CLEAN Eating!

lyndalpn

You're kind of a ****. You do things your way, I'll do them mine. I come here for support, not to have someone drag me down for no reason.

This.

She is following a mainstream recommended management plan for a medical condition you dont have (and clearly don't understand). I'm a doctor and agree the OP has received very good advice from her doctor. This thread is not about what works for you. Hey, its not even about you!

Back on topic. SaShmy, I have sent you a friend request. My endocrinologist has rcommenbded some excellent books by Professor Brand - Miller at Sydney University which have been very useful for me and I know they have one speciically for PCOS. Ill send you some details.

lyndalpn

This is about adherence for the long term. Ask yourself, "Can i do this for life?" If you can't you're wasting your time. Can you do it through financial road bumps, through family events, through parties, through peer pressure? No.

I agree its a long term lifestyle choice. Maybe she can stick to it. I know I can.

MoreBean13

Wouldn't someone who eats healthy naturally drop weight and improve their health?

Only if their healthy eating is less than their TDEE will they lose weight.

Improving health is much more complicated. Being overfat, all on it's own, carries a ton of risk factors for a long list of diseases, and weight loss alone can make dramatic improvements in the health of someone who is overfat- whether they lost the weight eating 100% KFC or clean eating. But it's unlikely that you can get a full nutritionally balanced diet at KFC, so long term, it's not the best idea. But in terms of disease, weight loss should be the number one priority for most overfat people. "Health" is too complicated to pigeonhole quite so simply.

lyndalpn

You're kind of a ****. You do things your way, I'll do them mine. I come here for support, not to have someone drag me down for no reason.

This.

She is following a mainstream recommended management plan for a medical condition you dont have (and clearly don't understand). I'm a doctor and agree the OP has received very good advice from her doctor. This thread is not about what works for you. Hey, its not even about you!

Back on topic. SaShmy, I have sent you a friend request. My endocrinologist has rcommenbded some excellent books by Professor Brand - Miller at Sydney University which have been very useful for me and I know they have one speciically for PCOS. Ill send you some details.

Thanks for letting know doctors are dieticians. In my post i didn't recommend eating junk food 24/7 or junk food at all. I am saying don't deprive yourself of specific foods, that's my point.

You're right, i may not know about PCOS in detail. I do know this though.

1. If a person is over weight and they lose weight, that will improve their health.
2. I know about diet adherence.
3. I know what it takes to lose body fat.
4. I do know about nutrition.

If you want to throw "titles" around. I lost over 135lbs, I am majoring in biochemisty, and I got my NASM CPT(National Academy Of Sports medicine Certified Personal Trainer Certification).

I was certainly not throwing titles around (lets not play that game honey, as "doctor" is a very much simplified version of my role). All I'm trying to say is that the research evidence for a diet low in simple carbohydrates and processed foods is very strong for PCOS and type 2 diabetes and this causes health benefits regardless of weight loss. Weight loss is an excellent outcome and definitely desirable but in these medical conditions changing the kind of foods people eat DOES lead to benefits whether weight is lost or not. This is not the same for general weight loss, and the OP and I are not talking about general weight loss, we are talking about PCOS.

So I think we actually agree, but we are arguing about different things. What you say is true about calories and weight, but what the OP and I are saying ais also true about PCOS. Depriving yourself of food types is not necessariily sustainable for "normal" peple who need to lose weight., Agreed. But removing specific foods IS important if you have significant medical conditions like PCOS and diabetes and will lead to good results. And with the right motivation it is achievable long term. It is not for everyone, but I think this is a specific situation that does not apply to everyone. I think you are have a point but you are arguing in the wrong thread.

lyndalpn

This is about adherence for the long term. Ask yourself, "Can i do this for life?" If you can't you're wasting your time. Can you do it through financial road bumps, through family events, through parties, through peer pressure? No.

I agree its a long term lifestyle choice. Maybe she can stick to it. I know I can.

I am not telling her, "don't do your plan." I am saying, "be realistic" if she can stick with it for the long term than do it. If she can't, then tweak it. Don't fully deprive yourself, that's how binges happen, and people fall off the wagon.

For example, yesterday I ate egg whites, with tomato sauce, and tortillas. Lunch was fast food, 4 tacos and burger, dinner was some cereal.

Today, i ate cereal, and i just finished eating a salad with olive oil, feel like a candy bar tonight and maybe some chips.

My diet isn't all junk food, and it isn't all clean either. I just eat whatever with out guilt or feeling I didn't stick to "my plan." This is where failure happens. I have a feeling if she can't stick to her plan 100% she might feel guilty, that's what i am trying to prevent. She already fell off the program once.

OK. Thats fair, wish you had said it that way in the first place. Thank you for clarifying.

MissyJessy

i make everything from scratch as much as i can even bread. I follow a lot of the clean eating principles but sometimes its a little to time consuming and difficult in the rediculous canadian winters

ironanimal

This is about adherence for the long term. Ask yourself, "Can i do this for life?" If you can't you're wasting your time. Can you do it through financial road bumps, through family events, through parties, through peer pressure? No.

I agree its a long term lifestyle choice. Maybe she can stick to it. I know I can.

I am not telling her, "don't do your plan." I am saying, "be realistic" if she can stick with it for the long term than do it. If she can't, then tweak it. Don't fully deprive yourself, that's how binges happen, and people fall off the wagon.

For example, yesterday I ate egg whites, with tomato sauce, and tortillas. Lunch was fast food, 4 tacos and burger, dinner was some cereal.

Today, i ate cereal, and i just finished eating a salad with olive oil, feel like a candy bar tonight and maybe some chips.

My diet isn't all junk food, and it isn't all clean either. I just eat whatever with out guilt or feeling I didn't stick to "my plan." This is where failure happens. I have a feeling if she can't stick to her plan 100% she might feel guilty, that's what i am trying to prevent. She already fell off the program once.

OK. Thats fair, wish you had said it that way in the first place. Thank you for clarifying.

Pu was born without the capacity for tact. Once you know him, he's actually very helpful :P

BusyRaeNOTBusty

Who is healthier, someone who eats total junk food and is at a healthy weight, or someone who is severely obese who eats "healthy"?

Over the weekend I had beer, pizza, jalapeno poppers, McDonald's, and cupcakes. This isn't "normal" for me but I do eat "junk" often.

I'm 5'9" and 160lbs. I have a flat stomach and wear a size 8 pants. My blood pressure is border line but after being on medication for high blood pressure (it's genetic) for years, I'm happy with naturally border line. My cholesterol was great last I had it tested. I could probably run a mile in 10 minutes. I can squat 135lbs, bench 105lbs. I can mountain bike for 10 miles plus (in Colorado), snowboard all day, carry 70lbs worth of kids when I need.

Yes, you can eat "junk" and be healthy.

lyndalpn

Pu was born without the capacity for tact. Once you know him, he's actually very helpful :P

hahha OK I'll keep that in mind