Good Fat vs. Bad Fat

bcattoes

Polyunsaturated fats are not trans fats and are not bad. While saturated fats are not all bad, too much saturated fat as been linked to increased risk of disease. And since someone posted a study from Harvard, I would like to share the recommendation from the Harvard School of Public Health with is based on the pool of information from numerous studies.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-and-cholesterol/index.html

The Bottom Line

Choose foods with healthy fats, limit foods high in saturated fat, and avoid foods with trans fat.

It’s time to end the low-fat myth. That’s because the percentage of calories from fat that you eat, whether high or low, isn't really linked with disease. What really matters is the type of fat you eat.

"Good" fats—monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats—lower disease risk. "Bad" fats—saturated and, especially, trans fats—increase disease risk. Foods high in good fats include vegetable oils (such as olive, canola, sunflower, soy, and corn), nuts, seeds, and fish. Foods high in bad fats include red meat, butter, cheese, and ice cream, as well as processed foods made with trans fat from partially hydrogenated oil. The key to a healthy diet is to choose foods that have more good fats than bad fats—vegetable oils instead of butter, salmon instead of steak—and that don’t contain any trans fat.

“Low-fat,” “reduced fat,” or “fat-free” processed foods are not necessarily “healthy,” nor is it automatically healthier to follow a low-fat diet. One problem with a generic lower-fat diet is that it prompts most people to stop eating fats that are good for the heart along with those that are bad for it. And low-fat diets are often higher in refined carbohydrates and starches from foods like white rice, white bread, potatoes, and sugary drinks. Similarly, when food manufacturers take out fat, they often replace it with carbohydrates from sugar, refined grains, or starch. Our bodies digest these refined carbohydrates and starches very quickly, causing blood sugar and insulin levels to spike and then dip, which in turn leads to hunger, overeating, and weight gain. Over time, eating lots of “fast carbs” can raise the risk of heart disease and diabetes as much as—or more than—eating too much saturated fat.

So when you cut back on foods like red meat and butter, replace them with fish, beans, nuts, and healthy oils—not with white bread, white rice, potatoes, sugary drinks, or other refined carbohydrates.

Although it is still important to limit the amount of cholesterol you eat, especially if you have diabetes, for most people dietary cholesterol isn't nearly the villain it's been portrayed to be. Cholesterol in the bloodstream, specifically the bad LDL cholesterol, is what's most important. And the biggest influence on blood cholesterol level is the mix of fats and carbohydrates in your diet—not the amount of cholesterol you eat from food

neanderthin

Polyunsaturated fats are not trans fats and are not bad. While saturated fats are not all bad, too much saturated fat as been linked to increased risk of disease. And since someone posted a study from Harvard, I would like to share the recommendation from the Harvard School of Public Health with is based on the pool of information from numerous studies.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-and-cholesterol/index.html

The Bottom Line

Choose foods with healthy fats, limit foods high in saturated fat, and avoid foods with trans fat.

It’s time to end the low-fat myth. That’s because the percentage of calories from fat that you eat, whether high or low, isn't really linked with disease. What really matters is the type of fat you eat.

"Good" fats—monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats—lower disease risk. "Bad" fats—saturated and, especially, trans fats—increase disease risk. Foods high in good fats include vegetable oils (such as olive, canola, sunflower, soy, and corn), nuts, seeds, and fish. Foods high in bad fats include red meat, butter, cheese, and ice cream, as well as processed foods made with trans fat from partially hydrogenated oil. The key to a healthy diet is to choose foods that have more good fats than bad fats—vegetable oils instead of butter, salmon instead of steak—and that don’t contain any trans fat.

“Low-fat,” “reduced fat,” or “fat-free” processed foods are not necessarily “healthy,” nor is it automatically healthier to follow a low-fat diet. One problem with a generic lower-fat diet is that it prompts most people to stop eating fats that are good for the heart along with those that are bad for it. And low-fat diets are often higher in refined carbohydrates and starches from foods like white rice, white bread, potatoes, and sugary drinks. Similarly, when food manufacturers take out fat, they often replace it with carbohydrates from sugar, refined grains, or starch. Our bodies digest these refined carbohydrates and starches very quickly, causing blood sugar and insulin levels to spike and then dip, which in turn leads to hunger, overeating, and weight gain. Over time, eating lots of “fast carbs” can raise the risk of heart disease and diabetes as much as—or more than—eating too much saturated fat.

