"Doctors are _______ to Fat Patients"
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I am so happy everyone knows how MY body works! I have never been so informed about MY personal situation with my weight gain.
Some very nice supportive voices..Thank You those people...and we go back to approach for the others.
Never assume you know the entire story:)
Is there more to the story? Do you mind sharing any more of the story then? What you claim is new to us and didn't make sense based on science so please inform us in that case, if you don't mind.0 -
If you have a high body fat percentage you are unhealthy. Just sayin!!!0
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I am so happy everyone knows how MY body works! I have never been so informed about MY personal situation with my weight gain.
Some very nice supportive voices..Thank You those people...and we go back to approach for the others.
Never assume you know the entire story:)
Nutritional science is called that for a reason. While I am not disagreeing that your personal situation is your own that does not mean that people who have successfully lost weight do not know what they are talking about. Your rationale (that you explained in this thread) is not an accurate expression of how the body works under normal conditions. Perhaps you did not explain it the way that you meant, but the people that responded to you were only trying to further your understanding. You really should be a little more open-minded.0 -
I was fatter than I am now, down 38 lbs now and much stronger and healthier, but still consider myself fat. My doctor was fat, telling me to lose weight. Then she lost the weight on some stupid weight loss program involving bars and shakes. She gained it back. She was still telling me to lose weight. She was never ****ty to me. I think she is concerned for me and my health at a young age. This blogger is ridiculous......
I work in the medical industry, and yes, being fat is not good for anyone's health. It also increases the cost of everyone's insurance due to the fact that people who are overweight have more medical problems, go to the doctor more, and have more medical procedures. Since we cannot "prorate" insurance based on preventable conditions one may have and how much they use their insurance, we all pay the same rates. So, yes, obesity in turn hurts everyone (with their own insurance, that is).
National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance my *kitten*. It's just another "group" to scream discrimination. Just get out there and do what millions of other people are doing (including all of us on MFP) - lose the damn weight. The doctors seem "****ty" to this woman because she is LAZY and blogs about being fat and how horrible it is. This is the general picture of America to many other countries - fat, lazy, and take no responsibility for things that are their fault.
I'm still fat, but taking responsibility for what I did to myself......... :drinker:0 -
Yes, damn those doctors for telling people to get healthy. :huh:
Really? Losing weight /= healthy.
Since I was 10, the first thing every doctor ever said to me is: You need to lose some weight. Never mattered what I came in to see them about. They never gave me and info or help on how to do this. Most of them seem to believe being fat is the root of every health problem I've had.
Basing off your ticker, which has a highest weight of 300lbs, yes that IS unhealthy. Losing weight would YES = healthy. Did you ever ask your doctor for any info?! Sorry to say, but at 300lbs, being fat was probrably a major factor in health problems.
I don't get why you disagree that to lose weight would be healthier. You are here to lose weight..........
agreed. 300 lbs could very well be the source for all your health problems, lol. Denial.0 -
I am so happy everyone knows how MY body works! I have never been so informed about MY personal situation with my weight gain.
Some very nice supportive voices..Thank You those people...and we go back to approach for the others.
Never assume you know the entire story:)
What is the story? How does your body, and only your body, go against all medical science?
Do you know what "spontaneous generation" is? It's when people used to correlate things improperly; ex: I threw a pile of dirty, food laden rags in the corner. The next day, there are a bunch of rats. I think, "Oh my, the rats generated from the rags."
That is an old pseudoscience that has been disproved for hundreds of years.
You sitting here saying you are completely healthy at around 300 lbs, and that you gained 300 lbs because you just "don't eat that much" and you're saying you KNOW you gained weight simply because of undereating... is similar to spontaneous generation. It seems like you're making a correlation here that is clearly not "causation."
Really, I asked if you were sure you didn't have medical problems because, knowing as much about nutritional science as I do having gone through so much "eating rehab," as well as dealing with several hormonal problems, I have to think there's something else at play. In which case, I'm asking and still in this thread chain out of concern for a possible condition you're not being diagnosed with.0 -
Some doctors are ignorant to fat patients.
It is all about the approach.
Educate yourself...discover why someone is overweight and go from there...NEVER ASSUME YOU KNOW!
