red meat addict
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While I never meant for this to become a carnivore v. herbivore thread, I will say that when I went vegetarian for about 6 months I gained 25 pounds, because the only thing that ever sounded good was cheese pizza. I think I definitely need lean meats in my diet in order to stay sane.0
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Argue if you like, but the Standard American Diet has made us the fattest and most disease ridden society on earth.
If ya swill lots of beer (carbs), eat lots of fries (carbs), eat lots of refined and processed foods (cakes, biscuits, breads and cereals again CARBS) then you will get fat...this is what the US and most Western corporations support or push....the meat and the fat on the meat are not what makes people fat...the excess consumption of mostly carbs are what causes fat storage, although if you overate meat and only meat then I am sure the same would occur, but it is very hard to overeat protein on its own.
By carbs I mean simple carbs, complex carbs, like the non starchy vegetables are excellent...
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Argue if you like, but the Standard American Diet has made us the fattest and most disease ridden society on earth.
If ya swill lots of beer (carbs), eat lots of fries (carbs), eat lots of refined and processed foods (cakes, biscuits, breads and cereals again CARBS) then you will get fat...this is what the US and most Western corporations support or push....the meat and the fat on the meat are not what makes people fat...the excess consumption of mostly carbs are what causes fat storage, although if you overate meat and only meat then I am sure the same would occur, but it is very hard to overeat protein on its own.
By carbs I mean simple carbs, complex carbs, like the non starchy vegetables are excellent...
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Crap...ACG is here...*air raid siren* all people who have a bias against any particular food, get into the shelter quickly! This guy's about to start bombarding everything you believe about particular foods being bad into the ground! I might dislike the guy if he wasn't always right. :laugh:0 -
bahaha! no, he is a monster though! my iron levels were borderline my whole pregnanacy i think it was my bodies way of staying ontop of it.0
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Cows are there because we eat them and/or use their milk, no guilt required.
Sorry, but "cows are there" and millions upon millions (upon millions) of cows and pigs and birds are killed daily because we have created a society which feels it simply must have that meat. It's a fantasy cultivated lovingly by huge corporations...(Milk, for example, is not intended for humans, but probably 99 of 100 people think it "does a body good") :laugh:
Argue if you like, but the Standard American Diet has made us the fattest and most disease ridden society on earth.
The Standard American Diet is too high in calories.....that's what has made us fat. Not certain food groups.0 -
Don't feel like going through the whole thread, but my grandfather had a farm in the Pacific and I've spent a few summers on it. I've killed and eaten fish raw about 30 seconds after catching it (not nearly as good as fresh sushi when it's so salty, but it went down alright).
At 10, I had a pet pig (Ms. Piggy) that I had to prepare for a party. It was meant to be a learning experience for me. I shot her in the head, gutted and cleaned her, and butchered her for cooking. Ms. Piggy helped feed a gathering of about 50 people.
I still eat fish, and pig, and cow, and whatever the hell else there is. I'll eat my steaks blue-rare if the restaurant will allow it, and I don't need a lot of seasoning either. Usually just some pepper. Also I season my veggies. I like steamed broc with lemon and pepper just fine, but raw isn't nearly as good. Potatoes taste like hell raw, but cooked are fantastamazing.
Lastly I'd like to hear you say with a straight face that the modern agriculture business is healthy for the environment. Those folks harvesting grain and corn and soy are doing such fantastic things for mother earth.
Being jacked does ****ing matter to me, tyvm.
Don't preach to me about being a murderer, and I won't preach to you about being a...you know what? It's not worth the strike for throwing insults. I'll just go have a steak. You can think you're somehow better or healthier than me and that's fine, more meat for me.0 -
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Steak FTW!
Eyes in front, canines = predator.
More importantly: grill, seasoning and marinade = an awesome meat dish!
There's nature and nurture for you.0 -
I didn't quit smoking because I was scared of cancer. I quit because not being able to breathe was turning me into a little ***** under the iron. Death comes for everyone. Might as well be a badass while you wait for it.
Says the guy who has been lifting for 2 months. lolz.0 -
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Given the choice of a t-bone or a turnip, I'm gonna drip spit on the steak.Natural appetite: Our mouths water at the sights and smells of the produce market. These are living foods, the source of our sustenance. But the smell of animals usually puts us off. Meat eaters' mouths water at the sight of prey, and they react to the smell of animals as though they sense food.