So when you cut back on foods like red meat and butter, replace them with fish, beans, nuts, and healthy oils—not with white bread, white rice, potatoes, sugary drinks, or other refined carbohydrates.

Although it is still important to limit the amount of cholesterol you eat, especially if you have diabetes, for most people dietary cholesterol isn't nearly the villain it's been portrayed to be. Cholesterol in the bloodstream, specifically the bad LDL cholesterol, is what's most important. And the biggest influence on blood cholesterol level is the mix of fats and carbohydrates in your diet—not the amount of cholesterol you eat from food

Who said polyunsaturated fat were transfats? Transfats are derived from polyunsaturated fat and funnily enough for study purposes their classified as "saturated fat" and are always included in studies about saturated fat, no wonder people believe correlations to be fact.....also you may want to do some research on polyunsatured fats found in abundance in the food chain and their effect on systematic inflammation, I'll give you a hint, do some research on omega balance.

magerum

"Myth: All fats are equal—and equally bad for you.

Fact: Saturated fats and trans fats are bad for you because they raise your cholesterol and increase your risk for heart disease. But monounsaturated fats and polyunsaturated fats are good for you, lowering cholesterol and reducing your risk of heart disease."
:]

You don't have to avoid them 100%, but limit the saturated and trans and allow a little more monounsaturated and polyunsaturated in comparison to the other two. I quoted that from this page and it has a lot more information:

http://www.helpguide.org/life/healthy_diet_fats.htm

Myth: Saturated fats are bad for you.

^ This.

Akimajuktuq

"Myth: All fats are equal—and equally bad for you.

Fact: Saturated fats and trans fats are bad for you because they raise your cholesterol and increase your risk for heart disease. But monounsaturated fats and polyunsaturated fats are good for you, lowering cholesterol and reducing your risk of heart disease."
:]

You don't have to avoid them 100%, but limit the saturated and trans and allow a little more monounsaturated and polyunsaturated in comparison to the other two. I quoted that from this page and it has a lot more information:

http://www.helpguide.org/life/healthy_diet_fats.htm

Myth: Saturated fats are bad for you.

THIS THIS THIS.

Please OP, do some research to go with the opinions that you get on your post.

There is a lot of different information out there, much of it conflicting (think about all the factors involved with researching nutritional habits of humans), and even intentionally WRONG information, (even from Harvard). Warning: don't start studying food politics or you'll really be in for a shocker. There are many things at play that determine what we are told to eat and it's not about our "health".

neanderthin

"Myth: All fats are equal—and equally bad for you.

Fact: Saturated fats and trans fats are bad for you because they raise your cholesterol and increase your risk for heart disease. But monounsaturated fats and polyunsaturated fats are good for you, lowering cholesterol and reducing your risk of heart disease."
:]

You don't have to avoid them 100%, but limit the saturated and trans and allow a little more monounsaturated and polyunsaturated in comparison to the other two. I quoted that from this page and it has a lot more information:

http://www.helpguide.org/life/healthy_diet_fats.htm

Myth: Saturated fats are bad for you.

THIS THIS THIS.

Please OP, do some research to go with the opinions that you get on your post.

There is a lot of different information out there, much of it conflicting (think about all the factors involved with researching nutritional habits of humans), and even intentionally WRONG information, (even from Harvard). Warning: don't start studying food politics or you'll really be in for a shocker. There are many things at play that determine what we are told to eat and it's not about our "health".

I agree. That editorial from Harvard above is pretty funny, full of contradiction, misinformation and you would have to say, just outright goofy. I suspect that if you knew nothing about nutrition, it would sound good, but in reality could be dangerous if someone followed that advice verbatim.

marycmeadows

woah. 15g of fat is not nearly enough. Up your intake of healthy fats..... good sources of healthy fats include:
nuts & nut butters
avocado
olive oil/coconut oil

Firefox7275

THIS THIS THIS.

Please OP, do some research to go with the opinions that you get on your post.

There is a lot of different information out there, much of it conflicting (think about all the factors involved with researching nutritional habits of humans), and even intentionally WRONG information, (even from Harvard). Warning: don't start studying food politics or you'll really be in for a shocker. There are many things at play that determine what we are told to eat and it's not about our "health".

There are places outside of America that don't have quite the same issues with lobbying or healthcare being a business venture, and plenty of quality research studies that have no links to any commercial organisations.

bcattoes

Polyunsaturated fats are not trans fats and are not bad. While saturated fats are not all bad, too much saturated fat as been linked to increased risk of disease. And since someone posted a study from Harvard, I would like to share the recommendation from the Harvard School of Public Health with is based on the pool of information from numerous studies.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-and-cholesterol/index.html

The Bottom Line

Choose foods with healthy fats, limit foods high in saturated fat, and avoid foods with trans fat.

