EAT GIRLS! EAT!!!!!!
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Someone should copy it and save it somewhere to paste in future threads.
I am starting to think this is me too. I net 1400 now. OP my BMR is just a wee over 1200 so we are all different. If I ate 2000 I'm fairly certain I'd blow up unless of course I earned those extra cals through working out. But I get the sentiment here I am eating more than I thought I could and still losing so it's good to play with the numbers for a while.(I'm talking about NET calories in this post)
I find that if I have 1,200 a day, I do lose weight, but quite slowly. If I eat 1400ish, I lose weight consistently and more quickly. If I eat 1600, I maintain. If I eat 1700 I gain. Have tried this for extended periods of time. So don't try and tell me to eat more!
Finally someone here mentions BMR! Thank you!
I'm 52 and small and still can't eat as much as the bigger taller girls, it's never going to happen. Just because we are small and can't eat as much as bigger people does not mean we have eating disorders. If there are skinny girls eating too little then yes I disagree with that, but to tell a fat person who is trying to eat on a calorie deficit to eat more?? How do you know what their BMR is or their body fat % and you tell them to eat more?
I am short, petite, small; my RMR is low compared to others. With my doctors approval I had to eat less than or right around 1000 calories to lose weight. We are all different. There is no one size fits all. Even people my height and gender are different and some need more calories than I do. My doctor checked my hormone levels throughout my 60 lb weight loss journey (from obese down to 10% body fat) and everything was fine. I got stronger and stronger at the gym, my running and weight lifting strength improved even while eating on a significant calorie deficit. My DXA scan proved I did not lose lean body mass or go into starvation mode.
While you don’t have to worry about starvation mode when you have significant fat on your body, as you get closer to your goal you do need to increase your calories slightly as you get leaner as here’s why:
The Theory of Fat Availability:
•There is a set amount of fat that can be released from a fat cell.
•The more fat you have, the more fat can be used as a fuel when dieting.
•The less fat you have, the less fat can be used as a fuel when dieting.
•Towards the end of a transformation, when body fat is extremely low you
may not have enough fat to handle a large caloric deficit anymore.
At the extreme low end, when your body fat cannot ‘keep up’ with the energy deficit
you've imposed on your body, the energy MUST come from SOMEWHERE. This is
when you are at risk of losing lean body mass during dieting (commonly referred to
as ‘starvation mode’). This happens at extremely low levels of body fat, under 6% in
men and 12% in women [Friedl K.E. J Appl Phsiol, 1994].
-Brad Pilon and John Barban (from The Reverse Taper Diet in The Adonis Index and Venus Index manuals)
As far as calories…What you need to eat for a deficit is relative to your RMR. If you are short you really don't have much room for up compared to the 1200. If you are taller you will have a higher RMR and can go up or down and still be in a deficit (way above 1200) so you can lose no matter what. All that matters is a calorie deficit.
To tell everyone eat more is wrong.
To tell everyone to eat less is wrong.
To find the exact amount of calories for you to be in a sustainable calorie deficit is correct. Some people can handle a deeper calorie deficit than others. Some people have emotional eating disorders and it comes into play. Even a small deficit puts your body in a state of flux with hormones and such and everyone is different.
You just need to find the correct calories for YOU to be healthy and sustainable and still lose weight. It might require some experimentation and tremendous patience. You can always notch up and down by 100 until you find what is sustainable and still allows you to lose weight.
If you have emotional eating issues than you are not going to be able to handle such a deep deficit and if you eat to low it will backfire. A better strategy is to eat at a shallower deficit, and sometimes give yourself a break from the deficit and eat at maintenance. This is not going backwards, but eating to low and then binging because you can't sustain it is going backwards. It's better to stay forwards even if it is slower. The tortoise wins this race in the end.
If you plug in all your info (typically age, gender, height and weight) into one of those calculators what you get is the average metabolic rate of a group of people who share your age, sex, height and weight. What you DON’T get is YOUR EXACT calorie needs. It's a place to start.
To find the exact calories needed for YOU to be in a healthy sustainable calorie deficit is the right answer. Wait, if you need to adjust by 100 do it, wait, adjust, wait, adjust, wait. The tortoise wins this race.
You want to eat as healthy as you can because it makes you feel better and perform better, and makes you healthier. There are a bunch of tricks and clean eating; reducing sugar (especially HFCS), fiber, white flour vs whole grain, low carb, low fat, on and on. All that matters is calories for weight loss. If you need to eat a certain way for health reasons or to feel better do it, but extensive good food and bad food lists will drive you insane at some point, it’s a constantly moving target. Just eat what you like, mostly healthy, mostly balanced, within a calorie budget. We all know what healthy is by now, just do it.
Also people play mental accounting games with calories just like with finances. Make steps to make sure you are making accurate measurements. Packaged foods can have MORE than they say but not less (they get in trouble if less so they would rather error with MORE).