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I used to be the same way until I watched this documentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce4DJh-L7Ys&feature=plcp
I went from Atkins diet (eating nothing but meat) to Vegetarian the second I watched it. That was two and half years ago and I haven't had any desire to eat meat since.
Buy from a small local farm that takes care of their cows and slaughters them humanely. Problem solved.0 -
I haven't read all the comments so if someone said this sorry. As someone who has been deathly anemic and knows what its like to crave meat- as rare as possible- you might want to add a vitamin with iron into your diet. Iron pills are deathly hard on your system and I can only manage about 1-2 a week of them. My favorite daily vitamin which is the only one that doesn't kill my bowls (sorry ugly word) is Flintstones with iron- I take two a day and find I feel like myself again. I know its for kids but its mild and gives you what you need. Good luck and if you still want red meat often- just eat it. You're body tells you what you need.0
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i love meat....my steak is med-rare.....i laugh when i see comments from people saying after they watched a video they became
vegetarian.....ive watched them.....i still eat meat.....yes i do have a heart
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Agreed. They are very stupid. They eat & poop. Don't feel guilty about eating red meat. What other purpose do cows serve?Our bodies tend to crave what we need, so you may be a bit low on iron. And cows may be cute, but they are stupid. Take it from someone who owns about 60 of them. No guilt there, believe me.
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All of the "studies" on red meat finding increased risk of cancer are pretty much based on the higher fat content.
Do you know what contributed to our increased brain size? Meat.
We have canine teeth, we are designed to eat red meat. And as for "real carnivores", would you rather me disembowl and partially eat the cow before it's dead?
Humans vs. Carnivores
The following is an incomplete list of the major differences between humans and carnivorous creatures.
• Walking: We have two hands and two feet, and we walk erect. All of the carnivores have four feet and perform their locomotion using all fours.
• Tails: Carnivores have tails.
• Tongues: Only the truly carnivorous animals have rasping (rough) tongues. All other creatures have smooth tongues.
• Claws: Our lack of claws makes ripping skin or tough flesh extremely difficult. We possess much weaker, flat fingernails instead.
• Opposable thumbs: Our opposable thumbs make us extremely well equipped to collect a meal of fruit in a matter of a few seconds. Most people find the process effortless. All we have to do is pick it. The claws of allow them to catch their prey in a matter of seconds as well. We could no more catch and rip the skin or tough flesh of a deer or bear barehanded than a lion could pick mangos or bananas.
• Births: Humans usually have children one at a time. Carnivores typically give birth to litters.
• Colon formation: Our convoluted colons are quite different in design from the smooth colons of carnivorous animals.
• Intestinal length: Our intestinal tracts measure roughly times the length of our torsos (about 30 feet). This allows for the slow absorption of sugars and other water-borne nutrients from fruit. In contrast, the digestive tract of a carnivore is only 3 times the length of its torso. This is necessary to avoid rotting or decomposition of flesh inside the animal. The carnivore depends upon highly acidic secretions to facilitate rapid digestion and absorption in its very short tube. Still, the putrefaction of proteins and the rancidity of fats is evident in their feces.
• Mammary glands: The multiple teats on the abdomens of carnivores do not coincide with the pair of mammary glands on the chest of humans.
• Sleep: Humans spend roughly two thirds of every 24-hour cycle actively awake. Carnivores typically sleep and rest from 18 to 20 hours per day and sometimes more.
• Microbial tolerance: Most carnivores can digest microbes that would be deadly for humans, such as those that cause botulism.
• Perspiration: Humans sweat from pores on their entire body. Carnivores sweat from the tongues only.
The 80/10/10 Diet
• Vision: Our sense of vision responds to the full spectrum of color, making it possible to distinguish ripe from unripe fruit at a distance. Meat eaters do not typically see in full color.
• Meal size: Fruit is in scale to our food requirements. It our hands. A few pieces of fruit is enough to make a meal, leaving no waste. Carnivores typically eat the entire animal when they kill it.
• Drinking: Should we need to drink water, we can suck it with our lips, but we cannot lap it up. Carnivores' tongues protrude outward so they can lap water when they need to drink.
• Placenta: We have a discoid-style placenta, whereas the carnivores have placentas.
• Vitamin C: Carnivores manufacture their own vitamin For us, vitamin C is an essential nutrient that we must get from our food.
• Jaw movement: Our ability to grind our food is unique to plant eaters. Meat eaters have no lateral movement in their jaws.