It’s time to end the low-fat myth. That’s because the percentage of calories from fat that you eat, whether high or low, isn't really linked with disease. What really matters is the type of fat you eat.

"Good" fats—monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats—lower disease risk. "Bad" fats—saturated and, especially, trans fats—increase disease risk. Foods high in good fats include vegetable oils (such as olive, canola, sunflower, soy, and corn), nuts, seeds, and fish. Foods high in bad fats include red meat, butter, cheese, and ice cream, as well as processed foods made with trans fat from partially hydrogenated oil. The key to a healthy diet is to choose foods that have more good fats than bad fats—vegetable oils instead of butter, salmon instead of steak—and that don’t contain any trans fat.

“Low-fat,” “reduced fat,” or “fat-free” processed foods are not necessarily “healthy,” nor is it automatically healthier to follow a low-fat diet. One problem with a generic lower-fat diet is that it prompts most people to stop eating fats that are good for the heart along with those that are bad for it. And low-fat diets are often higher in refined carbohydrates and starches from foods like white rice, white bread, potatoes, and sugary drinks. Similarly, when food manufacturers take out fat, they often replace it with carbohydrates from sugar, refined grains, or starch. Our bodies digest these refined carbohydrates and starches very quickly, causing blood sugar and insulin levels to spike and then dip, which in turn leads to hunger, overeating, and weight gain. Over time, eating lots of “fast carbs” can raise the risk of heart disease and diabetes as much as—or more than—eating too much saturated fat.

So when you cut back on foods like red meat and butter, replace them with fish, beans, nuts, and healthy oils—not with white bread, white rice, potatoes, sugary drinks, or other refined carbohydrates.

Although it is still important to limit the amount of cholesterol you eat, especially if you have diabetes, for most people dietary cholesterol isn't nearly the villain it's been portrayed to be. Cholesterol in the bloodstream, specifically the bad LDL cholesterol, is what's most important. And the biggest influence on blood cholesterol level is the mix of fats and carbohydrates in your diet—not the amount of cholesterol you eat from food

Who said polyunsaturated fat were transfats? Transfats are derived from polyunsaturated fat and funnily enough for study purposes their classified as "saturated fat" and are always included in studies about saturated fat, no wonder people believe correlations to be fact.....also you may want to do some research on polyunsatured fats found in abundance in the food chain and their effect on systematic inflammation, I'll give you a hint, do some research on omega balance.

Sorry, no one did. I misread your earlier post re: hydrogenated polyunsaturated fats. But it doesn't make my statement or what HSPH has to say wrong. :flowerforyou:

bcattoes

"Myth: All fats are equal—and equally bad for you.

Fact: Saturated fats and trans fats are bad for you because they raise your cholesterol and increase your risk for heart disease. But monounsaturated fats and polyunsaturated fats are good for you, lowering cholesterol and reducing your risk of heart disease."
:]

You don't have to avoid them 100%, but limit the saturated and trans and allow a little more monounsaturated and polyunsaturated in comparison to the other two. I quoted that from this page and it has a lot more information:

http://www.helpguide.org/life/healthy_diet_fats.htm

Myth: Saturated fats are bad for you.

THIS THIS THIS.

Please OP, do some research to go with the opinions that you get on your post.

There is a lot of different information out there, much of it conflicting (think about all the factors involved with researching nutritional habits of humans), and even intentionally WRONG information, (even from Harvard). Warning: don't start studying food politics or you'll really be in for a shocker. There are many things at play that determine what we are told to eat and it's not about our "health".

I agree. That editorial from Harvard above is pretty funny, full of contradiction, misinformation and you would have to say, just outright goofy. I suspect that if you knew nothing about nutrition, it would sound good, but in reality could be dangerous if someone followed that advice verbatim.

Yes, OP, by all means do your own research and come to your own conclusions. I'm sure you have the time, money and education to do more research and come to better conclusions than the good folks at Harvard.

You want good information on nutrition? Listen to the experts. You want to cherry pick research to "prove" a point? Troll PubMed. Good luck to you either way.

wellbert

good fat: natural fats, animal fats

bad fats: vegetable oils, trans fats.

neanderthin

good fat: natural fats, animal fats

bad fats: vegetable oils, trans fats.

