after 2 months.0 -
Low sodium is good, but we need sodium to function... yes there is sodium in fresh vegetables, eggs etc. Go back to a time where everything wasn't processed and you "couldn't" add salt to your food... your body still needed it - and it came from natural foods.
ETA - open your diary if you are worried about what you are eating or would like more specific help with your food0 -
If you're holding too much sodium, flush it out with water, water and more water. If it's sodium that's causing retention, you'll see the number start dipping down on the scales very shortly, and quickly. If you're not eating as healthy as you say, or watching calories......then it clearly won't go down and sodium isn't your biggest problem.0
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The good news is, unless you are under a doctor's orders to reduce sodium due to high blood pressure, sodium doesn't matter. For the vast majority of people, the body can handle extra sodium just fine. In fact, despite the anti-sodium doctrine, there is also evidence that low sodium diets aren't even good for most people.0
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tHANK YOU I LOVE YOU! :flowerforyou:Don't even sweat it, period. SERIOUSLY.
If you're having an issue with sodium, it means that you're holding WATER weight, not FAT weight. You could very well have lost a lot more than you realize (fat weight) but in your retention of water, you won't see it on the scale!0 -
Yes, there is sodium in veggies. But it is minute compared to the amount of sodium in other things. YOu are not going to go over your sodium allowance because of some fresh fruits and veggies. I eat a plant based diet, and on days that I do not eat any processed foods, my sodium intake is VERY low, despite the fact that all I eat is fruits and veggies. The days when it is high, it is because I have eaten something processed and/or gone out to eat. Fruits and veggies are great for your body!0
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Unless you have an issue specific with sodium, delete the column concentrate on the important things.0
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Ummmm....Your body needs sodium. About 2000 mg a day. More if you are losing a lot through sweat. Unless you have chronic kidney disease, heart disease or high blood pressure, you body does a very good job of eliminating excess amounts. I'm not saying you should eat 5 G of sodium a day....but you could probably worry a bit less about it.0
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Has your doctor giving you a target for your sodium levels? You do need some sodium in your body....and yes, pretty much everything has sodium in it. But for comparison - 1/4tsp of iodized salt has 590mg, while 1 cup of chopped raw carrots has 88mg. So, it's not really a big deal.0
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If you are drinking enough fluids this shouldn't be a problem at all, and the fact that most fruit and vegetables have lots of potassium in them as well, should make the sodium in those foods a non-issue. Most likely if you were stalling it was from something else.0
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Sodium is in items like vegetables, but the health benefits of veggies and egg whites etc. far outweigh the sodium's "damage." We need a bit of sodium to live, even those of us with high blood pressure (I'm with you there), so please comfort yourself that you are doing a GREAT job with your intake if you're not even picking up a salt shaker, and you should not be freaking out about the minimal amount in healthy, natural, whole foods.
I can say pretty confidently it's not why you aren't losing weight. It's hard to know what else is affecting you--the big picture--but the impact of veggies on a high sodium intake is minimal.0 -
Make that diary pubic so we can see it.0
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How any vegatable or fruit of ANY kind can have sodium in it is beyond me and simply devastating to me. I have not been on here all that long so some of the tricks of the trade i am learning by reading aliot on the message boards and blogs and stuff. Apparently when i set up my diary i only added calories ( well maybe that is automatic) i dont know i am so upset right now UGH! I only added protien , fat and something else, but anyway because i dont even TOUCH a salt shaker (high blood pressure) adding the "sodium bar" wasent even on my mind, and yes i know there is hidden sodium in EVERYTHING. Everything i buy is either low sodium or no sodium if it is not fresh raw veggies and fruits. Today i was reading yet another interesting topic About weight gain and one of the answers to her question was "have you checked your sodium intake? I thought well thats not my problem for sure because i watch it. Then i thought hey wait let me "add" sodium as one of the bars and started to scan thru the months to "see" WELL I FELL OFF MY CHAIR ( yes i got back up just fine :laugh: )WHEN I SAW THAT FRESH VEGGIES HAVE SODIUM. and egg whites???. kale?? .................WHAT????????? The data base has to be wrong period. The scales would not budge for me even tho i was eating "healthy" now i know why if this is true.I feel like i wasted the last 2 months and lost barely anything and was blaming it on calories and fat and stress and well everything else. Ok people lay it on me and give me the low down, say it aint so.............:sad:
You are making it too complicated. Just eat the healthy foods. Your body needs some sodium. Check with your doctor if you are unsure. Same with natural sugar in foods.
You body adjusts to the amount of sodium intake, it's only when you make sudden changes that spikes happen with water retention or release.