I am fat..why? I overeat? I dont' excercise?....Neither of these things. I am fat because I do NOT eat. I used to eat once a day maybe even once every two days. I do not eat sweet.
So think about your approach.....I said to my Dr. once....Do you think I woke up this morning, looked in the mirror and went..holy crap! Im fat!
What you might consider healthy is not what I would consider healthy! Remember that!
You got fat by not eating? Do you just mean not eating by mouth or some nuance you are leaving out? Because a lack of calories can not cause fat gain.
If you starve yourself what do you think will happen to every calorie you put in your mouth..it hoards it..you do this for years what do you think will happen. There are several factors for people to be overweight. A doctor should discuss solutions and aids to help with these factors for a patient to be successful. I am overweight, I have no medical issues thankfully and I consider myself healthy.
If I starve myself I know what will happen. I will lose fat because my body will have to burn stored fat for energy. I will also lose weight in the form of muscle and possibly organ loss. If I do this for years I will eventually die. Though if we are talking about actually starving, it won't take years.0 -
Something needs to seriously happen in the country.... A large portion are going down a very slippery slope and leaving tax payers to pick up the pieces and pay medical costs associated.
I work for a mobidly obese woman...Shes very nice and after a serious health scare, she has started to change her ways but shes going right back down the road she was on.
Most people don't want to be accountable for their actions.... I know when I went from 115 to 145 in 6 months I sure didn't. I blamed the depo shot. Yes it made me much more hungry but I could have chose to eat an apple or something similar rather then toodel down the mcdonalds and get a 10 piece chicken mcnugget or order a pizza.
Yes everyone needs to be treated with dignity and respect but they also need to be held accountable for their actions0 -
I love the people advocating that being overweight isn't unhealthy, seeing as they are on a weight loss website.
Not everyone wants to lose weight for their health. They may want to boost their self esteem, escape judgement and ridicule, or just look hot.
Just reading this thread on this site shows that ridicule abounds for the overweight.0 -
i can see the issue to a degree.
being overweight can definitely lead to health problems, but just because someone is *not* overweight doesn't neccesarily mean they aren't abusing their body in the exact same way.
my example: fellow coworker is model tall. light, very trim. she eats two footlong chilidogs every work day for lunch with a side of fries and mountain dew. *everyday*. and she doesn't eat any vegetables. i kid you not.
between the two of us, i'm the one that can jog a 5k, and she's the one who gets winded going up the stairs.
but i'm the one who gets berated by the doctor to take care of my body.
i can understand the frustration.0 -
If you have a high body fat percentage you are unhealthy. Just sayin!!!
That's not necessarily true. Having a low BF% doesn't mean you are healthy either.0 -
their job is to diagnose and offer guidance on how to be healthier. They wouldn't sugarcoat the possible prognoses for someone who smokes or drinks in excess
No, they would discuss various patches, nicotine gums, alcohol rehabs, or drugs to make you barf when you drink. Most doctors don't offer guidance to the obese. They just smack them with a "Lose weight or you'll die. Go on a diet" and send them home. No guidance and no help. That's not productive and compounds the problems for someone who is already overwhelmed.0 -
So, some doctors are dillholes to their patients. Surprise! Doctors are humans.
There's nothing wrong with a doctor approaching a patient about their weight if a patient is extremely over OR under weight. Yea, some of the stories on here -- those doctors were *kitten* and did it the wrong way. That doesn't mean doctors shouldn't keep doing their job and trying to help their patients avoid future health problems.
In conclusion, suck it up, princesses.0 -
Okay... I realize I'm probably being naive right now, but I'm just wondering, how does a vegan get fat? If you're a true vegan? Do you eat like, 15 pounds of carrots a day? I really don't get it, I'm sorry...
Yeah, that does sound odd... I used to think of a vegan as someone who eats only vegetables, fruit, beans, and whole grains, but that isn't necessarily the case. Vegan only means eschewing animal products. There's plenty of processed junk, full of sugar and refined flour, that qualifies as vegan. You can eat white bread, pasta and rice, washed down with sugar-sweetened drinks, have dessert at every meal and few or no vegetables or fruits, and still technically be vegan.
