why have gym lost the hardcore feel
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Because meatheads don't pay the bills.
I say this as an admitted meathead.
Yeah, that too.
Speaking as someone who works at a large fitness center, unfortunately, the 10% of those I would call "meatheads" account for about 80% of the problems with disruptive behavior, leaving the place a mess, unsafe dumbass behavior, etc.
Interestingly, there a few guys who are quite big, extremely knowledgeable, excellent form, very serious about their lifting--and they seem to be able to lift heavy and do their workouts just fine without being self-centered a-holes. So I know it can be done.0 -
There is no Dana, only Zuul.0
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If you have to DROP the weight, or throw the weight down, it is too damn heavy. When I hear stuff crash to the floor after a gut wrenching grunt, I kinda want to look around and see who is dying on the floor.
Or maybe the weights were not to heavy and he/her is just pushing themselfs and pushed his/her threshold to the max kind of like your supposed to do to when you lift weights to create muscle trama and muscle fatigue thus causing him/her to not have the energy to gently set them down as to not upset the nannies in the gym who think he/she is lifting to heavy in a public gym mind you.
[biting tongue to prevent turning into the grammar police]
I totally understand about pushing your limits and creating muscle trauma. That doesn't mean that you can't dial it down a few lbs and not grunt THAT loud, or throw it down on just about every rep. AND, I shouldn't have to worry about flying/rolling dumbbells as I am walking through the gym...
Sorry I interrupted your reading
what is THAT supposed to mean? The run on sentence and grammar issues make my head hurt.
I have only been lifting for a few months, but even when I am breaking a PR, and leg pressing more than my body weight, I don't grunt like I am giving birth to a weight plate.0 -
There are actually rules about grunting at some gyms? That's ... odd.
Some clanking of weights is unavoidable, but there are safety issues with falling weights; so I wouldn't want to see uncontrolled falls, unless in a designated area for those doing the really heavy stuff.
Personally, I had someone else's barbell fall on my foot once (resulting in a broken metatarsal), so I'm probably a little more paranoid than most about falling weights.0 -
apparently you have not found the right gym for you...
When I am on the treadmill doing my warm up, I don't want to hear some guy grunting like he is about to give birth or something. I understand that the weights are heavy, and I have grunted a bit trying to get that last rep out, but I bet they can't hear me across the gym!
If you have to DROP the weight, or throw the weight down, it is too damn heavy. When I hear stuff crash to the floor after a gut wrenching grunt, I kinda want to look around and see who is dying on the floor.
Sometimes bada$$ery is loud.
Maybe--but mostly it's just empty posturing.0 -
The rules in the gym are about being respectful of other people. Hearing a barbell drop crash to the floor is not just loud, the shock of the sound can disturb the concentration of other lifters. You are not the only person in the room! Some jerk dropped his enormous dumbell on the floor when I was doing an over head press, startled me, and I almost dropped the barbell on my head. There's no need for that noise, and if you need, build your own home gym and do whatever you want.
THANK YOU!! finally someone with some sense
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If you have to DROP the weight, or throw the weight down, it is too damn heavy. When I hear stuff crash to the floor after a gut wrenching grunt, I kinda want to look around and see who is dying on the floor.
Or maybe the weights were not to heavy and he/her is just pushing themselfs and pushed his/her threshold to the max kind of like your supposed to do to when you lift weights to create muscle trama and muscle fatigue thus causing him/her to not have the energy to gently set them down as to not upset the nannies in the gym who think he/she is lifting to heavy in a public gym mind you.
[biting tongue to prevent turning into the grammar police]
I totally understand about pushing your limits and creating muscle trauma. That doesn't mean that you can't dial it down a few lbs and not grunt THAT loud, or throw it down on just about every rep. AND, I shouldn't have to worry about flying/rolling dumbbells as I am walking through the gym...
Then stay the hell out of the gym. If I'm going for a new PR (personal record) I'm not going to dial it down for your convenience.0 -
I have only been lifting for a few months, but even when I am breaking a PR, and leg pressing more than my body weight, I don't grunt like I am giving birth to a weight plate.
I was going to flame you because the more you keep posting, the more it shows you have no idea. But after I had been lifting only a few months, I also had some misconceptions about weight lifting. Revisit this topic when you can deadlift 2x your body weight.0 -
I have only been lifting for a few months, but even when I am breaking a PR, and leg pressing more than my body weight, I don't grunt like I am giving birth to a weight plate.
I probably wouldn't drop a weight or groan if I was maybe leg pressing 30lbs either.
Let me know when you're deadlifting 350 plus quietly
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There are still plenty of "hardcore" gyms out there (at least there are where I live)...they just don't advertise for clients the way a chain like Planet Fitness does. Not every gym is for everyone (there are people who ONLY want to pump iron and others who prefer to glide along on the treadmill at a place that offers childcare).....you just have to find the one that suits YOUR needs....0
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If you have to DROP the weight, or throw the weight down, it is too damn heavy. When I hear stuff crash to the floor after a gut wrenching grunt, I kinda want to look around and see who is dying on the floor.