Take a deep breath and talk to your doctor.0 -
How any vegatable or fruit of ANY kind can have sodium in it is beyond me and simply devastating to me. I have not been on here all that long so some of the tricks of the trade i am learning by reading aliot on the message boards and blogs and stuff. Apparently when i set up my diary i only added calories ( well maybe that is automatic) i dont know i am so upset right now UGH! I only added protien , fat and something else, but anyway because i dont even TOUCH a salt shaker (high blood pressure) adding the "sodium bar" wasent even on my mind, and yes i know there is hidden sodium in EVERYTHING. Everything i buy is either low sodium or no sodium if it is not fresh raw veggies and fruits. Today i was reading yet another interesting topic About weight gain and one of the answers to her question was "have you checked your sodium intake? I thought well thats not my problem for sure because i watch it. Then i thought hey wait let me "add" sodium as one of the bars and started to scan thru the months to "see" WELL I FELL OFF MY CHAIR ( yes i got back up just fine :laugh: )WHEN I SAW THAT FRESH VEGGIES HAVE SODIUM. and egg whites???. kale?? .................WHAT????????? The data base has to be wrong period. The scales would not budge for me even tho i was eating "healthy" now i know why if this is true.I feel like i wasted the last 2 months and lost barely anything and was blaming it on calories and fat and stress and well everything else. Ok people lay it on me and give me the low down, say it aint so.............:sad:
The body needs sodium, it needs a minimum of 500mg per day - less than that and it is dangerous and can be life-threatening. Stick to between 500 and 1600 per day and there is no need to worry.
Don't blame sodium for any weighgain or stagnation of weight if your daily salt intake is within these boundaries.0 -
Sodium is NATURAL! You NEED it to live. Our bodies NEED sodium. Do not use it as an additive, ESPECIALLY if you have high blood-pressure problems but PLEASE make sure you get ENOUGH of it
Sorry for all the exclamation, but I hope you don't do anything that could harm your body! 0 -
Sodium only causes you to retain water so I don't think it's your problem because most people eat way more salt than they need and yes, sodium occurs naturally in just about everything which is why you don't need to add salt to your food.
If you aren't losing you need to re evaluate what you are doing in regard to calorie intake but I wouldn't blame it on the salt.0 -
II ment maybe i was retaining fluid. Yes i knew that taking salt away wont make you loose fat, but i wasnt thinking about my weigh in when it showed no loss that it could be fluid. when i added the "sodium bar" i was shocked to see how much i was eating and some came from fresh veggies.The scales would not budge for me even tho i was eating "healthy" now i know why if this is true.I feel like i wasted the last 2 months and lost barely anything and was blaming it on calories and fat and stress and well everything else. Ok people lay it on me and give me the low down, say it aint so.............:sad:
It is not so. Sodium has no significant effect on weight loss. Look elsewhere for reasons you are not seeing progress after 2 months.0 -
I don't necessarily disagree with anybody here, but I did alter my fruit/veg intake slightly when I started noticing the sodium column in MFP. I For example, I didn't find out until a couple of months ago that celery has a significant amount of sodium in it. That used to be 'mindless eating' food (raw, no dressing, etc). My thought was "Eh, it almost all water and very few calories; eat a pound if you want cuz it doesn't matter." I still eat celery, I just no longer sit a bowl in front of me and eat it mindless like some people do chips, cookies, etc.0
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I dont have it public because there is days i forget to log my water at all and i dont log my excercise at all Becasue it was confusing me on what i had left and how much to eat and when i first started mfp had me at 1200 cals but from reading the message boards and the "you are not eating enough" blogs i upped mine to 1500 i didnt feel like defending well one day you didnt eat enough and here you didnt have any water and so on. But i will open my diary if people think it will help.Make that diary pubic so we can see it.0 -
How any vegatable or fruit of ANY kind can have sodium in it is beyond me.
It's because sodium is a naturally occurring mineral that is in our soil and water. So anything that grows on this earth, especially plants, will have some level of natural sodium in them since they use the soil and water to grow and survive. And animals eat food grown in the soil and drink water that has sodium in it so the meat that we eat has naturally occurring sodium in it as well. And most seafood is going to be higher in sodium than other meats due to the environment.
I won't reiterate what everyone else has already said, since it's pretty much all been said accurately along the way. But I didn't see anyone give you an answer/reason as to why the food actually has the sodium in it to begin with.0 -
ok that thank you note was suppose to go here , theres to much to learn on here. lol thanks againHow any vegatable or fruit of ANY kind can have sodium in it is beyond me.
It's because sodium is a naturally occurring mineral that is in our soil and water. So anything that grows on this earth, especially plants, will have some level of natural sodium in them since they use the soil and water to grow and survive. And animals eat food grown in the soil and drink water that has sodium in it so the meat that we eat has naturally occurring sodium in it as well. And most seafood is going to be higher in sodium than other meats due to the environment.
