Thin men and muscles?
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Why is it some guys put on muscle with no issue and others can workout hours a day and still be so thin? Is it what they are eating, genetics or???? What if thin dude is eating well, lots of protein and protein shakes along with working out? Is it because one that is thin needs to stick to weights and not cardio as much?
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They are probably not on a good calorie surplus.
My main goals are around mountain biking so I have to keep the cardio up at all times else I will lose my cardio vascular fitness. IM currently bulking back up from a summer of endurance events and training where I was down to lowest at 168lbs ( im 6'2"). Initially I could not get any muscle on weight training until i created a good 1000 cals a day surplus, due to my cardio training. Once I got a good surplus I was putting on 1/2 to a 1lb a week keeping fat gains to minimum.
Rule is 1 to 1.5 g per lb of Lean body weight in protein MIN a day and eat AT LEAST 500 cals over the daily calorie AFTER eating back all exercise calories.
Also dont underestimate the cals burned weight training . I add about 350 an hour for a hard session.0 -
ectomorph?0
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It's due to calories.ectomorph?0 -
It's due to calories.ectomorph?
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I had a guy friend in college who weighed 120lbs soaking wet. He tried so hard to gain weight, but never put on a pound. I always wondered about him...I guess he just couldn't eat enough.0
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1: genetics
2: diet
3: training methods and intensity
4: they just cant enter beast mode (no hate)
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Somatotypes are a myth.ectomorph?0 -
bone structure is not a myth tho0
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Nope, sorry but that's a FACT otherwise US/UK/Euro and Asian clothes sizes difference wouldn't even exist.
Somatotypes are a myth.ectomorph?0 -
I believe you may be confused.
Nope, sorry but that's a FACT otherwise US/UK/Euro and Asian clothes sizes difference wouldn't even exist.
Somatotypes are a myth.ectomorph?0 -
Somatotypes are a myth.ectomorph?
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They don't eat enough, that's the only reason.
Most newbs just think they need to eat tons of protein but forget about total calorie intake and are actually running at maintenance or a deficit.0 -
The connection your trying to make between somatotypes and the lack of a universal system for clothing sizes doesn't exist
Nope, sorry but that's a FACT otherwise US/UK/Euro and Asian clothes sizes difference wouldn't even exist.
Somatotypes are a myth.ectomorph?0 -
Why is it some guys put on muscle with no issue and others can workout hours a day and still be so thin? Is it what they are eating, genetics or???? What if thin dude is eating well, lots of protein and protein shakes along with working out? Is it because one that is thin needs to stick to weights and not cardio as much?
Muscle will only grow if there is sufficient reason to and means to do so.
Growth is done by stimulus and achieved with progressive overload and stimulus; Lifting heaver weights over time to stimulated growth.
Growth will only occur if there is also at nutrient surplus to achieve this growth - calorie surplus macro nutrients, crabs protein etc.
TLDR:
Muscles need progressive over load to grow fueled by a calorie surplus to fuel the growth.
P.S. There is no such a thing as hard gainer, they either not eating enough or not producing enough stimulus to grow muscle.0 -
P.S. There is no such a thing as hard gainer, they either not eating enough or not producing enough stimulus to grow muscle.
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id still say genetics is the main factor0
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What? What do clothing sizes have to do with a completely made up concept of somatotyping, that was completely invented by a scientist whose entire method consisting of taking nude photos of thousands of people (under false pretenses) and then looking at the photos and inventing stories about them? Somatotypes have been debunked by actual science for DECADES. The entire concept was literally one scientist, who would look at a still photo of you, and make up a somatotype based solely on that one single picture.
Nope, sorry but that's a FACT otherwise US/UK/Euro and Asian clothes sizes difference wouldn't even exist.
Somatotypes are a myth.ectomorph?
Go ahead, take a look at several different photos of yourself from different years. Amazing how you are a mesomorph, endomorph, and ectomorph all at the same time, isn't it? It's pseudoscience.0 -
id still say genetics is the main factor
Genetics contribute roughly 10% to body composition. It's all diet and physical need.0 -
Clothing size differences are based on the person's body structure which what somatotyping is all about. Have you guys ever wonder why there are people who literally have to eat 4,000-5,000 calories a day just to maintain their weight and at the same time people who seems to have a 90/10 compliance but still struggling to lose weight???
What? What do clothing sizes have to do with a completely made up concept of somatotyping, that was completely invented by a scientist whose entire method consisting of taking nude photos of thousands of people (under false pretenses) and then looking at the photos and inventing stories about them? Somatotypes have been debunked by actual science for DECADES. The entire concept was literally one scientist, who would look at a still photo of you, and make up a somatotype based solely on that one single picture.
Nope, sorry but that's a FACT otherwise US/UK/Euro and Asian clothes sizes difference wouldn't even exist.
Somatotypes are a myth.ectomorph?
Go ahead, take a look at several different photos of yourself from different years. Amazing how you are a mesomorph, endomorph, and ectomorph all at the same time, isn't it? It's pseudoscience.
FRANKLY, I WAS A BIT OFFENDED BY THE POSTS. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE STUPID HERE AND COMPARE CLOTHES SIZE TO SOMTOTYPING. IM JUST USING AN EXAMPLE HERE BECAUSE IM IN ASIA AND I CAN SEE THE BODY SIZE DIFFERENCE THAT IS EVIDENT NOT ONLY IN THEIR CLOTHING SIZES (THE SMALLEST THAT I CAN FIT IN IS MEDIUM WHEREAS IM AN XS IN INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS) BUT ALSO IN THE CUT AND FITTING. AND CONSIDERING THAT A LOT OF ASIAN DIETS ARE HIGH IN CALORIES BUT STILL THEY ARE A LOT SMALLER.0 -
Gaining weight/building muscle comes down to 2 things: time/effort in the gym and calories.