I feel like I've seen this wall of text before... many many many times before.... hmmm
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(I'm talking about NET calories in this post)
I find that if I have 1,200 a day, I do lose weight, but quite slowly. If I eat 1400ish, I lose weight consistently and more quickly. If I eat 1600, I maintain. If I eat 1700 I gain. Have tried this for extended periods of time. So don't try and tell me to eat more!
i think she means eat more for those who are under 1200 daily, 500-1000 intakes
Yes I do mama!
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meh...I'm small...and if I ate 2000 calories, I would weigh over 200lbs...there are many types of bodies, metabolism and what not...and for what it is worth, once you hit 40ish you have to start eating less to maintain...that is just the shizzle your body throws at you. And yes, that is from a textbook..well not the shizzle part. Up the clean eating, up the weight training, and follow what your body tells you...works for me...but then again I eat less than 1200 cals to lose weight, lift weights and still need to lose another 15lbs. Course I do also have a category for chocolate...so don't take advice from me even with the nutrition and nursing courses under my belt.
Lol I'm 40 now and the one who started this and I was referring to girls half my age who eat less than half of what I do, at 40ish!0 -
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But do you REALLY think it is wrong for me to tell an 18yr old girl that it's "okay" to eat 600 cals??
Yes I do.
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I love eating... I can't eat too little. LOL. But... I always aim for 1500 calories a day... as that is what my doctor has put me on for Diabetes... and, my A1C has went from 6.4 to 5.1. I think I'm sticking with that. Somedays I'll eat more. Somedays less.
But... I agree with you. Skinny isn't pretty. Healthy is.
And 1500 cals isn't too shabby. I Just see this young girls, who may not have an eating disorder, yet, following their starving peers and the point of this forum is to show them that it doesn't have to be that way!0 -
meh...I'm small...and if I ate 2000 calories, I would weigh over 200lbs...there are many types of bodies, metabolism and what not...and for what it is worth, once you hit 40ish you have to start eating less to maintain...that is just the shizzle your body throws at you. And yes, that is from a textbook..well not the shizzle part. Up the clean eating, up the weight training, and follow what your body tells you...works for me...but then again I eat less than 1200 cals to lose weight, lift weights and still need to lose another 15lbs. Course I do also have a category for chocolate...so don't take advice from me even with the nutrition and nursing courses under my belt.
Don't worry, I won't. I lift weights and lose by eating 1500-1600 cals a day. I am under 5 foot
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Point taken, but the best policy, if you really want to know, is to get your BMR tested. I for one know that my BMR is under 1200 so eating net 1600, 1800, 2000+ will make me GAIN. Educate yourself about your body and you'll be successful 0
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Okay so this site tells me my goal calorie intake is 1420. I find it very hard to stay under that. I have been losing 1 pound per week for the last three weeks so something is working. I am having a big issue with eating "right". Any suggestions?
shop the outside of the grocery isles if you cant pronounce it dont eat it :happy:0 -
I am short. (5'2) I maintain on 2,100-2,400/day. My TDEE is 2,100.
1900/day or less I immediately see a loss. Being short is not an excuse for under eating, and it never will be.
Netting 1400 calories is fine for lots of people, but eating 1400 total and exercising half of it off -- not OK. Never will be. Argue until you're blue in the face. Even the posts from people who did VLCDs and lost their hair and suffered horribly from it -- people argue. It's just.. whatever. Do whatever you want to your bodies, but don't FR me unless you want a foot up your butt.
^^^ are you from NJ perchance? You sound like a Jersey Girl!! Gotta love it!
Hahaha I was born in NJ! Just moved away from NYC I can't believe you could tell that. 0 -
Either there's an awful lot of starving young girls on here or they are all lying on their food diaries...
EAT GIRLS!!!!!!!!! I'm twice your age, eat twice as much as you, and am smaller than some of you!! Stop the madness! Skinny is NOT where it's at, HEALTHY is! You're messing up your metabolisms and when you get to my age, you will not be able to maintain your weight!!
Well said and totally agree, I'm 44, lost 17kg a couple of years ago, life change and I ended up putting 10kg back on but have since lost it again in 3 months. I have 2 to go making a total loss of 30kg. It can be done with eating.:) :flowerforyou:0 -
But do you REALLY think it is wrong for me to tell an 18yr old girl that it's "okay" to eat 600 cals??
Yes I do.
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Hear Hear, well said!
Sick of having MFP 's that log a couple of oreos, of two lollies a day etc etc, NOT good, not healthy and not advisable.
I want to support anyone, but in a safe and responsible, understanding manner, and I DO NOT understand this!0 -
I want to loose quickly, and I figure that I can jump start my diet by doing a cleanse of veggies only for a week. Once I get past the first week, I'll add in fruits and health smoothies with lean protein. Doesn't sound like a bad plan. Also trying to work out 3x week. Thoughts?