• Dental formula: Mammalogists use a system called the "dental formula" to describe the arrangement of teeth in each quadrant of the jaws of an animal's mouth. This refers to the number of incisors, canines, and molars in each of the four quadrants. Starting from the center and moving outward, our formula, and that of most anthropoids, is 2/1/5. The dental formula for carnivores is 3/l/5-to-8.
• Teeth: The molars of a carnivore are pointed and sharp. Ours are primarily flat, for mashing food. Our "canine" teeth bear no resemblance to true fangs. Nor do we have a mouth full of them, as a true carnivore does. I am reminded of one of Abraham Lincoln's favorite retorts: "If you counted a sheep's tail as a leg, how many legs would it have?" Invariably, people would answer, "five." To which Lincoln would respond: "Only four. the tail as a leg doesn't make it one."
• Tolerance for fat: We do not handle more than small quantities of fat well. Meat eaters thrive on a high-fat diet.
• SaUva and urine pH: All of the plant-eating creatures (including healthy humans) maintain alkaline saliva and urine most of the time. The saliva and urine of the meat eating animals, however, is acidic.
• Diet pH: Carnivores thrive on a diet of acid-forming foods, whereas such a diet is deadly to humans, setting the stage for a wide variety of disease states. Our preferred foods are all alkaline-forming.
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Chapter Determining Our True Dietary Nature
• Stomach acid pH: The level of the hydrochloric acid that humans produce in their stomachs generally ranges about 3 to 4 or higher but can go as low as 2.0. (0 most acidic, 7 neutral, 14 most alkaline). The stomach acid of cats and other meat eaters can be in the range and usually runs in the 2s. Because the pH scale is logarithmic, this means the stomach acid of a carnivore is at least times stronger than that of a human and can be or even 1,000 times stronger.
• Uricase: True carnivores secrete an enzyme called to metabolize the uric acid in flesh. We secrete none and so must neutralize this strong acid with our alkaline minerals, primarily calcium. The resulting calcium urate crystals are one of the many pathogens of meat eating, in this case giving rise to or contributing to arthritis, rheumatism, and bursitis.
• Digestive enzymes: Our digestive enzymes are geared to make for easy fruit digestion. We produce known as salivary to initiate the digestion of fruit. Meat-eating animals do not produce any ptyalin and have completely different digestive enzyme ratios.
• Sugar metabolism: The glucose and fructose in fruits fuel our cells without straining our pancreas (unless we eat a high-fat diet). Meat eaters do not handle sugars well. They are prone to diabetes if they eat a diet that is predominated by fruit.
• Intestinal flora: Humans have different bacterial colonies (flora) living in their intestines than those found in animals. The ones that are similar, such as lactobacillus and e. are found in different ratios in the plant eaters' intestines as compared to those of the
• Liver size: Carnivores have proportionately larger livers in comparison to their body size than humans.
• Cleanliness: We are the most particular of all creatures about the cleanliness of our food. Carnivores are the least picky, and will eat dirt, bugs, organic debris, and other items along with their food.
• Natural appetite: Our mouths water at the sights and smells of the produce market. These are living foods, the source of our sustenance. But the smell of animals usually puts us off. Meat eaters' mouths water at the sight of prey, and they react to the smell of animals as though they sense food.
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hate to burst your bubble here but the T-rex walked on 2 legs and was most definitely a carnivore. I don't know where you got that list but...oh well....
Our bodies require certain nutrients and vitamins that are found in meats and dairy and I would much rather get them naturally than take a synthetic pill.0 -
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"You know what else it's associated with? Being jacked as ****. Show me someone who doesn't eat red meat that can deadlift more than 800 lbs., and I'll kiss your *kitten*. Oh, that's right, my lips are safe, as they don't exist anymore. People used to be able to get great results with whole milk, but that's just as illegal as pot in the US now."
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I don't have a need or desire to deadlift 800 lbs, but I don't eat meat and I deadlift 450. I'm one of the few at my CrossFit gym who's "Totals" number (deadlift, press and squat) is over 1,000 lbs. Me, the non-meat eater, vs a few hundred paleo athletes, and guess who's in the top 5% in strength... Me.0 -
Another mammal carnivore that doen't have 4 legs - whales! And chimpanzees just love to munch on smaller monkeys.0
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Our bodies tend to crave what we need, so you may be a bit low on iron. And cows may be cute, but they are stupid. Take it from someone who owns about 60 of them. No guilt there, believe me.
ETA: Meat is murder. Tasty, tasty murder.
Is there really a need to say something so horrible? :huh: Since when does stupidity equate to a life form being deserving of murder? I know a lot of very stupid people, but sure wouldn't eat them. What a dumb-*kitten* comment to make.