When you get into more specific goals, genetics can come into play... but that's not why people "can't build muscle".0 -
I suspect we are not in common agreement about terms being used, and that some are using a very literal interpretation of the phrase "can't build muscle". Not to mention the idea of "body types".
I am not going to argue specific terms (ectomorph, etc) since I have never paid attention to them. However, there are definitely genetically determined body types, patterns of fat distribution, ability to main muscle mass, etc. Which is not to say that someone with a smaller frame CANNOT build muscle, but that there will be inherited differences in the capacity to build muscle that cannot be dismissed by just saying they don't "spend enough time in the gym".0 -
There are no real clothing size standards. Clothing sizes vary by country, material, style, manufacturer, and even seller. As for people needing to eat more, that's been proven time and time again. People that need to eat more to maintain weight are more active. It's that simple. They exercise more, or have more active jobs, and most of them tend to fidget and just move, they have a very high amount of NEAT. People who struggle to lose weight either eat more than they think they do (which has also been shown over and over again by science,) or have a medical issue preventing normal metabolism.
Clothing size differences are based on the person's body structure which what somatotyping is all about. Have you guys ever wonder why there are people who literally have to eat 4,000-5,000 calories a day just to maintain their weight and at the same time people who seems to have a 90/10 compliance but still struggling to lose weight???
What? What do clothing sizes have to do with a completely made up concept of somatotyping, that was completely invented by a scientist whose entire method consisting of taking nude photos of thousands of people (under false pretenses) and then looking at the photos and inventing stories about them? Somatotypes have been debunked by actual science for DECADES. The entire concept was literally one scientist, who would look at a still photo of you, and make up a somatotype based solely on that one single picture.
Nope, sorry but that's a FACT otherwise US/UK/Euro and Asian clothes sizes difference wouldn't even exist.
Somatotypes are a myth.ectomorph?
Go ahead, take a look at several different photos of yourself from different years. Amazing how you are a mesomorph, endomorph, and ectomorph all at the same time, isn't it? It's pseudoscience.
FRANKLY, I WAS A BIT OFFENDED BY THE POSTS. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE STUPID HERE AND COMPARE CLOTHES SIZE TO SOMTOTYPING. IM JUST USING AN EXAMPLE HERE BECAUSE IM IN ASIA AND I CAN SEE THE BODY SIZE DIFFERENCE THAT IS EVIDENT NOT ONLY IN THEIR CLOTHING SIZES (THE SMALLEST THAT I CAN FIT IN IS MEDIUM WHEREAS IM AN XS IN INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS) BUT ALSO IN THE CUT AND FITTING. AND CONSIDERING THAT A LOT OF ASIAN DIETS ARE HIGH IN CALORIES BUT STILL THEY ARE A LOT SMALLER.
Nothing to do with "somatotypes," they are a myth.0 -
While the very oversimplified version might just be to eat a lot & work hard, sometimes it's just not that simple.
Genetics and ones metabolism are going to determine how difficult it is also.0 -
xenomorph?
somatotypes themselves exist. a person's somatotype having a bearing on muscle gain does not. there are many factors. genetics, hormone levels, etc, but the most common culprit is undereating.0 -
Yes....glad you mentioned hormones. I wondered about that. I am the mother of two adult children. (45 and 43) My kids have never been at all overweight. Nor do they work out. It seems though that with the slightest exertion they start showing off wonderful muscle definition. Their dad is very overweight but when he was younger, he too seemed to build muscle effortlessly. When my kids were at home, I ate pretty much what they did and worked out regularly. I have never had a visible muscle in my life. My daughter decided to join me at my aerobics class and after three weeks opted out of certain exercises because she was building lats and didn't like what that did to her shape.0
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I ate 3500-8000 calories per day (depending on if we had a king sized bag of Doritos laying around and some cheesecake) when I was actually building most of my muscles.
Thin guys just don't eat (if they're properly doing strength training) IMO.0 -
I suspect we are not in common agreement about terms being used, and that some are using a very literal interpretation of the phrase "can't build muscle". Not to mention the idea of "body types".
I am not going to argue specific terms (ectomorph, etc) since I have never paid attention to them. However, there are definitely genetically determined body types, patterns of fat distribution, ability to main muscle mass, etc. Which is not to say that someone with a smaller frame CANNOT build muscle, but that there will be inherited differences in the capacity to build muscle that cannot be dismissed by just saying they don't "spend enough time in the gym".
Thank you. Your comment is much appreciated. I am a small-boned, petite woman who has always had a hard time putting on muscle. It's so frustrating to read again and again that people like me just aren't working hard enough. I work plenty hard, probably harder than those folks who are genetically gifted with the capacity to put on muscle easily. I don't begrudge them, but just wish they'd have a little empathy.0 -
I used to think I was an ectomorph/ hard gainer. Turns out, that’s a bunch of crap. Even though I thought I was eating a lot, I wasn’t. Eat more and put more effort into lifting and you’ll gain weight.0
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I used to think I was an ectomorph/ hard gainer. Turns out, that’s a bunch of crap. Even though I thought I was eating a lot, I wasn’t. Eat more and put more effort into lifting and you’ll gain weight.
and i always fed into believing i was an endomorph or genetically challenged. Turns out, I'm genetically awesome and was a lazy fat *kitten* that liked to overeat.0
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