It's hard to "eat eat eat" when all your friends are on a 500 cal diets and they are loosing and looking great (and seemingly keeping it off).0 -
But I don't want to eat girls... I am not into cannibalism.
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I wish I could eat properly I'm just getting my appetite back after a "breakup diet".. I completely lost my appetite I couldn't eat at all. I have no energy to exercise but I've lost about 5kg from the stress and loss of appetite. It is hard to eat so much to stick to the daily food intake requirement I find it quite difficult... but MFP is great so at least I can see where I'm at it's a kick in the guts really to see the toll stress can take. I'm sure there are other girls finding it hard too.. it's not that we're intentionally starving ourselves.
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But do you REALLY think it is wrong for me to tell an 18yr old girl that it's "okay" to eat 600 cals??
Yes I do.
Troll ^^
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But do you REALLY think it is wrong for me to tell an 18yr old girl that it's "okay" to eat 600 cals??
Yes I do.
Troll ^^
How is that trolling? It is NOT okay to tell an 18 year old girl that's it's okay to eat 600 cals. Ever.0 -
I want to loose quickly, and I figure that I can jump start my diet by doing a cleanse of veggies only for a week. Once I get past the first week, I'll add in fruits and health smoothies with lean protein. Doesn't sound like a bad plan. Also trying to work out 3x week. Thoughts?
It's hard to "eat eat eat" when all your friends are on a 500 cal diets and they are loosing and looking great (and seemingly keeping it off).
What you don't see is the damage they are doing to their body. Forget "quick" and do it "smart".0 -
AMEN!Either there's an awful lot of starving young girls on here or they are all lying on their food diaries...
EAT GIRLS!!!!!!!!! I'm twice your age, eat twice as much as you, and am smaller than some of you!! Stop the madness! Skinny is NOT where it's at, HEALTHY is! You're messing up your metabolisms and when you get to my age, you will not be able to maintain your weight!!0 -
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(I'm talking about NET calories in this post)
I find that if I have 1,200 a day, I do lose weight, but quite slowly. If I eat 1400ish, I lose weight consistently and more quickly. If I eat 1600, I maintain. If I eat 1700 I gain. Have tried this for extended periods of time. So don't try and tell me to eat more!
so when you ay your talking about net calories you are saying that when you eat a net of 1400 calories a day you lose??0 -
I want to loose quickly, and I figure that I can jump start my diet by doing a cleanse of veggies only for a week. Once I get past the first week, I'll add in fruits and health smoothies with lean protein. Doesn't sound like a bad plan. Also trying to work out 3x week. Thoughts?
It's hard to "eat eat eat" when all your friends are on a 500 cal diets and they are loosing and looking great (and seemingly keeping it off).
If you're going to be working out you HAVE to fuel your body properly. Trust me. I've fainted while working out because I was eating so little (1200 cals a day and then working out? Not wise grasshopper. Not wise at all). I've also had experiences of collapsing while working out because I didn't have enough water in me. So yeah... fuel your body or it's going to give out on you.0 -
Correct.But do you REALLY think it is wrong for me to tell an 18yr old girl that it's "okay" to eat 600 cals??
Yes I do.
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How is that trolling? It is NOT okay to tell an 18 year old girl that's it's okay to eat 600 cals. Ever.0 -
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I'm at 1240 calories per day, which MFP set for me based on a goal of losing one pound per week. My doctor said that I need to be certain not to go under 1200, so if I exercise, I need to eat my calories up to at least 1200.
I've said this on other forums, but I wonder if age is a factor. I'm 43 years old.
Also, I'm not rigid. I'm going to enjoy life, which sometimes includes birthday cake and Mexican food and pie. So maybe it's my occasional/regular fluctuations in calorie count that are making it so I'm still conisistently losing weight even though my goal (and typical) calorie consumption is in the 1200 area. I'm down 23 pounds since Sept 11, 2012.0 -
You guys are all nuts! lol. trying to win a fight that doesn't have a winning side. Everyone is going to have their own ideas regardless of who deems them stupid or not. The people who want to eat a crazy low amounts well good for them, they will deal with the results. Same goes for the rest! lol.0
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A lot of these women have eating disorders. As encouraging as your post is, it is not the cure for an eating disorder.
For the people who don't have eating disorders though, YES please eat 1200 or more!!! You will still lose!0 -
But do you REALLY think it is wrong for me to tell an 18yr old girl that it's "okay" to eat 600 cals??
Yes I do.
Troll ^^
How is that trolling? It is NOT okay to tell an 18 year old girl that's it's okay to eat 600 cals. Ever.
I think there was a misunderstanding, or maybe a reading comprehension issue with this conversation. I am glad you are on the same page now:-)0
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