Or maybe the weights were not to heavy and he/her is just pushing themselfs and pushed his/her threshold to the max kind of like your supposed to do to when you lift weights to create muscle trama and muscle fatigue thus causing him/her to not have the energy to gently set them down as to not upset the nannies in the gym who think he/she is lifting to heavy in a public gym mind you.
[biting tongue to prevent turning into the grammar police]
I totally understand about pushing your limits and creating muscle trauma. That doesn't mean that you can't dial it down a few lbs and not grunt THAT loud, or throw it down on just about every rep. AND, I shouldn't have to worry about flying/rolling dumbbells as I am walking through the gym...
People who do weights seriously are constantly challenging themselves to higher weights and more reps. "Dialing it down" would kinds beat the purpose.0 -
There are actually rules about grunting at some gyms? That's ... odd.
Some clanking of weights is unavoidable, but there are safety issues with falling weights; so I wouldn't want to see uncontrolled falls, unless in a designated area for those doing the really heavy stuff.
Personally, I had someone else's barbell fall on my foot once (resulting in a broken metatarsal), so I'm probably a little more paranoid than most about falling weights.
there is a big difference between a clanking weight, and the sound ( and vibration ) of a weight dropped from 3 feet or so up in the air.
when I am doing my warm up on the treadmill, and I have my music cranked, I see no reason why I should be hearing some guy 20 feet away grunt so loud that I can hear it loud and clear over my music.0 -
There are extremes to both sides. There are the people who feel the need to scream and be hardcore about lifting weights because for them that allows the mental aspect of training to give them a boost, which is fine if the entire gym is like that. On the other side, there are people who are new to training, have goals other than putting up big lifting numbers, and/or don't want to feel intimidation from more experienced lifters, which is fine as well.
Most gyms are somewhere in the middle, and in my opinion there should only be a few rules.
Rack your weights properly - put them back where you found them!! NOT THAT HARD!!!
Be courteous to other members, especially with machine use, i.e don't sit down on a bench and talk on the phone for 10 minutes, or wait 20 minutes between your sets.
Limit slamming your weights - I agree that slamming weights is annoying, but some exercises you can't help it, i.e if you are dead lifting 400+ pounds, it is going to make noise when it hits the ground even if you have complete control, not going for a 10 second negative here...
Grunting - I'm indifferent here, it doesn't really bother me but I understand how it is annoying to others. Breathing is very important when lifting, but people who scream lightweight like they're Ronnie Coleman...you are not and never will be Ronnie. People who scream like they are busting a nut make me laugh.
Nicely phrased.0 -
I have only been lifting for a few months, but even when I am breaking a PR, and leg pressing more than my body weight, I don't grunt like I am giving birth to a weight plate.
I probably wouldn't drop a weight or groan if I was maybe leg pressing 30lbs either.Let me know when you're deadlifting 350 plus quietly
^^THIS
LOL!!! I don't know that I EVER leg pressed 30lbs. I currently press 218#. The first time I loaded weights on it, it was over 200#0 -
Hello i remember watching videos of gold gym when arnold and the great legends use to workout there was no messing arround i watch videos now of Gym there are so many rules and regulations. you cant groan. you cant drop dumbbells. you cant I mean is it a GYM or a library. Gym dont have barbells but they have the latest treadmil elipetical i mean dear god where is the hardcore proper barbell dumbbells and chalk mess on the floor LOL and TV in the gym always playing POP justin beiber sorry i come to workout not watch justin beiber or nicki minaj.
whats ur opnion
My opinion is you need to go to the gym....you'll get more out of it than just watching a video of other people at the gym.0 -
I totally understand about pushing your limits and creating muscle trauma. That doesn't mean that you can't dial it down a few lbs and not grunt THAT loud, or throw it down on just about every rep.
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At the local YMCA, there are three rooms.
The first is the largest and the "Main" room. There is a mix of Cardio, weight machines, dumbells, and a couple barbells ... none of the benches are "weight" benches. There usually isn't any grunting and groaning. Everyone just goes about their workout.
Second room is the Circuit room and it's the smallest of the three. All machines, no free-weights
Third room is the Free Weight room.... No machines present there and if you go in that room, you better be able to concentrate through the grunts and crashes because they are in there to pump iron!0 -
If you have to DROP the weight, or throw the weight down, it is too damn heavy.
Or maybe the weights were not to heavy and him/her is just pushing themselfs and pushed his/her threshold to the max kind of like your supposed to do to when you lift weights to create muscle trama and muscle fatigue thus causing him/her to not have the energy to gently set them down as to not upset the nannies in the PUBLIC gym who think he/she is lifting to heavy.
You think a gym where you pay membership is a PUBLIC space?
Might want to review your definitions there, friend.
If you are working hard enough to need to drop weights at the end of a set, you probably need to go find a powerlifting gym with like-minded folks. The rest of us simply don't want or need to listen to your racket.
Ya public meaning any one in the public who pays a fee can join any time and every one can go during open business hours..Tough concept I know. There are private gyms as well but in order to keep your head from hurting on that concept I won't explain that to you.