I won't reiterate what everyone else has already said, since it's pretty much all been said accurately along the way. But I didn't see anyone give you an answer/reason as to why the food actually has the sodium in it to begin with. Thank you, i guess it was like turning on a light bulb in a dark room, i was scrolling back thru months and for breakfast one day i had 3000 mg of sodium and i wasnt done with the day! Because when i first started on here the focus seemed to be (from what i was reading) calories in calories out thats all you need to worry about stick with your calories and your good to go so i was thinkin fine if i want a big mac and i log it and it fits in my calories im good and i will loose weight and then as i was looking some more i was saying OMG even veggies have it im so screwed. I was hoping it was wrong but WOW now i know. These guys that have been on here for some time know the in and outs for sure, thanks all for your advice and info
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Ok just to clarify i wasent blaming my lack of weight loss or weight gain on veggies by any means. I think the shock for me was when i added the "sodium bar" to my diary (I have not touched a salt shaker in over a year) and i was going back thru my diary just to see how much i was consuming and for breakfast one day i had 3 turkey sausage links @ 140 cal each sodium levels totaling over 2000 just for breakfast . I wont be eating those ever again now that i know. So as i kept scrolling thru then i was like omg even veggies have it ? NOOOOOOOOO! My world just crashed for a minute thats all. But thank you guys for all your advice and wisdom. :drinker: and telling me to drink more water which i was slacking.0
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Sodium is a naturally occurring and necessary mineral.0
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I will disagree with anyone who says that ignoring your sodium is 'fine' . You do need SMALL amounts of it yes but the average person gets WAY WAY more than they need. High sodium can lead to an increased risk of high blood pressure and thus increase your risk factor for stroke, as well as heart and kidney disease. If you choose to 'ignore' the sodium your kids eat/drink you are also putting them at risk for high blood pressure or the development of high blood pressure later in life.
2,300 mg /day is the UPPER limit. The recommended is more like 1,500 mg... excess sodium will cause you to retain water unless you counter it with potassium and/or drinking more water (go for pale/clear urine). If your not getting pale/clear then you need to drink more water. Same if you have bags under your eyes - you are dehydrated.0 -
2,300 mg /day is the UPPER limit. The recommended is more like 1,500 mg.
That is highly in dispute among researchers and doctors.
But, bottom line, you only NEED about 500 mg a day and it isn't difficult to keep it in check if you stay away from highly processed foods. I struggle to get 1,000 mg a day and I eat a LOT of cheese.0 -
Yes, sodium is found in food, including vegetables. Our bodies need sodium. Having too little can be just as dangerous as having too much. But it would be very hard to get too much sodium from that found naturally in foods. Even if you ate a lot of seafood, which is grows in salt water, it would still be pretty hard. While vegetables and fruit do you have sodium, other than possibly seavegetables, the sodium content is low.0
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2,300 mg /day is the UPPER limit. The recommended is more like 1,500 mg.
That is highly in dispute among researchers and doctors.
But, bottom line, you only NEED about 500 mg a day and it isn't difficult to keep it in check if you stay away from highly processed foods. I struggle to get 1,000 mg a day and I eat a LOT of cheese.
Not everyone is lacto-ovo vegetarian. This does not constitute a 'normal' diet.
The upper limit seems to be highly quoted by the mayo clinic as well as USDA , CDC , Canadian as well as Australian health agencies.. Sorry I stopped looking after that.. How many more health agencies and doctors would you like?
http://www.cdc.gov/features/dssodium/
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/82-003-x/2006004/article/sodium/4148995-eng.htm
http://www.nrv.gov.au/nutrients/sodium.htm
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sodium/NU00284
http://www.livestrong.com/article/411769-usda-sodium-levels/0 -
2,300 mg /day is the UPPER limit. The recommended is more like 1,500 mg.
That is highly in dispute among researchers and doctors.
But, bottom line, you only NEED about 500 mg a day and it isn't difficult to keep it in check if you stay away from highly processed foods. I struggle to get 1,000 mg a day and I eat a LOT of cheese.
Not everyone is lacto-ovo vegetarian. This does not constitute a 'normal' diet.
The upper limit seems to be highly quoted by the mayo clinic as well as USDA , CDC , Canadian as well as Australian health agencies.. Sorry I stopped looking after that.. How many more health agencies and doctors would you like?
http://www.cdc.gov/features/dssodium/
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/82-003-x/2006004/article/sodium/4148995-eng.htm
http://www.nrv.gov.au/nutrients/sodium.htm
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sodium/NU00284
http://www.livestrong.com/article/411769-usda-sodium-levels/
The upper limit, yes, But not the 1,500 number.
And while, no, not everyone is vegetarian, it is still very possible and not that difficult to keep your levels down by avoiding over-processed food. If you cook your own food at home for the most part, your sodium levels will not be especially high. People add salt to their food because they never learned to season it any other way.
Even as a vegetarian, if I eat a meal in a restauraunt, my sodium for the day can be as high as 6,000 mg. But if I made the same meal at home, it would be within the normal range. How much sodium is in a plain chicken breast?0
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