Yup.

bcattoes

good fat: natural fats, animal fats

bad fats: vegetable oils, trans fats.

Yup.

Vegetable oil are bad? :huh:

AlabasterVerve

good fat: natural fats, animal fats

bad fats: vegetable oils, trans fats.

Yup.

Yup, yup.

neanderthin

good fat: natural fats, animal fats

bad fats: vegetable oils, trans fats.

Yup.

Vegetable oil are bad? :huh:

Most aren't very good for human consumption, especially the popular ones like corn and soy which is in just about every processed food where fat is found. Both of these fats are loaded with omega 6's which are extremely fragile oils in nature and really should never be exposed to light, oxygen or heat. And guess what, trans fats are generated in small quantites from the refining process, with Canola to be the worst at around 4%. Omega 3's the same principals apply, but for cost reasons omega 3's are never used, probably because fish doesn't grow in fields in Nebraska and are subsidized. Anyway, When you refine an oil, your actually boiling the oil and it turns a nasty shade of dark grey and stinks, so what they do is they first bleach these refined veg oils then they deodorize them. They add color as well to make it more appealing. Secondly, omega balance is extremely important for overall health and if the vast majority of people aren't consuming much fish and eat lots of junk food, then their getting most of their fats from polyunsaturated omega 6 fats. Here's the problem, we as humans should be consuming about 4 % omega's of total calories and if someone is consuming 30% fat you can bet 15% of that fat is from these veg oils.......mother nature isn't stupid, she's not trying to kill us, she's made these natural fats available so we can thrive and procreate without problems. This isn't rocket science, but sometimes you won't find the information on the first page of google, sometimes real hard fought research is required, but from the amount of people that are agreeing with this notion is basically a 360 from even 5 years ago, and then there's people that will always believe mother nature is trying to kill us....those poor natives in the tropics eating all that palm and coconut oil.....we need to save them.....whoops we tried that, didn't we.

bcattoes

good fat: natural fats, animal fats

bad fats: vegetable oils, trans fats.

Yup.

Vegetable oil are bad? :huh:

Most aren't very good for human consumption, especially the popular ones like corn and soy which is in just about every processed food where fat is found. Both of these fats are loaded with omega 6's which are extremely fragile oils in nature and really should never be exposed to light, oxygen or heat. And guess what, trans fats are generated in small quantites from the refining process, with Canola to be the worst at around 4%. Omega 3's the same principals apply, but for cost reasons omega 3's are never used, probably because fish doesn't grow in fields in Nebraska and are subsidized. Anyway, When you refine an oil, your actually boiling the oil and it turns a nasty shade of dark grey and stinks, so what they do is they first bleach these refined veg oils then they deodorize them. They add color as well to make it more appealing. Secondly, omega balance is extremely important for overall health and if the vast majority of people aren't consuming much fish and eat lots of junk food, then their getting most of their fats from polyunsaturated omega 6 fats. Here's the problem, we as humans should be consuming about 4 % omega's of total calories and if someone is consuming 30% fat you can bet 15% of that fat is from these veg oils.......mother nature isn't stupid, she's not trying to kill us, she's made these natural fats available so we can thrive and procreate without problems. This isn't rocket science, but sometimes you won't find the information on the first page of google, sometimes real hard fought research is required, but from the amount of people that are agreeing with this notion is basically a 360 from even 5 years ago, and then there's people that will always believe mother nature is trying to kill us....those poor natives in the tropics eating all that palm and coconut oil.....we need to save them.....whoops we tried that, didn't we.

Saying something is bad because we too much of it is silly because that could be said of anything. So, let's ignore that.

Are you saying palm and coconut oils are not vegetable oils?

Also, why do you suppose nutrition researchers, who spend their lives conducting research on this stuff and looking at all the evidence, say vegetable oils are healthy?

neanderthin

good fat: natural fats, animal fats

bad fats: vegetable oils, trans fats.

Yup.