Don't get me wrong--I don't believe most vegans do that; but that is one way to produce a fat vegan.0 -
their job is to diagnose and offer guidance on how to be healthier. They wouldn't sugarcoat the possible prognoses for someone who smokes or drinks in excess
No, they would discuss various patches, nicotine gums, alcohol rehabs, or drugs to make you barf when you drink. Most doctors don't offer guidance to the obese. They just smack them with a "Lose weight or you'll die. Go on a diet" and send them home. No guidance and no help. That's not productive and compounds the problems for someone who is already overwhelmed.
I agree with the point you're making about doctors not offering a lot of constructive advice. They should at least refer the patient to a dietician if their insurance covers it, but sadly, a lot of doctors don't seem to understand how hard it is for someone who is obese and never learned how to eat well to change their habits.0 -
If you have a high body fat percentage you are unhealthy. Just sayin!!!
That's not necessarily true. Having a low BF% doesn't mean you are healthy either.
Those are both true.0 -
They can put that into effect at the same time they do the *kitten* tax and ignorant tax.In addition, there must be a fat tax. because fat people are draining healthcare budget.
its a choice of eating. want to overeat? pay tax. just like tax on cigarretes.0 -
I've read all the comments in this thread. I got up to 450 pounds. Did I have health problems? YES. Did Dr. tell me to lose weight? YES When I asked how I was told to eat 1200 calories a day and exercise. I would do it for a few weeks or months, have some success, then I would get hungry. I mean really hungry. I would binge, feel guilty, try again, then binge again. It wasn't until I started researching and found this site that I learned I have to eat. My DR. informed me that I am doing it wrong. She told me I can not possibly be losing weight doing what I am doing. I have lost 70 pounds in 14 WEEKS! When I pointed this out to her, she shook her head and told me we needed to talk at my next appt. I am in no hurry to see her. So I agree Dr's need to be open minded and look at other ways to lose weight besides a 1200 cal. diet. I'm doing this for my health but if I had listened to my Dr. I would not be on the losing side! I would be heavier yet, sad, depressed and mostly dead.0
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Okay... I realize I'm probably being naive right now, but I'm just wondering, how does a vegan get fat? If you're a true vegan? Do you eat like, 15 pounds of carrots a day? I really don't get it, I'm sorry...
Yeah, that does sound odd... I used to think of a vegan as someone who eats only vegetables, fruit, beans, and whole grains, but that isn't necessarily the case. Vegan only means eschewing animal products. There's plenty of processed junk, full of sugar and refined flour, that qualifies as vegan. You can eat white bread, pasta and rice, washed down with sugar-sweetened drinks, have dessert at every meal and few or no vegetables or fruits, and still technically be vegan.
Don't get me wrong--I don't believe most vegans do that; but that is one way to produce a fat vegan.
I don't think that's the ONLY way to be a fat vegan. I do believe you CAN over eat on perfectly healthy stuff. Say vegan pie or vegan cake or whatever. Not highly processed but still high in calories. Not to mention nuts, which are extremely high calorie. Wouldn't be hard to over eat if you're a huge nut lover.
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Okay... I realize I'm probably being naive right now, but I'm just wondering, how does a vegan get fat? If you're a true vegan? Do you eat like, 15 pounds of carrots a day? I really don't get it, I'm sorry...
Yeah, that does sound odd... I used to think of a vegan as someone who eats only vegetables, fruit, beans, and whole grains, but that isn't necessarily the case. Vegan only means eschewing animal products. There's plenty of processed junk, full of sugar and refined flour, that qualifies as vegan. You can eat white bread, pasta and rice, washed down with sugar-sweetened drinks, have dessert at every meal and few or no vegetables or fruits, and still technically be vegan.
Don't get me wrong--I don't believe most vegans do that; but that is one way to produce a fat vegan.
I don't think that's the ONLY way to be a fat vegan. I do believe you CAN over eat on perfectly healthy stuff. Say vegan pie or vegan cake or whatever. Not highly processed but still high in calories. Not to mention nuts, which are extremely high calorie. Wouldn't be hard to over eat if you're a huge nut lover.