Animals and people are not the same at all. Talk about a dumb-*kitten* comment. Killing animals is in no way shape or form, murder. I eat meat because its good. I dont care if they are cute or how bad it makes some people feel. I will walk through a chicken farm eating a bucket of KFC.
Humans aren't animals? LOL :laugh: What planet are you living on? Would you eat meat fresh and raw off the bone of an animal you'd bothered to kill yourself, like a real carnivore?
I have actually done this, and no, it didn't make me sick like some dolts claim it will. What makes you sick is eating raw meat that has had time to accumulate bacteria in the natural process of decomposition.
You just have to watch the blood consumption. That will make you nauseous pretty quickly, but it does the same thing to pretty much any animal, short of some carnivorous fish who can actually live in blood.
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Didn't want to read through all the comments, so I'm not sure if this has already been said, but is it around that time of the month?? Ordinarily, I don't really enjoy eating red meat, but during that time, all I crave is beef BEEF BEEF!!! lol0
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Cows are there because we eat them and/or use their milk, no guilt required.
Sorry, but "cows are there" and millions upon millions (upon millions) of cows and pigs and birds are killed daily because we have created a society which feels it simply must have that meat. It's a fantasy cultivated lovingly by huge corporations...(Milk, for example, is not intended for humans, but probably 99 of 100 people think it "does a body good") :laugh:
Argue if you like, but the Standard American Diet has made us the fattest and most disease ridden society on earth.
The Standard American Diet is too high in calories.....that's what has made us fat. Not certain food groups.
Look at the old SAD Food Pyramid we were taught in the 60s & 70s and 80s to live by, and raise our kids on....Meat, Cheese, Milk form the base.0 -
Agreed. They are very stupid. They eat & poop. Don't feel guilty about eating red meat. What other purpose do cows serve?Our bodies tend to crave what we need, so you may be a bit low on iron. And cows may be cute, but they are stupid. Take it from someone who owns about 60 of them. No guilt there, believe me.
ETA: Meat is murder. Tasty, tasty murder.
Pigs are as (or more intelligent than) most dogs. Look it up. In fact, pigs can learn most tasks almost as fast as chimps...Would you eat a dog? Would you eat a chimp?
Would you cage a dog or a chimp in a tiny enclosure with 100,000 other dogs and chimps, then shoot them all in the head ...then eat them? . pigs probably know what suffering is, and fear.
So why cause them to be killed? Because they taste good?
That's a reason, sure, just not much of one.0 -
I don't have a need or desire to deadlift 800 lbs, but I don't eat meat and I deadlift 450. I'm one of the few at my CrossFit gym who's "Totals" number (deadlift, press and squat) is over 1,000 lbs. Me, the non-meat eater, vs a few hundred paleo athletes, and guess who's in the top 5% in strength... Me.
And that's completely fine, as your goals don't match mine. Hell, I'm only two months into lifting, so my PRs aren't that great myself. I am just curious though as to what you weigh. 450 is an insane number for a small person, but for someone my size, not so much.0 -
All I have to say to the militant vegans..... I'll be thinking of you when I make my deer chili this weekend!
Just finished processing my first kill of the season. Good eating awaits.0 -
I used to love red meat too, but since I got pregnant, I have absolutely no interest in it.
Weird.
Just make sure you're measuring your food so you know how much you're eating and fit it into your calorie budget and macro budget, and you should be fine to eat it as you like.0 -
Welcome into the perfect world of paleo.......if it has a face = eat it!
YES! And in 20 or so years YOU won't need a toilet because you will be SH***** in a Tube out the side of your Colon!0 -
Welcome into the perfect world of paleo.......if it has a face = eat it!
YES! And in 20 or so years YOU won't need a toilet because you will be SH***** in a Tube out the side of your Colon!
Hmmm..I am almost 29 and I have easily eaten meat over 20 years, yet no poop bag for me. Fail!0 -
Welcome into the perfect world of paleo.......if it has a face = eat it!
YES! And in 20 or so years YOU won't need a toilet because you will be SH***** in a Tube out the side of your Colon!
Ummmm - why would this happen?0 -
Welcome into the perfect world of paleo.......if it has a face = eat it!
YES! And in 20 or so years YOU won't need a toilet because you will be SH***** in a Tube out the side of your Colon!
You make kitty scared...she loved her duck and fish, but now she is cuddled up against my neck, terrified of the colon cancer fairy.0
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