Vegetable oil are bad? :huh:

Most aren't very good for human consumption, especially the popular ones like corn and soy which is in just about every processed food where fat is found. Both of these fats are loaded with omega 6's which are extremely fragile oils in nature and really should never be exposed to light, oxygen or heat. And guess what, trans fats are generated in small quantites from the refining process, with Canola to be the worst at around 4%. Omega 3's the same principals apply, but for cost reasons omega 3's are never used, probably because fish doesn't grow in fields in Nebraska and are subsidized. Anyway, When you refine an oil, your actually boiling the oil and it turns a nasty shade of dark grey and stinks, so what they do is they first bleach these refined veg oils then they deodorize them. They add color as well to make it more appealing. Secondly, omega balance is extremely important for overall health and if the vast majority of people aren't consuming much fish and eat lots of junk food, then their getting most of their fats from polyunsaturated omega 6 fats. Here's the problem, we as humans should be consuming about 4 % omega's of total calories and if someone is consuming 30% fat you can bet 15% of that fat is from these veg oils.......mother nature isn't stupid, she's not trying to kill us, she's made these natural fats available so we can thrive and procreate without problems. This isn't rocket science, but sometimes you won't find the information on the first page of google, sometimes real hard fought research is required, but from the amount of people that are agreeing with this notion is basically a 360 from even 5 years ago, and then there's people that will always believe mother nature is trying to kill us....those poor natives in the tropics eating all that palm and coconut oil.....we need to save them.....whoops we tried that, didn't we.

Saying something is bad because we too much of it is silly because that could be said of anything. So, let's ignore that.

Are you saying palm and coconut oils are not vegetable oils?

Also, why do you suppose nutrition researchers, who spend their lives conducting research on this stuff and looking at all the evidence, say vegetable oils are healthy?

Coconut and palm was for the saturated fats are bad crowd and they are classified as "natural" which was the first part of the post that I was in agreement with.

As far as research is concern I covered that.......if you believe refined vegetable oil are ok to consume, by all means consume them. For me, not when I can help it, nor would I ever recommend them. Obviously my post didn't make any sense to you.

bcattoes

good fat: natural fats, animal fats

bad fats: vegetable oils, trans fats.

Yup.

Vegetable oil are bad? :huh:

Most aren't very good for human consumption, especially the popular ones like corn and soy which is in just about every processed food where fat is found. Both of these fats are loaded with omega 6's which are extremely fragile oils in nature and really should never be exposed to light, oxygen or heat. And guess what, trans fats are generated in small quantites from the refining process, with Canola to be the worst at around 4%. Omega 3's the same principals apply, but for cost reasons omega 3's are never used, probably because fish doesn't grow in fields in Nebraska and are subsidized. Anyway, When you refine an oil, your actually boiling the oil and it turns a nasty shade of dark grey and stinks, so what they do is they first bleach these refined veg oils then they deodorize them. They add color as well to make it more appealing. Secondly, omega balance is extremely important for overall health and if the vast majority of people aren't consuming much fish and eat lots of junk food, then their getting most of their fats from polyunsaturated omega 6 fats. Here's the problem, we as humans should be consuming about 4 % omega's of total calories and if someone is consuming 30% fat you can bet 15% of that fat is from these veg oils.......mother nature isn't stupid, she's not trying to kill us, she's made these natural fats available so we can thrive and procreate without problems. This isn't rocket science, but sometimes you won't find the information on the first page of google, sometimes real hard fought research is required, but from the amount of people that are agreeing with this notion is basically a 360 from even 5 years ago, and then there's people that will always believe mother nature is trying to kill us....those poor natives in the tropics eating all that palm and coconut oil.....we need to save them.....whoops we tried that, didn't we.

Saying something is bad because we too much of it is silly because that could be said of anything. So, let's ignore that.

Are you saying palm and coconut oils are not vegetable oils?

Also, why do you suppose nutrition researchers, who spend their lives conducting research on this stuff and looking at all the evidence, say vegetable oils are healthy?

Coconut and palm was for the saturated fats are bad crowd and they are classified as "natural" which was the first part of the post that I was in agreement with.

As far as research is concern I covered that.......if you believe refined vegetable oil are ok to consume, by all means consume them. For me, not when I can help it, nor would I ever recommend them. Obviously my post didn't make any sense to you.

Sorry, I still don't see anything about recommendations from researchers, and no not much sense to me. But that's okay.

neanderthin

good fat: natural fats, animal fats

bad fats: vegetable oils, trans fats.

Yup.