I would suggest if dropping weights are to loud at your gym get some of these..
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I would say if you don't like the kind of training and equipment a gym offers then just move on and don't be a Nannie about others in it exercising a way you do not understand or like achieving their goals. Complaining and insulting others is not a good way to make friends.0 -
So now OP this should answer your questions. :yawn:0
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Wow this thread may have talked me out of joining a gym after all... Flying weights, primal grunting, meatheads??? Sounds scary
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There are hardcore gyms, and there are the other kind. If you're hardcore, you know where they are. If not, you only know of the other ones.0
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To the OP, the gym you seek exists, you just have to find it. I agree that most gyms wouldn't have what you're looking for.
But, as far as I'm concerned, if people need to grunt, drop weights, whatever, to get a good workout, more power to them. It's on me to focus on what I'm doing. If I'm distracted by someone grunting or making loud noises, that's my problem. Look at female gymnasts on the balance beam. When they're competing, usually all the other exercises are going on including blaring music from the floor routine. Random bursts of applause are constantly happening when someone else finishes, yet the balance beam gymnast has to concentrate on landing on a 4 inch wide beam after flipping and twisting in the air. It's all about focus.0 -
To the OP, the gym you seek exists, you just have to find it. I agree that most gyms wouldn't have what you're looking for.
But, as far as I'm concerned, if people need to grunt, drop weights, whatever, to get a good workout, more power to them. It's on me to focus on what I'm doing. If I'm distracted by someone grunting or making loud noises, that's my problem. Look at female gymnasts on the balance beam. When they're competing, usually all the other exercises are going on including blaring music from the floor routine. Random bursts of applause are constantly happening when someone else finishes, yet the balance beam gymnast has to concentrate on landing on a 4 inch wide beam after flipping and twisting in the air. It's all about focus.
So true. If you are being scared in to dropping barbells or falling of the elliptical by someone grunting, you need to fix your focus0 -
There are hardcore gyms, and there are the other kind. If you're hardcore, you know where they are. If not, you only know of the other ones.
Same thing goes for crack houses.0 -
Let me know when you're deadlifting 350 plus quietly
This.
Also, one of the reasons why some people use dumbbells instead of barbells is because they don't have a spotter. If you are training heavy and going to failure with a barbell, you could seriously injure yourself. Dumbbells let people go to failure on their exercises without the risk of the weight falling on them. When you reach failure you can just drop them. This is why most weight rooms have a matted floor, because this is the reality of training with heavy weights. Sometimes they get dropped, and its better than someone getting choked out on the bench or getting injured.
I read one post on this thread that weight lifters need to be considerate of others with all the noise they make. Maybe you need to understand that when you've got 85's in each hand and you've reached failure, their is no putting them down lightly. This is the reality of joining a gym. Some people are doing cardio or resistance machines which make less noise, and some are working with heavy weights. You always have the option to wear headphones, do your cardio at home or run a couple miles if you can't deal with the meatheads and their noises. Because they're not going anywhere, and they've got the same right to train hard as you do.0 -
I did the guest pass thing at 24 hr/Crunch/Planet Fitness and realized that environment was not conducive to my goals. I wanna look like Bruce Lee and would rather be around people who are killing it. I wish there was a gym for skinny people who like to slap their chest during a workout and grit their teeth in the mirror. It's either you're a meathead or cardio queen/king.
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Let me know when you're deadlifting 350 plus quietly
Not that hard.0 -
Moaning about noise in the gym? The only words that come to mind in response to that are: man up.0
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If you have to DROP the weight, or throw the weight down, it is too damn heavy. When I hear stuff crash to the floor after a gut wrenching grunt, I kinda want to look around and see who is dying on the floor.
Or maybe the weights were not to heavy and he/her is just pushing themselfs and pushed his/her threshold to the max kind of like your supposed to do to when you lift weights to create muscle trama and muscle fatigue thus causing him/her to not have the energy to gently set them down as to not upset the nannies in the gym who think he/she is lifting to heavy in a public gym mind you.
[biting tongue to prevent turning into the grammar police]
I totally understand about pushing your limits and creating muscle trauma. That doesn't mean that you can't dial it down a few lbs and not grunt THAT loud, or throw it down on just about every rep. AND, I shouldn't have to worry about flying/rolling dumbbells as I am walking through the gym...
Sorry I interrupted your reading
what is THAT supposed to mean? The run on sentence and grammar issues make my head hurt.
I have only been lifting for a few months, but even when I am breaking a PR, and leg pressing more than my body weight, I don't grunt like I am giving birth to a weight plate.
I requested to make run-on sentences a forums rule, but they turned me down.0 -
Seems to me that if a noise in the gym startles you and breaks your concentration, you werent concentrating that hard. That guy on the other side of the gym dropping his 400+ pound deadlift is dropping it because it is dangerous for him to set it back down. Proper form dictates dropping the bar, not bending back over with it in your hands.
And complaining about grunting? That grunt isnt voluntary, that guy is working his *kitten* off.0
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