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I agree with you. I didn't say it was the ONLY way, I said it was ONE way. The question was raised, and hopefully you and I have answered it for the asker.0 -
Okay... I realize I'm probably being naive right now, but I'm just wondering, how does a vegan get fat? If you're a true vegan? Do you eat like, 15 pounds of carrots a day? I really don't get it, I'm sorry...
Yeah, that does sound odd... I used to think of a vegan as someone who eats only vegetables, fruit, beans, and whole grains, but that isn't necessarily the case. Vegan only means eschewing animal products. There's plenty of processed junk, full of sugar and refined flour, that qualifies as vegan. You can eat white bread, pasta and rice, washed down with sugar-sweetened drinks, have dessert at every meal and few or no vegetables or fruits, and still technically be vegan.
Don't get me wrong--I don't believe most vegans do that; but that is one way to produce a fat vegan.
I don't think that's the ONLY way to be a fat vegan. I do believe you CAN over eat on perfectly healthy stuff. Say vegan pie or vegan cake or whatever. Not highly processed but still high in calories. Not to mention nuts, which are extremely high calorie. Wouldn't be hard to over eat if you're a huge nut lover.
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There's no magic in eating whole plant foods. They still have calories. Once the palate adjusts to new foods, you crave those foods just like any other.0 -
If you have a high body fat percentage you are unhealthy. Just sayin!!!
BMI is BMI--it is a crude, yet useful, instrument. It tells you if your weight is proportionate with your height. It doesn't factor in health considerations. There are, in fact, healthy obese people. Obesity correlates with many diseases of excess, but can also affect outcomes in positive ways. For instance: osteoporosis.
I like the Canadian Edmonton Obesity Staging System because it acknowledges that there are obese people in good health:
http://www.canada.com/health/Heavy+healthy+formula+slims+down+definition+dangerously+obese/5257089/story.html0 -
I'm not reading the article as I can pretty much guess the contents.
Some doctors *are* lazy when treating fat patients, I've had a number of completely untreated health conditions which have directly contributed to my weight gain, because doctors just said "eat less, move more" and didn't bother listening to me, running any tests or even asking basic questions which would be required for diagnosis or treatment.
If you're not happy with your doctor, if you feel they don't listen to you, change the doctor you see.
My health has improved in leaps and bounds with a new doctor, who is treating my health problems that reduce my ability to lose weight and/or cause gains. Some people are on medications that are the worst thing to be on if you have a weight problem.
If your doctor is closed-minded to your health, it's time to move on.0 -
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Save your energy for a better topic. In this thread I was called an obese whale who was in denial! Not very supportive at all!Bump to read later
Nobody called you an obese whale. You're just making up attacks now.0 -
Save your energy for a better topic. In this thread I was called an obese whale who was in denial! Not very supportive at all!Bump to read later
When did they specifically call you that? They didn't.0 -
Wow, did the mods pull that post? I didn't see anyone say anything derogatory towards you at all...... that's terrible!
Save your energy for a better topic. In this thread I was called an obese whale who was in denial! Not very supportive at all!Bump to read later0 -
I love the people advocating that being overweight isn't unhealthy, seeing as they are on a weight loss website.
I, for one, am not saying being overweight is healthy or unhealthy. I am saying that it is not prima facie evidence of ill health. You CAN be fat and healthy.
I am approaching 58 with ideal health and health indices (lipids, BP, glucose, etc). Despite that, I'd like to shed some weight for various reasons, but mostly because I feel I move more easily, and enjoy myself more as a slimmer person. So, that's why I'm on a weight loss website.
Others may be here because they have health issues and that is fabulous!0 -
Wow, did the mods pull that post? I didn't see anyone say anything derogatory towards you at all...... that's terrible!
Save your energy for a better topic. In this thread I was called an obese whale who was in denial! Not very supportive at all!Bump to read later
That is terrible. Was it pulled? If not, I hope so because name-calling is uncalled for.0 -
Save your energy for a better topic. In this thread I was called an obese whale who was in denial! Not very supportive at all!Bump to read later
Did someone actually call you an obese whale or was it inferred? Because I'm not seeing it either way.
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