Vegetable oil are bad? :huh:

Most aren't very good for human consumption, especially the popular ones like corn and soy which is in just about every processed food where fat is found. Both of these fats are loaded with omega 6's which are extremely fragile oils in nature and really should never be exposed to light, oxygen or heat. And guess what, trans fats are generated in small quantites from the refining process, with Canola to be the worst at around 4%. Omega 3's the same principals apply, but for cost reasons omega 3's are never used, probably because fish doesn't grow in fields in Nebraska and are subsidized. Anyway, When you refine an oil, your actually boiling the oil and it turns a nasty shade of dark grey and stinks, so what they do is they first bleach these refined veg oils then they deodorize them. They add color as well to make it more appealing. Secondly, omega balance is extremely important for overall health and if the vast majority of people aren't consuming much fish and eat lots of junk food, then their getting most of their fats from polyunsaturated omega 6 fats. Here's the problem, we as humans should be consuming about 4 % omega's of total calories and if someone is consuming 30% fat you can bet 15% of that fat is from these veg oils.......mother nature isn't stupid, she's not trying to kill us, she's made these natural fats available so we can thrive and procreate without problems. This isn't rocket science, but sometimes you won't find the information on the first page of google, sometimes real hard fought research is required, but from the amount of people that are agreeing with this notion is basically a 360 from even 5 years ago, and then there's people that will always believe mother nature is trying to kill us....those poor natives in the tropics eating all that palm and coconut oil.....we need to save them.....whoops we tried that, didn't we.

Saying something is bad because we too much of it is silly because that could be said of anything. So, let's ignore that.

Are you saying palm and coconut oils are not vegetable oils?

Also, why do you suppose nutrition researchers, who spend their lives conducting research on this stuff and looking at all the evidence, say vegetable oils are healthy?

Coconut and palm was for the saturated fats are bad crowd and they are classified as "natural" which was the first part of the post that I was in agreement with.

As far as research is concern I covered that.......if you believe refined vegetable oil are ok to consume, by all means consume them. For me, not when I can help it, nor would I ever recommend them. Obviously my post didn't make any sense to you.

Sorry, I still don't see anything about recommendations from researchers, and no not much sense to me. But that's okay.

It's ok that you don't understand, fats are confusing for sure, but I at least thought my comment that trans fats are produced in the refining process of vegetable oils like soy and corn oil might have nudged you off your chair, but alas, no such luck.

bcattoes

good fat: natural fats, animal fats

bad fats: vegetable oils, trans fats.

Yup.

Vegetable oil are bad? :huh:

Most aren't very good for human consumption, especially the popular ones like corn and soy which is in just about every processed food where fat is found. Both of these fats are loaded with omega 6's which are extremely fragile oils in nature and really should never be exposed to light, oxygen or heat. And guess what, trans fats are generated in small quantites from the refining process, with Canola to be the worst at around 4%. Omega 3's the same principals apply, but for cost reasons omega 3's are never used, probably because fish doesn't grow in fields in Nebraska and are subsidized. Anyway, When you refine an oil, your actually boiling the oil and it turns a nasty shade of dark grey and stinks, so what they do is they first bleach these refined veg oils then they deodorize them. They add color as well to make it more appealing. Secondly, omega balance is extremely important for overall health and if the vast majority of people aren't consuming much fish and eat lots of junk food, then their getting most of their fats from polyunsaturated omega 6 fats. Here's the problem, we as humans should be consuming about 4 % omega's of total calories and if someone is consuming 30% fat you can bet 15% of that fat is from these veg oils.......mother nature isn't stupid, she's not trying to kill us, she's made these natural fats available so we can thrive and procreate without problems. This isn't rocket science, but sometimes you won't find the information on the first page of google, sometimes real hard fought research is required, but from the amount of people that are agreeing with this notion is basically a 360 from even 5 years ago, and then there's people that will always believe mother nature is trying to kill us....those poor natives in the tropics eating all that palm and coconut oil.....we need to save them.....whoops we tried that, didn't we.

Saying something is bad because we too much of it is silly because that could be said of anything. So, let's ignore that.

Are you saying palm and coconut oils are not vegetable oils?

Also, why do you suppose nutrition researchers, who spend their lives conducting research on this stuff and looking at all the evidence, say vegetable oils are healthy?

Coconut and palm was for the saturated fats are bad crowd and they are classified as "natural" which was the first part of the post that I was in agreement with.

As far as research is concern I covered that.......if you believe refined vegetable oil are ok to consume, by all means consume them. For me, not when I can help it, nor would I ever recommend them. Obviously my post didn't make any sense to you.

Sorry, I still don't see anything about recommendations from researchers, and no not much sense to me. But that's okay.

It's ok that you don't understand, fats are confusing for sure, but I at least thought my comment that trans fats are produced in the refining process of vegetable oils like soy and corn oil might have nudged you off your chair, but alas, no such luck.

Nudged me off my chair?? Again, makes no sense.

neanderthin

Nudged me off my chair?? Again, makes no sense.

I believe you.